j*******3
发帖数: 34 | 1 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
解伊斯兰。
2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
她跟我说过一句话，让我很感动。她说，她真的想和我在一起，但在她内心深处，她有
个伊斯兰的灵魂，两人就算在一起，如果没有共同的精神追求，一起奋斗，追求同一个
方向，很难保持长久在一起。她多么希望，能和我有着同样的追求，同样的信仰，同样
的人生价值，希望我和她心灵上联在一起。我怎么听着，就像“潜伏”里佐蓝策反余则
成的那番话呢？
我很纠结，我一直都是无神论者，而且对伊斯兰教一直都有成见，现在怎么要我去试着读可兰经？而且我们之间的年龄差距让我很担心，但她总要说服我年龄不是问题，我问她当你三十岁的时候，我都是老头了？她回问我，你觉得我不知道和没想过这个问题么？
我是不是思想太封建，太保守？ | t*a
发帖数: 522 | | l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 3 穆斯林女的只可以嫁信穆斯林的, 但穆斯林男的可以娶非穆斯林女的. 这种落后的宗教
还是算了吧. | w**e
发帖数: 2358 | 4 让她学习中国文化 不然她也别扯keep open mind | G**********y
发帖数: 343 | 5 听着Too good to be true.
很久前接触过一些苏联柯尔克孜20多岁的男孩女孩，感觉没有这么宗教狂热，觉得还没
有国内的克族狂热。实际上和很多信仰伊斯兰的其他民族比起来，克族并不狂热。只是
觉得他们民族自豪感挺强的，是跟着成吉思汗征服天下的古老民族之一。
也许现在世道变了，伊斯兰凝聚力更强了。
你要是“嫁”过去，要到清真寺洗肠子。 | p*******e
发帖数: 1749 | 6 信仰这种东西不能勉强的
如果是无神论长大，世界观都形成了，那么强撑信教肯定是骗自己
跟她好好聊聊吧
爱情不一定要统一信仰，但是关于上天堂还是下地狱，估计她觉得你灵魂不能得救死后
要永世分别比较残酷吧
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| F*F
发帖数: 825 | 7 算了吧 两个人的信仰不一样以后绝对很多矛盾的
何况是穆斯林这种自闭的宗教
还有，你要是娶了她，以后你的小孩也是穆斯林 | r********n
发帖数: 92 | 8 坑不是这样挖的啊，新注册的就为挖坑？
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【在 p*******e 的大作中提到】
: 信仰这种东西不能勉强的
: 如果是无神论长大，世界观都形成了，那么强撑信教肯定是骗自己
: 跟她好好聊聊吧
: 爱情不一定要统一信仰，但是关于上天堂还是下地狱，估计她觉得你灵魂不能得救死后
: 要永世分别比较残酷吧
| d*z
发帖数: 59 | 9 万一你被迫做了卧底，当了恐怖分子，海外华人都会被你害惨的。求求你了，大家都是
上有老下有小的。 | s****y
发帖数: 3416 | 10 很不靠谱。。赶快放了人家得了
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| | | g****g
发帖数: 365 | 11 俄罗斯那边的女生对老公是很服帖的。。。我身边有典型例子 | G******8
发帖数: 829 | | a******g
发帖数: 13519 | 13 四十岁还没老婆。我看，能有就要吧。有个穆斯林小孩总比没后好。 | y******u
发帖数: 246 | 14 22岁的美女呀，为啥怕信穆斯林，无神论者的的优势就是现实第一，信啥都没有关系 | y****0
发帖数: 1661 | | y****0
发帖数: 1661 | | b****r
发帖数: 17995 | | T******y
发帖数: 14506 | | w******r
发帖数: 3156 | 19 需要吗？
【在 T******y 的大作中提到】
: 抹黑穆斯林？
| d******a
发帖数: 32122 | 20 坑，绝对是坑
真有这事，当然要信教了
"我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
"
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| | | d*****s
发帖数: 5610 | 21 信仰穆斯林可以娶4个太太？开玩笑了。
其实这么好的事，为什么不认真考虑，你可以信仰伊斯兰教，但是可以在家里信，不一
定要参加他们活动的，并且你住在美国，担心什么？只要未来不合她父母在一起住就可
以了。 | l**********6
发帖数: 262 | 22 lol，这女的骗你入教呢吧。等你入教了，把你蹬了，你就成了四十多岁的穆斯林了。
别上当啊。
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| c*******m
发帖数: 386 | 23 "这种落后的宗教还是算了吧"?
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 穆斯林女的只可以嫁信穆斯林的, 但穆斯林男的可以娶非穆斯林女的. 这种落后的宗教
: 还是算了吧.
| o*******n
发帖数: 130 | 24 为什么不啊。
btw，是不是可以娶4个了
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| o*******n
发帖数: 130 | 25 为什么不啊。
btw，是不是可以娶4个了
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| o*******n
发帖数: 130 | 26 为什么不啊。
btw，是不是可以娶4个了
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| o*******n
发帖数: 130 | 27 为什么不啊。
btw，是不是可以娶4个了
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| j*******3
发帖数: 34 | 28 看了那么多的回帖，要嘛说是坑，要嘛是嘲讽的，本来不想再回帖了，但是想要澄清几
件事，为她和穆斯林讨个公道：
1. 我没说她要求我做什么，只是她的一个希望，更确切是个梦想，她是理解我和尊重
我的人生价值观的。这就是我为什么爱她。
2. 怎么又拿一夫多妻来开玩笑了。一夫多妻制，即使是多数的伊斯兰国家也不施行了
，更不要说在前苏联统治的中亚和中国共产党统治的穆斯林地区，早就被杜绝了。
3. 也不要拿恐怖分子来开玩笑了，99%的穆斯林从人性角度讲，跟你我一样，可能更人
性化。
4. 她有什么必要要骗我入教? 她又不拿介绍费，贩卖我又不值几个钱，我又不是个妙
龄少女。说我骗她还有些逻辑。
5. 为什么不靠谱？ 在您的生活中没有经历过的事情，就是不靠谱？那世界上多半的东
西都不靠谱，因为人的生命有限，都没法一一经历和尝试。
6. 回13楼，我没说我四十光棍啊，我的孩子都打酱油了。
7. 回4楼，当然，影响是双方的，她也学会了更多中国的东西。我们刚认识的时候，她学会了“月亮代
表我的心”，她就照的youtube反复听了两天，然后就唱给我听。她的声音真是好听，第一次听的时候，
我大吃一惊，她的音乐底子很好。 | d********3
发帖数: 7220 | 29 靠，原来不是坑，是个BSO，我也求邪教年轻美女，信摩门都行！ | z********6
发帖数: 852 | 30 我有个朋友本来准备和回族人结婚的， 结果那家人居然想用石灰水给他灌肠洗肠
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| | | z********6
发帖数: 852 | 31 信了穆斯林就不能和非穆斯林来往，包括自己父母
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】
: 信仰穆斯林可以娶4个太太？开玩笑了。
: 其实这么好的事，为什么不认真考虑，你可以信仰伊斯兰教，但是可以在家里信，不一
: 定要参加他们活动的，并且你住在美国，担心什么？只要未来不合她父母在一起住就可
: 以了。
| z********6
发帖数: 852 | 32 1%的穆斯林邪教分子，加上他们的配偶就是2%+，加上他们的子女就是4%+，加上他们的
父母就是8%+，加上
他们的亲戚就是20%+，假设你得罪了其中任何一位（比如你和你说的这个穆斯林女人吵
架），你就等着恐怖
分子来找你吧
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 看了那么多的回帖，要嘛说是坑，要嘛是嘲讽的，本来不想再回帖了，但是想要澄清几
: 件事，为她和穆斯林讨个公道：
: 1. 我没说她要求我做什么，只是她的一个希望，更确切是个梦想，她是理解我和尊重
: 我的人生价值观的。这就是我为什么爱她。
: 2. 怎么又拿一夫多妻来开玩笑了。一夫多妻制，即使是多数的伊斯兰国家也不施行了
: ，更不要说在前苏联统治的中亚和中国共产党统治的穆斯林地区，早就被杜绝了。
: 3. 也不要拿恐怖分子来开玩笑了，99%的穆斯林从人性角度讲，跟你我一样，可能更人
: 性化。
: 4. 她有什么必要要骗我入教? 她又不拿介绍费，贩卖我又不值几个钱，我又不是个妙
: 龄少女。说我骗她还有些逻辑。
| z********6
发帖数: 852 | 33 回汗不通婚，除非你加入穆斯林，（差不多要）舍弃你现在的家庭。生活差别会很大，
一切都要按照古兰
经。但是不是随便就可以加入伊斯兰教的，除非你有熟人当阿訇，或在他们中间生活了
很久。
另一个办法就是女方和你私奔，但是风险很大，如果被抓住会有生命危险。。。
我教你一个办法，就是先谈着朋友，至于今后是否结婚的事你不用那么早考虑，毕竟你
现在还小，有可能是
一时热血冲头，处一段时间才知道会不会发展到结婚 | j*******3
发帖数: 34 | 34 没那么严重。
其实我自从从上个婚姻中出来后，压根就没想再结婚，我也跟她说过没打算再结婚，况且我们认识还不
到一年。不过我现在真是越来越喜欢她，经过这么多次感情和婚姻，我应该能看出什么是适合我的好女
人，我觉她符合很多好女人的元素。她现在还年轻，还在成长，会越来越成熟。
每当我说我没想打算再结婚的时候，刚开始她还说，“我不管，反正能和你在一起就行
了。” 现在她的回答更成熟了,"时间会告诉我们一切的，别想太多，Janym (柯语：亲爱的）"。 我
有时觉得，她说话比我还老练，只有微笑着摇头。
【在 z********6 的大作中提到】
: 信了穆斯林就不能和非穆斯林来往，包括自己父母
| m****a
发帖数: 2593 | 35 和俄罗斯没关系，主要是穆斯林文化的原因，我见过的穆斯林女孩给我的印象都很好，
非常的和善谦恭
【在 g****g 的大作中提到】
: 俄罗斯那边的女生对老公是很服帖的。。。我身边有典型例子
| j*******3
发帖数: 34 | 36 如果你是在显示自己的幽默感，很遗憾你没天分。
如果不是的话，送你一些话吧: 愚昧，知识面小，最糟糕的是，还自以为知道很多东西。年轻人，多读
读书再开腔吧。
【在 z********6 的大作中提到】
: 1%的穆斯林邪教分子，加上他们的配偶就是2%+，加上他们的子女就是4%+，加上他们的
: 父母就是8%+，加上
: 他们的亲戚就是20%+，假设你得罪了其中任何一位（比如你和你说的这个穆斯林女人吵
: 架），你就等着恐怖
: 分子来找你吧
| z********6
发帖数: 852 | 37 好，祝你和你的穆斯林恐怖分子女人早日去见安拉。allahu akbar
西。年轻人，多读
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 如果你是在显示自己的幽默感，很遗憾你没天分。
: 如果不是的话，送你一些话吧: 愚昧，知识面小，最糟糕的是，还自以为知道很多东西。年轻人，多读
: 读书再开腔吧。
| z********6
发帖数: 852 | 38 你知识面宽的话就告诉我古兰经为什么要说这些极端语言
“与你作战的人，你要为阿拉与他们争战。”
“你抓到他们，要杀死他们。他们把你从何处驱逐，你就要将他们从何处驱逐。因为骚
乱和迫害更甚于屠杀。
”
“你不想争战，也得争战。你可能不爱做于你有益的事，却爱做对你有损的事。你不知
道，但阿拉知道。”
“为阿拉而战的，是把今生换来生。为阿拉而战的——不论战死战胜——不久都必得大
赏。”
对于非回教徒：“你在哪处看到他们，就抓住他们，杀死他们：无论如何，总不要和他
们交朋友或接受他们帮
忙。”
“阿拉对费财费力参战者有更大赏赐，非安坐家中者能比。”
“使者阿，你要呼吁信徒起来争战。倘若你们有二十个人，要忍耐、坚持，他们二百个
人便要消灭。如果你们
有一百人，二千个异教徒便要被歼灭；因为他们没有智慧。”
“与他们争战，阿拉要藉你们的手惩罚他们，叫他们蒙羞，助你们战胜他们，医治你们
的胸怀。”
“与不信阿拉的人作战…直到他们降服。”
“因此，当你们与异教徒作战时，要击打他们的颈项，直到他们最终彻底投降…阿拉让
你们争战，为要试验
你…。为阿拉被杀的，阿拉必不叫他们枉死。”
“这是因为他们拒绝阿拉和他的使者。谁拒绝阿拉，阿拉都必严惩。”
“阿拉诚然喜爱为他争战的人。看他们如坚墙。”
西。年轻人，多读
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 如果你是在显示自己的幽默感，很遗憾你没天分。
: 如果不是的话，送你一些话吧: 愚昧，知识面小，最糟糕的是，还自以为知道很多东西。年轻人，多读
: 读书再开腔吧。
| z********6
发帖数: 852 | 39 古兰经有164处关于对异教徒发动圣战（jihad)的描述
The Koran's 164 Jihad Verses
K 2:178-179
Set 1, Count 1+2 [2.178] O you who believe! retaliation is prescribed for
you in the matter of the slain, the free for the free, and the slave for
the slave, and the female for the female, but if any remission is made to
any one by his (aggrieved) brother, then prosecution (for the bloodwit)
should be made according to usage, and payment should be made to him in a
good manner; this is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy; so whoever
exceeds the limit after this he shall have a painful chastisement. [2.179]
And there is life for you in (the law of) retaliation, O men of
understanding, that you may guard yourselves.
