yf
发帖数: 272 | 1 今天我们系里讨论了fellow candidates的排名。我们几个attending一共面试了20个候
选人，我们有两个位子。今天rank了15个人。5个人被排除，因为这些原因：1. 态度太
傲或者冷漠。2.USMLE成绩太差，或者有attempts. 3.没有科研热情。4.有一个人面试
时说他一定要做private practice.他是我们本院的住院医师但是表现不好。
15个在rank list 上的人里面有两个中国裔的老挝人和缅甸人都排在很后。原因是：1
。太quiet.2.没有表达热情。3.科研不够强。
排在最靠前的有以下几个特点： 1. 性格热情，谦卑，柔和，让人感觉舒服。2. 科研
好。文章多3. USMLE成绩好。4.有tie.就是有充分的理由会留在或者要来这个地区。5.
有绿卡。我们排了两个需要H1B的，但其实我们只能要一个需要H1B. 6.有几个是跟我
们做过科研的，知根知底。
感想是：1. 要热情。 2。 要谦卑。3.要有connection. 4.高分。 5. 科研 6. 不要说
自己要去private practice.
下周我们要面试residency candidates.总原则也一样。 |
c*****t
发帖数: 625 | 2 thanks very much for sharing.
I have a question that may be common to Chinese. You said you would pick
someone who is passionate, and humble. My personal feeling is that most
Chinese is already humble enough, if we go over the board, people may think
we are not confident.
Would you like to share some comments about how you think? |
yf
发帖数: 272 | 3 Humble does not mean not confident. It's hard to describe. You may get the
feeling when you interview people. I made the same mistake before but now I
know what is humble and meek, what is inconfident.
Actually most Indians are very good. They are delightful and humble.
American graduates are usually too confident. Chinese are too quiet. And
they have trouble finding topics to continue the talk. |
p********t
发帖数: 411 | |
m******n
发帖数: 233 | 5 说的很有道理啊
1
5.
【在 yf 的大作中提到】
: 今天我们系里讨论了fellow candidates的排名。我们几个attending一共面试了20个候
: 选人，我们有两个位子。今天rank了15个人。5个人被排除，因为这些原因：1. 态度太
: 傲或者冷漠。2.USMLE成绩太差，或者有attempts. 3.没有科研热情。4.有一个人面试
: 时说他一定要做private practice.他是我们本院的住院医师但是表现不好。
: 15个在rank list 上的人里面有两个中国裔的老挝人和缅甸人都排在很后。原因是：1
: 。太quiet.2.没有表达热情。3.科研不够强。
: 排在最靠前的有以下几个特点： 1. 性格热情，谦卑，柔和，让人感觉舒服。2. 科研
: 好。文章多3. USMLE成绩好。4.有tie.就是有充分的理由会留在或者要来这个地区。5.
: 有绿卡。我们排了两个需要H1B的，但其实我们只能要一个需要H1B. 6.有几个是跟我
: 们做过科研的，知根知底。
|
V*****G
发帖数: 337 | 6 well said.to the key points.
1
5.
【在 yf 的大作中提到】
: 今天我们系里讨论了fellow candidates的排名。我们几个attending一共面试了20个候
: 选人，我们有两个位子。今天rank了15个人。5个人被排除，因为这些原因：1. 态度太
: 傲或者冷漠。2.USMLE成绩太差，或者有attempts. 3.没有科研热情。4.有一个人面试
: 时说他一定要做private practice.他是我们本院的住院医师但是表现不好。
: 15个在rank list 上的人里面有两个中国裔的老挝人和缅甸人都排在很后。原因是：1
: 。太quiet.2.没有表达热情。3.科研不够强。
: 排在最靠前的有以下几个特点： 1. 性格热情，谦卑，柔和，让人感觉舒服。2. 科研
: 好。文章多3. USMLE成绩好。4.有tie.就是有充分的理由会留在或者要来这个地区。5.
: 有绿卡。我们排了两个需要H1B的，但其实我们只能要一个需要H1B. 6.有几个是跟我
: 们做过科研的，知根知底。
|
V*****G
发帖数: 337 | 7 The way you talk and how you answer the question, the tone, the posture,body
language will show people if you are humble or not.And you really need to
be humble inside.
