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w*****7
发帖数: 4847
1
医院(ebay) item# 183137386935
Amazons上也有卖。
夸张的1045中碳钢和1095高碳钢折叠锻打至 32768层(>30000),粘土烧刃法,有真正
刀纹,刚柔相济。
日本为了保住武士冶刀行业,法律禁止用现代钢才锻打日本武士刀,只能用古法炼刀(
日本玉钢,玉钢性能并不超过今天的1095高碳钢),价钱一般都是RMB 5-6位数。
日本古代名刀有多厉害?下面是硬度
(肖氏硬度,数据源 http://ohmura-study.net/225.html
村正二代就是72硬度。上面的日文翻译过来就是肖氏硬度(HS),72肖氏硬度换算成
HRC也就是54而已,仅仅达到现代工业行业标准及格线而已。其中最优秀的81硬度以及
最优秀的平均硬度68,换算成HRC也不过就是 HRC60 和 HRC51。
HRC HS对照表
土鳖国没什么保护,允许用现代钢材做刀。但是土鳖国又有管制法律,刀具不许开刃。
一不开刃,好多工序都省了,就一样子货。当然了,质量不差,产能高,龙泉剑厂都给
日本低端品牌代工,日本亲和(Shinwa)牌量产日本武士刀都是特么龙泉剑厂代工的。
item# 183137386935 这把刀是我见过用现代钢才锻打的最好的,性能不差。至少比历
史上的所有村正二代都好了,就是刀的装饰吐了点。
如果不喜欢折叠花纹钢(假冒大马士革钢),更现代一点的钢材纯1095或者T10,粘土
烧刃法,也很好。
183183544129、183137327582 (医院item号)好像是龙泉新开的smith,专作日本刀,
师傅都是戴个眼镜的。。。
放到古代,这些特么肯定是宝刀。不过,这是现代投机取巧的刀剑,价钱放在那--土鳖
国没日本人那么死板。
土鳖最近好像有一种样子工艺,叫什么Dark 或者 Red 大马士革,其实也是折叠锻打花
纹钢。红色,就是把打好的花纹钢刀用磷酸盐化学处理,刀里的Mn元素参加化学反应后
,就是红色花纹。这个虽然防锈,但是会降低一丁点的机械性能。
亲和(Shinwa)牌量产日本武士刀最爱搞这个,1060钢折叠1000+或者2000+层,磷酸盐
化学处理发红。(亲和Shinwa武士刀,TrueSwords.com Amazon.com BudK.com 上满大
街,youtube上一堆拿Shinwa Sword砍东西的视频。)
要是有时间和精力,我自己倒是很想自己用瑞粉和轴承钢珠为主材料,锻打一柄现代意
义上的大马士革钢刀。
龙泉古法折叠锻打是因为古时钢材质量不济,百炼可以保证钢材性能一致性。现在现代
钢材性能一致性早就有保证了,再折叠锻打并不能提高性能,1000层、2000层、3万层
,差别不大,只是好看。
要想性能好,就得用更好的材料——粉末钢或者现代的一些工业用钢。
油管上有锻造花纹钢剑的视屏
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w04xHt7uYGs
用的材料很好,德国的1.2842钢和1.2767钢,焊接锻打了16*3*3*3=432层。
德国1.2842钢 淬透性好,淬火时变形小,淬火硬度可以达到HRC63,比1095钢贵5-10倍。
1.2767钢 耐磨性好,高韧性(比1045还好),高抗压强度,尺寸稳定性优良,耐腐蚀
性效果特佳
总之,比中国锻刀的1095、1045钢NB得多(原材料价格也贵得多,1095/T10淬火硬度
HRC57-60,淬火形变较大)
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参考:现代的刀拿到古代会不会成为宝刀?
https://www.zhihu.com/question/21855082
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注意:锋利的能在美国购买的日本武士刀是带不回中国大陆或者日本的,都违法。也就
玩玩。
k**0
发帖数: 19737
2
现代钢就没必要折叠锻打了,当然这么干是为了好看。
国内这类刀剑普遍用现成花纹钢打成。

【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 医院(ebay) item# 183137386935
: Amazons上也有卖。
: 夸张的1045中碳钢和1095高碳钢折叠锻打至 32768层(>30000),粘土烧刃法,有真正
: 刀纹,刚柔相济。
: 日本为了保住武士冶刀行业,法律禁止用现代钢才锻打日本武士刀,只能用古法炼刀(
: 日本玉钢,玉钢性能并不超过今天的1095高碳钢),价钱一般都是RMB 5-6位数。
: 日本古代名刀有多厉害?下面是硬度
: (肖氏硬度,数据源 http://ohmura-study.net/225.html
: 村正二代就是72硬度。上面的日文翻译过来就是肖氏硬度(HS),72肖氏硬度换算成
: HRC也就是54而已,仅仅达到现代工业行业标准及格线而已。其中最优秀的81硬度以及

w*****7
发帖数: 4847
3
多废了很多人工和时间,价钱也就上来了。
上来的也就是价钱,性能并没有。
现代钢性能的关键就是热处理工艺。1055钢才热处理成冷钢88系列的,基本都秒杀古代
日本武士刀。
不过折叠钢还有一个好处,锋刃保持性比较好,不用天天磨刀。可是国内刀剑不让开刃
啊,不开刃,就不会用心热处理和研磨,也就成样子货了。
日本法律虽然不允许用现代钢做武士刀,但是是允许做菜刀(日本叫包丁,包丁解牛的
包丁)的。
好多日本包丁都是花纹钢锻打的。

【在 k**0 的大作中提到】
: 现代钢就没必要折叠锻打了,当然这么干是为了好看。
: 国内这类刀剑普遍用现成花纹钢打成。

k**0
发帖数: 19737
4
嗯,日本菜刀确实制作精良,切菜切鱼都不错。上次看到岳母直接拿去剁鸡翅吓到我了。
ebay上卖的便宜日本刀基本都是国产的,早十年周正武还没那么出名的时候还能500块
买到他的刀剑。
如果是拿来砍树枝玩,那冷钢的或者T10钢造的都可以。

【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 多废了很多人工和时间,价钱也就上来了。
: 上来的也就是价钱,性能并没有。
: 现代钢性能的关键就是热处理工艺。1055钢才热处理成冷钢88系列的,基本都秒杀古代
: 日本武士刀。
: 不过折叠钢还有一个好处,锋刃保持性比较好,不用天天磨刀。可是国内刀剑不让开刃
: 啊,不开刃,就不会用心热处理和研磨,也就成样子货了。
: 日本法律虽然不允许用现代钢做武士刀,但是是允许做菜刀(日本叫包丁,包丁解牛的
: 包丁)的。
: 好多日本包丁都是花纹钢锻打的。

w*****7
发帖数: 4847
5
日本刀的研磨比土鳖NB得多。
25块的菜刀用3000元的磨刀石研磨后 能有多快
https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/37910449
其实土产刀也可以很锋利,吹毛断发的。

