P*****t
发帖数: 4978 | 1 TG其实也不傻
Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'
China has signalled its readiness to accept Korean reunification and is
privately distancing itself from the North Korean regime, according to
leaked US embassy cables that reveal senior Beijing figures regard their
official ally as a "spoiled child".
News of the Chinese shift comes at a crucial juncture after the North's
artillery bombardment of a South Korean island last week that killed four
people and led both sides to threaten war. China has refused to condemn the
North Korean action. But today Beijing appeared to bow to US pressure to
help bring about a diplomatic solution, calling for "emergency consultations
" and inviting a senior North Korean official to Beijing.
China is sharply critical of US pressure tactics towards North Korea and
wants a resumption of the six-party nuclear disarmament talks. But the
Guardian can reveal Beijing's frustration with Pyongyang has grown since its
missile and nuclear tests last year, worries about the economic impact of
regional instability, and fears that the death of the dictator, Kim Jong-il,
could spark a succession struggle.
China's moves to distance itself from Kim are revealed in the latest tranche
of leaked US embassy cables published by the Guardian and four
international newspapers. Tonight, the US secretary of state, Hillary
Clinton, said the US "deeply regrets" the release of the material by
WikiLeaks. They were an "attack on the international community", she said. "
It puts people's lives in danger, threatens our national security and
undermines efforts to work with other countries to solve shared problems,"
she told reporters at the state department.
The leaked North Korea dispatches detail how:
• South Korea's vice-foreign minister said he was told by two named
senior Chinese officials that they believed Korea should be reunified under
Seoul's control, and that this view was gaining ground with the leadership
in Beijing.
• China's vice-foreign minister told US officials that Pyongyang was
behaving like a "spoiled child" to get Washington's attention in April 2009
by carrying out missile tests.
• A Chinese ambassador warned that North Korean nuclear activity was "
a threat to the whole world's security".
• Chinese officials assessed that it could cope with an influx of 300,
000 North Koreans in the event of serious instability, according to a
representative of an international agency, but might need to use the
military to seal the border.
In highly sensitive discussions in February this year, the-then South Korean
vice-foreign minister, Chun Yung-woo, told a US ambassador, Kathleen
Stephens, that younger generation Chinese Communist party leaders no longer
regarded North Korea as a useful or reliable ally and would not risk renewed
armed conflict on the peninsula, according to a secret cable to Washington.
Chun, who has since been appointed national security adviser to South Korea'
s president, said North Korea had already collapsed economically.
Political collapse would ensue once Kim Jong-il died, despite the dictator's
efforts to obtain Chinese help and to secure the succession for his son,
Kim Jong-un.
"Citing private conversations during previous sessions of the six-party
talks , Chun claimed [the two high-level officials] believed Korea should be
unified under ROK [South Korea] control," Stephens reported.
"The two officials, Chun said, were ready to 'face the new reality' that the
DPRK [North Korea] now had little value to China as a buffer state – a
view that, since North Korea's first nuclear test in 2006, had reportedly
gained traction among senior PRC [People's Republic of China] leaders. Chun
argued that in the event of a North Korean collapse, China would clearly '
not welcome' any US military presence north of the DMZ [demilitarised zone].
Again citing his conversations with [the officials], Chun said the PRC
would be comfortable with a reunified Korea controlled by Seoul and anchored
to the US in a 'benign alliance' – as long as Korea was not hostile
towards China. Tremendous trade and labour-export opportunities for Chinese
companies, Chun said, would also help 'salve' PRC concerns about … a
reunified Korea.
"Chun dismissed the prospect of a possible PRC military intervention in the
event of a DPRK collapse, noting that China's strategic economic interests
now lie with the United States, Japan and South Korea – not North Korea."
Chun told Stephens China was unable to persuade Pyongyang to change its self
-defeating policies – Beijing had "much less influence than most people
believe" – and lacked the will to enforce its views.
A senior Chinese official, speaking off the record, also said China's
influence with the North was frequently overestimated. But Chinese public
opinion was increasingly critical of the North's behaviour, the official
said, and that was reflected in changed government thinking.
Previously hidden tensions between Pyongyang and its only ally were also
exposed by China's then vice-foreign minister in a meeting in April 2009
with a US embassy official after North Korea blasted a three-stage rocket
over Japan into the Pacific. Pyongyang said its purpose was to send a
satellite into orbit but the US, South Korea and Japan saw the launch as a
test of long-range missile technology.
