s******i
发帖数: 260 | 1 这问题可能有点2，但是偶是真心求解，大侠莫怪，莫拍。
看了好多帖子，很多问题都能找到很详细的答案。但是有个问题一直没有搞得很清楚，
就是大家到底claim了哪三项？
举个例子，比如说生物post doc申NIW。
是claim：
a （这里原文是写a degree，不是an advanced degree...我瞎了...）Ph.D advanced degree （证明就是学位证书）
e membership in professional associations (证明就是会员资质）
和 f Evidence of recognition for achievements and significant contributions
ot the industry or field by peers, governmental entities, or prfessional or
business organizations。
这三项吗？
大家讨论的发表文章、引用、review、推荐信、获奖证明、会议等等等的都是在支持上
面的f项，是这样吗？
b项10年经验，太长...
d项挣钱比别人都狠，太狂...这两项不敢淡了...
可是为什么，很少有人claim c项(license or certification for a particular
professional or occupation)呢？
比如说：计算机的可以靠MS、oracle、IBM等等的certification;
工程（化工、生工、环工、机械、土木、电子等等等等都有各自分类）类的可以考FE/
PE，虽然PE要求几年工作经验，但是这也正是离开学术界去工业界的最好跳板，同时还
可以利用H1B的几年建立职业壁垒，建立自身职场优势的一种方法；
财会可以奔CPA，虽然修课、考试可能几年;
金融可以奔CFA，计划好的话，最快2年过3级，外加两年专业工作经验，考试工作可同
时进行；
数学、统计可以考虑注册精算、数据分析等；
商科可以考虑PMI项目管理、商业分析、ERP（企业资源规划）；
混花街的肯定要走Series系列拿license转钞票。
医学的license就更不用说了，我家傍边的大医院各个方面的专家医师都活得好精彩。
为啥这个c项，讨论的如此至少呢？求大侠解惑。 | a**********e
发帖数: 197 | 2 虽然我不知道我理解得对不对，但是高学历（phD）就不用证明你提到的这些项了，仔
细看你会发现有个or。。 | s******i
发帖数: 260 | 3 大谢苦哥迅速简练的回答。我看到那个“or”了，是140 instruction page3、4NIW-A-
1最后的词。
那如说，不用这些2里面的abcdef项了，申NIW的时候为啥还要给出很多文章、review之
类的证据呢？
这些是在further支撑 证据1 US advanced degree（ Ph.D or MS）吗？就是告诉IO，
说你看，我PhD确实是在做跟国家利益有关的事情，是这个意思吗？
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: 虽然我不知道我理解得对不对，但是高学历（phD）就不用证明你提到的这些项了，仔
: 细看你会发现有个or。。
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 4 I guess that many people in NIW claimed a (degree), b (10 year professional
experience), f (contributions), where your M.S. or Ph.D. experiences might
be counted into that 10 year professional experiences, if you have some
records to show your achievements then.
e (membership) may be hard to claim, as the easily paid memberships are not
counted much.
If you can claim c (license), you surely can. I guess that most people don't
have a license. I don't hold PE, etc, nor did I ever think of getting one
before.
You know your case the best, and show your strengths.
，就是大家到底claim了哪三项？
【在 s******i 的大作中提到】
: 这问题可能有点2，但是偶是真心求解，大侠莫怪，莫拍。
: 看了好多帖子，很多问题都能找到很详细的答案。但是有个问题一直没有搞得很清楚，
: 就是大家到底claim了哪三项？
: 举个例子，比如说生物post doc申NIW。
: 是claim：
: a （这里原文是写a degree，不是an advanced degree...我瞎了...）Ph.D advanced degree （证明就是学位证书）
: e membership in professional associations (证明就是会员资质）
: 和 f Evidence of recognition for achievements and significant contributions
: ot the industry or field by peers, governmental entities, or prfessional or
: business organizations。
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 5 NIW requests 3 out of 6 claims.
仔细看你会发现有个or。。
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: 虽然我不知道我理解得对不对，但是高学历（phD）就不用证明你提到的这些项了，仔
: 细看你会发现有个or。。
| s******i
发帖数: 260 | 6 十分感谢大侠的回复，我已经copy收藏了，尤其最有一句话。“只有自己最了解自己”
有时候我想，律师在这个过程中到底起到了什么作用，是他们的法律专业背景起到了作
用，还是他们的经验起到了作用。
如果是根据每个各户的个人情况量身打造申请资料，那么大善；
如果只是套个petition letter的模板、看看资料是否齐全、改改推荐信就能轻松几千
入手的话，那么请律师那几千大洋真可以省下来了。
但有时候也浆糊，就是，如果这个生意这么好做，咋这么少人做。DIY之后的朋友都可
以做的...至少跟自己相关的领域的师弟师妹过来就直接把客户拉走了，对以后科研发
展之路还有帮助。
professional
not
't
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I guess that many people in NIW claimed a (degree), b (10 year professional
: experience), f (contributions), where your M.S. or Ph.D. experiences might
: be counted into that 10 year professional experiences, if you have some
: records to show your achievements then.
: e (membership) may be hard to claim, as the easily paid memberships are not
: counted much.
: If you can claim c (license), you surely can. I guess that most people don't
: have a license. I don't hold PE, etc, nor did I ever think of getting one
: before.
