g*********r
发帖数: 9366 | 1 看看本版几个资深舔共小将的表演，简直是万圣节提前到来啊
晓波刘如果得奖，是有非常积极地意义的
他得奖和达赖得奖不同
达赖试图推行的是民族分裂民族隔离，神权统治， 这和人类社会的发展趋势是背道而
驰的。而且我本人不清楚达赖的国籍到底算哪里？ 他不承认西藏从属中国， 而又常年居住印度，到底他自己认可不认可他是中国公民？
不可否认和平奖的评选中政治因素是有影响的，但是小将军们可能永远也不会明白和平
奖绝不是仅仅被政治因素主导的
晓波刘是汉族自由派知识分子，他得奖，是对他推行和平社会改良， 提倡宪政公民社
会， 提倡民主的一种褒奖
这些主张本身是没有所谓阴谋阳谋在里面的。
晓波刘的得奖将是诺贝尔和平奖真正意义上的忠实于其宗旨
小将军们就别表演了，你们的表演不仅无法达到挪威委员会， 连我共都不带搭理你们的
我共现在正在起草应对文书，研究如何在记者招待会上发言呢 | n******0
发帖数: 487 | 2 this prize is a joke, you do not know? | m**********n
发帖数: 27535 | 3 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/world/asia/07china.html?_r=1&hp
Unusual Opposition to a Favorite for Nobel
By ANDREW JACOBS and JONATHAN ANSFIELD
Published: October 6, 2010
BEIJING — With just a day until the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded, the usual
whirl of speculation over the winner is in full force, with many human
rights advocates contending that an imprisoned Chinese dissident, Liu Xiaobo
, has emerged as the favorite.
If selected, Mr. Liu, a former literature professor who has spent the last
20 years cycling in and out of Chinese jails for championing democratic
reform, would be the first Chinese citizen to win the prize. The prospect
has clearly alarmed Beijing, so much so that the Nobel Institute’s director
said last week that a senior Chinese official had warned him such a
decision would “pull the wrong strings in relations between Norway and
China.”
But the idea of selecting Mr. Liu has also stirred objections from a
somewhat more surprising contingent: a group of fellow activists.
In recent days, a group of 14 overseas Chinese dissidents, many of them hard
-boiled exiles dedicated to overthrowing the Communist Party, have been
calling on the Nobel committee to deny the prize to Mr. Liu, whom they say
would make an “unsuitable” laureate.
In a letter, the signatories accused Mr. Liu, below, of maligning fellow
activists, abandoning persecuted members of the Falun Gong spiritual
movement and going soft on China’s leaders.
“His open praise in the last 20 years for the Chinese Communist Party,
which has never stopped trampling on human rights, has been extremely
misleading and influential,” they wrote.
The letter and calls from other detractors have infuriated many rights
advocates, inside and outside of China, who say the attack distorts Mr. Liu
’s record as a longtime proponent of peaceful change.
Supporters, among them Vaclav Havel, the former Czech president and
dissident, say that Mr. Liu has been a pragmatic advocate since 1989, when
he helped persuade the students occupying Tiananmen Square to leave just as
army tanks were preparing to move in.
More recently, Mr. Liu was given an 11-year prison sentence last Christmas
for his role in shaping a manifesto, known as Charter ’08, that called for
popular elections and an end to the Communist Party’s unchallenged grip on
power.
“Liu Xiaobo has always worked to advance the peaceful democratic
transformation of Chinese society, and to avoid the violence, rebellion and
bloodshed of the past,” said Zhang Zuhua, a former high-ranking official in
the Communist Party Youth League and a chief force behind Charter ’08.
Cui Weiping, a social critic and professor at the Beijing Film Academy,
called some of Mr. Liu’s more radical opponents “highly irresponsible.”
“Just the fact that he was sentenced to 11 years in prison is enough to
answer those who question how critical he is of the government,” said Ms.
Cui, one of 10,000 Chinese who signed Charter ’08 before government censors
effectively pulled it from the Internet.