Discussing how to tackle the issue with the charge d'affaires at the Beijing
embassy, He Yafei observed that "North Korea wanted to engage directly with
the United States and was therefore acting like a 'spoiled child' in order
to get the attention of the 'adult'. China encouraged the United States, '
after some time', to start to re-engage the DPRK," according to the
diplomatic cable sent to Washington.
A second dispatch from September last year described He downplaying the
Chinese premier's trip to Pyongyang, telling the US deputy secretary of
state, James Steinberg: "We may not like them ... [but] they [the DPRK] are
a neighbour."
He said the premier, Wen Jiabao, would push for denuclearisation and a
return to the six-party talks. The official also complained that North Korea
"often tried to play China off [against] the United States, refusing to
convey information about US-DPRK bilateral conversations".
Further evidence of China's increasing dismay with Pyongyang comes in a
cable in June 2009 from the US ambassador to Kazakhstan, Richard Hoagland.
He reported that his Chinese counterpart, Cheng Guoping. was "genuinely
concerned by North Korea's recent nuclear missile tests. 'We need to solve
this problem. It is very troublesome,' he said, calling Korea's nuclear
activity a 'threat to the whole world's security'."
Cheng said Beijing "hopes for peaceful reunification in the long term, but
he expects the two countries to remain separate in the short term", Hoagland
reported. China's objectives were "to ensure they [North Korean leaders]
honour their commitments on non-proliferation, maintain stability, and 'don'
t drive [Kim Jong-il] mad'."
While some Chinese officials are reported to have dismissed suggestions that
North Korea would implode after Kim's death, another cable offers evidence
that Beijing has considered the risk of instability.
It quoted a representative from an international agency saying Chinese
officials believed they could absorb 300,000 North Koreans without outside
help. If they arrived "all at once" it might use the military to seal the
border, create a holding area and meet humanitarian needs. It might also ask
other countries for help.
The context of the discussions was not made explicit, although an influx of
that scale would only be likely in the event of regime failure. The
representative said he was not aware of any contingency planning to deal
with large numbers of refugees.
A Seoul embassy cable from January 2009 said China's leader, Hu Jintao,
deliberately ducked the issue when the South Korean president, Lee Myung-bak
, raised it at a summit.
"We understand Lee asked Hu what China thought about the North Korean
domestic political situation and whether Beijing had any contingency plans.
This time, Hu apparently pretended not to hear Lee," it said. The cable does
not indicate the source of the reports, although elsewhere it talks about
contacts at the presidential "blue house" in South Korea. | x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | | c*****i
发帖数: 11737 | 3 江猪时期的确想这么干过，可胡瘟上台后及时地纠正了这一错误
the
【在 P*****t 的大作中提到】
: TG其实也不傻
: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'
: China has signalled its readiness to accept Korean reunification and is
: privately distancing itself from the North Korean regime, according to
: leaked US embassy cables that reveal senior Beijing figures regard their
: official ally as a "spoiled child".
: News of the Chinese shift comes at a crucial juncture after the North's
: artillery bombardment of a South Korean island last week that killed four
: people and led both sides to threaten war. China has refused to condemn the
: North Korean action. But today Beijing appeared to bow to US pressure to
| y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 4 胡core的balls估计在大都会博物馆陈列室地下三层用福尔马林泡着呢
the
【在 P*****t 的大作中提到】
: TG其实也不傻
: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'
: China has signalled its readiness to accept Korean reunification and is
: privately distancing itself from the North Korean regime, according to
: leaked US embassy cables that reveal senior Beijing figures regard their
: official ally as a "spoiled child".
