c***z
发帖数: 6348 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
发信人: chaoz (没钱也任性), 信区: Working
标 题: [征文] To hell with Agile
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 14 14:44:12 2015, 美东)
Man I hate agile! It can go to hell.
1. This agile thing, and the general 'scientific management for innovation
work' hoax, is to mock the success in manufacture industry and it is doomed
to fail. It can't even motivate shit to stink.
2. Agile is a form of micro management and the main purpose of it, as well
as this open office thing and other craps, is for managers to express power
and control.
3. Agile development, as well as this trend of making programming a utility/
commodity like electricity, is to force the developers to focus on minor
things, rather than major things. In the eyes of the MBA a-holes, it is not
the developers' job to make decisions, we just need to implement their
decisions.
4. Agile and 'fail fast' is to encourage people to be irresponsible, and
sacrifice quality for speed, while there is no legit reason for doing so. It
is indeed a rare case when there are real reason to limit the time to work
on something, if it is actually important. A tight deadline is usually not a
sign of importance, but rather a sign for unimportance, because it is not
worthy of more time. | z******g
发帖数: 271 | | g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 3 In scrum the schedule is supposed to be bottom up, you decide how long it
takes to finish the job and everybody can see it. There is no excuse to have
low quality work.
doomed
power
【在 c***z 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
: 发信人: chaoz (没钱也任性), 信区: Working
: 标 题: [征文] To hell with Agile
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 14 14:44:12 2015, 美东)
: Man I hate agile! It can go to hell.
: 1. This agile thing, and the general 'scientific management for innovation
: work' hoax, is to mock the success in manufacture industry and it is doomed
: to fail. It can't even motivate shit to stink.
: 2. Agile is a form of micro management and the main purpose of it, as well
: as this open office thing and other craps, is for managers to express power
| c***z
发帖数: 6348 | 4 一直很崇拜大牛，但是我还是有保留意见。
First, for innovative work, it is hard to estimate time needed, since it has
never been done before. An honest answer would be:"It will be done when it
is done."
Second, many managers implement the scrum in a way to push for deadlines,
most of which are artificial, and can be unreasonable.
Third, the bottom up approach cannot help people focus on major things, like
I pointed in the OP.
have
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: In scrum the schedule is supposed to be bottom up, you decide how long it
: takes to finish the job and everybody can see it. There is no excuse to have
: low quality work.
:
: doomed
: power
| g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 5 Let's be honest. Most software engineer jobs don't need to be innovative.
And that's why agile methodologies can be effective. People are replaceable
and technologies being used are best mature. It's about maximizing
the output indeed. And it doesn't need engineers to see the bigger picture.
That's product owner's job. Agile is not a holy grail but whether it's good
or bad depending on your perspective. Do we want to be maximized? Probably
not. But you don't have the choice as an employee.
One thing is for sure though, people are lazy by nature. You can't really
count on a bunch of self-motivators to get the job done unless the incentive
is huge.
has
it
like
【在 c***z 的大作中提到】
: 一直很崇拜大牛，但是我还是有保留意见。
: First, for innovative work, it is hard to estimate time needed, since it has
: never been done before. An honest answer would be:"It will be done when it
: is done."
: Second, many managers implement the scrum in a way to push for deadlines,
: most of which are artificial, and can be unreasonable.
: Third, the bottom up approach cannot help people focus on major things, like
: I pointed in the OP.
:
: have
| c***z
发帖数: 6348 | 6 大牛说的对，以后会有两种SDE，明星SDE和龙套SDE，就像演艺界。
许多明星都是龙套出身，许多龙套都想成为明星。
其实我的观点是，如果某SDE现在是龙套，想成为明星，他就应该明白Agile是敌人。
replaceable
.
good
incentive
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Let's be honest. Most software engineer jobs don't need to be innovative.
: And that's why agile methodologies can be effective. People are replaceable
: and technologies being used are best mature. It's about maximizing
: the output indeed. And it doesn't need engineers to see the bigger picture.
: That's product owner's job. Agile is not a holy grail but whether it's good
: or bad depending on your perspective. Do we want to be maximized? Probably
: not. But you don't have the choice as an employee.
: One thing is for sure though, people are lazy by nature. You can't really
: count on a bunch of self-motivators to get the job done unless the incentive
: is huge.
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