K 2:190-191
Set 2, Count 3+4 [2.190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who
fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love
those who exceed the limits. [2.191] And kill them wherever you find them,
and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is
severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque
until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them;
such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
K 2:193-194
Set 3, Count 5+6 [2.193] And fight with them until there is no
persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then
there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. [2.194] The
Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things are (under the law
of) retaliation; whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury
on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of
your duty) to Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against
evil).
K 2:216-218
Set 4, Count 7-9 [2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object
of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good
for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and
Allah knows, while you do not know. [2.217] They ask you concerning the
sacred month about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter,
and hindering (men) from Allah's way and denying Him, and (hindering men
from) the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver
with Allah, and persecution is graver than slaughter; and they will not
cease fighting with you until they turn you back from your religion, if they
can; and whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an
unbeliever—these it is whose works shall go for nothing in this world and
the hereafter, and they are the inmates of the fire; therein they shall
abide. [2.218] Surely those who believed and those who fled (their home) and
strove hard in the way of Allah these hope for the mercy of Allah and Allah
is Forgiving, Merciful.
K 2:244
Set 5, Count 10 And fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is
Hearing, Knowing.
K 3:121-126
Set 6, Count 11-16 [3.121] And when you did go forth early in the morning
from your family to lodge the believers in encampments for war and Allah is
Hearing, Knowing. [3.122] When two parties from among you had determined
that they should show cowardice [about Jihad], and Allah was the guardian of
them both, and in Allah should the believers trust. [3.123] And Allah did
certainly assist you at [the Battle of] Badr when you were weak; be careful
of (your duty to) Allah then, that you may give thanks. [3.124] When you
said to the believers: Does it not suffice you that your Lord should assist
you with three thousand of the angels sent down? [3.125] Yea! if you remain
patient and are on your guard, and they come upon you in a headlong manner,
your Lord will assist you with five thousand of the havoc-making angels. [3.
126] And Allah did not make it but as good news for you, and that your
hearts might be at ease thereby, and victory is only from Allah, the Mighty,
the Wise.
K 3:140-143
Set 7, Count 17-20 [3.140] If a wound has afflicted you (at [the Battle
of] Uhud), a wound like it has also afflicted the (unbelieving) people; and
We bring these days to men by turns, and that Allah may know those who
believe and take witnesses from among you; and Allah does not love the
unjust. [3.141] And that He [Allah] may purge those who believe and deprive
the unbelievers of blessings.[3.142] Yusuf Ali: Did ye think that ye would
enter Heaven without God testing those of you who fought hard (in His Cause)
and remained steadfast? [3.143] Pickthall: And verily ye used to wish for
death before ye met it (in the field). Now ye have seen it [death] with your
eyes!
K 3:146
Set 8, Count 21 Yusuf Ali: How many of the prophets fought (in Allah's
way) [Jihad], and with them (fought) large bands of godly men? But they
never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's way [lost a battle],
nor did they weaken (in will) nor give in. And Allah loves those who are
firm and steadfast [in Jihad].
K 3:152-158
Set 9, Count 22-28 [3.152] And certainly Allah made good to you His
promise when you slew them by His [Allah's] permission [during a Jihad
battle], until when you became weak-hearted and disputed about the affair
and disobeyed after He [Allah] had shown you that which you loved; of you
were some who desired this world and of you were some who desired the
hereafter; then He [Allah] turned you away from them that He might try you;
and He has certainly pardoned you, and Allah is Gracious to the believers. [
3.153] Pickthall: When ye climbed (the hill) and paid no heed to anyone,
while the messenger, in your rear, was calling you (to fight). Therefore He
rewarded you grief for (his) grief, that (He might teach) you not to sorrow
either for that which ye missed [war spoils] or for that which befell you.
Allah is informed of what ye do. [3.154] Then after sorrow He sent down
security upon you, a calm coming upon a party of you, and (there was)
another party whom their own souls had rendered anxious; they entertained
about Allah thoughts of ignorance quite unjustly, saying: We have no hand in
the affair. Say: Surely the affair is wholly (in the hands) of Allah. They
conceal within their souls what they would not reveal to you. They say: Had
we any hand in the affair, we would not have been slain here [in a Jihad
battle]. Say: Had you remained in your houses, those for whom slaughter was
ordained [in a Jihad battle] would certainly have gone forth to the places
where they would be slain, and that Allah might test what was in your
breasts and that He might purge what was in your hearts; and Allah knows
what is in the breasts. [3.155] (As for) those of you who turned back on the
day when the two armies met, only the Satan sought to cause them to make a
slip on account of some deeds they had done, and certainly Allah has
pardoned them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing. [3.156] O you who
believe! be not like those who disbelieve and say of their brethren when
they travel in the earth or engage in fighting: Had they been with us, they
would not have died and they would not have been slain; so Allah makes this
to be an intense regret in their hearts; and Allah gives life and causes
death and Allah sees what you do. [3.157] And if you are slain in the way of
Allah or you die, certainly forgiveness from Allah and mercy is better than
what they amass [what those who stay home from Jihad receive—no booty and
no perks in heaven]. [3.158] And if indeed you die or you are slain,
certainly to Allah shall you be gathered together.
