J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 1 碰巧碰到本地一家店生意不太好，积压了一批枪，我一眼看中柜台里面这把Tikka T3,
黑碳钢管，玻璃纤维托，全黑。
原价大概$560,现降价200多，我犹豫是否拿下（不是我想要的270 Win），不过我一付
了一部分订金。
大伙儿说说，如果值得买，我明天就把他拿下？ |
f****t
发帖数: 15913 | 2 buy it ASAP.
【在 J**********r 的大作中提到】
: 碰巧碰到本地一家店生意不太好，积压了一批枪，我一眼看中柜台里面这把Tikka T3,
: 黑碳钢管，玻璃纤维托，全黑。
: 原价大概$560,现降价200多，我犹豫是否拿下（不是我想要的270 Win），不过我一付
: 了一部分订金。
: 大伙儿说说，如果值得买，我明天就把他拿下？
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w*****o
发帖数: 1806 | 3 great deal. just take it.
and if they have more than 1 and can ship, I want one too.
can you pm me that shop's number?
【在 J**********r 的大作中提到】
: 碰巧碰到本地一家店生意不太好，积压了一批枪，我一眼看中柜台里面这把Tikka T3,
: 黑碳钢管，玻璃纤维托，全黑。
: 原价大概$560,现降价200多，我犹豫是否拿下（不是我想要的270 Win），不过我一付
: 了一部分订金。
: 大伙儿说说，如果值得买，我明天就把他拿下？
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a***a
发帖数: 8941 | 4 Tikka T3哪来的什么“玻璃纤维托”？就是普通的塑料托，不过还比较硬，比Savage的
塑料托强多了。
如果真的是新枪，340是绝世好deal。
我当初在local店里拣deal的时候买，外加还有15% off，最后拿下连税也要460。你这
个340的太便宜了，赶紧买 |
j****z
发帖数: 240 | |
J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 6 好，我明天立马拿下。。。。
这家店是卖运动器材的，买枪的一般不到这儿来买，这批枪可能躺在那里有一年多了，
所以降价两百多。
还有一把Savage 116FX 不锈钢的也只要400，原价600多，270win的口径，是我想要的
口径，但还是觉得tikka好，所以要tikka了。。。md,以后可以打moose了。。。。
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】
: Tikka T3哪来的什么“玻璃纤维托”？就是普通的塑料托，不过还比较硬，比Savage的
: 塑料托强多了。
: 如果真的是新枪，340是绝世好deal。
: 我当初在local店里拣deal的时候买，外加还有15% off，最后拿下连税也要460。你这
: 个340的太便宜了，赶紧买
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P*******o
发帖数: 460 | 7 if history has taught us anything, it is that when you see a deal, take it!! |
h**********n
发帖数: 394 | |
d**********g
发帖数: 2014 | 9 打猎还是３０-０６好，一枪走北美。
弹头选择多，１２５gr--２２０gr都能买到，对付不同动物。
【在 J**********r 的大作中提到】
: 碰巧碰到本地一家店生意不太好，积压了一批枪，我一眼看中柜台里面这把Tikka T3,
: 黑碳钢管，玻璃纤维托，全黑。
: 原价大概$560,现降价200多，我犹豫是否拿下（不是我想要的270 Win），不过我一付
: 了一部分订金。
: 大伙儿说说，如果值得买，我明天就把他拿下？
|
H****r
发帖数: 16240 | 10 不好意思啊兄弟，你电话过来的时候我正在别人家打牌，乱哄哄的也没太听清。
后来也一直没打回去。
总之，这支很值，坚决拿下吧！ |
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H******S
发帖数: 6011 | |
f*******r
发帖数: 5301 | 12 308可以和众多的现代战斗步枪共享口径，弹药选择更多，有大量军剩来源
【在 d**********g 的大作中提到】
: 打猎还是３０-０６好，一枪走北美。
: 弹头选择多，１２５gr--２２０gr都能买到，对付不同动物。
|
d**********g
发帖数: 2014 | 13 ３０８打熊有点小
.。
【在 f*******r 的大作中提到】
: 308可以和众多的现代战斗步枪共享口径，弹药选择更多，有大量军剩来源
|
b*****y
发帖数: 130 | 14 我想要Savage 116FX 270不锈钢，不过今年预算还没下来，还黑了一根，就不凑热闹了
。是AccuTrigger + AccuStock吗？ |