For example, if you always say I....., I......., I......, I......, people
will think you are not humble, and too proud of yourself. Most people will
not like candidates who think they are important themselves.
For the achievement, you can start with: it is very fortunate to be able to
work on .... with Dr. abc. We found that... , and we published... and filed
a patent...... I learned a lot.
Carry a pleasant conversation is very important. Learn how to talk to people
. For people who have been studying crazy, not talking a lot, this can be
quite a challenge.
think
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: thanks very much for sharing.
: I have a question that may be common to Chinese. You said you would pick
: someone who is passionate, and humble. My personal feeling is that most
: Chinese is already humble enough, if we go over the board, people may think
: we are not confident.
: Would you like to share some comments about how you think?
|
s*******w
发帖数: 1879 | 8 yf姐说的research是哪种research啊，是做residency期间做的clincial research么 |
b*****u
发帖数: 289 | 9 thank you for sharing. I have some questions.
1. Some people were screened out because of being quiet or being too
aggressive, I wonder why they were recruited as residents and finished 3
years of residency training? Does it mean residency screening have different
criteria?
2. USMLE score is considered during fellowship screening, I wonder why low
score candidates still could be recruited during residency screening, and
looks like the tests and evaluations during residency don't count when you
apply for fellowship.
3.For research, during residency, residents can do some case report, I don't
think they can do complicated clinical trail research or basic research if
they are not in physician-scientist track. |
yf
发帖数: 272 | 10 Very good.
body
to
filed
【在 V*****G 的大作中提到】
: The way you talk and how you answer the question, the tone, the posture,body
: language will show people if you are humble or not.And you really need to
: be humble inside.
: For example, if you always say I....., I......., I......, I......, people
: will think you are not humble, and too proud of yourself. Most people will
: not like candidates who think they are important themselves.
: For the achievement, you can start with: it is very fortunate to be able to
: work on .... with Dr. abc. We found that... , and we published... and filed
: a patent...... I learned a lot.
: Carry a pleasant conversation is very important. Learn how to talk to people
|
|
|
yf
发帖数: 272 | 11 Clinical research or basic research. Some people had PhD degree or did
postdoc so they have tons of publications. Some people had a lot of clinical
case reports or retrospective studies, or reviews during residency. Some
people don't have a lot of papers, but somehow they showed their interest in
hem/onc.
【在 s*******w 的大作中提到】
: yf姐说的research是哪种research啊，是做residency期间做的clincial research么
|
yf
发帖数: 272 | 12 1. Some people were screened out because of being quiet or being too
aggressive, I wonder why they were recruited as residents and finished 3
years of residency training? Does it mean residency screening have different
criteria?
Answer: I don't know. I am going to interview residency candidates next week
. i will see.
2. USMLE score is considered during fellowship screening, I wonder why low
score candidates still could be recruited during residency screening, and
looks like the tests and evaluations during residency don't count when you
apply for fellowship.
Answer: The ones who have low scores all have connections. Some did research
with our attendings, some have relatives who are directors or chairmans in
our institution. The tests during the residency don't count. The
recommendation letters count.
3.For research, during residency, residents can do some case report, I don't
think they can do complicated clinical trail research or basic research if
they are not in physician-scientist track.
Answer: I actually saw quite a lot of people did a bunch of retrospective
studies, or case reports, or some even wrote protocol and completed some
small studies such as outcome research and quality control studies. As I
said before, some candidates had done postdoc work and had PhD degree, so
they have a lot of basic research publications. Clinical trials are possible
too. People write papers when the trials are completed. They can be first
or second authors but the PI be the last author. Don't forget, not everybody
are fresh graduates. We have a few hospitalists, and a few assistant
professors who applied to fellowship programs. I don't understand why the
assistant professors are interested in doing fellowship. But they are really
good. They are mature, humble, extremely smart, very friendly.
Regarding the rank list, we did not put the best ones first because we know
that they will not rank us first. We put those who we like very much but may
or may not match somewhere-else on the top. We put those who we like but
are not so excellent yet they have strong reasons to come to our program at
the lower part of top 10 to make us safe. The last 5 who we did not rank, we
think we would rather end up unmatched than having them as fellows. Those
people are very uncomfortable to work with.