K 3:165-167
Set 10, Count 29-31 [3.165] What! when a misfortune befell you, and you [
Muslims] had certainly afflicted (the unbelievers) with twice as much [with
Jihad], you began to say: Whence is this? Say: It is from yourselves; surely
Allah has power over all things. [3.166] And what befell you on the day
when the two armies met ([the Battle of] Uhud) was with Allah's knowledge,
and that He might know the believers. [3.167] And that He might know the
hypocrites; and it was said to them: Come, fight in Allah's way, or defend
yourselves. They said: If we knew fighting, we would certainly have followed
you. They were on that day much nearer to unbelief than to belief. They say
with their mouths what is not in their hearts, and Allah best knows what
they conceal.
K 3:169
Set 11, Count 32 And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as
dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord [
meaning they are enjoying their 72 virgins in heaven];
K 3:172-173
Set 12, Count 33+34 [3.172] (As for) those who responded (at [the Battle
of] Uhud) to the call of Allah and the Apostle after a wound had befallen
them, those among them who do good (to others) and guard (against evil)
shall have a great reward. [3.173] Those to whom the people said: Surely men
have gathered against you [in battle], therefore fear them, but this
increased their faith, and they said: Allah is sufficient for us and most
excellent is the Protector.
K 3:195
Set 13, Count 35 So their Lord accepted their prayer: That I will not
waste the work of a worker among you, whether male or female, the one of you
being from the other; they, therefore, who fled and were turned out of
their homes and persecuted in My way and who fought and were slain, I will
most certainly cover their evil deeds, and I will most certainly make them
enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; a reward from Allah, and with Allah
is yet better reward.
K 4:071-072
Set 14, Count 36+37 [4.71] O you who believe! take your precaution, then
go forth in detachments or go forth in a body [to war]. [4.72] And surely
among you is he who would certainly hang back [from Jihad]! If then a
misfortune befalls you he says: Surely Allah conferred a benefit on me that
I was not present with them [in Jihad].
K 4:074-077
Set 15, Count 38-41 [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah,
who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way
of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty
reward. [4.75] And what reason have you that you should not fight in the
way of Allah and of the weak among the men and the women and the children, (
of) those who say: Our Lord! cause us to go forth from this town, whose
people are oppressors, and give us from Thee a guardian and give us from
Thee a helper. [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those
who disbelieve fight in the way of the Satan. Fight therefore against the
friends of the Satan; surely the strategy of the Satan is weak. [4.77] Have
you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands, and keep up
prayer and pay the poor-rate; but when fighting is prescribed for them, lo!
a party of them fear men as they ought to have feared Allah, or (even) with
a greater fear, and say: Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us?
Wherefore didst Thou not grant us a delay to a near end? Say: The provision
of this world is short, and the hereafter is better for him who guards (
against evil); and you shall not be wronged the husk of a date stone.
K 4:084
Set 16, Count 42 Fight then in Allah's way; this is not imposed on you
except in relation to yourself, and rouse the believers to ardor maybe Allah
will restrain the fighting of those who disbelieve and Allah is strongest
in prowess and strongest to give an exemplary punishment.
K 4:089-091
Set 17, Count 43-45 [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they
have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from
among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they
turn back [to their homes], then seize them and kill them wherever you find
them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. [4.90] Except
those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who
come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own
people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you,
so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw
from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given
you a way against them [Allah supposedly does not allow Muslims to fight
people friendly to Muslims]. [4.91] You will find others who desire that
they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as
they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong;
therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and
restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them;
and against these We have given you a clear authority.
K 4:094-095
Set 18, Count 46+47 [4.94] O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah
's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace:
You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! [Meaning
that Muslim ought not say someone is a non-Muslim just to plunder him.] But
with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah
conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is
aware of what you do. [4.95] The holders back from among the believers, not
having any injury, and those who strive hard [Jihad] in Allah's way with
their property and their persons are not equal; Allah has made the strivers
with their property and their persons to excel the holders back a (high)
degree, and to each (class) Allah has promised good; and Allah shall grant
to the strivers [i.e., Jihadist] above the holders back a mighty reward:
K 4:100-104
Set 19, Count 48-52 [4.100] And whoever flies in Allah's way [forsakes
his home to fight in Jihad], he will find in the earth many a place of
refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying
to Allah and His Apostle, and then death overtakes him [in Jihad], his
reward is indeed with Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [4.101]
Rodwell: And when ye go forth to war in the land, it shall be no crime in
you to cut short your prayers, if ye fear lest the infidels come upon you;
Verily, the infidels are your undoubted enemies! [4.102] And when you are
among them and keep up the prayer for them, let a party of them stand up
with you, and let them take their arms; then when they have prostrated
themselves let them go to your rear, and let another party who have not
prayed come forward and pray with you, and let them take their precautions
and their arms; (for) those who disbelieve desire that you may be careless
of your arms and your luggage, so that they may then turn upon you with a
sudden united attack, and there is no blame on you, if you are annoyed with
rain or if you are sick, that you lay down your arms, and take your
precautions; surely Allah has prepared a disgraceful chastisement for the
unbelievers. [4.103] Khalifa: Once you complete your Contact Prayer (Salat),
you shall remember GOD while standing, sitting, or lying down. Once the war
is over, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat); the Contact Prayers
(Salat) are decreed for the believers at specific times. [4.104] And be not
weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they
(too) suffer pain as you suffer pain, and you hope from Allah what they do
not hope; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
K 4:141
Set 20, Count 53 Sher Ali: Those who await your ruin. If you have a
victory [in Jihad] from Allah, they say, ‘Were we not with you?’ And if
the disbelievers have a share of it, they say to them, ‘Did we not on a
previous occasion get the better of you and save you from the believers?’
Allah will judge between you on the day of Resurrection; and Allah will not
grant the disbelievers a way to prevail against the believers.
K 5:033
Set 21, Count 54 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and
His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they
should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut
off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned [Pickthall and Yusuf Ali
have "exiled" rather than "imprisoned"]; this shall be as a disgrace for
them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous
chastisement,
K 5:035
Set 22, Count 55 O you who believe! be careful of (your duty to) Allah
and seek means of nearness to Him and strive hard [at Jihad] in His way that
you may be successful.
K 5:082
Set 23, Count 56 Certainly you will find the most violent of people in
enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews [compare " with "whenever Jews
kindle fire for war, Allah [Muslims] puts it out" (K 005:064)] and those
who are polytheists [while they are converted to Islam on pain of death]...
K 8:001
Set 24, Count 57 Pickthall: They ask thee (O Muhammad) of the spoils of
war. Say: The spoils of war belong to Allah and the messenger, so keep your
duty to Allah, and adjust the matter of your difference, and obey Allah and
His messenger, if ye are (true) believers.
K 8:005
Set 25, Count 58 Even as your Lord caused you to go forth from your house
with the truth, though a party of the believers were surely averse;
K 8:007
Set 26, Count 59 Yusuf Ali: Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (
enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed
should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His
words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers;
K 8:009-010
Set 27, Count 60+61 [8.9]When you sought aid from your Lord [at the
Battle of Badr], so He answered you: I will assist you [in Jihad] with a
thousand of the angels following one another [see K 008:012]. [8.10] And
Allah only gave it as a good news and that your hearts might be at ease
thereby; and victory is only from Allah; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
K 8:012
Set 28, Count 62 When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you,
therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of
those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every
fingertip of them.