了。

【在 k**0 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,日本菜刀确实制作精良,切菜切鱼都不错。上次看到岳母直接拿去剁鸡翅吓到我了。
: ebay上卖的便宜日本刀基本都是国产的,早十年周正武还没那么出名的时候还能500块
: 买到他的刀剑。
: 如果是拿来砍树枝玩,那冷钢的或者T10钢造的都可以。

w*****7
发帖数: 4847
6
看到这个,
http://www.howitgood.us/10-best-damascus-steel-sword-full-tang/
感觉美国大众玩家的品味很低哈。
Reviews
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1. Shinwa Black Knight Handmade Katana / Samurai Sword - Hand Forged Black
Damascus Steel - Razor Sharp, Full Tang - Fully Functional, Battle Ready,
Ninja Sleek - Faux Ray Skin, Cord Wrap, Dragon Tsuba
Feature
Nothing's darker than the "knight" - beautiful yet formidable, vibrant yet
dark, the Black Knight Katana is spectacular fusion of breathtaking
contrasts
Full tang 28 1/8" black Damascus steel blade, hand forged by Shinwa's master
swordsmiths using proven, centuries-old technique; more than 1,000 distinct
layers
Innovative, exclusive process puts black in black Damascus " result is blade
with brooding dark beauty without equal
Tsuka wrapped in faux ray skin, classic black ito; offset by brilliant brass
dragon menuki; traditional wooden mekugi
Unique, flawlessly cast tsuba features breathtaking relief design that
depicts menacing dragon in extraordinary detail
Description
Shinwa Black Knight Handmade Katana / Samurai Sword - Hand Forged Black
Damascus Steel - Razor Sharp, Full Tang - Fully Functional, Battle Ready,
Ninja Sleek - Faux Ray Skin, Cord Wrap, Dragon Tsuba
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2. SW-99 Handmade Damascus Steel 32.2 Inches Urfael Sword - Great Piece of
Art
Feature
Handmade Full Tang Damascus Steel Sword
Perfect Grip Handle - Sharp Edge Blade
Great Piece of Art Sword
Comes with Leather Scabbard
Beautiful Pattern on Blade
Description
Handmade Damascus Steel Full Tang Damascus Steel Sword Great piece of Art as
well as functional. Beautiful Hand Forged Pattern Blade with Damascus Guard
. Total Length; 32.20 Inches Blade Length;24.20 Inches Handle Length; 08.00
Inches BLADE This Sword is Functional and has Stunning pattern Damascus
steel blades and The blade is Made By 1095/15N20 ALLOY STEELS (176 true
Layers) Hand forged to Beautiful Pattern. Damascus steel of this knife has
high quality contents to give an excellent edge and sharp cutting abilities.
Hardness of the blade of this knife is HRC 58-60 in the lab & been hand
sharpened to a Sharp Edge. BUYING You must be sure and certify that you are
18+ of age and you are able to legally purchase and own an item and will use
it responsibly
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3. Handmade Katana Red Black Damascus Folded Steel Sword Sharp Edge Katnan
Full Tang Blade Sword
Feature
The sword is pure hand forged by using traditional hand forged method
Full hand forged folded steel sharp blade
Blade come with a full length tang
This is a Sharpened and Truly Battle Ready Samurai Sword.
Description
Overall Length: 40.5 inch=104 cm
Nagasa Lengh: 27.8 inch=70.5 cm
Handle Length: 10.6 inch=27 cm
Kissaki Shape: Chu-Kissaki
Blade Shape: SHINOGUI-ZUKURI
Blade Width (near Habaki): 1.26 inch=3.2 cm
Blade Width (near Kissaki): 0.91 inch=2.3 cm
Blade Material: Folded steel
Saya Material: Hard Wooden
Handle Material: Hard Wood + Ray Skin
Tsuba Material: Iron
Sori (curve): 1.8 cm
Package Weight: 2.0 kg
Condition: Brand New
In Addition:
This blade is made of folded steel and has folded 12 times to create the
4096 layers to increase the flexibility and hardness of the blade and a
distinct texture is left on the blade as a result of the repeated folding
during the process.
Bo-hi (blood groove) is added to each side of the blade which can not only
lighten the blade but also balance it to achieve optimal performance. (If
you do not want the Bo-Hi, just let us know and we can customize for you.)
Two seppas spacers secure the Tsuba.
The Habaki (blade collar) is of brass composition.
This saya (sheath) of the sword is hard wooden and lacquered superior paint
to high gloss the surface of it. The Sage-O is tied around the Kurikata (
knob) of the saya, the Koiguchi (scabbard mouth) and Kojiri (scabbard tip)
has been hardened.
Notice:
1. The sword is attached with saya and free silk bag.
2. Box and stand are not included.
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4. Longsword/ Bastard Sword- High Carbon Damascus Steel Sword- 3
Feature
36" Longsword
High Carbon Damascus Steel
Full Tang
Clay Tempered Sharpening
Leather Sheath
Description
The longsword, also known as long sword or long-sword, is a type of European
sword characterized by a cruciform hilt with a two handed with a straight
double-edged blade. The longsword was prevalent during the late medieval and
Renaissance periods (approximately 1350 to 1550), with early and late use
reaching the 13th and 17th centuries. The term bastard sword is used to
identify the longsword during the late medieval and Renaissance period.
Pattern welded Damascus steel is a hard heat treated, folded carbon steel.
There are 11 pieces of steel, folded five times, making 352 layers. The
steel is the perfect combination of hardness and durability with a Rockwell
hardness rating between 55 and 56 HRC. The handle is bone and horn with
Damascus steel bolsters. It comes with a leather sheath. Handle Material:
Wood with Brass Bolsters Overall Length: 36" Rockwell Hardness: 55-56 HRC
Number of layers: 352 Sheath: Leather sheath Blade Material: Damascus steel
6 Pieces of Carbon Steel #43 and #40 5 Pieces of High Carbon Steel 1095 1st
Fold- 11x2=22 Layers 2nd Fold- 22*2=44 Layers 3rd Fold- 44*2=88 Layers 4th
Fold- 88*2=176 Layers 5th Fold- 176*2=352 Layers
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5. Wild Turkey Handmade Damascus Steel Collection Bone Handle Sword w/
Leather Sheath Razor Sharp
Feature
Wild Turkey Handmade Damascus Steel Sword.
Mixed Camel Bone & Wood Handle.
18" Damascus Steel Blade.
24" Overall length.
Includes Leather Sheath.
Description
Wild Turkey Handmade Full Tang Damascus Steel Sword. Mixed Camel Bone & Wood
Handle. 18" Damascus Steel Blade. 24" Overall length. Includes Leather
Sheath.
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6. Shinwa Unbroken Night Handmade Katana / Samurai Sword - Hand Forged Black
Damascus Steel - Razor Sharp, Full Tang - Fully Functional, Battle Ready,
Ninja Sleek - Faux Ray Skin
Feature
Nothing's darker than the night - beautiful yet formidable, vibrant yet dark
, the Unbroken Night Katana is spectacular fusion of breathtaking contrasts
Full tang 28 3/4" black Damascus steel blade, hand forged by Shinwa's master
swordsmiths using proven, centuries-old technique; more than 1,000 distinct
layers
Innovative, exclusive process puts black in black Damascus " result is blade
with brooding dark beauty without equal
Tsuka wrapped in faux ray skin, classic black ito; offset by brilliant brass
dragon menuki; traditional wooden mekugi
Flawlessly cast tsuba features breathtaking pattern, form and detail
Description
Shinwa Unbroken Night Handmade Katana / Samurai Sword - Hand Forged Black
Damascus Steel - Razor Sharp, Full Tang - Fully Functional, Battle Ready,
Ninja Sleek - Faux Ray Skin
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7. Honshu Boshin Hellfire Damascus Handmade Wakizashi Sword - Hand Forged
Red & Black "Hellfire Damascus" Steel, Exclusive Metallurgical Process -
Full Tang, Modern Tactical - TPR Grip, Wooden Saya - 34"
Feature
Takes innovation to another level, from inventive, exclusive Hellfire
Damascus forging process to unique tactical design
22 1/2" Hellfire Damascus steel blade is built for real-world use and the
rigors of modern combat, despite its incredible beauty
