x*******a
发帖数: 11067 | 1 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22999595
看关于GMO的讨论的时候看到的。本来就讨厌ROUND-UP，这下次更不敢用了。
Abstract
Background
The health effects of a Roundup-tolerant NK603 genetically modified (GM)
maize (from 11% in the diet), cultivated with or without Roundup application
and Roundup alone (from 0.1 ppb of the full pesticide containing glyphosate
and adjuvants) in drinking water, were evaluated for 2 years in rats. This
study constitutes a follow-up investigation of a 90-day feeding study
conducted by Monsanto in order to obtain commercial release of this GMO,
employing the same rat strain and analyzing biochemical parameters on the
same number of animals per group as our investigation. Our research
represents the first chronic study on these substances, in which all
observations including tumors are reported chronologically. Thus, it was not
designed as a carcinogenicity study. We report the major findings with 34
organs observed and 56 parameters analyzed at 11 time points for most organs
.
Results
Biochemical analyses confirmed very significant chronic kidney deficiencies,
for all treatments and both sexes; 76% of the altered parameters were
kidney-related. In treated males, liver congestions and necrosis were 2.5 to
5.5 times higher. Marked and severe nephropathies were also generally 1.3
to 2.3 times greater. In females, all treatment groups showed a two- to
threefold increase in mortality, and deaths were earlier. This difference
was also evident in three male groups fed with GM maize. All results were
hormone- and sex-dependent, and the pathological profiles were comparable.
Females developed large mammary tumors more frequently and before controls;
the pituitary was the second most disabled organ; the sex hormonal balance
was modified by consumption of GM maize and Roundup treatments. Males
presented up to four times more large palpable tumors starting 600 days
earlier than in the control group, in which only one tumor was noted. These
results may be explained by not only the non-linear endocrine-disrupting
effects of Roundup but also by the overexpression of the EPSPS transgene or
other mutational effects in the GM maize and their metabolic consequences.
Conclusion
Our findings imply that long-term (2 year) feeding trials need to be
conducted to thoroughly evaluate the safety of GM foods and pesticides in
their full commercial formulations |
p********5
发帖数: 7433 | 2 1/2 男性，1/3女性会的。所以，担心什么？今天爽过开心过就可以了。 |
u****q
发帖数: 24345 | |
M******e
发帖数: 4179 | 4 是roundup致癌，还是抗roundup的作物的果实致癌？
roundup致癌的话，一点不奇怪。
【在 u****q 的大作中提到】
: 太长了，有没summary？
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s*****g
发帖数: 7857 | 5 至少有人置疑这个东西会造成小孩子的自闭症！
application
glyphosate
This
【在 x*******a 的大作中提到】
: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22999595
: 看关于GMO的讨论的时候看到的。本来就讨厌ROUND-UP，这下次更不敢用了。
: Abstract
: Background
: The health effects of a Roundup-tolerant NK603 genetically modified (GM)
: maize (from 11% in the diet), cultivated with or without Roundup application
: and Roundup alone (from 0.1 ppb of the full pesticide containing glyphosate
: and adjuvants) in drinking water, were evaluated for 2 years in rats. This
: study constitutes a follow-up investigation of a 90-day feeding study
: conducted by Monsanto in order to obtain commercial release of this GMO,
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a*****0
发帖数: 3319 | 6 parkinson's disease和除草剂也有关系，这病没法治，而且progressively worse. |
x*******a
发帖数: 11067 | 7 准备去退COSTCO买的ROUNDUP了。明年的杂草就拔吧，拔草减肥。 |
a*****0
发帖数: 3319 | 8 赞勤劳的同学。我老公是宁可受毒，也不愿受累。只能让我辛苦。
【在 x*******a 的大作中提到】
: 准备去退COSTCO买的ROUNDUP了。明年的杂草就拔吧，拔草减肥。
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x*******a
发帖数: 11067 | 9 其实拔不完过冬也就死了。
看来有点杂草的草坪就跟有洞的白菜一个道理啊。至少俺放心让娃和狗在草上跑。
以后给邻居也发一下宣传，或者在俺家草坪上立个小牌子：“无除草剂，娃和狗安全的
草坪”。
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】
: 赞勤劳的同学。我老公是宁可受毒，也不愿受累。只能让我辛苦。
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s*********0
发帖数: 2045 | 10 再仔细看一看，关键词：
Retraction in
Food Chem Toxicol. 2014 Jan;63:244.
application
glyphosate
This
【在 x*******a 的大作中提到】
: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22999595
: 看关于GMO的讨论的时候看到的。本来就讨厌ROUND-UP，这下次更不敢用了。
: Abstract
: Background
: The health effects of a Roundup-tolerant NK603 genetically modified (GM)
: maize (from 11% in the diet), cultivated with or without Roundup application
: and Roundup alone (from 0.1 ppb of the full pesticide containing glyphosate
: and adjuvants) in drinking water, were evaluated for 2 years in rats. This
: study constitutes a follow-up investigation of a 90-day feeding study
: conducted by Monsanto in order to obtain commercial release of this GMO,
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x*******a
发帖数: 11067 | 11 后来又发表了。他那个是因为攻击GMO反应太大。
【在 s*********0 的大作中提到】
: 再仔细看一看，关键词：
: Retraction in
: Food Chem Toxicol. 2014 Jan;63:244.
:
: application
: glyphosate
: This
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s*********0
发帖数: 2045 | 12 No. Retraction is retraction. It's retracted because this study has no merit
. It no longer exists in academia, only in bullshit fear mongering blogs.
后来又发表了where?