K 8:015-017
Set 29, Count 63-65 [8.15] O you who believe! when you meet those who
disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. [8.16] And
whoever shall turn his back to them on that day—unless he turn aside for
the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company—then he, indeed, becomes
deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination
shall it be. [8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them
, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who
smote [Allah gets the credit for Jihad], and that He might confer upon the
believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
K 8:039-048
Set 30, Count 66-75 [8.39] Shakir: And fight with them until there is no
more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist,
then surely Allah sees what they do. [8.40] Yusuf Ali: If they [unbelievers]
refuse [to stop fighting], be sure that God is your Protector—the best to
protect and the best to help. [8.41] Shakir: And know that whatever thing [
loot] you gain, a fifth of it is for Allah and for the Apostle and for the
near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, if you believe
in Allah and in that which We revealed to Our servant, on the day of
distinction, the day on which the two parties met [in a Jihad versus anti-
Jihad battle]; and Allah has power over all things. [8.42] When you were on
the nearer side (of the valley) and they were on the farthest side, while
the caravan was in a lower place than you [the Makkan caravan the Muslims
robbed]; and if you had mutually made an appointment, you would certainly
have broken away from the appointment, but—in order that Allah might bring
about a matter which was to be done, that he who would perish might perish
by clear proof [bring success to Muslims engaged in robbing a caravan near
Badr against all the odds], and he who would live might live by clear proof;
and most surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing; [8.43] When Allah showed them [
the Makkans] to you in your dream as few [fighters]; and if He had shown
them [the Makkans] to you as many [fighters] you would certainly have become
weak-hearted [i.e., hearts. See the similar discussion in K 002:249 about
how a smaller army can defeat a larger army] and you would have disputed
about the matter, but Allah saved (you); surely He is the Knower of what is
in the breasts. [8.44] And when He showed them to you, when you met, as few
[fighters] in your eyes and He made you to appear little [few fighters] in
their eyes, in order that Allah might bring about a matter which was to be
done [a Jihad versus anti-Jihad battle brought on by overconfidence in each
side], and to Allah are all affairs returned. [8.45] O you who believe! when
you meet a party [in battle], then be firm, and remember Allah much, that
you may be successful. [8.46] And obey Allah and His Apostle and do not
quarrel for then you will be weak in hearts [demoralized] and your power [to
execute Jihad] will depart, and be patient; surely Allah is with the
patient. [8.47] And be not like those [Makkans] who came forth from their
homes [in an anti-Jihad War on Islamic terrorism] in great exultation and to
be seen of men, and (who) turn away from the way of Allah, and Allah
comprehends what they do. [8.48] And when the Satan made their works fair
seeming to them, and [Satan] said [to the Makkans]: No one can overcome you
this day, and surely I [Satan] am your protector: but when the two parties [
Muslims versus Makkans] came in sight of each other he [Satan] turned upon
his heels, and [Satan] said: Surely I am clear of you [the Makkans], surely
I see what you do not see [Allah's angels], surely I fear Allah; and Allah
is severe in requiting (evil).
K 8:057-060
Set 31, Count 76-79 Pickthall: [8.57] If thou come on them in the war,
deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply
they may remember. [8.58] Khalifa: When you are betrayed by a group of
people, you shall mobilize against them in the same manner. GOD does not
love the betrayers. [8.59] Shakir: And let not those who disbelieve think
that they shall come in first; surely they will not escape. [8.60] And
prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to
frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them,
whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will
spend in Allah's way [for Jihad], it will be paid back to you fully and you
shall not be dealt with unjustly.
K 8:065-075
Set 32, Count 80-90 [8.65] O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there
are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if
there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who
disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand [in other words,
"do not understand totalitarian ideologies like Islam"]. [8.66] For the
present Allah has made light your burden, and He knows that there is
weakness in you; so if there are a hundred patient ones of you they shall
overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand they shall overcome two
thousand by Allah's permission, and Allah is with the patient. [8.67] It is
not fit for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and
triumphed in the land; you desire the frail goods [i.e., ransom money] of
this world, while Allah desires (for you) the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty
, Wise. [8.68] Had it not been for a previous ordainment [i.e., the
revelation of K 008:067] from God, a severe penalty would have reached you
for the (ransom) that you took [or better, "would have taken"]. [8.69] Eat
then of the lawful and good (things) which you have acquired in war [war
spoils], and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving,
Merciful. [8.70] O Prophet! say to those of the captives [non-Muslims] who
are in your hands: If Allah knows anything good in your hearts, He will give
to you better than that which has been taken away from you [in Jihad] and
will forgive you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [8.71] Yusuf Ali: But if
they have treacherous designs against thee, (O Apostle!) , they have
already been in treason against God, and so hath [has] He [Allah] given (
thee) power over them. And God so He Who hath (full) knowledge and wisdom. [
8.72] Yusuf Ali: Those who believed, and adopted exile, and fought for the
Faith, with their property and their persons, in the cause of God, as well
as those who gave (them) asylum and aid, - these are (all) friends and
protectors, one of another. As to those who believed but came not into exile
, ye [you] owe no duty of protection to them until they come into exile; but
if they seek your aid in religion, it is your duty to help them, except
against a people with whom ye have a treaty of mutual alliance. And (
remember) God seeth [sees] all that ye do. [8.73] Yusuf Ali: The Unbelievers
are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, (protect each other),
there would be tumult and oppression on earth, and great mischief. [8.74]
Yusuf Ali: Those who believe, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith, in
the cause of God as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid, - these
are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins
and a provision most generous. [8.75] Yusuf Ali: And those who accept Faith
subsequently, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith in your company,—
they are of you. But kindred by blood have prior rights against each other
in the Book of God. Verily God is well acquainted with all things.
K 9:005
Set 33, Count 91 So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay
the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege
them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep
up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah
is Forgiving, Merciful.
K 9:012-014
Set 34, Count 92-94 [9.12] And if they break their oaths after their
agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of
unbelief—surely their oaths are nothing—so that they may desist. [9.13]
What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the
expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But
Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers. [9.
14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to
disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing
people.
K 9:016
Set 35, Count 95 What! do you think that you will be left alone while
Allah has not yet known those of you who have struggled hard [Jihad] and
have not taken any one as an adherent besides Allah and His Apostle and the
believers; and Allah is aware of what you do.
K 9:019-020
Set 36, Count 96+97 [9.19] What! do you make (one who undertakes) the
giving of drink to the pilgrims and the guarding of the Sacred Mosque like
him who believes in Allah and the latter day and strives hard in Allah's way
[Jihad]? They are not equal with Allah; and Allah does not guide the unjust
people. [9.20] Those who believed and fled (their homes), and strove hard [
Jihad] in Allah's way with their property and their souls, are much higher
in rank with Allah; and those are they who are the achievers (of their
objects).
K 9:024-026
Set 37, Count 98-100 [9.24] Say: If your fathers and your sons and your
brethren and your mates and your kinsfolk and property which you have
acquired, and the slackness of trade which you fear and dwellings which you
like, are dearer to you than Allah and His Apostle and striving in His way [
Jihad]:, then wait till Allah brings about His command [to go on Jihad]: and
Allah does not guide the transgressing people. [9.25] Certainly Allah
helped you in many battlefields and on the day of [the Battle of] Hunain,
when your great numbers made you vain, but they availed you nothing and the
earth became strait to you notwithstanding its spaciousness, then you turned
back retreating. [9.26] Then Allah sent down His tranquility upon His
Apostle and upon the believers, and sent down hosts which you did not see,
and chastised those who disbelieved [Muhammad gives credit to angels and
Allah for the actions of Jihadists], and that is the reward of the
unbelievers.
K 9:029
Set 38, Count 101 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the
latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited,
nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book
, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a
state of subjection.
K 9:036
Set 39, Count 102 Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months
in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the
earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be
not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all
together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those
who guard (against evil).
K 9:038-039
Set 40, Count 103+104 [9.38] O you who believe! What (excuse) have you
that when it is said to you: Go forth in Allah's way [to Jihad], you should
incline heavily to earth; are you contented with this world's life instead
of the hereafter? But the provision of this world's life compared with the
hereafter is but little. [9.38] If you do not go forth [to go on Jihad], He
will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a
people other than you [to go on Jihad], and you will do Him no harm; and
Allah has power over all things.
K 9:041
Set 41, Count 105 They do not ask leave of you who believe in Allah and
the latter day (to stay away) from striving hard with their property and
their persons [Jihad], and Allah knows those who guard (against evil).
K 9:044
Set 42, Count 106 They do not ask leave of you who believe in Allah and
the latter day (to stay away) from striving hard [Jihad] with their property
and their persons, and Allah knows those who guard (against evil).
K 9:052
Set 43, Count 107 Say: Do you await for us but one of two most excellent
things? And we await for you that Allah will afflict you with punishment
from Himself or by our hands. So wait; we too will wait with you.
K 9:073
Set 44, Count 108 O Prophet! strive hard [Jihad] against the unbelievers
and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and
evil is the destination.
K 9:081
Set 45, Count 109 Those who were left behind were glad on account of
their sitting behind Allah's Apostle and they were averse from striving m
Allah's way [Jihad] with their property and their persons, and said: Do not
go forth [to Jihad] in the heat. Say: The fire of hell is much severe in
heat. Would that they understood (it).
K 9:083
Set 46, Count 110 Therefore if Allah brings you back to a party of them
and then they ask your permission to go forth, say: By no means shall you
ever go forth with me and by no means shall you fight an enemy with me [in
Jihad]; surely you chose to sit the first time, therefore sit (now) with
those who remain behind.
K 9:086
Set 47, Count 111 And whenever a chapter is revealed, saying: Believe in
Allah and strive hard [in Jihad] along with His Apostle, those having
ampleness of means ask permission of you and say: Leave us (behind), that we
may be with those who sit.
K 9:088
Set 48, Count 112 But the Apostle and those who believe with him strive
hard [in Jihad] with their property and their persons; and these it is who
shall have the good things and these it is who shall be successful.