Seasoned swordsmiths painstakingly hand-forge every blade; like a dark
snowflake, no two Boshin blades are exactly alike, each with its own unique
patterning
Rugged TPR tsuka - clean, functional design; textured no-slip grip;
ergonomic contours boost comfort, reduce fatigue
Offset elliptical tsuba and angled kashira with lanyard hole for tethering;
both black stainless steel
Description
Honshu Boshin Hellfire Damascus Handmade Wakizashi Sword - Hand Forged Red &
Black "Hellfire Damascus" Steel, Exclusive Metallurgical Process - Full
Tang, Modern Tactical - TPR Grip, Wooden Saya - 34"
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8. Shinwa Genesis Handmade Tachi / Samurai Sword - Hand Forged Damascus
Steel - Historical Katana Predecessor - Traditional Wooden Saya - Cleaning
Kit - Functional, Battle Ready, Full Tang
Feature
Get in touch your swordcraft roots - sublime 21st century example of ancient
Japanese sword with origins around 800 A.D.
Full tang 28" Damascus steel blade - hand forged by master swordsmiths using
time-tested technique as ancient as tachi itself
Museum quality hand craftsmanship, but this is no mere museum piece - blade
boasts serious, real-world cutting clout; sleek, gracefully curved profile
mirrors that of katana's
Flawlessly cast kashira, fuchi accented with delicate, beautiful reliefs;
cast metal tsuba features classic crane design
Hardwood tsuka wrapped in traditional braided ito; extends beyond tsuka onto
saya; vibrant sparkling accents offset ito
Description
Shinwa Genesis Handmade Tachi / Samurai Sword - Hand Forged Damascus Steel -
Historical Katana Predecessor - Traditional Wooden Saya - Cleaning Kit -
Functional, Battle Ready, Full Tang
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9. Handmade Katana Full Black Damascus Folded Steel Sword Jpanese Full Tang
Katana Real Sharp Sword
Feature
The blade of the sword has been hand forged using the ancient method of
sword making and polished with multiple grade sharpen stone by japanese
method.
The full tang blade is hand forged with help of powered hammer,hand polished
. strong and sharp enough for bamboo cutting.
Katana blade is made of damascus folded steel.
Wooden tsuka is wrapped with genuine ray skin and tied with real silk ITO
Description
Overall Length: 40.5 inch=104 cm
Nagasa Lengh: 27.8 inch=70.5 cm
Handle Length: 10.6 inch=27 cm
Kissaki Shape: Chu-Kissaki
Blade Shape: SHINOGUI-ZUKURI
Blade Width (near Habaki): 1.26 inch=3.2 cm
Blade Width (near Kissaki): 0.91 inch=2.3 cm
Blade Material: Folded steel
Saya Material: Hard Wooden
Handle Material: Hard Wood + Ray Skin
Tsuba Material: Zinc Alloy
Sori (curve): 1.8 cm
Package Weight: 2.0 kg
Condition: Brand New
In Addition:
This blade is made of folded steel and has folded 12 times to create the
4096 layers to increase the flexibility and hardness of the blade and a
distinct texture is left on the blade as a result of the repeated folding
during the process.
Bo-hi (blood groove) is added to each side of the blade which can not only
lighten the blade but also balance it to achieve optimal performance. (If
you do not want the Bo-Hi, just let us know and we can customize for you.)
Two seppas spacers secure the Tsuba.
The Habaki (blade collar) is of brass composition.
This saya (sheath) of the sword is hard wooden and lacquered superior paint
to high gloss the surface of it. The Sage-O is tied around the Kurikata (
knob) of the saya, the Koiguchi (scabbard mouth) and Kojiri (scabbard tip)
has been hardened.
Notice:
1. The sword is attached with saya and free silk bag.
2. Box and stand are not included.
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10. Norse Tradesman Handforged Viking Knife With Cowhide Leather Sheath - 6.
5" Sharp Carbon Steel, Full Tang Blade
Feature
HAND-FORGED MEDIEVAL DESIGN - Drawing inspiration from Norse mythology and
historical artifacts, this Viking utility knife features a carefully hand-
crafted raven head hilt and antique, semi-polished blade.
HIGH QUALITY CONSTRUCTION - Forged from one solid piece of carbon steel (
full tang handle), this Viking knife is built to last and designed to
perform.
NOT JUST A COSTUME KNIFE - This high-quality, CARBON STEEL blade has been
given an excellent heat treatment to achieve a 56-58 Rockwell scale hardness
. Also features a semi-razor sharp edge, so the medieval utility knife can
be used for a variety of practical applications. This is not a toy!
PURE COWHIDE LEATHER SHEATH - Recognize the incredible quality of the
cowhide sheath with a simple touch or glance. Conveniently strap the sheath
to any belt and keep this impressive blade on your hip at all times.
DIMENSIONS - Total Length: 11" | Blade Length: 6.5" | Handle length: 4.5" |
Hardness of Knife: 56-58 HRC
Description
KNIFE DESIGN
This incredible design of knife is 100% fully hand forged. This is a piece
of true craftsmanship. The knife is constructed with a full tang handle and
is made from high quality carbon steel. The impressive blade comes semi-
razor sharp, so it can be used in a variety of ways. The medieval production
features an artful raven's head hilt and an antique patina blade. Hilt is
bound with cowhide pure leather and comes with a beautiful, cowhide sheath
with belt loop.
DIMENSIONS:
Overall Length: 27.94 cm
Blade Length: 16.51 cm
Handle length: 11.43 cm
Hardness of Knife: 56-58 HRC
Accessories: Pure cowhide leather sheath
CARE TIPS:
Knife blade should always be clean and treat with oil after use.
DISCLAIMER:
We commit not to sell knives to anybody that is under age 18. Buyer is
responsible to check the laws in his/her local state, city or country.
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Conclusion
All above are our suggestions for damascus steel sword full tang. This might
not suit you, so we prefer that you read all detail information also
customer reviews to choose yours. Please also help to share your experience
when using damascus steel sword full tang with us by comment in this post.
Thank you!
马总倒是很推荐Shinwa的Damascus Sword,
Shinwa 的质量 Review,很长,有耐心就自己看
https://www.sword-buyers-guide.com/quality-of-shinwa-swords.html
总的说来还是好的多,也不乏缺点。现代1060钢材玩花样搞出来的东西,日本廉价品牌
+中国代工生产,外观超级好看,我就对那款 座头市直刃(杖刀)动过心,一直都想搞
一款防身。不过一直缺货,ebay上有货价格又不好。。。
说起来,现在龙泉很多厂子都在给人代工。这些东西真正的性能还得靠热处理。就是不
知道热处理是日本做的还是继续交给龙泉做。
上面推荐中还有一款非Shinwa品牌的,不知名牌子,也是中国代工的。土鳖折叠花纹钢
,水很深,用什么材料往往不知道,注明了具体材料的还算是有良心的。一般都是注明
高碳钢,高碳钢的哪一种不说。有些是 1060折叠锻打,有些是1060+T8工具钢,还有
1060+1095,1045+1095,1045+T8,能处理发红的肯定含有锰。我很稀饭那个德国1.
2842+1.2767的组合,感觉就是 1095+1045的增强版。花纹钢,折叠锻打,肯定是要刚
柔相济,同时有点美观。用性能接近的两种钢,完全是图好看去了,这种在节目《锻刀
大赛》中肯定被淘汰。
y****i
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把旧的机械硬盘熔了做刀,怎样?
w*****7
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一直以为DTYES是个新开的作坊,狗了一下,发现是一个公司。
有自己的网上店面(https://dtyes-factory.aliexpress.com/store/2945115)。老板
似乎很想做大的。这是闲话。
注意到今天,DTYES的ebay店卖了好几把刀。
对比他家列的items和一些参数,发现很有意思。
第一,1095/T10的武士刀,最低的硬度是HRC48,不知道淬火没淬火。剑身发红(用磷
酸盐泡过)的那款T10的武士刀硬度也是HRC48。有一款T10双刃剑,硬度也是HRC48, 锋
利度堪比刀片,Sharp, Can Cut Bamboo,Paper,Grass Matting。HRC48,相当于HS 65
,基本上就是古代日本名刀的平均水准(一楼有表)。。最高的是HRC54 (HS 72),
估计淬火过,硬度达到了古代村正顶级刀的水准。
第二,覆土烧刃还是很有效很NB的。覆土烧刃过的T10的武士刀,硬度达到了HRC58,秒
了古代村正全家。既然是覆土烧刃,肯定是考虑了刀的韧性。T10钢材是可以淬火到
HRC60的,为什么普通的(不覆土烧刃)不淬火到HRC58呢?肯定是到了HRC58,刀容易
断。一砍树刀就断了,岂不扫兴?
第三,折叠钢不覆土烧刃,淬火硬度是HRC56,看起来1045 + 1095很是很有效的。覆土
烧刃提高两个HRC,到HRC58. 还有折叠3万层和折叠1千层,性能没区别。
//最后,补几句废话,锋利不锋利与硬度没有特别明显的关系,始皇兵马俑中出土的锋
利的青铜剑,经科研人员检测,硬度是数据是106HRB,约296HV(28.5HRC)。估计越王
勾践剑硬度也不会超过HRC40。不要迷信古代刀剑的神话。现代钢材刀剑性能主要在于
热处理和研磨。一把超市买的斩骨刀,前砍越王勾践剑,后削妖刀村正,不是吹牛。超
过HRC60的硬度易断,不一定是好刀剑。HRC50以上的刀剑,斩铁还是可以的(现在建筑
用螺纹钢筋的硬度,大约是HRC20)。
w*****7
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机械硬盘的盘片是玻璃的,熔了也做不了刀啊。