f*******r
发帖数: 5301 | 15 308/30-06两者的能量差也就百分之几吧
【在 d**********g 的大作中提到】
: ３０８打熊有点小
: .。
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h*********r
发帖数: 1943 | 16 308和3006差距非常小
300WM才是真的高能弹 |
J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 17 哪里哪里，我这段时间一直在网上研究猎枪的口径，本出各个枪店摸枪，向店员仔细讨
教，回家上网细细调查。
可能是看多了，了解多了，有了些感觉吧，才能在平常的地方发现一些潜在有价值的好
东西。
就像巴菲特，他总是能在低价的时候购入有增值潜力的好股票，这首先归公于他能发现
资产的真实价值。
众位就是能发现好枪真实价值的高手啊！不像我，犹豫，拿捏不定。
【在 h**********n 的大作中提到】
: 楼主您上辈子积德了
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f********r
发帖数: 3155 | 18 而且308是short action，强度比比270/30-06这样的long action要好，也更容易做成
高精度。同样枪管长度，short action的步枪平衡要好，快速拉栓补射也要快。
另外在WSM逐渐流行的今天，买猎枪，上long action不是不可以，但是要慎重吹嘘它的
好处 |
J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 19 多谢老兄的建议，我一定拿下。
这下好了，我终于有一把属于自己的猎枪了，再也不用那把AK47凑数了，准头还是不够
啊，而且倍儿重。
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: 不好意思啊兄弟，你电话过来的时候我正在别人家打牌，乱哄哄的也没太听清。
: 后来也一直没打回去。
: 总之，这支很值，坚决拿下吧！
|
J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 20 那家店就只剩一把Tikka，30-06的口径我恰巧也很满意，跟270 Win谁优谁劣的争论持
续了80年也几乎没有定论，各有优缺点。所以，就这把了，呵呵。
今天去另一家店看了Remington 700 CDL，要价900，唉，说实话，枪挺不错，可这价钱
实在是让我纠结啊！！这把Tikka这么便宜的价格终于可以让我的猎枪购买计划画上句
号了 :)
【在 f*******r 的大作中提到】
: 308可以和众多的现代战斗步枪共享口径，弹药选择更多，有大量军剩来源
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f*******r
发帖数: 5301 | 21 口径可以继续纠结，价钱不能纠结，deal难求，先跳了再说
【在 J**********r 的大作中提到】
: 那家店就只剩一把Tikka，30-06的口径我恰巧也很满意，跟270 Win谁优谁劣的争论持
: 续了80年也几乎没有定论，各有优缺点。所以，就这把了，呵呵。
: 今天去另一家店看了Remington 700 CDL，要价900，唉，说实话，枪挺不错，可这价钱
: 实在是让我纠结啊！！这把Tikka这么便宜的价格终于可以让我的猎枪购买计划画上句
: 号了 :)
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J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 22 " If you feel you must have a magnum rifle, the 7mm Remington Magnum is the
cartridge for you. If you realistically anticipate a high percentage of long
shots at large game and don't mind carrying a relatively long and heavy
rifle, the 7mm Rem. Mag. is a good choice. With appropriate loads it can
shoot as flat as a .270 or hit large game as hard as a .30-06. A typical
scoped 7mm Mag. rifle weighing 8.5 pounds generates just about 20 ft. lbs.
of recoil energy with most common loads. A heavier 7mm Rem. Mag. rifle, like
some of the Weatherby models with a catalog weight of 8-8.5 pounds and a
scoped weight of approximately 9-9.5 pounds, are more comfortable to shoot.
