a*******a
发帖数: 383 | 1 首先，我想说，差一个Baidu就集齐了MLGB
开个玩笑。。。
小弟今年大三，最后一个实习了，运气好，也多亏国人一路相助，意外得拿下这三家。
今后全职了，我有恩必报。
今年是拿出了找全职的心血去面试，为的就是拿到一个fulltime想去的公司，return，
大四就能正经学点有用的东西。现在看可能还是有点天真吧。。。一些细节如下：
G：NYC office，Google Wallet。host match的时候感觉project的define不是很清晰
，后来一问周围人都有类似感觉。不给fulltime return offer，等于明年还有再面一
轮。。。都是泪啊
L：已经拿到Monetization，consumer组正在pending，下周和组里人电话聊技术细节
M：Office team，可能会给我backend，server，cloud方面的project
这是个重要的决定，请各位前辈帮我看看该怎么选好。不方便公开说的，也欢迎私信。
十分感激！！ |
a*******a
发帖数: 383 | 2 LinkedIn return rate is 75% according to my recruiter |
h****e
发帖数: 2125 | 3 啥叫return rate，你想说turnover rate吧？
【在 a*******a 的大作中提到】
: LinkedIn return rate is 75% according to my recruiter
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h***k
发帖数: 161 | 4 from wiki:
In human resources context, turnover is the act of replacing an employee
with a new employee. Partings between organizations and employees consist of
retirements, deaths, interagency transfers, and resignations.
就是return offer的概率么。。好高啊，和amazon有一拼了吧。。或者更高？
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
: 啥叫return rate，你想说turnover rate吧？
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h****e
发帖数: 2125 | 5 我晕了，turnover是指炒人，return offer是指招过去intern成为full time。
of
【在 h***k 的大作中提到】
: from wiki:
: In human resources context, turnover is the act of replacing an employee
: with a new employee. Partings between organizations and employees consist of
: retirements, deaths, interagency transfers, and resignations.
: 就是return offer的概率么。。好高啊，和amazon有一拼了吧。。或者更高？
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a*******a
发帖数: 383 | 6 return offer rate
【在 h****e 的大作中提到】
: 啥叫return rate，你想说turnover rate吧？
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I*******d
发帖数: 108 | |
t*******0
发帖数: 15 | 8 I have met with several FB/Google interns in Bay Area.
Most of them rejected their return offer and decided to try another company
like airbnb/uber.
You will get interviews from all companies expect that they are hiring
freeze after intern at G/L. |
r*******e
发帖数: 971 | 9 大牛，Intern的等级怎么分 FLG显然是一档了，其它的怎么说？？
还有，这些实习是咋拿到的？虽然我肯定拿不到了。
company
【在 t*******0 的大作中提到】
: I have met with several FB/Google interns in Bay Area.
: Most of them rejected their return offer and decided to try another company
: like airbnb/uber.
: You will get interviews from all companies expect that they are hiring
: freeze after intern at G/L.
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C*********e
发帖数: 587 | 10 首先，F基本是根据intern的表现直接给return offer的，比例还可以。但是Google不
是，当然intern真的做的很好了的话转全职面试应该问题不大， 大部分人还是要很
serious的面试，且转正比例不高。而且G和F的实习人数很多的，相对hot startup的规模
company
【在 t*******0 的大作中提到】
: I have met with several FB/Google interns in Bay Area.
: Most of them rejected their return offer and decided to try another company
: like airbnb/uber.
: You will get interviews from all companies expect that they are hiring
: freeze after intern at G/L.
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h*****7
发帖数: 6781 | 11 L很差
G可以
[在 austurela (austurela) 的大作中提到：]
：首先，我想说，差一个Baidu就集齐了MLGB
：开个玩笑。。。
：........... |
w****i
发帖数: 9 | 12 G is stilling leading if only concern tech side. but more factors may weigh
more like location, and what you want to do in future. |
o******g
发帖数: 114 | 13 Choose either L or G, DO NOT go to M. |
a*******a
发帖数: 383 | 14 能细说L差的原因吗？
【在 h*****7 的大作中提到】
: L很差
: G可以
: [在 austurela (austurela) 的大作中提到：]
: ：首先，我想说，差一个Baidu就集齐了MLGB
: ：开个玩笑。。。
: ：...........