K 9:092
Set 49, Count 113 Yusuf Ali: Nor (is there blame) on those who came to
thee to be provided with mounts [saddles on which to go to war], and when
thou said, "I can find no mounts for you," they turned back, their eyes
streaming with tears of grief that they had no resources wherewith to
provide the expenses [to go on Jihad].
K 9:111
Set 50, Count 114 Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons
and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in
Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him
in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his
covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made;
and that is the mighty achievement.
K 9:120
Set 51, Count 115 Yusuf Ali: It was not fitting for the people of Madina
and the Bedouin Arabs of the neighborhood, to refuse to follow Allah's
Messenger, nor to prefer their own lives to his: because nothing could they
suffer or do, but was reckoned to their credit as a deed of righteousness,-
whether they suffered thirst, or fatigue, or hunger, in the cause of Allah [
while on a march to Jihad], or trod paths to raise the ire of the
Unbelievers [invade their territory], or received any injury whatever from
an enemy [during a Jihad battle]: for Allah suffers not the reward to be
lost of those who do good;
K 9:122-123
Set 52, Count 116+117 [9.122] Pickthall: And the believers should not all
go out to fight. Of every troop of them, a party only should go forth, that
they (who are left behind) may gain sound knowledge in religion, and that
they may warn their folk when they return to them, so that they may beware.
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to
you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who
guard (against evil).
K 16:110
Set 53, Count 118 Yusuf Ali: But verily thy Lord,- to those who leave
their homes after trials and persecutions,- and who thereafter strive and
fight for the faith and patiently persevere,- Thy Lord, after all this is
oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
K 22:039
Set 54, Count 119 Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war
is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to
assist them;
K 22:058
Set 55, Count 120 Sher Ali: And those who leave their homes for the cause
of Allah, and are then slain or die, Allah will, surely, provide for them a
goodly provision. And, surely, Allah is the Best of providers.
K 22:078
Set 56, Count 121 And strive hard [in Jihad] in (the way of) Allah, (such
) a striving a is due to Him; He has chosen you and has not laid upon you a
hardship in religion; the faith of your father Ibrahim; He named you Muslims
before and in this, that the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you,
and you may be bearers of witness to the people; therefore keep up prayer
and pay the poor-rate and hold fast by Allah; He is your Guardian; how
excellent the Guardian and how excellent the Helper!
K 24:053
Set 57, Count 122 And they swear by Allah with the most energetic of
their oaths that if you command them they would certainly go forth [to Jihad
(see K 024:055)]. Say: Swear not; reasonable obedience (is desired); surely
Allah is aware of what you do.
K 24:055
Set 58, Count 123 Allah has promised to those of you who believe and do
good that He will most certainly make them rulers in the earth [as a reward
for going on Jihad (see K 024:053)] as He made rulers those before them, and
that He will most certainly establish for them their religion which He has
chosen for them, and that He will most certainly, after their fear, give
them security in exchange; they shall serve Me, not associating aught with
Me; and whoever is ungrateful after this, these it is who are the
transgressors.
K 25:052
Set 59, Count 124 Palmer: So obey not the unbelievers and fight
strenuously with them in many a strenuous fight.
K 29:006
Set 60, Count 125 And whoever strives hard [in Jihad], he strives only
for his own soul; most surely Allah is Self-sufficient, above (need of) the
worlds.
K 29:069
Set 61, Count 126 And (as for) those who strive hard [in Jihad] for Us [
Allah], We will most certainly guide them in Our ways; and Allah is most
surely with the doers of good.
K 33:015
Set 62, Count 127 Pickthall: And verily they had already sworn unto Allah
that they would not turn their backs (to the foe) [in Jihad battle]. An
oath to Allah must be answered for.
K 33:018
Set 63, Count 128 Allah knows indeed those among you who hinder others
and those who say to their brethren: Come to us; and they come not to the
fight [Jihad] but a little,
K 33:020
Set 64, Count 129 They think the allies are not gone, and if the allies
should come (again) they would fain [gladly] be in the deserts with the
desert Arabs asking for news about you, and if they were among you they
would not fight save a little [in Jihad].
K 33:023
Set 65, Count 130 Pickthall: Of the believers are men who are true to
that which they covenanted with Allah. Some of them have paid their vow by
death (in battle), and some of them still are waiting; and they have not
altered in the least.
K 33:25-27
Set 66, Count 131-133 [33.25] And Allah turned back the unbelievers in
their rage; they did not obtain any advantage, and Allah sufficed the
believers in fighting; and Allah is Strong, Mighty. [33.26] And He drove
down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their
fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some [Jews] you killed and you
took captive another part. [33.27] And He made you heirs to their [Jewish]
land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have
not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
K 33:050
Set 67, Count 134 O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives
whom you have given their dowries, and those [captive women] whom your
right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners
of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your
paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters
of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave
herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her—specially for
you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them
concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order
that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
K 42:039
Set 68, Count 135 Sale: ...and who, when an injury is done them, avenge
themselves...
K 47:004
Set 69, Count 136 So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then
smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them)
prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom
(themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had
pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He
may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in
the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
K 47:020
Set 70, Count 137 And those who believe say: Why has not a chapter been
revealed? But when a decisive chapter is revealed, and fighting [allusion to
Jihad] is mentioned therein you see those in whose hearts is a disease look
to you with the look of one fainting because of death. Woe to them then!
K 47:035
Set 71, Count 138 Rodwell: Be not fainthearted then; and invite not the
infidels to peace when ye have the upper hand: for God is with you, and will
not defraud you of the recompense of your works...
K 48:15-24
Set 72, Count 139-148 [48.15] Pickthall: Those who were left behind will
say, when ye set forth to capture booty: Let us go with you. They fain would
change the verdict of Allah. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Ye shall not go
with us. Thus hath Allah said beforehand. Then they will say: Ye are envious
of us. Nay, but they understand not, save a little. [48.16] Shakir: Say to
those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind: You shall soon be
invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty prowess; you will
fight against them until they submit; then if you obey, Allah will grant you
a good reward [booty]; and if you turn back as you turned back before, He
will punish you with a painful punishment. [48.17] Pickthall: There is no
blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for
the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His
messenger [by going on Jihad], He will make him enter Gardens underneath
which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back [from Jihad], him will He punish
with a painful doom. [48.18] Certainly Allah was well pleased with the
believers when they swore allegiance to you under the tree, and He knew what
was in their hearts, so He sent down tranquility on them and rewarded them
with a near victory, [48.19] And much booty that they will capture. Allah is
ever Mighty, Wise. [48.20] Allah promised you many acquisitions which you
will take, then He hastened on this one for you and held back the hands of
men from you, and that it may be a sign for the believers and that He may
guide you on a right path. [48.21] Sale: And [he also promiseth you] other [
spoils], which ye have not [yet] been able [to take]: But now hath God
encompassed them [for you]; and God is almighty. [48.22] And if those who
disbelieve fight with you, they would certainly turn (their) backs, then
they would not find any protector or a helper. [48.23] Such [i.e., the Jihad
mentioned the previous verse] has been the course [practice] of Allah that
has indeed run before, and you shall not find a change in Allah’s course. [
48.24] And He [Allah] it is Who held back their hands from you and your
hands from them [in Jihad] in the valley of Mecca after He had given you
victory over them; and Allah is Seeing what you do.
K 49:015
Set 73, Count 149 Sale: Verily the true believers [are] those only who
believe in God and his apostle, and afterwards doubt not; and who employ
their substance and their persons in the defense of God's true religion:
These are they who speak sincerely.
K 59:002
Set 74, Count 150 He it is Who caused those who disbelieved of the
followers of the Book to go forth from their homes at the first banishment
you did not think that they would go forth, while they were certain that
their fortresses would defend them against Allah; but Allah came to them
whence they did not expect, and cast terror into their hearts; they
demolished their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers
[i.e. Muslims demolished Jewish homes]; therefore take a lesson, O you who
have eyes!
K 59:5-8
Set 75, Count 151-154 Pickthall:[59.5] Whatsoever palm-trees you cut—cut
down or left standing on their roots [during a Jihad siege of the Jews at
Madina], it was by Allah's leave, in order that He might confound the evil-
livers [Jews]. [59.6] And that which Allah gave as spoil unto His messenger
from them, you urged not any horse or riding-camel for the sake thereof, but
Allah gives His messenger lordship over whom He will. Allah is Able to do
all things. [59.7] That which Allah gives as [war] spoil unto His messenger
from the people of the townships [Jews], it is for Allah and His messenger
and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, that
it become not a commodity between the rich among you. And whatsoever [
spoils] the messenger gives you, take it. And whatsoever he forbids, abstain
(from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal. [59
.8] And (it is) for the poor fugitives who have been driven out from their
homes and their belongings, who seek bounty [war spoils] from Allah and help
Allah and His messenger. They are the loyal.
K 59:014
Set 76, Count 155 They will not fight against you in a body save in
fortified towns or from behind walls; their fighting between them is severe,
you may think them as one body, and their hearts are disunited; that is
because they are a people who have no sense.
K 60:009
Set 77, Count 156 Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war
upon you on account of (your) religion [i.e., no fraternizing with the enemy
], and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your
expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with
them, these are the unjust.