【在 y****i 的大作中提到】
: 把旧的机械硬盘熔了做刀,怎样?
k**0
发帖数: 19737
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现代刀剑只是好看罢了,不实用。

【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 日本刀的研磨比土鳖NB得多。
: 25块的菜刀用3000元的磨刀石研磨后 能有多快
: https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/37910449
: 其实土产刀也可以很锋利,吹毛断发的。
:
: 了。

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I******n
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好贴,mark
w*****7
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我擦,难怪这个锻剑师在哪里见过。
原来上过新闻电视节目,而且还是著名导演吴宇森先生的御用锻剑师。
15年新闻照片
http://cul.qq.com/a/20171012/006869.htm
http://zjnews.zjol.com.cn/system/2015/04/22/020615100.shtml
大学毕业,算是后一辈锻剑师中最出色的了。跟15年相比,就是头发掉了一些。慢慢地
开始聪明绝顶了。
都人肉出真人了,应该是靠谱的。。。
w*****7
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医院(ebay) item# 183137386935
Amazons上也有卖。
夸张的1045中碳钢和1095高碳钢折叠锻打至 32768层(>30000),粘土烧刃法,有真正
刀纹,刚柔相济。
日本为了保住武士冶刀行业,法律禁止用现代钢才锻打日本武士刀,只能用古法炼刀(
日本玉钢,玉钢性能并不超过今天的1095高碳钢),价钱一般都是RMB 5-6位数。
日本古代名刀有多厉害?下面是硬度
(肖氏硬度,数据源 http://ohmura-study.net/225.html
村正二代就是72硬度。上面的日文翻译过来就是肖氏硬度(HS),72肖氏硬度换算成
HRC也就是54而已,仅仅达到现代工业行业标准及格线而已。其中最优秀的81硬度以及
最优秀的平均硬度68,换算成HRC也不过就是 HRC60 和 HRC51。
HRC HS对照表
土鳖国没什么保护,允许用现代钢材做刀。但是土鳖国又有管制法律,刀具不许开刃。
一不开刃,好多工序都省了,就一样子货。当然了,质量不差,产能高,龙泉剑厂都给
日本低端品牌代工,日本亲和(Shinwa)牌量产日本武士刀都是特么龙泉剑厂代工的。
item# 183137386935 这把刀是我见过用现代钢才锻打的最好的,性能不差。至少比历
史上的所有村正二代都好了,就是刀的装饰吐了点。
如果不喜欢折叠花纹钢(假冒大马士革钢),更现代一点的钢材纯1095或者T10,粘土
烧刃法,也很好。
183183544129、183137327582 (医院item号)好像是龙泉新开的smith,专作日本刀,
师傅都是戴个眼镜的。。。
放到古代,这些特么肯定是宝刀。不过,这是现代投机取巧的刀剑,价钱放在那--土鳖
国没日本人那么死板。
土鳖最近好像有一种样子工艺,叫什么Dark 或者 Red 大马士革,其实也是折叠锻打花
纹钢。红色,就是把打好的花纹钢刀用磷酸盐化学处理,刀里的Mn元素参加化学反应后
,就是红色花纹。这个虽然防锈,但是会降低一丁点的机械性能。
亲和(Shinwa)牌量产日本武士刀最爱搞这个,1060钢折叠1000+或者2000+层,磷酸盐
化学处理发红。(亲和Shinwa武士刀,TrueSwords.com Amazon.com BudK.com 上满大
街,youtube上一堆拿Shinwa Sword砍东西的视频。)
要是有时间和精力,我自己倒是很想自己用瑞粉和轴承钢珠为主材料,锻打一柄现代意
义上的大马士革钢刀。
龙泉古法折叠锻打是因为古时钢材质量不济,百炼可以保证钢材性能一致性。现在现代
钢材性能一致性早就有保证了,再折叠锻打并不能提高性能,1000层、2000层、3万层
,差别不大,只是好看。
要想性能好,就得用更好的材料——粉末钢或者现代的一些工业用钢。
油管上有锻造花纹钢剑的视屏
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w04xHt7uYGs
用的材料很好,德国的1.2842钢和1.2767钢,焊接锻打了16*3*3*3=432层。
德国1.2842钢 淬透性好,淬火时变形小,淬火硬度可以达到HRC63,比1095钢贵5-10倍。
1.2767钢 耐磨性好,高韧性(比1045还好),高抗压强度,尺寸稳定性优良,耐腐蚀
性效果特佳
总之,比中国锻刀的1095、1045钢NB得多(原材料价格也贵得多,1095/T10淬火硬度
HRC57-60,淬火形变较大)
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参考:现代的刀拿到古代会不会成为宝刀?
https://www.zhihu.com/question/21855082
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注意:锋利的能在美国购买的日本武士刀是带不回中国大陆或者日本的,都违法。也就
玩玩。
k**0
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现代钢就没必要折叠锻打了,当然这么干是为了好看。
国内这类刀剑普遍用现成花纹钢打成。

【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 医院(ebay) item# 183137386935
: Amazons上也有卖。
: 夸张的1045中碳钢和1095高碳钢折叠锻打至 32768层(>30000),粘土烧刃法,有真正
: 刀纹,刚柔相济。
: 日本为了保住武士冶刀行业,法律禁止用现代钢才锻打日本武士刀,只能用古法炼刀(
: 日本玉钢,玉钢性能并不超过今天的1095高碳钢),价钱一般都是RMB 5-6位数。
: 日本古代名刀有多厉害?下面是硬度
: (肖氏硬度,数据源 http://ohmura-study.net/225.html
: 村正二代就是72硬度。上面的日文翻译过来就是肖氏硬度(HS),72肖氏硬度换算成
: HRC也就是54而已,仅仅达到现代工业行业标准及格线而已。其中最优秀的81硬度以及

w*****7
发帖数: 4847
15
多废了很多人工和时间,价钱也就上来了。
上来的也就是价钱,性能并没有。
现代钢性能的关键就是热处理工艺。1055钢才热处理成冷钢88系列的,基本都秒杀古代
日本武士刀。
不过折叠钢还有一个好处,锋刃保持性比较好,不用天天磨刀。可是国内刀剑不让开刃
啊,不开刃,就不会用心热处理和研磨,也就成样子货了。
日本法律虽然不允许用现代钢做武士刀,但是是允许做菜刀(日本叫包丁,包丁解牛的
包丁)的。
好多日本包丁都是花纹钢锻打的。