The power of match is in the hands of candidates. So rank the program you
like best first. |
M*****2
发帖数: 379 | 13 谢谢分享
请问一下research／paper 对fellow的申请重要的，但对一般residency candidates有
什么优势
不？ 如果不是first author是不是就不impressive了？ |
s*******w
发帖数: 1879 | 14 谢谢yf！
clinical
in
【在 yf 的大作中提到】
: Clinical research or basic research. Some people had PhD degree or did
: postdoc so they have tons of publications. Some people had a lot of clinical
: case reports or retrospective studies, or reviews during residency. Some
: people don't have a lot of papers, but somehow they showed their interest in
: hem/onc.
|
yf
发帖数: 272 | 15 今天我们系里讨论了fellow candidates的排名。我们几个attending一共面试了20个候
选人，我们有两个位子。今天rank了15个人。5个人被排除，因为这些原因：1. 态度太
傲或者冷漠。2.USMLE成绩太差，或者有attempts. 3.没有科研热情。4.有一个人面试
时说他一定要做private practice.他是我们本院的住院医师但是表现不好。
15个在rank list 上的人里面有两个中国裔的老挝人和缅甸人都排在很后。原因是：1
。太quiet.2.没有表达热情。3.科研不够强。
排在最靠前的有以下几个特点： 1. 性格热情，谦卑，柔和，让人感觉舒服。2. 科研
好。文章多3. USMLE成绩好。4.有tie.就是有充分的理由会留在或者要来这个地区。5.
有绿卡。我们排了两个需要H1B的，但其实我们只能要一个需要H1B. 6.有几个是跟我
们做过科研的，知根知底。
感想是：1. 要热情。 2。 要谦卑。3.要有connection. 4.高分。 5. 科研 6. 不要说
自己要去private practice.
下周我们要面试residency candidates.总原则也一样。 |
c*****t
发帖数: 625 | 16 thanks very much for sharing.
I have a question that may be common to Chinese. You said you would pick
someone who is passionate, and humble. My personal feeling is that most
Chinese is already humble enough, if we go over the board, people may think
we are not confident.
Would you like to share some comments about how you think? |
yf
发帖数: 272 | 17 Humble does not mean not confident. It's hard to describe. You may get the
feeling when you interview people. I made the same mistake before but now I
know what is humble and meek, what is inconfident.
Actually most Indians are very good. They are delightful and humble.
American graduates are usually too confident. Chinese are too quiet. And
they have trouble finding topics to continue the talk. |
p********t
发帖数: 411 | |
m******n
发帖数: 233 | 19 说的很有道理啊
1
5.
【在 yf 的大作中提到】
: 今天我们系里讨论了fellow candidates的排名。我们几个attending一共面试了20个候
: 选人，我们有两个位子。今天rank了15个人。5个人被排除，因为这些原因：1. 态度太
: 傲或者冷漠。2.USMLE成绩太差，或者有attempts. 3.没有科研热情。4.有一个人面试
: 时说他一定要做private practice.他是我们本院的住院医师但是表现不好。
: 15个在rank list 上的人里面有两个中国裔的老挝人和缅甸人都排在很后。原因是：1
: 。太quiet.2.没有表达热情。3.科研不够强。
: 排在最靠前的有以下几个特点： 1. 性格热情，谦卑，柔和，让人感觉舒服。2. 科研
: 好。文章多3. USMLE成绩好。4.有tie.就是有充分的理由会留在或者要来这个地区。5.
: 有绿卡。我们排了两个需要H1B的，但其实我们只能要一个需要H1B. 6.有几个是跟我
: 们做过科研的，知根知底。
|
V*****G
发帖数: 337 | 20 well said.to the key points.
1
5.