【在 x*******a 的大作中提到】
: 后来又发表了。他那个是因为攻击GMO反应太大。
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b*******c
发帖数: 20683 | 13 谁家大部分是好草的草坪有点杂草就上roundup的？用化肥和杀虫剂更普遍，刚撒的时
候，小孩和狗可不safe
【在 x*******a 的大作中提到】
: 其实拔不完过冬也就死了。
: 看来有点杂草的草坪就跟有洞的白菜一个道理啊。至少俺放心让娃和狗在草上跑。
: 以后给邻居也发一下宣传，或者在俺家草坪上立个小牌子：“无除草剂，娃和狗安全的
: 草坪”。
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w**7
发帖数: 5258 | 14 那法国人用的老鼠到了那岁数不长瘤子才是奇迹。
一惊一咋的吓唬自己才对身体不好。 |
x*******a
发帖数: 11067 | 15 Republished study: long-term toxicity of a Roundup herbicide and a Roundup-
tolerant genetically modified maize
http://www.enveurope.com/content/26/1/14
merit
【在 s*********0 的大作中提到】
: No. Retraction is retraction. It's retracted because this study has no merit
: . It no longer exists in academia, only in bullshit fear mongering blogs.
: 后来又发表了where?
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s*********0
发帖数: 2045 | 16 哦，原来这样，还真找了一个野鸡杂志republished。既然如此，那么这个研究一定是
对的咯......那么楼主请看图六第二行右图，里面几个bar graph：
0是control，只喝了水，结果10只有3只死亡，死亡率30%；
ABC是加了草甘膦，浓度越来越浓，结果C只有1只死亡。
所以结论是：吃草甘膦延寿，而且吃的越多越长寿。哈哈哈哈。
【在 x*******a 的大作中提到】
: Republished study: long-term toxicity of a Roundup herbicide and a Roundup-
: tolerant genetically modified maize
: http://www.enveurope.com/content/26/1/14
:
: merit
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w**7
发帖数: 5258 | 17 Dihydrogen monoxide 是致癌物早有定论。
【在 s*********0 的大作中提到】
: 哦，原来这样，还真找了一个野鸡杂志republished。既然如此，那么这个研究一定是
: 对的咯......那么楼主请看图六第二行右图，里面几个bar graph：
: 0是control，只喝了水，结果10只有3只死亡，死亡率30%；
: ABC是加了草甘膦，浓度越来越浓，结果C只有1只死亡。
: 所以结论是：吃草甘膦延寿，而且吃的越多越长寿。哈哈哈哈。
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x*******a
发帖数: 11067 | 18 对男的有化疗作用？
【在 s*********0 的大作中提到】
: 哦，原来这样，还真找了一个野鸡杂志republished。既然如此，那么这个研究一定是
: 对的咯......那么楼主请看图六第二行右图，里面几个bar graph：
: 0是control，只喝了水，结果10只有3只死亡，死亡率30%；
: ABC是加了草甘膦，浓度越来越浓，结果C只有1只死亡。
: 所以结论是：吃草甘膦延寿，而且吃的越多越长寿。哈哈哈哈。
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s*********0
发帖数: 2045 | 19 嗯，居家旅行必备良药。上面那个GMO也是男的吃的越多越长寿哦。
【在 x*******a 的大作中提到】
: 对男的有化疗作用？
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x*******a
发帖数: 11067 | 20 LOL
那到底ROUND UP 危险不危险呢？
【在 s*********0 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，居家旅行必备良药。上面那个GMO也是男的吃的越多越长寿哦。
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w**7
发帖数: 5258 | 21 万物皆有毒，只要剂量足。
Round Up 的 半致死量比氯化钠稍低。要让一群每只1kg的大鼠死掉一半，大概需要每
只大鼠喂9ml的草甘膦农药 或者8.3ml的食盐水。
【在 x*******a 的大作中提到】
: LOL
: 那到底ROUND UP 危险不危险呢？
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x*******a
发帖数: 11067 | 22 不是致死啊，是致癌或者扰乱激素。
【在 w**7 的大作中提到】
: 万物皆有毒，只要剂量足。
: Round Up 的 半致死量比氯化钠稍低。要让一群每只1kg的大鼠死掉一半，大概需要每
: 只大鼠喂9ml的草甘膦农药 或者8.3ml的食盐水。
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s*********0
发帖数: 2045 | 23 Roundup里面的Glyphosate草甘膦很安全，半致死量比氯化钠稍低。
但是Roundup瓶子里面不光是Glyphosate，还有相当的（15%）表面活性剂，那个东西很
毒，还是要小心。是农药就不要喝就对了。我记得查medline病例，喝Roundup毒死的大
多数是因为那个surfactant毒死。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethoxylated_tallow_amine
【在 w**7 的大作中提到】
: 万物皆有毒，只要剂量足。
: Round Up 的 半致死量比氯化钠稍低。要让一群每只1kg的大鼠死掉一半，大概需要每
: 只大鼠喂9ml的草甘膦农药 或者8.3ml的食盐水。
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c****o
发帖数: 32446 | 24 太专业了，老夫看不懂。不过你如果需要经常用roundup，那还是情人搞草地吧 |
x*******a
发帖数: 11067 | 25 对嘛。还是不好。这个东西降解否？挥发否？用完了多久娃和狗可以在上面跑？
【在 s*********0 的大作中提到】
: Roundup里面的Glyphosate草甘膦很安全，半致死量比氯化钠稍低。
: 但是Roundup瓶子里面不光是Glyphosate，还有相当的（15%）表面活性剂，那个东西很
: 毒，还是要小心。是农药就不要喝就对了。我记得查medline病例，喝Roundup毒死的大
: 多数是因为那个surfactant毒死。
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethoxylated_tallow_amine
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