K 61:004
Set 78, Count 157 Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way in ranks
as if they were a firm and compact wall.
K 61:011
Set 79, Count 158 You shall believe in Allah and His Apostle, and
struggle hard in Allah's way [Jihad] with your property and your lives; that
is better for you, did you but know!
K 61:013
Set 80, Count 159 And yet another (blessing) that you love: help from
Allah and a victory [in Jihad] near at hand; and give good news to the
believers.
K 63:004
Set 81, Count 160 And when you see them, their persons will please you,
and If they speak, you will listen to their speech; (they are) as if they
were big pieces of wood clad with garments; they think every cry to be
against them. They are the enemy, therefore beware of them; may Allah
destroy them, whence are they turned back? [This verse speaks of internecine
Jihad against Muslims deemed infidels or "hypocrites."]
K 64:014
Set 82, Count 161 O you who believe! surely from among your wives and
your children there is an enemy to you; therefore beware of them [
collaborators with the enemy, especially if the women were once war spoils];
and if you pardon and forbear and forgive, then surely Allah is Forgiving,
Merciful.
K 66:009
Set 83, Count 162 O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the
hypocrites, and be hard against them; and their abode is hell; and evil is
the resort.
K 73:020
Set 84, Count 163 Surely your Lord knows that you pass in prayer nearly
two-thirds of the night, and (sometimes) half of it, and (sometimes) a third
of it, and (also) a party of those with you; and Allah measures the night
and the day. He knows that you are not able to do it, so He has turned to
you (mercifully), therefore read what is easy of the Quran. He knows that
there must be among you sick, and others who travel in the land seeking of
the bounty of Allah, and others who fight in Allah's way, therefore read as
much of it as is easy (to you), and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and
offer to Allah a goodly gift, and whatever of good you send on beforehand
for yourselves, you will find it with Allah; that is best and greatest in
reward; and ask forgiveness of Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
K 76:008
Set 85, Count 164 And they [Muslims] give food out of love for Him [Allah
] to the poor and the orphan and the captive [of Jihad]... | X*****u
发帖数: 1780 | 40 老兄,别拿无知当个性.一夫多妻制，在多数的伊斯兰国家都有好不好.连亚洲的马来西
亚,中东最开明的伊朗都是.
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【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 看了那么多的回帖，要嘛说是坑，要嘛是嘲讽的，本来不想再回帖了，但是想要澄清几
: 件事，为她和穆斯林讨个公道：
: 1. 我没说她要求我做什么，只是她的一个希望，更确切是个梦想，她是理解我和尊重
: 我的人生价值观的。这就是我为什么爱她。
: 2. 怎么又拿一夫多妻来开玩笑了。一夫多妻制，即使是多数的伊斯兰国家也不施行了
: ，更不要说在前苏联统治的中亚和中国共产党统治的穆斯林地区，早就被杜绝了。
: 3. 也不要拿恐怖分子来开玩笑了，99%的穆斯林从人性角度讲，跟你我一样，可能更人
: 性化。
: 4. 她有什么必要要骗我入教? 她又不拿介绍费，贩卖我又不值几个钱，我又不是个妙
: 龄少女。说我骗她还有些逻辑。
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发帖数: 852 | 41 应该是猪腰子、鞋拔子脸
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【在 X*****u 的大作中提到】
: 老兄,别拿无知当个性.一夫多妻制，在多数的伊斯兰国家都有好不好.连亚洲的马来西
: 亚,中东最开明的伊朗都是.
: BTW.吉尔吉斯人有什么好看的,大饼脸,小眼睛跟棒子整容前差不多.
| h*******e
发帖数: 351 | | h*******e
发帖数: 351 | 43 这个民族自豪感来得太容易了吧，跟着成吉思汗的也算古老民族了？成吉思汗除了一堆
马粪，还留下什么别的没有？
【在 G**********y 的大作中提到】
: 听着Too good to be true.
: 很久前接触过一些苏联柯尔克孜20多岁的男孩女孩，感觉没有这么宗教狂热，觉得还没
: 有国内的克族狂热。实际上和很多信仰伊斯兰的其他民族比起来，克族并不狂热。只是
: 觉得他们民族自豪感挺强的，是跟着成吉思汗征服天下的古老民族之一。
: 也许现在世道变了，伊斯兰凝聚力更强了。
: 你要是“嫁”过去，要到清真寺洗肠子。
| h*******e
发帖数: 351 | 44 这个民族自豪感来得太容易了吧，跟着成吉思汗的也算古老民族了？成吉思汗除了一堆
马粪，还留下什么别的没有？
【在 G**********y 的大作中提到】
: 听着Too good to be true.
: 很久前接触过一些苏联柯尔克孜20多岁的男孩女孩，感觉没有这么宗教狂热，觉得还没
: 有国内的克族狂热。实际上和很多信仰伊斯兰的其他民族比起来，克族并不狂热。只是
: 觉得他们民族自豪感挺强的，是跟着成吉思汗征服天下的古老民族之一。
: 也许现在世道变了，伊斯兰凝聚力更强了。
: 你要是“嫁”过去，要到清真寺洗肠子。
| h*******e
发帖数: 351 | | h*******e
发帖数: 351 | 46 就是因为住在美国才担心吧，住在中国还担心什么。
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】
: 信仰穆斯林可以娶4个太太？开玩笑了。
: 其实这么好的事，为什么不认真考虑，你可以信仰伊斯兰教，但是可以在家里信，不一
: 定要参加他们活动的，并且你住在美国，担心什么？只要未来不合她父母在一起住就可
: 以了。
| h*******e
发帖数: 351 | 47 就是因为住在美国才担心吧，住在中国还担心什么。
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】
: 信仰穆斯林可以娶4个太太？开玩笑了。
: 其实这么好的事，为什么不认真考虑，你可以信仰伊斯兰教，但是可以在家里信，不一
: 定要参加他们活动的，并且你住在美国，担心什么？只要未来不合她父母在一起住就可
: 以了。
| h*******e
发帖数: 351 | 48 就是因为住在美国才担心吧，住在中国还担心什么。
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】
: 信仰穆斯林可以娶4个太太？开玩笑了。
: 其实这么好的事，为什么不认真考虑，你可以信仰伊斯兰教，但是可以在家里信，不一
: 定要参加他们活动的，并且你住在美国，担心什么？只要未来不合她父母在一起住就可
: 以了。
| k**t
发帖数: 1108 | 49 好大的坑，柯尔克孜族中国也有，是相当世俗化的，更偏向于游牧民族的特性。
柯尔克孜（吉尔吉斯）族经常出美女，中亚历史上几场重大战役是由吉尔吉斯美女引起
，中亚版的红颜祸水，呵呵。准格尔战争时期，中亚部落曾经因为争抢吉尔吉斯公主而
内讧，规模之大甚至影响了现代新疆的民族成分。
呵呵，一点野史趣事。
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| H**r
发帖数: 10015 | | | | m**a
发帖数: 602 | 51 如果她不是那么非常信的那种，只是为了对家人有个交代，你可以考虑加入，他们好像
确实挺拿这个当回事。我身边有很多例子，女生自己也不信，还是让老公入教了。他们
都是女生从小在西方长大，吃吃喝喝什么的都没有忌讳，对生活没啥影响。
如果她本人特别拿这个信仰当回事，这不行那不行的，劝你还是算了吧，宗教本来就荒
谬，他们那个宗教尤其荒谬。如果很相爱，两个人能达成共识的情况下，不结婚也无所
谓。 | a******d
发帖数: 15 | 52 洗肠子痛苦么？
怎么洗？
【在 G**********y 的大作中提到】
: 听着Too good to be true.
: 很久前接触过一些苏联柯尔克孜20多岁的男孩女孩，感觉没有这么宗教狂热，觉得还没
: 有国内的克族狂热。实际上和很多信仰伊斯兰的其他民族比起来，克族并不狂热。只是
: 觉得他们民族自豪感挺强的，是跟着成吉思汗征服天下的古老民族之一。
: 也许现在世道变了，伊斯兰凝聚力更强了。
: 你要是“嫁”过去，要到清真寺洗肠子。
| d*******r
发帖数: 3875 | 53 扯吧。混居地方通婚的多了，回族跟汉族已经差不多了
【在 z********6 的大作中提到】
: 回汗不通婚，除非你加入穆斯林，（差不多要）舍弃你现在的家庭。生活差别会很大，
: 一切都要按照古兰
: 经。但是不是随便就可以加入伊斯兰教的，除非你有熟人当阿訇，或在他们中间生活了
: 很久。
: 另一个办法就是女方和你私奔，但是风险很大，如果被抓住会有生命危险。。。
: 我教你一个办法，就是先谈着朋友，至于今后是否结婚的事你不用那么早考虑，毕竟你
: 现在还小，有可能是
: 一时热血冲头，处一段时间才知道会不会发展到结婚
| h*******e
发帖数: 351 | 54 这个就是不对等啊，拼什么搂住要考虑是否加入伊斯兰，而对方却一点也不考虑脱离伊
斯兰。
如果要对等双方都要严肃考虑，一方面考虑是否加入，一方考虑是否脱离
【在 m**a 的大作中提到】
: 如果她不是那么非常信的那种，只是为了对家人有个交代，你可以考虑加入，他们好像
: 确实挺拿这个当回事。我身边有很多例子，女生自己也不信，还是让老公入教了。他们
: 都是女生从小在西方长大，吃吃喝喝什么的都没有忌讳，对生活没啥影响。
: 如果她本人特别拿这个信仰当回事，这不行那不行的，劝你还是算了吧，宗教本来就荒
: 谬，他们那个宗教尤其荒谬。如果很相爱，两个人能达成共识的情况下，不结婚也无所
: 谓。
| g********1
发帖数: 143 | 55 楼主就入了吧。就算是卧底，准备改造伊斯兰，也为了后来人娶伊斯兰美女方便一点。
这样给自己找好了理由，怎么操作都可以。就算改造不成功，楼主也损失不大。 | l*****k
发帖数: 5933 | 56 你歇了吧。
挖这种烂坑你觉得有意思吗？
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| z*******g
发帖数: 1541 | 57 假装信一下不要紧的。
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 58 为什么木虱吝女的不可以嫁非木虱吝男的,但木虱吝男的可以取非木虱吝女的? 这个不
是明显的歧视女性?