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p*****2
发帖数: 21240 | 15 主要是板上大牛刚从l跳到g吧
我觉得选l
m确实不用考虑
【在 a*******a 的大作中提到】
: 能细说L差的原因吗？
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a*******a
发帖数: 383 | 16 我来这不多，但好像你也是大牛啊，能说说选l得原因吗
【在 p*****2 的大作中提到】
: 主要是板上大牛刚从l跳到g吧
: 我觉得选l
: m确实不用考虑
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g**s
发帖数: 2331 | 17 楼主才不到22岁吧。有前途，找准自己感兴趣的领域，加油吧。
建议去G家。 |
a*******a
发帖数: 383 | 18 为啥g家啊大哥 能讲讲理由吗？现在问的人GL对半开，jiujie啊
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: 楼主才不到22岁吧。有前途，找准自己感兴趣的领域，加油吧。
: 建议去G家。
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g**s
发帖数: 2331 | 19 也没有什么最好的，你觉得适合就行了。我喜欢g家的原因是，在行业的前端，做的东
西面广，研究的深入，文化open。
福利待遇也是考虑的原因。
人和人差别很大，上班以后也是如此，有些人就那样了，有些人还在学习自己感兴趣的
东西，都没错，各有各的活法。你能自己不断提高自己，其实不用太纠结去哪里，都挺
好的。差不多。
别人说的也就是参考。
【在 a*******a 的大作中提到】
: 为啥g家啊大哥 能讲讲理由吗？现在问的人GL对半开，jiujie啊
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p*****2
发帖数: 21240 | 20 l公司小 impact更大些 成长也更快些
g太大了 想起来就没意思 当然也是看项目 看老板 看team
你的g在ny 不是mv 所以我觉得l在mv可能更好些
【在 a*******a 的大作中提到】
: 我来这不多，但好像你也是大牛啊，能说说选l得原因吗
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K***s
发帖数: 621 | 21 Office可能是M里面最差的选择了
充斥了办公室政治、20年老的代码和少得可怜的budget |
r****c
发帖数: 2585 | 22 L的monetization team不用去了 要知道原因给我信
【在 p*****2 的大作中提到】
: l公司小 impact更大些 成长也更快些
: g太大了 想起来就没意思 当然也是看项目 看老板 看team
: 你的g在ny 不是mv 所以我觉得l在mv可能更好些
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p*****2
发帖数: 21240 | 23 l哪个组比较好？
【在 r****c 的大作中提到】
: L的monetization team不用去了 要知道原因给我信
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y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 24 我个人感觉Google Wallet做的一坨，说明可以做的东西很多
【在 a*******a 的大作中提到】
: 首先，我想说，差一个Baidu就集齐了MLGB
: 开个玩笑。。。
: 小弟今年大三，最后一个实习了，运气好，也多亏国人一路相助，意外得拿下这三家。
: 今后全职了，我有恩必报。
: 今年是拿出了找全职的心血去面试，为的就是拿到一个fulltime想去的公司，return，
: 大四就能正经学点有用的东西。现在看可能还是有点天真吧。。。一些细节如下：
: G：NYC office，Google Wallet。host match的时候感觉project的define不是很清晰
: ，后来一问周围人都有类似感觉。不给fulltime return offer，等于明年还有再面一
: 轮。。。都是泪啊
: L：已经拿到Monetization，consumer组正在pending，下周和组里人电话聊技术细节
|
a*******a
发帖数: 383 | 25 谢谢楼上各位前辈 每一条回答我都仔细看了好几次 十分感谢！ |
y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 26 其实很难讲，我只是觉得google wallet很难用，感觉周边也没什么人用
如果放重点做，有很多机会，但也有可能就边缘化了
【在 a*******a 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢楼上各位前辈 每一条回答我都仔细看了好几次 十分感谢！
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i******s
发帖数: 301 | 27 去G, 但最好是去MTV总部。L是不错，但是G文化更好(这个你怎么看了, 反正G的饭很烂
)。G更像大学，学习资源很丰富，牛人还在。 |
g********t
发帖数: 212 | 28 M跟其他两个根本不是一个档次的，不能放在一起比。不要考虑M，除非功成名就去做很
高的level的。
【在 a*******a 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢楼上各位前辈 每一条回答我都仔细看了好几次 十分感谢！
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 29
L啥也不是，才赚几个钱还跟M比档次。G家那个WALLET也不是很有谱之位。
【在 g********t 的大作中提到】
: M跟其他两个根本不是一个档次的，不能放在一起比。不要考虑M，除非功成名就去做很
: 高的level的。
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 30
Ignore anything L throws at you. They have been around for 8 years
at least and hire 5000 people, and yet they only produce about 30M
annual net profit. I mean are you friggin' kidding me?? Only 30M
from 5000 ppl and after 8 years?! The company is a joke.