【在 k**0 的大作中提到】
: 现代钢就没必要折叠锻打了,当然这么干是为了好看。
: 国内这类刀剑普遍用现成花纹钢打成。

k**0
发帖数: 19737
16
嗯,日本菜刀确实制作精良,切菜切鱼都不错。上次看到岳母直接拿去剁鸡翅吓到我了。
ebay上卖的便宜日本刀基本都是国产的,早十年周正武还没那么出名的时候还能500块
买到他的刀剑。
如果是拿来砍树枝玩,那冷钢的或者T10钢造的都可以。

【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 多废了很多人工和时间,价钱也就上来了。
: 上来的也就是价钱,性能并没有。
: 现代钢性能的关键就是热处理工艺。1055钢才热处理成冷钢88系列的,基本都秒杀古代
: 日本武士刀。
: 不过折叠钢还有一个好处,锋刃保持性比较好,不用天天磨刀。可是国内刀剑不让开刃
: 啊,不开刃,就不会用心热处理和研磨,也就成样子货了。
: 日本法律虽然不允许用现代钢做武士刀,但是是允许做菜刀(日本叫包丁,包丁解牛的
: 包丁)的。
: 好多日本包丁都是花纹钢锻打的。

w*****7
发帖数: 4847
17
日本刀的研磨比土鳖NB得多。
25块的菜刀用3000元的磨刀石研磨后 能有多快
https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/37910449
其实土产刀也可以很锋利,吹毛断发的。

了。

【在 k**0 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,日本菜刀确实制作精良,切菜切鱼都不错。上次看到岳母直接拿去剁鸡翅吓到我了。
: ebay上卖的便宜日本刀基本都是国产的,早十年周正武还没那么出名的时候还能500块
: 买到他的刀剑。
: 如果是拿来砍树枝玩,那冷钢的或者T10钢造的都可以。