Don't accept a barrel shorter than 24" on any 7mm Magnum rifle.
If you are contemplating the purchase of a long action rifle of standard
weight and length in a standard caliber, whether single shot, bolt, lever,
or pump, then the .270 Win. and .30-06 are probably the best choices. They
offer somewhat more case capacity than the .308 Win. and ultimately that
translates into slightly superior performance with maximum loads. There is
nothing wrong with a standard size rifle in .308 Win. caliber, but there is
no particular advantage, either. Accept no rifle with a barrel shorter than
22" in .270 or .30-06 caliber."
The exception to this would be if the rifle you are contemplating is an
autoloader. The .308 Winchester was specifically designed to function
reliably in autoloading actions and it replaced the .30-06 in military use
primarily for that reason. Reliability is the most important aspect of any
hunting rifle, so the .308 Win. is the odds-on choice for autoloaders.
The primary advantage of the .270 is that it shoots flatter than the other
standard cartridges. In fact, it shoots just as flat as the 7mm Magnum. The
.270 is the yardstick by which other long range cartridges are measured and
the top choice for that purpose. The .270 is also superior to the .30's with
lightweight bullets, so if a lot of jackrabbit shooting or predator hunting
is on the agenda, as well as an occasional elk hunt, then a .270 is
probably the best bet. The .270 kicks a little less in a standard weight
rifle than a .30-06 or 7mm Magnum, or than a lightweight .308 rifle, but
none of these high intensity numbers are light recoiling cartridges.
If you are saving for an Alaskan hunt that includes moose and brown bear,
and simply cannot afford to buy a medium bore rifle to take on your dream
hunt, then the 7mm Rem. Mag. or .30-06 would probably be the best choices
for your all-around rifle. They are slightly superior to the .270 or the .
308 for the really big stuff. Ditto if you live in an area where elk and
moose (or similar size animals worldwide) are your staple game, or where an
encounter with a large, dangerous predator (like a lion or grizzly bear) is
a real possibility.
If you are contemplating purchasing a lightweight rifle with a barrel
shorter than 22", you should seriously consider the .308 Winchester. That is
the situation in which I found myself some years ago. My all-around rifle
at the time was a standard weight Winchester Model 70 in .270 Win. It was an
accurate, powerful, flat shooting and handsome rifle. However, every year
it seemed to get heavier. I yearned for a handier rifle. In fact, I
frequently found myself carrying my little Marlin 1894C lever action .357
Mag. carbine on deer hunts, simply because it was so much easier to tote.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/all_around_cartridges.htm
【在 f********r 的大作中提到】
: 而且308是short action，强度比比270/30-06这样的long action要好，也更容易做成
: 高精度。同样枪管长度，short action的步枪平衡要好，快速拉栓补射也要快。
: 另外在WSM逐渐流行的今天，买猎枪，上long action不是不可以，但是要慎重吹嘘它的
: 好处
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d**********g
发帖数: 2014 | 23 270/308/3006 are all good caliber.
they all have pros and cons.
3006 is the most popular hunting caliber in the world. |
h******d
发帖数: 4761 | |
f********r
发帖数: 3155 | 25 如果你把Chuck Hawks当作gun god，你应该看看Chuck Hawks怎么贬Tikka T3的，这里
以前讨论过，哈哈
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-211246.html
A Critical Look at the Tikka T3
(And Other Economy Hunting Rifles)
By Chuck Hawks
Like many old geezers, I bemoan the loss, or lack, of standards in our
modern world. And nowhere is this devaluation of quality more evident than
in 21st Century hunting rifles. (Actually, the slide started in the 1960's
and accelerated toward the end of the 20th Century).