Your need a stable environment for GC from your first job so stay
away from risky joker companies.
【在 a*******a 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢楼上各位前辈 每一条回答我都仔细看了好几次 十分感谢！
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g********t
发帖数: 212 | 31 楼主是技术人员不是partner。公司整体收入不是最重要考虑。公司的bar的高低，对你
资历的提升，和做的事情比公司总体商业前景重要吧。
否则去walmart拿袋子也比fb好咯？
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Ignore anything L throws at you. They have been around for 8 years
: at least and hire 5000 people, and yet they only produce about 30M
: annual net profit. I mean are you friggin' kidding me?? Only 30M
: from 5000 ppl and after 8 years?! The company is a joke.
: Your need a stable environment for GC from your first job so stay
: away from risky joker companies.
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g********t
发帖数: 212 | 32 哪怕就是M里面，赚钱的windows，和亏钱的bing，哪个人员简历价值高，好跳下一个地
方？
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Ignore anything L throws at you. They have been around for 8 years
: at least and hire 5000 people, and yet they only produce about 30M
: annual net profit. I mean are you friggin' kidding me?? Only 30M
: from 5000 ppl and after 8 years?! The company is a joke.
: Your need a stable environment for GC from your first job so stay
: away from risky joker companies.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 33
If you are a fresh grad you need 4-5 years of stable environment
to work on your GC so you better pay attention to 公司整体收入. A
sound company w/ 5000 hirings should make much more profit than 30M
a year. If L cannot do it, time to ask why.
【在 g********t 的大作中提到】
: 楼主是技术人员不是partner。公司整体收入不是最重要考虑。公司的bar的高低，对你
: 资历的提升，和做的事情比公司总体商业前景重要吧。
: 否则去walmart拿袋子也比fb好咯？
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 34
Bing-oriented techniques are used in Azure and other MSFT server
stacks, and make money. It's just not accounted as Bing's income.
【在 g********t 的大作中提到】
: 哪怕就是M里面，赚钱的windows，和亏钱的bing，哪个人员简历价值高，好跳下一个地
: 方？
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g********t
发帖数: 212 | 35 I got quite some friends put their first 5 years in M for a safer GC process
. I'd say lots of them regretted for that.
look at what other people did in bay area with main stream internet
companies, GC might not be worth it.
Best defense is "dynamic defense". your best defense is always your skill,
and being close to the front wave, not "stability", "policy" of a company.
Also remember M lays off now. its GC guarantee is in question.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Bing-oriented techniques are used in Azure and other MSFT server
: stacks, and make money. It's just not accounted as Bing's income.
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g********t
发帖数: 212 | 36 azure and autopilot integration? thats very recent. Bing's skill profile
value has been high long before it makes "profit" in your definition...
also, if your profit logic is reasonable, then LinkedIn profit should count
higher as there are companies using Kafka and Voldemort?