w*****7
发帖数: 4847
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看到这个,
http://www.howitgood.us/10-best-damascus-steel-sword-full-tang/
感觉美国大众玩家的品味很低哈。
Reviews
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1. Shinwa Black Knight Handmade Katana / Samurai Sword - Hand Forged Black
Damascus Steel - Razor Sharp, Full Tang - Fully Functional, Battle Ready,
Ninja Sleek - Faux Ray Skin, Cord Wrap, Dragon Tsuba
Feature
Nothing's darker than the "knight" - beautiful yet formidable, vibrant yet
dark, the Black Knight Katana is spectacular fusion of breathtaking
contrasts
Full tang 28 1/8" black Damascus steel blade, hand forged by Shinwa's master
swordsmiths using proven, centuries-old technique; more than 1,000 distinct
layers
Innovative, exclusive process puts black in black Damascus " result is blade
with brooding dark beauty without equal
Tsuka wrapped in faux ray skin, classic black ito; offset by brilliant brass
dragon menuki; traditional wooden mekugi
Unique, flawlessly cast tsuba features breathtaking relief design that
depicts menacing dragon in extraordinary detail
Description
Shinwa Black Knight Handmade Katana / Samurai Sword - Hand Forged Black
Damascus Steel - Razor Sharp, Full Tang - Fully Functional, Battle Ready,
Ninja Sleek - Faux Ray Skin, Cord Wrap, Dragon Tsuba
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2. SW-99 Handmade Damascus Steel 32.2 Inches Urfael Sword - Great Piece of
Art
Feature
Handmade Full Tang Damascus Steel Sword
Perfect Grip Handle - Sharp Edge Blade
Great Piece of Art Sword
Comes with Leather Scabbard
Beautiful Pattern on Blade
Description
Handmade Damascus Steel Full Tang Damascus Steel Sword Great piece of Art as
well as functional. Beautiful Hand Forged Pattern Blade with Damascus Guard
. Total Length; 32.20 Inches Blade Length;24.20 Inches Handle Length; 08.00
Inches BLADE This Sword is Functional and has Stunning pattern Damascus
steel blades and The blade is Made By 1095/15N20 ALLOY STEELS (176 true
Layers) Hand forged to Beautiful Pattern. Damascus steel of this knife has
high quality contents to give an excellent edge and sharp cutting abilities.
Hardness of the blade of this knife is HRC 58-60 in the lab & been hand
sharpened to a Sharp Edge. BUYING You must be sure and certify that you are
18+ of age and you are able to legally purchase and own an item and will use
it responsibly
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3. Handmade Katana Red Black Damascus Folded Steel Sword Sharp Edge Katnan
Full Tang Blade Sword
Feature
The sword is pure hand forged by using traditional hand forged method
Full hand forged folded steel sharp blade
Blade come with a full length tang
This is a Sharpened and Truly Battle Ready Samurai Sword.
Description
Overall Length: 40.5 inch=104 cm
Nagasa Lengh: 27.8 inch=70.5 cm
Handle Length: 10.6 inch=27 cm
Kissaki Shape: Chu-Kissaki
Blade Shape: SHINOGUI-ZUKURI
Blade Width (near Habaki): 1.26 inch=3.2 cm
Blade Width (near Kissaki): 0.91 inch=2.3 cm
Blade Material: Folded steel
Saya Material: Hard Wooden
Handle Material: Hard Wood + Ray Skin
Tsuba Material: Iron
Sori (curve): 1.8 cm
Package Weight: 2.0 kg
Condition: Brand New
In Addition:
This blade is made of folded steel and has folded 12 times to create the
4096 layers to increase the flexibility and hardness of the blade and a
distinct texture is left on the blade as a result of the repeated folding
during the process.
Bo-hi (blood groove) is added to each side of the blade which can not only
lighten the blade but also balance it to achieve optimal performance. (If
you do not want the Bo-Hi, just let us know and we can customize for you.)
Two seppas spacers secure the Tsuba.
The Habaki (blade collar) is of brass composition.
This saya (sheath) of the sword is hard wooden and lacquered superior paint
to high gloss the surface of it. The Sage-O is tied around the Kurikata (
knob) of the saya, the Koiguchi (scabbard mouth) and Kojiri (scabbard tip)
has been hardened.
Notice:
1. The sword is attached with saya and free silk bag.
2. Box and stand are not included.
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4. Longsword/ Bastard Sword- High Carbon Damascus Steel Sword- 3
Feature
36" Longsword
High Carbon Damascus Steel
Full Tang
Clay Tempered Sharpening
Leather Sheath
Description
The longsword, also known as long sword or long-sword, is a type of European
sword characterized by a cruciform hilt with a two handed with a straight
double-edged blade. The longsword was prevalent during the late medieval and
Renaissance periods (approximately 1350 to 1550), with early and late use
reaching the 13th and 17th centuries. The term bastard sword is used to
identify the longsword during the late medieval and Renaissance period.
Pattern welded Damascus steel is a hard heat treated, folded carbon steel.
There are 11 pieces of steel, folded five times, making 352 layers. The
steel is the perfect combination of hardness and durability with a Rockwell
hardness rating between 55 and 56 HRC. The handle is bone and horn with
Damascus steel bolsters. It comes with a leather sheath. Handle Material:
Wood with Brass Bolsters Overall Length: 36" Rockwell Hardness: 55-56 HRC
Number of layers: 352 Sheath: Leather sheath Blade Material: Damascus steel
6 Pieces of Carbon Steel #43 and #40 5 Pieces of High Carbon Steel 1095 1st
Fold- 11x2=22 Layers 2nd Fold- 22*2=44 Layers 3rd Fold- 44*2=88 Layers 4th
Fold- 88*2=176 Layers 5th Fold- 176*2=352 Layers
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5. Wild Turkey Handmade Damascus Steel Collection Bone Handle Sword w/
Leather Sheath Razor Sharp
Feature
Wild Turkey Handmade Damascus Steel Sword.
Mixed Camel Bone & Wood Handle.
18" Damascus Steel Blade.
24" Overall length.
Includes Leather Sheath.
Description
Wild Turkey Handmade Full Tang Damascus Steel Sword. Mixed Camel Bone & Wood
Handle. 18" Damascus Steel Blade. 24" Overall length. Includes Leather
Sheath.
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6. Shinwa Unbroken Night Handmade Katana / Samurai Sword - Hand Forged Black
Damascus Steel - Razor Sharp, Full Tang - Fully Functional, Battle Ready,
Ninja Sleek - Faux Ray Skin
Feature
Nothing's darker than the night - beautiful yet formidable, vibrant yet dark
, the Unbroken Night Katana is spectacular fusion of breathtaking contrasts
Full tang 28 3/4" black Damascus steel blade, hand forged by Shinwa's master
swordsmiths using proven, centuries-old technique; more than 1,000 distinct
layers
Innovative, exclusive process puts black in black Damascus " result is blade
with brooding dark beauty without equal
Tsuka wrapped in faux ray skin, classic black ito; offset by brilliant brass
dragon menuki; traditional wooden mekugi
Flawlessly cast tsuba features breathtaking pattern, form and detail
Description
Shinwa Unbroken Night Handmade Katana / Samurai Sword - Hand Forged Black
Damascus Steel - Razor Sharp, Full Tang - Fully Functional, Battle Ready,
Ninja Sleek - Faux Ray Skin
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7. Honshu Boshin Hellfire Damascus Handmade Wakizashi Sword - Hand Forged
Red & Black "Hellfire Damascus" Steel, Exclusive Metallurgical Process -
Full Tang, Modern Tactical - TPR Grip, Wooden Saya - 34"
Feature
Takes innovation to another level, from inventive, exclusive Hellfire
Damascus forging process to unique tactical design
22 1/2" Hellfire Damascus steel blade is built for real-world use and the
rigors of modern combat, despite its incredible beauty
Seasoned swordsmiths painstakingly hand-forge every blade; like a dark
snowflake, no two Boshin blades are exactly alike, each with its own unique
patterning
Rugged TPR tsuka - clean, functional design; textured no-slip grip;
ergonomic contours boost comfort, reduce fatigue
Offset elliptical tsuba and angled kashira with lanyard hole for tethering;
both black stainless steel
Description
Honshu Boshin Hellfire Damascus Handmade Wakizashi Sword - Hand Forged Red &
Black "Hellfire Damascus" Steel, Exclusive Metallurgical Process - Full
Tang, Modern Tactical - TPR Grip, Wooden Saya - 34"
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8. Shinwa Genesis Handmade Tachi / Samurai Sword - Hand Forged Damascus
Steel - Historical Katana Predecessor - Traditional Wooden Saya - Cleaning
Kit - Functional, Battle Ready, Full Tang
Feature
Get in touch your swordcraft roots - sublime 21st century example of ancient
Japanese sword with origins around 800 A.D.
Full tang 28" Damascus steel blade - hand forged by master swordsmiths using
time-tested technique as ancient as tachi itself
Museum quality hand craftsmanship, but this is no mere museum piece - blade
boasts serious, real-world cutting clout; sleek, gracefully curved profile
mirrors that of katana's
Flawlessly cast kashira, fuchi accented with delicate, beautiful reliefs;
cast metal tsuba features classic crane design
Hardwood tsuka wrapped in traditional braided ito; extends beyond tsuka onto
saya; vibrant sparkling accents offset ito
Description
Shinwa Genesis Handmade Tachi / Samurai Sword - Hand Forged Damascus Steel -
Historical Katana Predecessor - Traditional Wooden Saya - Cleaning Kit -
Functional, Battle Ready, Full Tang
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9. Handmade Katana Full Black Damascus Folded Steel Sword Jpanese Full Tang
Katana Real Sharp Sword
Feature
The blade of the sword has been hand forged using the ancient method of
sword making and polished with multiple grade sharpen stone by japanese
method.
The full tang blade is hand forged with help of powered hammer,hand polished
. strong and sharp enough for bamboo cutting.
Katana blade is made of damascus folded steel.
Wooden tsuka is wrapped with genuine ray skin and tied with real silk ITO
Description
Overall Length: 40.5 inch=104 cm
Nagasa Lengh: 27.8 inch=70.5 cm
Handle Length: 10.6 inch=27 cm
Kissaki Shape: Chu-Kissaki
Blade Shape: SHINOGUI-ZUKURI
Blade Width (near Habaki): 1.26 inch=3.2 cm
Blade Width (near Kissaki): 0.91 inch=2.3 cm
Blade Material: Folded steel
Saya Material: Hard Wooden
Handle Material: Hard Wood + Ray Skin
Tsuba Material: Zinc Alloy
Sori (curve): 1.8 cm
Package Weight: 2.0 kg
Condition: Brand New
In Addition:
This blade is made of folded steel and has folded 12 times to create the
4096 layers to increase the flexibility and hardness of the blade and a
distinct texture is left on the blade as a result of the repeated folding
during the process.
Bo-hi (blood groove) is added to each side of the blade which can not only
lighten the blade but also balance it to achieve optimal performance. (If
you do not want the Bo-Hi, just let us know and we can customize for you.)
Two seppas spacers secure the Tsuba.
The Habaki (blade collar) is of brass composition.
This saya (sheath) of the sword is hard wooden and lacquered superior paint
to high gloss the surface of it. The Sage-O is tied around the Kurikata (
knob) of the saya, the Koiguchi (scabbard mouth) and Kojiri (scabbard tip)
has been hardened.
Notice:
1. The sword is attached with saya and free silk bag.
2. Box and stand are not included.
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10. Norse Tradesman Handforged Viking Knife With Cowhide Leather Sheath - 6.
5" Sharp Carbon Steel, Full Tang Blade
Feature
HAND-FORGED MEDIEVAL DESIGN - Drawing inspiration from Norse mythology and
historical artifacts, this Viking utility knife features a carefully hand-
crafted raven head hilt and antique, semi-polished blade.
HIGH QUALITY CONSTRUCTION - Forged from one solid piece of carbon steel (
full tang handle), this Viking knife is built to last and designed to
perform.
NOT JUST A COSTUME KNIFE - This high-quality, CARBON STEEL blade has been
given an excellent heat treatment to achieve a 56-58 Rockwell scale hardness
. Also features a semi-razor sharp edge, so the medieval utility knife can
be used for a variety of practical applications. This is not a toy!
PURE COWHIDE LEATHER SHEATH - Recognize the incredible quality of the
cowhide sheath with a simple touch or glance. Conveniently strap the sheath
to any belt and keep this impressive blade on your hip at all times.
DIMENSIONS - Total Length: 11" | Blade Length: 6.5" | Handle length: 4.5" |
Hardness of Knife: 56-58 HRC
Description
KNIFE DESIGN
This incredible design of knife is 100% fully hand forged. This is a piece
of true craftsmanship. The knife is constructed with a full tang handle and
is made from high quality carbon steel. The impressive blade comes semi-
razor sharp, so it can be used in a variety of ways. The medieval production
features an artful raven's head hilt and an antique patina blade. Hilt is
bound with cowhide pure leather and comes with a beautiful, cowhide sheath
with belt loop.
DIMENSIONS:
Overall Length: 27.94 cm
Blade Length: 16.51 cm
Handle length: 11.43 cm
Hardness of Knife: 56-58 HRC
Accessories: Pure cowhide leather sheath
CARE TIPS:
Knife blade should always be clean and treat with oil after use.
DISCLAIMER:
We commit not to sell knives to anybody that is under age 18. Buyer is
responsible to check the laws in his/her local state, city or country.
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Conclusion
All above are our suggestions for damascus steel sword full tang. This might
not suit you, so we prefer that you read all detail information also
customer reviews to choose yours. Please also help to share your experience
when using damascus steel sword full tang with us by comment in this post.
Thank you!
马总倒是很推荐Shinwa的Damascus Sword,
Shinwa 的质量 Review,很长,有耐心就自己看
https://www.sword-buyers-guide.com/quality-of-shinwa-swords.html
总的说来还是好的多,也不乏缺点。现代1060钢材玩花样搞出来的东西,日本廉价品牌
+中国代工生产,外观超级好看,我就对那款 座头市直刃(杖刀)动过心,一直都想搞
一款防身。不过一直缺货,ebay上有货价格又不好。。。
说起来,现在龙泉很多厂子都在给人代工。这些东西真正的性能还得靠热处理。就是不
知道热处理是日本做的还是继续交给龙泉做。
上面推荐中还有一款非Shinwa品牌的,不知名牌子,也是中国代工的。土鳖折叠花纹钢
,水很深,用什么材料往往不知道,注明了具体材料的还算是有良心的。一般都是注明
高碳钢,高碳钢的哪一种不说。有些是 1060折叠锻打,有些是1060+T8工具钢,还有
1060+1095,1045+1095,1045+T8,能处理发红的肯定含有锰。我很稀饭那个德国1.
2842+1.2767的组合,感觉就是 1095+1045的增强版。花纹钢,折叠锻打,肯定是要刚
柔相济,同时有点美观。用性能接近的两种钢,完全是图好看去了,这种在节目《锻刀
大赛》中肯定被淘汰。
y****i
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把旧的机械硬盘熔了做刀,怎样?
w*****7
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20
一直以为DTYES是个新开的作坊,狗了一下,发现是一个公司。
有自己的网上店面(https://dtyes-factory.aliexpress.com/store/2945115)。老板
似乎很想做大的。这是闲话。
注意到今天,DTYES的ebay店卖了好几把刀。
对比他家列的items和一些参数,发现很有意思。
第一,1095/T10的武士刀,最低的硬度是HRC48,不知道淬火没淬火。剑身发红(用磷
酸盐泡过)的那款T10的武士刀硬度也是HRC48。有一款T10双刃剑,硬度也是HRC48, 锋
利度堪比刀片,Sharp, Can Cut Bamboo,Paper,Grass Matting。HRC48,相当于HS 65
,基本上就是古代日本名刀的平均水准(一楼有表)。。最高的是HRC54 (HS 72),
估计淬火过,硬度达到了古代村正顶级刀的水准。
第二,覆土烧刃还是很有效很NB的。覆土烧刃过的T10的武士刀,硬度达到了HRC58,秒
了古代村正全家。既然是覆土烧刃,肯定是考虑了刀的韧性。T10钢材是可以淬火到
HRC60的,为什么普通的(不覆土烧刃)不淬火到HRC58呢?肯定是到了HRC58,刀容易
断。一砍树刀就断了,岂不扫兴?
第三,折叠钢不覆土烧刃,淬火硬度是HRC56,看起来1045 + 1095很是很有效的。覆土
烧刃提高两个HRC,到HRC58. 还有折叠3万层和折叠1千层,性能没区别。
//最后,补几句废话,锋利不锋利与硬度没有特别明显的关系,始皇兵马俑中出土的锋
利的青铜剑,经科研人员检测,硬度是数据是106HRB,约296HV(28.5HRC)。估计越王
勾践剑硬度也不会超过HRC40。不要迷信古代刀剑的神话。现代钢材刀剑性能主要在于
热处理和研磨。一把超市买的斩骨刀,前砍越王勾践剑,后削妖刀村正,不是吹牛。超
过HRC60的硬度易断,不一定是好刀剑。HRC50以上的刀剑,斩铁还是可以的(现在建筑
用螺纹钢筋的硬度,大约是HRC20)。
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w*****7
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机械硬盘的盘片是玻璃的,熔了也做不了刀啊。