We are, today, reaping the crop of sub-standard rifles previously sown. Most
of the blame for this falls squarely on the shoulders of the writers and
publishers of the specialty outdoors print magazines. In the quest for
advertising dollars they have turned a blind eye to the constant cheapening
of our hunting guns. Often they have merely parroted the promotional flack
handed to them by the manufacturer's ad agencies.
Thus flimsy, injection molded plastic stocks are praised as "lightweight" or
"weather resistant" rather than criticized as the inferior bedding
platforms that they actually are. Free floating barrels, introduced simply
to minimize the labor cost of precisely bedding a barreled action in a gun
stock, are now praised as an asset by those who know nothing else. A perfect
example of an economy shortcut becoming the new standard.
The deficiencies of receivers that are simply drilled from bar stock and
that substitute heavy washers for integral recoil lugs are never examined in
modern rifle reviews. Often the loading/ejection port--merely a slot cut
into the tubular receiver--is so small that it is difficult or impossible to
load a cartridge directly into the chamber, or manually remove a fired case
. But the implication of this drawback at the range and in the field is
never mentioned in most rifle reviews.
In many cases, "short actions" are merely long actions with the bolt stop
moved to limit bolt travel. The modern gun writers who review these
creations likewise never mention that this defeats the fundamental purpose
of the short action calibers for which these rifles are chambered.
The receiver holds the bolt, which brings up a salient question: does anyone
really believe than a cheap multi-piece, assembled bolt has any possible
advantage over a one-piece forged steel bolt except economy of manufacture?
The use of plastic, nearly disposable, detachable magazines and trigger
guards is overlooked by the popular print press, or actually praised for
their lightweight construction. Talk about spin, these guys could teach the
Washington politicians some tricks!
In fact, "lightweight" and "accuracy" are the buzzwords most frequently used
to "spin" hunting rifle reviews in a paying advertiser's favor. (Cheap
substitute materials are usually lighter--but not stronger--than forged
steel, and most production rifles will occasionally shoot a "braggin' group"
that can be exploited in a review.) Whenever reviewers start touting either
, watch out! There may not be a lot to tout in the critical areas of design,
material quality, manufacture, or fit and finish.
A rifle's lines and finish are largely cosmetic, but why should we be
condemned to hunt with ugly rifles? Matte finishes on barreled actions are
sold as a benefit ("low glare"), but in reality they are simply faster and
thus less expensive for the manufacturer to produce than a highly polished
finish. And the flat black color touted as a stealth advantage of plastic
stocks over walnut is patently absurd. Why would a rational person believe
that such stocks are any less visible to animals in the woods than a wooden
stock?
Have you noticed how the checkered areas on wood stocked Tikka T3 rifles are
divided into several small patches? That is done because it is easier (and
therefore cheaper) to cut a small patch of checkering than a larger one. The
shorter the individual checkering lines, the easier it is to keep them
straight. Once again, manufacturing economy triumphs over aesthetics and
function.
The Tikka T3 is certainly not the only modern hunting rifle to adopt some or
most of these production shortcuts. I have not chosen it for the lead in
this article just to pick on Tikka. I have chosen it as the poster child for
cheap rifles because it is one of the few models to incorporate all of
these cost and quality reducing shortcuts. If there is a production shortcut
out there, the T3 has probably already incorporated it.
Then there is the Tikka 1" 100-yard test. I have yet to see, or even read
about, a T3 hunting rifle that will consistently meet Tikka's 3-shots into 1
" at 100 yards accuracy claim.
Now, unlike many gun writers today, I try not to over emphasize the
importance of accuracy in big game hunting rifles. Big game animals are
large and hair-splitting accuracy is almost never required. A rifle that
will shoot into 2" at 100 yards (2 MOA) is accurate enough for most purposes
. A hunting rifle that will average 1.5 MOA groups is a good one, and most
T3 rifles fall into that category.