"my technology is used" by others is a very very naive way of counting
contribution... its only the user facing part that matters.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Bing-oriented techniques are used in Azure and other MSFT server
: stacks, and make money. It's just not accounted as Bing's income.
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g********t
发帖数: 212 | 37 also if you count that "azure + bing tech" profit in your definition, that's
not even worth mentioning comparing to windows profit. look at aws profit,
so trivial. azure profit is lower than aws.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Bing-oriented techniques are used in Azure and other MSFT server
: stacks, and make money. It's just not accounted as Bing's income.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 38
W/o tech stacks from Bing and the old Windows Live framework, MSFT
would not have worked out the basic cloud services such as Storage
this fast. W/o these basic services MSFT would not be able to
provide Skydrive, Office365, DynamicCRM and so on.
Like I said it's just that Bing's contribution is not accounted
here.
【在 g********t 的大作中提到】
: azure and autopilot integration? thats very recent. Bing's skill profile
: value has been high long before it makes "profit" in your definition...
: also, if your profit logic is reasonable, then LinkedIn profit should count
: higher as there are companies using Kafka and Voldemort?
: "my technology is used" by others is a very very naive way of counting
: contribution... its only the user facing part that matters.
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g********t
发帖数: 212 | 39 sir, you have diverted from the original argument. the original debate is
correlation between a company or a product's profit, vs its career value.
you introduced an unorthodox way to count product such as bing's profit. and
that only helps to change bing from a "unprofitable" product, to a "barely
profitable product", if I don't want to bother keep fighting on this sub
topic.
still even with such concession, how does that compare to Windows profit (
probably 1/1000), and how does bing's career value compare to windows? that'
s where this debate started.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: W/o tech stacks from Bing and the old Windows Live framework, MSFT
: would not have worked out the basic cloud services such as Storage
: this fast. W/o these basic services MSFT would not be able to
: provide Skydrive, Office365, DynamicCRM and so on.
: Like I said it's just that Bing's contribution is not accounted
: here.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 40
I was merely explaining Bing is a lot more valuable than outsiders
realize, and you don't like hearing it. The tech stacks from Bing
and Windows Live are important pieces that Server div (the #1 div
@MSFT, higher than Win/Office divs mind you) uses. It's just that
Bing's impact was not accounted as part of Server div output.
I'd OTOH like to have you explain why a fine company w/ 5000 ppl
makes only 30M profit/Y after 8 years. HOHO. 8 years in the tech
field feels like forever. If they are really good they should be
able delivery by now.
【在 g********t 的大作中提到】
: sir, you have diverted from the original argument. the original debate is
: correlation between a company or a product's profit, vs its career value.
: you introduced an unorthodox way to count product such as bing's profit. and
: that only helps to change bing from a "unprofitable" product, to a "barely
: profitable product", if I don't want to bother keep fighting on this sub
: topic.
: still even with such concession, how does that compare to Windows profit (
: probably 1/1000), and how does bing's career value compare to windows? that'
: s where this debate started.
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g********t
发帖数: 212 | 41 so you admit that the argument about whether bing makes profit irrelevant to
the original argument in the first place?
also, if you really love that x years y m argument. how long had bing
existed? how much it made? still why it drew the top talent within M?
besides, the argument about "even though product p1 didn't shoe accounting
profits, its module contributed to other profitable p2" doesn't make any
sense... that seems just like salvaging broken car parts...
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: I was merely explaining Bing is a lot more valuable than outsiders
: realize, and you don't like hearing it. The tech stacks from Bing
: and Windows Live are important pieces that Server div (the #1 div
: @MSFT, higher than Win/Office divs mind you) uses. It's just that
: Bing's impact was not accounted as part of Server div output.
: I'd OTOH like to have you explain why a fine company w/ 5000 ppl
: makes only 30M profit/Y after 8 years. HOHO. 8 years in the tech
: field feels like forever. If they are really good they should be
: able delivery by now.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 42
Well if Bing still contributes to other team's success then it's
success nonetheless. When it comes to L, no matter how we look at
it the overall profit is merely 30M/Y. That's 6K/person. Even Yahoo
does better than that.