没看新闻? 巴基斯坦一个医生把一张名片扔掉,结果名片主人告到政府去说名片主人的
名字和没喊没得一样, 所以医生犯了亵渎罪, 被政府抓起来了. 这个和以前文革得时候
,老农民用有老猫得照片得报纸糊窗户被抓起来有什么两样?
【在 c*******m 的大作中提到】
: "这种落后的宗教还是算了吧"?
| f****s
发帖数: 5631 | 59 坑
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| j*******i
发帖数: 2424 | 60 how about you both become Christians? so you both still can have "common
spirit pursue".
since you are old cow and she is young grass, you have to sacrafy something
to eat the young grass.
about the age, when you are 60's and dead, she is still young and can marry
another young man and pursuade him to become muslim, oh yeah, what a
successful woman! | | | j*******i
发帖数: 2424 | 61 I used to have a huihui gf and she is pretty, she asked the following things
to marry her:
1. buy a big house in beijing
2. don't eat pork anymore (i love pork food)
so we broke up | z****e
发帖数: 54598 | | X*****u
发帖数: 1780 | | c**2
发帖数: 8496 | 64 and she was a model? That alone is against her religion. | s****o
发帖数: 488 | | A***6
发帖数: 243 | 66 Keep open mind, try to learn it and also ask her to learn Chinese culture (
Daoism etc.). Many Chinese are belonging to one church or another,
especially when they are in US. You don't have to believe in it 100%. Just
learn the good part. Most belief systems share some common values, and they
all have problems too. God is perfect only because it is not on earth.
People are designed to grow by trial and error, therefore error is part of
the design. Religion is interpreted by people, therefore there will always
be problems. Non-religious belief has problems too. | w*****e
发帖数: 226 | 67 一点点建议吧，
我是基督徒，我女朋友是latino，也是基督徒，我们从相识就是在bible study里面开
始的。我们两个现在就等着都稳定下来了好结婚。基本上来说，从信仰到肉体，是非常
容易的，要从肉体到信仰，是极度痛苦的。我觉得你的她还比较小，可能还没有认识到
自己对你的physical爱慕和精神上对你的爱慕的区别，或者你自己还没有完全认清这个
事情。我建议你真的要keep open mind,人对信仰的需要都是客观存在的，atheist也是
一种信仰。信仰一致，可以把婚姻变成一件很美好的事情。不要听人们对穆斯林的偏见
的想法，这和那些对我们中国人有偏见的人没什么区别。信仰本身是跨越种族文化的，
是你们关系的最好出发点。我觉得你要是真的喜欢她，不要强求她改变信仰变成
atheist，也不要强求自己去信穆斯林，但是要去seek out the possiblity of
knowing God. 多看看有关她信仰的书，就算你不信，不也是有好处么。客观的说，当
然没有一开始就信仰一致好，但是也要有信心，相信老天既然把你们撮合到一起，就是
有原因的。不管怎么说，千万不要为了肉体上的欲望去做傻事。从根本上解决不了问题
，所有肉欲最后都会变成一场空。Physical attraction following the spiritual
attraction is the right way.
解决了信仰问题，年龄差距就不是问题，相貌，财富也无所谓了。所谓纲举目张。
另外关于信仰，说白了就是另外一门语言，另一套公理系统，不是不能改变学不会的。
由于实际问题的存在，自然就会有信仰实用的地方。当然了，学习信仰的最大问题就是
，单纯的模仿，而不是真的相信，只会带来更多的痛苦，所以有时候信仰有点像上天的
安排，上天安排你学习文，你学习理就吃劲了。
想想过30年，你和她都老的不成样子的时候，谁也不会在乎她的容貌，世界上也是中国
人最牛逼了。只有你们共同的信仰，才会让你们幸福。这女生不傻，知道该找什么样的
人，应该也是有点经历，至少是良好的家庭教育。
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| w*****e
发帖数: 226 | 68 另外提醒一点，所有回文里面的，关于你外F了就怎么怎么样，要么崇拜，要么贬低，
要么质疑，请通通忽视。个人经验，大部分这种态度的人都不是很清楚情况，一厢情愿
从自己发泄的目的出发。其实跨种族婚姻和同种族婚姻没什么区别，都是共同语言第一
，物质基础第二。（或者老天安排第一，这个世界上的物欲的事情第二）。说到底结婚
过日子，还是两情相悦，长远眼光重要。只是跨种族婚姻有它特殊的困难和幸福而已。
平常心就可以了。
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| S******8
发帖数: 86 | 69 好坑， 哈哈！
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| v******Y
发帖数: 1161 | | | | w*****e
发帖数: 226 | 71 I think she is much more mature than most of the people here.
Good luck and God bless.
It can be the best thing of your life.
况且我们认识还不
么是适合我的好女
亲爱的）"。 我
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 没那么严重。
: 其实我自从从上个婚姻中出来后，压根就没想再结婚，我也跟她说过没打算再结婚，况且我们认识还不
: 到一年。不过我现在真是越来越喜欢她，经过这么多次感情和婚姻，我应该能看出什么是适合我的好女
: 人，我觉她符合很多好女人的元素。她现在还年轻，还在成长，会越来越成熟。
: 每当我说我没想打算再结婚的时候，刚开始她还说，“我不管，反正能和你在一起就行
: 了。” 现在她的回答更成熟了,"时间会告诉我们一切的，别想太多，Janym (柯语：亲爱的）"。 我
: 有时觉得，她说话比我还老练，只有微笑着摇头。
| S******u
发帖数: 195 | 72 我好朋友曾经的男朋友是穆斯林，人特别特别好，我觉得我的朋友如果错过他，就找不
到更好的了，所以一直劝她结婚，但是宗教信仰问题一直是大问题。我说如果你爱他，
就信了吧，况且他们也没有要求女的一定要信穆斯林，天主基督都可以的。可是，几年
以后，他们还是分手了，问题在孩子的信仰，朋友她没法接受她将来的孩子没有信仰的
自由，只能信穆斯林。
如果是我，孩子这一条估计我也过不了心理关。 | w*****e
发帖数: 226 | 73 The most painful thing is to fake your belief for some other purpose, you
will eventually suffer more than what you got from the faking.
On the contrary, if you keep seeking for the truth in other beliefs, you
will find it and become encouraged by both the belief and the personal
relationship which you desire.