【在 yf 的大作中提到】
: 今天我们系里讨论了fellow candidates的排名。我们几个attending一共面试了20个候
: 选人，我们有两个位子。今天rank了15个人。5个人被排除，因为这些原因：1. 态度太
: 傲或者冷漠。2.USMLE成绩太差，或者有attempts. 3.没有科研热情。4.有一个人面试
: 时说他一定要做private practice.他是我们本院的住院医师但是表现不好。
: 15个在rank list 上的人里面有两个中国裔的老挝人和缅甸人都排在很后。原因是：1
: 。太quiet.2.没有表达热情。3.科研不够强。
: 排在最靠前的有以下几个特点： 1. 性格热情，谦卑，柔和，让人感觉舒服。2. 科研
: 好。文章多3. USMLE成绩好。4.有tie.就是有充分的理由会留在或者要来这个地区。5.
: 有绿卡。我们排了两个需要H1B的，但其实我们只能要一个需要H1B. 6.有几个是跟我
: 们做过科研的，知根知底。
|
|
|
V*****G
发帖数: 337 | 21 The way you talk and how you answer the question, the tone, the posture,body
language will show people if you are humble or not.And you really need to
be humble inside.
For example, if you always say I....., I......., I......, I......, people
will think you are not humble, and too proud of yourself. Most people will
not like candidates who think they are important themselves.
For the achievement, you can start with: it is very fortunate to be able to
work on .... with Dr. abc. We found that... , and we published... and filed
a patent...... I learned a lot.
Carry a pleasant conversation is very important. Learn how to talk to people
. For people who have been studying crazy, not talking a lot, this can be
quite a challenge.
think
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: thanks very much for sharing.
: I have a question that may be common to Chinese. You said you would pick
: someone who is passionate, and humble. My personal feeling is that most
: Chinese is already humble enough, if we go over the board, people may think
: we are not confident.
: Would you like to share some comments about how you think?
|
s*******w
发帖数: 1879 | 22 yf姐说的research是哪种research啊，是做residency期间做的clincial research么 |
b*****u
发帖数: 289 | 23 thank you for sharing. I have some questions.
1. Some people were screened out because of being quiet or being too
aggressive, I wonder why they were recruited as residents and finished 3
years of residency training? Does it mean residency screening have different
criteria?
2. USMLE score is considered during fellowship screening, I wonder why low
score candidates still could be recruited during residency screening, and
looks like the tests and evaluations during residency don't count when you
apply for fellowship.
3.For research, during residency, residents can do some case report, I don't
think they can do complicated clinical trail research or basic research if
they are not in physician-scientist track. |
yf
发帖数: 272 | 24 Very good.
body
to
filed
【在 V*****G 的大作中提到】
: The way you talk and how you answer the question, the tone, the posture,body
: language will show people if you are humble or not.And you really need to
: be humble inside.
: For example, if you always say I....., I......., I......, I......, people
: will think you are not humble, and too proud of yourself. Most people will
: not like candidates who think they are important themselves.
: For the achievement, you can start with: it is very fortunate to be able to
: work on .... with Dr. abc. We found that... , and we published... and filed
: a patent...... I learned a lot.
: Carry a pleasant conversation is very important. Learn how to talk to people
|
yf
发帖数: 272 | 25 Clinical research or basic research. Some people had PhD degree or did
postdoc so they have tons of publications. Some people had a lot of clinical
case reports or retrospective studies, or reviews during residency. Some
people don't have a lot of papers, but somehow they showed their interest in
hem/onc.
【在 s*******w 的大作中提到】
: yf姐说的research是哪种research啊，是做residency期间做的clincial research么
|
yf
发帖数: 272 | 26 1. Some people were screened out because of being quiet or being too
aggressive, I wonder why they were recruited as residents and finished 3
years of residency training? Does it mean residency screening have different
criteria?
Answer: I don't know. I am going to interview residency candidates next week
. i will see.
2. USMLE score is considered during fellowship screening, I wonder why low
score candidates still could be recruited during residency screening, and
looks like the tests and evaluations during residency don't count when you
apply for fellowship.
Answer: The ones who have low scores all have connections. Some did research
with our attendings, some have relatives who are directors or chairmans in
our institution. The tests during the residency don't count. The
recommendation letters count.
3.For research, during residency, residents can do some case report, I don't
think they can do complicated clinical trail research or basic research if
they are not in physician-scientist track.