【在 y****i 的大作中提到】
: 把旧的机械硬盘熔了做刀,怎样?
k**0
发帖数: 19737
22
现代刀剑只是好看罢了,不实用。

【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 日本刀的研磨比土鳖NB得多。
: 25块的菜刀用3000元的磨刀石研磨后 能有多快
: https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/37910449
: 其实土产刀也可以很锋利,吹毛断发的。
:
: 了。

I******n
发帖数: 5952
23
好贴,mark
w*****7
发帖数: 4847
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我擦,难怪这个锻剑师在哪里见过。
原来上过新闻电视节目,而且还是著名导演吴宇森先生的御用锻剑师。
15年新闻照片
http://cul.qq.com/a/20171012/006869.htm
http://zjnews.zjol.com.cn/system/2015/04/22/020615100.shtml
大学毕业,算是后一辈锻剑师中最出色的了。跟15年相比,就是头发掉了一些。慢慢地
开始聪明绝顶了。
都人肉出真人了,应该是靠谱的。。。
w*****7
发帖数: 4847
25
过一会来写磨刀石。
m********n
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要不像岛国锁男那样整几捆锡箔纸用来锻刀?
w*****7
发帖数: 4847
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岛国有工业基础,玩的花样就多了。
用碳纤维做刀,也是锋利无比

【在 m********n 的大作中提到】
: 要不像岛国锁男那样整几捆锡箔纸用来锻刀?
T*******x
发帖数: 8565
28
这个贴不错。也适合历史版。

【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 医院(ebay) item# 183137386935
: Amazons上也有卖。
: 夸张的1045中碳钢和1095高碳钢折叠锻打至 32768层(>30000),粘土烧刃法,有真正
: 刀纹,刚柔相济。
: 日本为了保住武士冶刀行业,法律禁止用现代钢才锻打日本武士刀,只能用古法炼刀(
: 日本玉钢,玉钢性能并不超过今天的1095高碳钢),价钱一般都是RMB 5-6位数。
: 日本古代名刀有多厉害?下面是硬度
: (肖氏硬度,数据源 http://ohmura-study.net/225.html
: 村正二代就是72硬度。上面的日文翻译过来就是肖氏硬度(HS),72肖氏硬度换算成
: HRC也就是54而已,仅仅达到现代工业行业标准及格线而已。其中最优秀的81硬度以及

w*****7
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马氏体的维氏硬度(Hv)是1000、金刚石维氏硬度是10000。
石英的肖氏硬度(Hs)是100、刚玉(Al2O3)是 400,金刚石肖氏硬度是1600。
w*****7
发帖数: 4847
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过一会来写磨刀石。
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萬能的硬件版啊请推荐下好用,锋利的菜刀
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m********n
发帖数: 3812
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要不像岛国锁男那样整几捆锡箔纸用来锻刀?
w*****7
发帖数: 4847
32
岛国有工业基础,玩的花样就多了。
用碳纤维做刀,也是锋利无比

【在 m********n 的大作中提到】
: 要不像岛国锁男那样整几捆锡箔纸用来锻刀?
T*******x
发帖数: 8565
33
这个贴不错。也适合历史版。

【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 医院(ebay) item# 183137386935
: Amazons上也有卖。
: 夸张的1045中碳钢和1095高碳钢折叠锻打至 32768层(>30000),粘土烧刃法,有真正
: 刀纹,刚柔相济。
: 日本为了保住武士冶刀行业,法律禁止用现代钢才锻打日本武士刀,只能用古法炼刀(
: 日本玉钢,玉钢性能并不超过今天的1095高碳钢),价钱一般都是RMB 5-6位数。
: 日本古代名刀有多厉害?下面是硬度
: (肖氏硬度,数据源 http://ohmura-study.net/225.html
: 村正二代就是72硬度。上面的日文翻译过来就是肖氏硬度(HS),72肖氏硬度换算成
: HRC也就是54而已,仅仅达到现代工业行业标准及格线而已。其中最优秀的81硬度以及

w*****7
发帖数: 4847
34
马氏体的维氏硬度(Hv)是1000、金刚石维氏硬度是10000。
石英的肖氏硬度(Hs)是100、刚玉(Al2O3)是 400,金刚石肖氏硬度是1600。
c*****h
发帖数: 14923
35
哈哈,算硬件,但不是计算机硬件啊。。。
V**3
发帖数: 12756
36
能给推荐个能买到的中式菜刀么?
不习惯shun等刀型

【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 医院(ebay) item# 183137386935
: Amazons上也有卖。
: 夸张的1045中碳钢和1095高碳钢折叠锻打至 32768层(>30000),粘土烧刃法,有真正
: 刀纹,刚柔相济。
: 日本为了保住武士冶刀行业,法律禁止用现代钢才锻打日本武士刀,只能用古法炼刀(
: 日本玉钢,玉钢性能并不超过今天的1095高碳钢),价钱一般都是RMB 5-6位数。
: 日本古代名刀有多厉害?下面是硬度
: (肖氏硬度,数据源 http://ohmura-study.net/225.html
: 村正二代就是72硬度。上面的日文翻译过来就是肖氏硬度(HS),72肖氏硬度换算成
: HRC也就是54而已,仅仅达到现代工业行业标准及格线而已。其中最优秀的81硬度以及

w*****5
发帖数: 1
37
你是说Shun的中式菜刀不好还是其他的意思?