: News of the Chinese shift comes at a crucial juncture after the North's
: artillery bombardment of a South Korean island last week that killed four
: people and led both sides to threaten war. China has refused to condemn the
: North Korean action. But today Beijing appeared to bow to US pressure to
| x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 5 发信人: xiaobailong (muyou), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 维基解密公开的最令人震惊的美国政府7大秘密
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Nov 29 17:47:35 2010, 美东)
越来越觉得美国政府故意放这些文件出来的了。沙特当初是被美国吓的，以为伊朗会对
他如何如何呢。其实单是教派冲突哪里会这么你死我活啊。
而且当初沙特督促美国轰炸伊朗的核设施，是公开的新闻，根本不是秘闻。现在随着时
局的发展，情况不一样了，沙特不再要求美国轰炸伊朗了。
美国现在放这个文档出来，明显就是挑拨离间呢。 | x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 6 有没有关于加拿大墨西哥澳大利亚政府的文档？日本英国的呢？
如果这些都没有，更说明美国政府是有选择地故意放这些文档出来了。
而且从美国政府最初说文件泄露到现在，已经过了这么久了，美国政府居然还没查出来这些文件到底是通过什么途径由谁泄露的。这最初的泄露人肯定是美国政府内部的人啊，这都查不出来，那FBI真是吃素的啊。 | M*****8
发帖数: 17722 | 7
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http://j.mp/gsWFNU
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 发信人: xiaobailong (muyou), 信区: Military
: 标 题: Re: 维基解密公开的最令人震惊的美国政府7大秘密
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Nov 29 17:47:35 2010, 美东)
: 越来越觉得美国政府故意放这些文件出来的了。沙特当初是被美国吓的，以为伊朗会对
: 他如何如何呢。其实单是教派冲突哪里会这么你死我活啊。
: 而且当初沙特督促美国轰炸伊朗的核设施，是公开的新闻，根本不是秘闻。现在随着时
: 局的发展，情况不一样了，沙特不再要求美国轰炸伊朗了。
: 美国现在放这个文档出来，明显就是挑拨离间呢。
| P*****t
发帖数: 4978 | 8 这几个报纸挑的都是对本国伤害不是很大的，或者解读的时候选择对自己有利的，真想
找料还得靠自己去翻原件，关键谁也没那时间不是。
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 挑拨离间啊。
| P*****t
发帖数: 4978 | 9 据说有400多条关于日本的，但是nyt跟guardian贴出来的只有一条和日本相关的。不知
道是有所隐瞒，还是无关紧要。
另外，泄露途径没错的话，应该就是美国被抓的那个情报兵一块泻出来的。
来这些文件到底是通过什么途径由谁泄露的。这最初的泄露人肯定是美国政府内部的人
啊，这都查不出来，那FBI真是吃素的啊。
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 有没有关于加拿大墨西哥澳大利亚政府的文档？日本英国的呢？
: 如果这些都没有，更说明美国政府是有选择地故意放这些文档出来了。
: 而且从美国政府最初说文件泄露到现在，已经过了这么久了，美国政府居然还没查出来这些文件到底是通过什么途径由谁泄露的。这最初的泄露人肯定是美国政府内部的人啊，这都查不出来，那FBI真是吃素的啊。
| P*****t
发帖数: 4978 | | x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 11 不是。那个是在阿富汗战场的，他不会有这些情报资料。他泄露的资料已经分三次也都
放出来过了。
这次是另外一个渠道泄密的。
【在 P*****t 的大作中提到】
: 据说有400多条关于日本的，但是nyt跟guardian贴出来的只有一条和日本相关的。不知
: 道是有所隐瞒，还是无关紧要。
: 另外，泄露途径没错的话，应该就是美国被抓的那个情报兵一块泻出来的。
:
: 来这些文件到底是通过什么途径由谁泄露的。这最初的泄露人肯定是美国政府内部的人
: 啊，这都查不出来，那FBI真是吃素的啊。
| x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 12 原来是wikileaks还没把关于日本的部分放出来。网站的说法：
The embassy cables will be released in stages over the next few months. The
subject matter of these cables is of such importance, and the geographical
spread so broad, that to do otherwise would not do this material justice.
【在 P*****t 的大作中提到】
: 据说有400多条关于日本的，但是nyt跟guardian贴出来的只有一条和日本相关的。不知
: 道是有所隐瞒，还是无关紧要。
: 另外，泄露途径没错的话，应该就是美国被抓的那个情报兵一块泻出来的。
:
: 来这些文件到底是通过什么途径由谁泄露的。这最初的泄露人肯定是美国政府内部的人
: 啊，这都查不出来，那FBI真是吃素的啊。
| P*****t
发帖数: 4978 | 13 看这个：
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/how-us-embassy-cables-leaked
当然了，真相如何咱就不得而知了。
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 不是。那个是在阿富汗战场的，他不会有这些情报资料。他泄露的资料已经分三次也都
: 放出来过了。
: 这次是另外一个渠道泄密的。
| x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 14 这些人真的打算把所有文件贴出来吗？美国政府真的无力阻止这件事？或者他们不打算
阻止这些文件泄露？或者这些文件已经被美国政府筛选过了，真正重磅炸弹的都被藏起
来了，不准放。
【在 P*****t 的大作中提到】
: 看这个：
: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/how-us-embassy-cables-leaked
: 当然了，真相如何咱就不得而知了。
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