【在 S******u 的大作中提到】
: 我好朋友曾经的男朋友是穆斯林，人特别特别好，我觉得我的朋友如果错过他，就找不
: 到更好的了，所以一直劝她结婚，但是宗教信仰问题一直是大问题。我说如果你爱他，
: 就信了吧，况且他们也没有要求女的一定要信穆斯林，天主基督都可以的。可是，几年
: 以后，他们还是分手了，问题在孩子的信仰，朋友她没法接受她将来的孩子没有信仰的
: 自由，只能信穆斯林。
: 如果是我，孩子这一条估计我也过不了心理关。
| z********6
发帖数: 852 | 74 你竟然还敢娶劳模？不怕她家亲戚都偷渡过来？
【在 w*****e 的大作中提到】
: 一点点建议吧，
: 我是基督徒，我女朋友是latino，也是基督徒，我们从相识就是在bible study里面开
: 始的。我们两个现在就等着都稳定下来了好结婚。基本上来说，从信仰到肉体，是非常
: 容易的，要从肉体到信仰，是极度痛苦的。我觉得你的她还比较小，可能还没有认识到
: 自己对你的physical爱慕和精神上对你的爱慕的区别，或者你自己还没有完全认清这个
: 事情。我建议你真的要keep open mind,人对信仰的需要都是客观存在的，atheist也是
: 一种信仰。信仰一致，可以把婚姻变成一件很美好的事情。不要听人们对穆斯林的偏见
: 的想法，这和那些对我们中国人有偏见的人没什么区别。信仰本身是跨越种族文化的，
: 是你们关系的最好出发点。我觉得你要是真的喜欢她，不要强求她改变信仰变成
: atheist，也不要强求自己去信穆斯林，但是要去seek out the possiblity of
| s**********r
发帖数: 8153 | 75 LZ真是重口味啊，又是韩国女又是穆斯林。。。。 | j*******3
发帖数: 34 | 76 这是目前我看到最好的回贴， 谢谢了。
到这来分享自己的经历，无非就是想找个共鸣，分享写类似的经验，相互交流和鼓励。
她确实是不错的女孩，其实在生活上很多方面和我们没有太多差别，她也喜欢听流行音
乐，很多王菲的歌，最逗的是她特迷韩剧，斐永俊和别的韩星的posters房间里到处都
是，也特别喜欢蹦迪，典型的大学生。但是跟我在一起后，基本就跟我窝在一起，因为
我老骨头一把，跳不动了，只有给我做饭在家，看韩剧，打高尔夫，爬山，运动运动，
为我改变了许多。还学了不少的中文，简单是日常话。
不像那些人想象的那样，好像是个外星球来的人一样。
【在 w*****e 的大作中提到】
: 一点点建议吧，
: 我是基督徒，我女朋友是latino，也是基督徒，我们从相识就是在bible study里面开
: 始的。我们两个现在就等着都稳定下来了好结婚。基本上来说，从信仰到肉体，是非常
: 容易的，要从肉体到信仰，是极度痛苦的。我觉得你的她还比较小，可能还没有认识到
: 自己对你的physical爱慕和精神上对你的爱慕的区别，或者你自己还没有完全认清这个
: 事情。我建议你真的要keep open mind,人对信仰的需要都是客观存在的，atheist也是
: 一种信仰。信仰一致，可以把婚姻变成一件很美好的事情。不要听人们对穆斯林的偏见
: 的想法，这和那些对我们中国人有偏见的人没什么区别。信仰本身是跨越种族文化的，
: 是你们关系的最好出发点。我觉得你要是真的喜欢她，不要强求她改变信仰变成
: atheist，也不要强求自己去信穆斯林，但是要去seek out the possiblity of
| L*******B
发帖数: 837 | 77 有爱，又能相处不是很好吗？ 信仰的差距会在互相尊重的基础上找到一个平衡点，有
什么好担心的？
真是很想问你为什么30几岁就老说自己老？60岁的时候你怎么看自己年龄？
明明就是夸大那点差别, 感觉就是正常的恋爱啊，不是你臆想的孽缘。
是来晒幸福吧？那就祝福一下，偷乐去吧。 | L*****s
发帖数: 24744 | | M****n
发帖数: 757 | 79 Lolita?
看来这青春是难敌啊！她跟你女儿差几岁？ | w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 80 当年上帝干的不比这个绝？
【在 z********6 的大作中提到】
: 你知识面宽的话就告诉我古兰经为什么要说这些极端语言
: “与你作战的人，你要为阿拉与他们争战。”
: “你抓到他们，要杀死他们。他们把你从何处驱逐，你就要将他们从何处驱逐。因为骚
: 乱和迫害更甚于屠杀。
: ”
: “你不想争战，也得争战。你可能不爱做于你有益的事，却爱做对你有损的事。你不知
: 道，但阿拉知道。”
: “为阿拉而战的，是把今生换来生。为阿拉而战的——不论战死战胜——不久都必得大
: 赏。”
: 对于非回教徒：“你在哪处看到他们，就抓住他们，杀死他们：无论如何，总不要和他
| | | w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 81 你真无聊，一个坑你也能写着么多废话
【在 w*****e 的大作中提到】
: 一点点建议吧，
: 我是基督徒，我女朋友是latino，也是基督徒，我们从相识就是在bible study里面开
: 始的。我们两个现在就等着都稳定下来了好结婚。基本上来说，从信仰到肉体，是非常
: 容易的，要从肉体到信仰，是极度痛苦的。我觉得你的她还比较小，可能还没有认识到
: 自己对你的physical爱慕和精神上对你的爱慕的区别，或者你自己还没有完全认清这个
: 事情。我建议你真的要keep open mind,人对信仰的需要都是客观存在的，atheist也是
: 一种信仰。信仰一致，可以把婚姻变成一件很美好的事情。不要听人们对穆斯林的偏见
: 的想法，这和那些对我们中国人有偏见的人没什么区别。信仰本身是跨越种族文化的，
: 是你们关系的最好出发点。我觉得你要是真的喜欢她，不要强求她改变信仰变成
: atheist，也不要强求自己去信穆斯林，但是要去seek out the possiblity of
| w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 82 你来这儿挖坑，这里的wsn多半都没见过洋逼
另外什么选美冠军就拉倒吧，小地方的，也就一貌美洋村姑而已
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| r*********e
发帖数: 29495 | 83 挺美好的,祝福一下
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| e*******7
发帖数: 2169 | 84 不是给拉登招聘的吧
【在 j*******3 的大作中提到】
: 我认识了她，一个大学生，从俄国来的柯尔克孜族女孩，不会讲中文。人很漂亮，
: 170cm 个子，以前在他们本地（小地方）的选美冠军，刚上大学的时候，当过一小段时
: 间的modeling,后来她父母不让她干了。现在在美国上大学。
: 她很爱我，对我很好很好，很体贴。我也很爱她。但是我们之间有两个问题：
: 1) 她是穆斯林，她说她父母只让她嫁穆斯林，问我能不能和她一起信仰伊斯兰。我说
: 信仰这东西，不是想信就信的。她说让我keep open mind, 去读读伊斯兰的书，试着了
: 解伊斯兰。
: 2）我们年龄差别大。她快22岁，而我都快奔四十了。
: 她真得很不错。我以前有个韩国女友，以为韩国女人才会懂得伺候男人。和她在一起后
: ，才知道还有对男人更好的女人。真是文化的差异。
| m***a
发帖数: 1175 | 85 古兰经没有说这些
【在 z********6 的大作中提到】
: 你知识面宽的话就告诉我古兰经为什么要说这些极端语言
: “与你作战的人，你要为阿拉与他们争战。”
: “你抓到他们，要杀死他们。他们把你从何处驱逐，你就要将他们从何处驱逐。因为骚
: 乱和迫害更甚于屠杀。
: ”
: “你不想争战，也得争战。你可能不爱做于你有益的事，却爱做对你有损的事。你不知
: 道，但阿拉知道。”
: “为阿拉而战的，是把今生换来生。为阿拉而战的——不论战死战胜——不久都必得大
: 赏。”
: 对于非回教徒：“你在哪处看到他们，就抓住他们，杀死他们：无论如何，总不要和他
| w****r
发帖数: 17566 | 86 说了啥？可以娶4个老婆？
【在 m***a 的大作中提到】
: 古兰经没有说这些
| m***a
发帖数: 1175 | 87 任何恶劣语言诋毁各种宗教的人，真的很可耻，你不了解，只是表面了解，就说恶劣的
话，太没素养。看到这些，真的很生气，三大宗教的宗旨都是教人向善，修养个人品质
的。 | m***a
发帖数: 1175 | 88 呵呵，没说是4个
【在 w****r 的大作中提到】
: 说了啥？可以娶4个老婆？
| w****r
发帖数: 17566 | 89 8个？
【在 m***a 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，没说是4个
| m***a
发帖数: 1175 | 90 嗯，够直接
【在 w****r 的大作中提到】
: 8个？
| | | X*****u
发帖数: 1780 | 91 宗教都是傻B,一死烂是傻B中的战斗机
【在 m***a 的大作中提到】
: 任何恶劣语言诋毁各种宗教的人，真的很可耻，你不了解，只是表面了解，就说恶劣的
: 话，太没素养。看到这些，真的很生气，三大宗教的宗旨都是教人向善，修养个人品质
: 的。
| j*******3
发帖数: 34 | 92 可能是我自己心里上没找到平衡点吧。如果我是四十好几，她是32岁，可能感觉会正常
点，但是当现在我三十好几快四十了，她才二十出头，自然觉得差别很大。
我跟她的年龄差，刚好等于她和我女儿的年龄差。
每当我跟她说完缠绵的话过后，都会情不自禁的反省自己。以前听到某某人跟年轻女生
谈恋爱的时候，都会想此人不晓得用什么花言巧语来骗取小姑娘的芳心，现在我自己又
有什么区别呢？但是我知道自己是爱她的，她也爱我。
也许我给自己太大的压力。我很想抛开我们之前的差距，好好去爱，100%去享受，不去
想别的，但是真的很不容易。
我喜欢她经常给我说一句话，“Don't think, just live”， 我想尽量去做到它。
【在 L*******B 的大作中提到】
: 有爱，又能相处不是很好吗？ 信仰的差距会在互相尊重的基础上找到一个平衡点，有
: 什么好担心的？
: 真是很想问你为什么30几岁就老说自己老？60岁的时候你怎么看自己年龄？
: 明明就是夸大那点差别, 感觉就是正常的恋爱啊，不是你臆想的孽缘。
: 是来晒幸福吧？那就祝福一下，偷乐去吧。
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