【在 g********t 的大作中提到】
: so you admit that the argument about whether bing makes profit irrelevant to
: the original argument in the first place?
: also, if you really love that x years y m argument. how long had bing
: existed? how much it made? still why it drew the top talent within M?
: besides, the argument about "even though product p1 didn't shoe accounting
: profits, its module contributed to other profitable p2" doesn't make any
: sense... that seems just like salvaging broken car parts...
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g********t
发帖数: 212 | 43 so let me summarize our debate:
you: linkedin made y million in x years so bad to join.
me: we shouldn't correlate product revenue with career value. take bing's
revenue as example, compare that to Windows.
(some back and forth on accounting methodology of bing's profit...)
finally, you: concluded Bing is still successful despite we cannot agree how
its revenue is counted...
but what the hell? still how does bing revenue compare to windows, and its
career value? and how does this help your argument "bad revenue means bad
career value"?
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Well if Bing still contributes to other team's success then it's
: success nonetheless. When it comes to L, no matter how we look at
: it the overall profit is merely 30M/Y. That's 6K/person. Even Yahoo
: does better than that.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 44
Bing's career path is no better than that of Windows. I don't know
where you get this idea that Bing attracts better talent than other
teams. At least I know people working on Bing's front end hate
writing those JS programs.
【在 g********t 的大作中提到】
: so let me summarize our debate:
: you: linkedin made y million in x years so bad to join.
: me: we shouldn't correlate product revenue with career value. take bing's
: revenue as example, compare that to Windows.
: (some back and forth on accounting methodology of bing's profit...)
: finally, you: concluded Bing is still successful despite we cannot agree how
: its revenue is counted...
: but what the hell? still how does bing revenue compare to windows, and its
: career value? and how does this help your argument "bad revenue means bad
: career value"?
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a******e
发帖数: 710 | 45 求原因啊，刚有个朋友拿到他家的offer，正在犹豫中。
【在 r****c 的大作中提到】
: L的monetization team不用去了 要知道原因给我信
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g********t
发帖数: 212 | 46 well, at least this is a more relevant counter argument about "bing vs
Windows to prove revenue != career value"... much better than previous "bing
does make money" direction....
but again, as a whole, majority of bing engineer aren't doing UI works. most
of them were doing large scale distributed systems, high volume traffic
serving, big data, machine learning and page ranking, and bing verticals...
and those are much more relevant to other mainstream internet companies,
than windows projects.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Bing's career path is no better than that of Windows. I don't know
: where you get this idea that Bing attracts better talent than other
: teams. At least I know people working on Bing's front end hate
: writing those JS programs.
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s*****r
发帖数: 43070 | 47 你在哪份财报看到L一年赚30M了，基本还在略亏的层次。
现在都是办完140，PD到手就跳槽了，傻子才在第一个公司待好几年等绿卡，再说M整天
裁员，还能办卡吗
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Bing's career path is no better than that of Windows. I don't know
: where you get this idea that Bing attracts better talent than other
: teams. At least I know people working on Bing's front end hate
: writing those JS programs.
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s*****r
发帖数: 43070 | 48 如果有其他家的offer，就不必考虑了，没有其他家的，有啥可犹豫的
【在 a******e 的大作中提到】
: 求原因啊，刚有个朋友拿到他家的offer，正在犹豫中。
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s*****r
发帖数: 43070 | 49 G wallet就是个joke，狗狗很失败的一个产品
【在 y**********u 的大作中提到】
: 其实很难讲，我只是觉得google wallet很难用，感觉周边也没什么人用
: 如果放重点做，有很多机会，但也有可能就边缘化了
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p*****2
发帖数: 21240 | 50 听说很多大牛加入呀
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: G wallet就是个joke，狗狗很失败的一个产品
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a*******a
发帖数: 383 | 51 能问下L不用去的原因吗？是因为一直赢利不高？
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 如果有其他家的offer，就不必考虑了，没有其他家的，有啥可犹豫的
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