Answer: I actually saw quite a lot of people did a bunch of retrospective
studies, or case reports, or some even wrote protocol and completed some
small studies such as outcome research and quality control studies. As I
said before, some candidates had done postdoc work and had PhD degree, so
they have a lot of basic research publications. Clinical trials are possible
too. People write papers when the trials are completed. They can be first
or second authors but the PI be the last author. Don't forget, not everybody
are fresh graduates. We have a few hospitalists, and a few assistant
professors who applied to fellowship programs. I don't understand why the
assistant professors are interested in doing fellowship. But they are really
good. They are mature, humble, extremely smart, very friendly.
Regarding the rank list, we did not put the best ones first because we know
that they will not rank us first. We put those who we like very much but may
or may not match somewhere-else on the top. We put those who we like but
are not so excellent yet they have strong reasons to come to our program at
the lower part of top 10 to make us safe. The last 5 who we did not rank, we
think we would rather end up unmatched than having them as fellows. Those
people are very uncomfortable to work with.
The power of match is in the hands of candidates. So rank the program you
like best first. |
M*****2
发帖数: 379 | 27 谢谢分享
请问一下research／paper 对fellow的申请重要的，但对一般residency candidates有
什么优势
不？ 如果不是first author是不是就不impressive了？ |
s*******w
发帖数: 1879 | 28 谢谢yf！
clinical
in
【在 yf 的大作中提到】
: Clinical research or basic research. Some people had PhD degree or did
: postdoc so they have tons of publications. Some people had a lot of clinical
: case reports or retrospective studies, or reviews during residency. Some
: people don't have a lot of papers, but somehow they showed their interest in
: hem/onc.
|
b*****u
发帖数: 289 | 29 谢谢楼主回答问题，我现在总结一下，不对的地方请指正。
在住院医阶段，低分的，无论是走门子还是怎么着，也能match，而且，顺利毕业，申
请fellow。
性格张扬的，性格内敛的，骄傲的，压抑的，都能match，而且，三年住院生活，也没
有改变，或者住院生活把人弄得变本加厉，总之，到申fellow阶段，长牙舞照，为猥琐
琐的都有。 |
yf
发帖数: 272 | 30 Research/paper is not as important as high scores to residency candidates.
【在 M*****2 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢分享
: 请问一下research／paper 对fellow的申请重要的，但对一般residency candidates有
: 什么优势
: 不？ 如果不是first author是不是就不impressive了？
|
|
|
c**a
发帖数: 41 | 31 Thank you very much for your advice. They are really helpful. |
y***n
发帖数: 70 | 32 thank you very much. very helpful to know the whole process as a pathologist
. always look far when you start-5 years and 10 years paln |
M*****2
发帖数: 379 | 33 谢谢！
【在 yf 的大作中提到】
: Research/paper is not as important as high scores to residency candidates.
|
t******a
发帖数: 408 | 34 非常感谢您的分享和指导！
对职业长远规划非常有帮助。
我们很多同学尽管还没有到这个阶段，
但是能够提前了解，规划，是非常有帮助的。
奉上包子，请笑纳。
fanfan,请您能不能抽空再分享下面试住院医的体会。
现在这儿好多同学正在准备面试住院医。一定会很有帮助的。
提前感谢啦！
1
5.
【在 yf 的大作中提到】
: 今天我们系里讨论了fellow candidates的排名。我们几个attending一共面试了20个候
: 选人，我们有两个位子。今天rank了15个人。5个人被排除，因为这些原因：1. 态度太
: 傲或者冷漠。2.USMLE成绩太差，或者有attempts. 3.没有科研热情。4.有一个人面试
: 时说他一定要做private practice.他是我们本院的住院医师但是表现不好。
: 15个在rank list 上的人里面有两个中国裔的老挝人和缅甸人都排在很后。原因是：1
: 。太quiet.2.没有表达热情。3.科研不够强。
: 排在最靠前的有以下几个特点： 1. 性格热情，谦卑，柔和，让人感觉舒服。2. 科研
: 好。文章多3. USMLE成绩好。4.有tie.就是有充分的理由会留在或者要来这个地区。5.
: 有绿卡。我们排了两个需要H1B的，但其实我们只能要一个需要H1B. 6.有几个是跟我
: 们做过科研的，知根知底。
|