Whatever the merits of the anti-Liu Xiaobo camp, their very public
sentiments provide a window into the state of the overseas Chinese
dissidents, a fractured group beset by squabbling and competing claims of
anti-authoritarian righteousness.
Many of its prominent members fled to the United States and Europe after the
failed democracy campaign of 1989 and have tried, with limited success, to
build a broad-based movement against the Chinese government.
Even if they have differences over strategy, many intellectuals and
activists inside China describe Mr. Liu as a dynamic thinker who appealed
both to members of the party and many of its die-hard opponents.
Bao Pu, a Chinese book publisher whose father spent seven years in prison
for supporting negotiations with protesters as a top associate to the
Communist Party chief, Zhao Ziyang, said the lack of unity among dissidents
living outside China was dispiriting.
“All exile movements are fractured, but the community has reduced
themselves into oblivion,” said Mr. Bao, who lives in Hong Kong. “We have
a long way to go.”
Mr. Liu’s critics are unbowed by suggestions that their campaign against
him may play into the Chinese government’s efforts to discredit his
qualifications as a Nobel laureate.
Yi Xu, a linguistics professor in London who translated the anti-Liu letter
into English, said he had no reservations about the effort to deny Mr. Liu
the award.
“I don’t believe the Nobel Prize is so important that once we have one,
China will be entirely changed,” Mr. Yi said. “Look, the Dalai Lama won
and China didn’t change.” | g*********r
发帖数: 9366 | 4 我承认有joke的成分， 文学奖和和平奖都不如其他几个更有说服力
但是其在国际上的影响还是很大的
【在 n******0 的大作中提到】
: this prize is a joke, you do not know?
| g*********r
发帖数: 9366 | 5 这很正常
你如果看外国那些比较复杂情况下的谈判等等就知道，
总是有些人是两面不讨好的
一面骂他叛徒， 另一面骂他软弱
这些都是常态
usual
Xiaobo
【在 m**********n 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/world/asia/07china.html?_r=1&hp
: Unusual Opposition to a Favorite for Nobel
: By ANDREW JACOBS and JONATHAN ANSFIELD
: Published: October 6, 2010
: BEIJING — With just a day until the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded, the usual
: whirl of speculation over the winner is in full force, with many human
: rights advocates contending that an imprisoned Chinese dissident, Liu Xiaobo
: , has emerged as the favorite.
: If selected, Mr. Liu, a former literature professor who has spent the last
: 20 years cycling in and out of Chinese jails for championing democratic
| s******r
发帖数: 471 | 6 lol.. who the fk cares it, since it is a joke. oh right, you the fk care. | y*******o
发帖数: 6632 | 7 I am not xiaojiang,
I like democracy and republic and believe china will be on that side
eventually.
I will not be pissed off by liu getting the nobel, because that exactly
means how anti-china the western is. When did ever liu contribute to the
peace of the world? The Nobel is honored for his theory that China should be
a colony for three hundred years. That is the real wish of the western and
some chinese betrayers.
It is really good that the nobel for liu. Let all chinese know that the
nobel is just honored for colonizing china for three hundred years, fucking
chinese women, killing chinese men, and even possible erasing chinese as a
whole as erasing indian in North America.