: You know your case the best, and show your strengths.
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 7 hehe. Are you using a lawyer or not?
I used a lawyer. I think that the lawyer knows what the IOs are looking for
, and what evidences are convincing for each case. My lawyer guided me to
collect those, and his strategy in my PL differed from the templates I saw.
I am very grateful to have the peace of mind while working with him.
Well, is this the only way that we can get a green card? Perhaps not, DIY
may also work. But there's no what-if in life ah, and I am grateful for what
I have.
Also, no matter you use a lawyer or not, trust yourself to dig out the best
in yourself. Under my lawyer's guidance, it's still me how decided which
references/evidences could best serve those purposes.
有时候我想，律师在这个过程中到底起到了什么作用，是他们的法律专业背景起到了作
用，还是他们的经验起到了作用。
千入手的话，那么请律师那几千大洋真可以省下来了。
可以做的...至少跟自己相关的领域的师弟师妹过来就直接把客户拉走了，对以后科研
发展之路还有帮助。
【在 s******i 的大作中提到】
: 十分感谢大侠的回复，我已经copy收藏了，尤其最有一句话。“只有自己最了解自己”
: 有时候我想，律师在这个过程中到底起到了什么作用，是他们的法律专业背景起到了作
: 用，还是他们的经验起到了作用。
: 如果是根据每个各户的个人情况量身打造申请资料，那么大善；
: 如果只是套个petition letter的模板、看看资料是否齐全、改改推荐信就能轻松几千
: 入手的话，那么请律师那几千大洋真可以省下来了。
: 但有时候也浆糊，就是，如果这个生意这么好做，咋这么少人做。DIY之后的朋友都可
: 以做的...至少跟自己相关的领域的师弟师妹过来就直接把客户拉走了，对以后科研发
: 展之路还有帮助。
:
| e******r
发帖数: 9977 | 8 我倒觉得本版最不需要lawyer的就是你了，
当然了，可能你没时间搞这个
for
.
what
best
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: hehe. Are you using a lawyer or not?
: I used a lawyer. I think that the lawyer knows what the IOs are looking for
: , and what evidences are convincing for each case. My lawyer guided me to
: collect those, and his strategy in my PL differed from the templates I saw.
: I am very grateful to have the peace of mind while working with him.
: Well, is this the only way that we can get a green card? Perhaps not, DIY
: may also work. But there's no what-if in life ah, and I am grateful for what
: I have.
: Also, no matter you use a lawyer or not, trust yourself to dig out the best
: in yourself. Under my lawyer's guidance, it's still me how decided which
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 9 Turn the clock back, in June 2011, I was a total 菜鸟 in green card.
I could answer questions here, also because my lawyer told me those things
ah.
【在 e******r 的大作中提到】
: 我倒觉得本版最不需要lawyer的就是你了，
: 当然了，可能你没时间搞这个
:
: for
: .
: what
: best
| b*********r
发帖数: 7139 | 10 也别忘了说一句：在这个版上也学到很多~~~~~~~~~
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Turn the clock back, in June 2011, I was a total 菜鸟 in green card.
: I could answer questions here, also because my lawyer told me those things
: ah.
| | | e******r
发帖数: 9977 | 11 明白了，算是交学费了
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Turn the clock back, in June 2011, I was a total 菜鸟 in green card.
: I could answer questions here, also because my lawyer told me those things
: ah.
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 12 en, that's why I used "also because", because this is the first reason.
【在 b*********r 的大作中提到】
: 也别忘了说一句：在这个版上也学到很多~~~~~~~~~
| b*********r
发帖数: 7139 | 13 嗯，呵呵，这就是我个人找律师的原因~~~~~~~
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: en, that's why I used "also because", because this is the first reason.
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 14 hehe. It's a chicken-egg question as well. I double-checked what my lawyer
said with what I saw here, and I shared what I knew from my lawyer here.
【在 b*********r 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，呵呵，这就是我个人找律师的原因~~~~~~~
| s******i
发帖数: 260 | 15 Great thanks. I'm considering hiring a lawyer and working with him/her for
my case and maybe many of my friends’ cases if the result is good.
What makes me hesitate is that my case is a bit weird. I don't have many
publications compared with those of the big cows here in the BBS, nor say 10
years of experience in my current field. What I have is just an advanced
degree, a selected membership, and a license.
My case might be so unique that it needs much more time to be re-organized.
Therefore, many normal lawyers may not want to waste time on it as they
could easily make other money. I emailed two lawyers, one said no way and
the other did not reply my email.
May I know the contact information of your lawyer so that I could try to get
some useful consultanting from him/her.
for
.
what
best
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: hehe. Are you using a lawyer or not?
: I used a lawyer. I think that the lawyer knows what the IOs are looking for
: , and what evidences are convincing for each case. My lawyer guided me to
: collect those, and his strategy in my PL differed from the templates I saw.
: I am very grateful to have the peace of mind while working with him.
: Well, is this the only way that we can get a green card? Perhaps not, DIY
: may also work. But there's no what-if in life ah, and I am grateful for what
: I have.
: Also, no matter you use a lawyer or not, trust yourself to dig out the best
: in yourself. Under my lawyer's guidance, it's still me how decided which
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