【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 能给推荐个能买到的中式菜刀么?
: 不习惯shun等刀型

d********m
发帖数: 3662
38
very 硬, lol
V**3
发帖数: 12756
39
俺家的两把shun都是西式七,8 寸刀
快倒是快,就是拿着不顺手,还是觉着中式菜刀顺手
不过这菜刀恐怕不只七八十一把了,有点小贵

【在 w*****5 的大作中提到】
: 你是说Shun的中式菜刀不好还是其他的意思?
w*****5
发帖数: 1
40
关键词 Chinese Cleaver Knife Damascus,搜吧。总会有相对便宜的。

【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 俺家的两把shun都是西式七,8 寸刀
: 快倒是快,就是拿着不顺手,还是觉着中式菜刀顺手
: 不过这菜刀恐怕不只七八十一把了,有点小贵

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c*****h
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41
我记得这把shun 300多啊,舍得用来砍骨头吗?

【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 俺家的两把shun都是西式七,8 寸刀
: 快倒是快,就是拿着不顺手,还是觉着中式菜刀顺手
: 不过这菜刀恐怕不只七八十一把了,有点小贵

V**3
发帖数: 12756
42
俺家的两把西式shun都是有deal时候买的,一把连税才六十多
这种大菜刀肯定贵死,砍骨头肯定舍不得,顶多切菜切肉

【在 c*****h 的大作中提到】
: 我记得这把shun 300多啊,舍得用来砍骨头吗?
C****7
发帖数: 614
43
图片那个shun本来就是切片刀啊,砍骨头有专门的斩骨刀

【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 俺家的两把西式shun都是有deal时候买的,一把连税才六十多
: 这种大菜刀肯定贵死,砍骨头肯定舍不得,顶多切菜切肉

v*****w
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44
这把我有,手感不错,但钝了之后超级不好磨,寄回shun磨完之后没有刚买那么锋利,
用 chef‘s choice 15度电动磨刀的也完全没用。。。实在不想学手动磨刀和挑石头
,所以闲置了。。。


: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61gw45o2N7L._SL1500_.
jpg

: 你是说Shun的中式菜刀不好还是其他的意思?



【在 w*****5 的大作中提到】
: 关键词 Chinese Cleaver Knife Damascus,搜吧。总会有相对便宜的。
c*****h
发帖数: 14923
45
现在shun不给磨刀服务了,我的都是自己磨

【在 v*****w 的大作中提到】
: 这把我有,手感不错,但钝了之后超级不好磨,寄回shun磨完之后没有刚买那么锋利,
: 用 chef‘s choice 15度电动磨刀的也完全没用。。。实在不想学手动磨刀和挑石头
: ,所以闲置了。。。
:
:
: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61gw45o2N7L._SL1500_.
: jpg
:
: 你是说Shun的中式菜刀不好还是其他的意思?
:

w*****5
发帖数: 1
46
电动磨刀器适合开刃,因为粒度比较粗。
不够锋利是必然的。
还是上Sharpton Stone吧。2000# & 12000# 两块足够,多了是浪费。

_.

【在 v*****w 的大作中提到】
: 这把我有,手感不错,但钝了之后超级不好磨,寄回shun磨完之后没有刚买那么锋利,
: 用 chef‘s choice 15度电动磨刀的也完全没用。。。实在不想学手动磨刀和挑石头
: ,所以闲置了。。。
:
:
: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61gw45o2N7L._SL1500_.
: jpg
:
: 你是说Shun的中式菜刀不好还是其他的意思?
:

W*******3
发帖数: 1204
47
推荐的这个item Ebay搜不到,能麻烦推荐一个可买的吗。如果不在乎花纹, 是不是
1095的就可以。

【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 医院(ebay) item# 183137386935
: Amazons上也有卖。
: 夸张的1045中碳钢和1095高碳钢折叠锻打至 32768层(>30000),粘土烧刃法,有真正
: 刀纹,刚柔相济。
: 日本为了保住武士冶刀行业,法律禁止用现代钢才锻打日本武士刀,只能用古法炼刀(
: 日本玉钢,玉钢性能并不超过今天的1095高碳钢),价钱一般都是RMB 5-6位数。
: 日本古代名刀有多厉害?下面是硬度
: (肖氏硬度,数据源 http://ohmura-study.net/225.html
: 村正二代就是72硬度。上面的日文翻译过来就是肖氏硬度(HS),72肖氏硬度换算成
: HRC也就是54而已,仅仅达到现代工业行业标准及格线而已。其中最优秀的81硬度以及

c*********9
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查了一下德国的1.2842钢,是摸具钢,很硬,用来做刀,浪费了。
德国的热工艺还是很牛啊,买过德国的马氏体钢刀具,极其好用。

【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 医院(ebay) item# 183137386935
: Amazons上也有卖。
: 夸张的1045中碳钢和1095高碳钢折叠锻打至 32768层(>30000),粘土烧刃法,有真正
: 刀纹,刚柔相济。
: 日本为了保住武士冶刀行业,法律禁止用现代钢才锻打日本武士刀,只能用古法炼刀(
: 日本玉钢,玉钢性能并不超过今天的1095高碳钢),价钱一般都是RMB 5-6位数。
: 日本古代名刀有多厉害?下面是硬度
: (肖氏硬度,数据源 http://ohmura-study.net/225.html
: 村正二代就是72硬度。上面的日文翻译过来就是肖氏硬度(HS),72肖氏硬度换算成
: HRC也就是54而已,仅仅达到现代工业行业标准及格线而已。其中最优秀的81硬度以及

c*********9
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模具钢做刀不适用,磨不动,只能再买一个

_.

【在 v*****w 的大作中提到】
: 这把我有,手感不错,但钝了之后超级不好磨,寄回shun磨完之后没有刚买那么锋利,
: 用 chef‘s choice 15度电动磨刀的也完全没用。。。实在不想学手动磨刀和挑石头
: ,所以闲置了。。。
:
:
: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61gw45o2N7L._SL1500_.
: jpg
:
: 你是说Shun的中式菜刀不好还是其他的意思?
:

T******o
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说实话,你们用这些高级刀是做饭还是做其他的啥正经事儿? 和10$一把的沃尔玛的刀
用着有啥区别?
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m****h
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说起刀为什么没人提benchmade的刀啊,
我的随身刀,Bencnhmade Amicus 490,
S90v的钢,好像只有美国有。
锋利无比,而且非常硬,硬到连磨刀石都磨不了,
是居家旅游,杀人灭口的好工具。
k**0
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亚马逊, 十八子菜刀
顺便说一句,菜刀太快不见得是好事,不会用切到手可不是好玩的

【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 能给推荐个能买到的中式菜刀么?
: 不习惯shun等刀型

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