年居住印度，到底他自己认可不认可他是中国公民？
【在 g*********r 的大作中提到】
: 看看本版几个资深舔共小将的表演，简直是万圣节提前到来啊
: 晓波刘如果得奖，是有非常积极地意义的
: 他得奖和达赖得奖不同
: 达赖试图推行的是民族分裂民族隔离，神权统治， 这和人类社会的发展趋势是背道而
: 驰的。而且我本人不清楚达赖的国籍到底算哪里？ 他不承认西藏从属中国， 而又常年居住印度，到底他自己认可不认可他是中国公民？
: 不可否认和平奖的评选中政治因素是有影响的，但是小将军们可能永远也不会明白和平
: 奖绝不是仅仅被政治因素主导的
: 晓波刘是汉族自由派知识分子，他得奖，是对他推行和平社会改良， 提倡宪政公民社
: 会， 提倡民主的一种褒奖
: 这些主张本身是没有所谓阴谋阳谋在里面的。
| h*****9
发帖数: 6643 | 8 这有啥奇怪的？ 如果二战盟国失败，德日意会操纵诺贝尔，那汪精卫等也会得诺贝尔
的。
年居住印度，到底他自己认可不认可他是中国公民？
【在 g*********r 的大作中提到】
: 看看本版几个资深舔共小将的表演，简直是万圣节提前到来啊
: 晓波刘如果得奖，是有非常积极地意义的
: 他得奖和达赖得奖不同
: 达赖试图推行的是民族分裂民族隔离，神权统治， 这和人类社会的发展趋势是背道而
: 驰的。而且我本人不清楚达赖的国籍到底算哪里？ 他不承认西藏从属中国， 而又常年居住印度，到底他自己认可不认可他是中国公民？
: 不可否认和平奖的评选中政治因素是有影响的，但是小将军们可能永远也不会明白和平
: 奖绝不是仅仅被政治因素主导的
: 晓波刘是汉族自由派知识分子，他得奖，是对他推行和平社会改良， 提倡宪政公民社
: 会， 提倡民主的一种褒奖
: 这些主张本身是没有所谓阴谋阳谋在里面的。
| c*****i
发帖数: 11737 | 9 RE
be
and
fucking
【在 y*******o 的大作中提到】
: I am not xiaojiang,
: I like democracy and republic and believe china will be on that side
: eventually.
: I will not be pissed off by liu getting the nobel, because that exactly
: means how anti-china the western is. When did ever liu contribute to the
: peace of the world? The Nobel is honored for his theory that China should be
: a colony for three hundred years. That is the real wish of the western and
: some chinese betrayers.
: It is really good that the nobel for liu. Let all chinese know that the
: nobel is just honored for colonizing china for three hundred years, fucking
| w****s
发帖数: 4430 | 10 得了好。
看看和平奖是什么一个JOKE。刘晓波和世界和平什么关系，太搞笑了。
年居住印度，到
底他自己认可不认可他是中国公民？
【在 g*********r 的大作中提到】
: 看看本版几个资深舔共小将的表演，简直是万圣节提前到来啊
: 晓波刘如果得奖，是有非常积极地意义的
: 他得奖和达赖得奖不同
: 达赖试图推行的是民族分裂民族隔离，神权统治， 这和人类社会的发展趋势是背道而
: 驰的。而且我本人不清楚达赖的国籍到底算哪里？ 他不承认西藏从属中国， 而又常年居住印度，到底他自己认可不认可他是中国公民？
: 不可否认和平奖的评选中政治因素是有影响的，但是小将军们可能永远也不会明白和平
: 奖绝不是仅仅被政治因素主导的
: 晓波刘是汉族自由派知识分子，他得奖，是对他推行和平社会改良， 提倡宪政公民社
: 会， 提倡民主的一种褒奖
: 这些主张本身是没有所谓阴谋阳谋在里面的。
| h***l
发帖数: 3048 | 11 和平奖不会发给罪犯，
诺奖基金会明白着呢。
年居住印度，到底他自己认可不认可他是中国公民？
【在 g*********r 的大作中提到】
: 看看本版几个资深舔共小将的表演，简直是万圣节提前到来啊
: 晓波刘如果得奖，是有非常积极地意义的
: 他得奖和达赖得奖不同
: 达赖试图推行的是民族分裂民族隔离，神权统治， 这和人类社会的发展趋势是背道而
: 驰的。而且我本人不清楚达赖的国籍到底算哪里？ 他不承认西藏从属中国， 而又常年居住印度，到底他自己认可不认可他是中国公民？
: 不可否认和平奖的评选中政治因素是有影响的，但是小将军们可能永远也不会明白和平
: 奖绝不是仅仅被政治因素主导的
: 晓波刘是汉族自由派知识分子，他得奖，是对他推行和平社会改良， 提倡宪政公民社
: 会， 提倡民主的一种褒奖
: 这些主张本身是没有所谓阴谋阳谋在里面的。
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