But the Beretta/Sako/Tikka conglomerate heavily advertises their accuracy
guarantee. They market their rifles on that basis. And, in my experience,
most Tikka T3 rifles simply will not consistently meet their own accuracy
guarantee. If a average T3 will shoot an occasional 1" group with any load
it is doing well. (Want a real MOA hunting rifle? Read our review of the
Weatherby Vanguard SUB-MOA on the Product Review Page.) Why do none of my
fellow gun writers in the popular press call Beretta on its misleading
advertising?
That is, of course, a rhetorical question. The answer is simple: Beretta
Corp. is a big bucks advertiser in the popular print magazines. But what
about the writers' and editors' obligation to their readers, who pay their
hard earned dollars to read those reviews? Obviously, the word "integrity"
has been deleted from the print mag publishers' spelling checkers.
To add insult to injury, the Tikka T3 is a cheap rifle, but not an
inexpensive one. These things cost as much or more than some higher quality,
better designed, and better turned-out hunting rifles.
None of this means that a person cannot hunt successfully with a Tikka T3
rifle, or that Tikka owners are a particularly dissatisfied lot. There are
many T3 owners who have no complaints, and many who are pleased with the
performance of their T3 rifles and satisfied with their purchase. In truth,
they are safe, functional rifles and perfectly capable of killing game in
the hands of an adequate shot. The same could be said about most other
economy models, including the Stevens 200, Remington 710, and NEF rifles.
But I suspect that most satisfied T3 customers are not experienced rifle
buyers. A person who has never owned a fine rifle is much more likely to be
tolerant (or ignorant) of an economy rifle's shortcomings than an
experienced shooter and hunter. The relative newcomer simply has inadequate
personal experience upon which to formulate an informed opinion.
To make a crude analogy, all acoustic guitars may feel pretty much alike in
the hands of a person who doesn't play, but not to a virtuoso. Similarly, I'
ll bet that most hunters who use economy rifles don't realize that their
rifle's cheap plastic stock is too thick through the wrist and forearm. This
is something that comes into play every time they pick up their rifle, yet
they don't even know that it is deficient! They have never owned a rifle
equipped with a well-designed stock, so they have no frame of reference and
simply don't understand how much better a good rifle feels in the hands.
Still, I find it hard to understand how Tikka stays in business offering
less rifle for more money. The T3's success is a tribute to the ignorance of
the modern American sportsman--and the connivance of the sporting press
upon which they rely for information.
Posted from http://www.chuckhawks.com/critical_look_T3.htm
the
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http://www.chuckhawks.com/all_around_cartridges.htm
【在 J**********r 的大作中提到】
: " If you feel you must have a magnum rifle, the 7mm Remington Magnum is the
: cartridge for you. If you realistically anticipate a high percentage of long
: shots at large game and don't mind carrying a relatively long and heavy
: rifle, the 7mm Rem. Mag. is a good choice. With appropriate loads it can
: shoot as flat as a .270 or hit large game as hard as a .30-06. A typical
: scoped 7mm Mag. rifle weighing 8.5 pounds generates just about 20 ft. lbs.
: of recoil energy with most common loads. A heavier 7mm Rem. Mag. rifle, like
: some of the Weatherby models with a catalog weight of 8-8.5 pounds and a
: scoped weight of approximately 9-9.5 pounds, are more comfortable to shoot.
: Don't accept a barrel shorter than 24" on any 7mm Magnum rifle.
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s******9
发帖数: 1451 | 26 楼主如果我是你，会先选那把savage 116 270win不锈钢的. 如果想进两把，那T3 lite
也入。愿因有三：
1. 差不多的枪（价位品牌等综合考虑)，不锈钢绝对是优先选择。
2. 270 WIN 是你最想要的（俺也极力建议第一把猎枪选这个口径）.
3. T3 lite in 30-06 是个好deal, 不过kick like a mule. 平时练习少很多乐趣，如
果养成对强后座的习惯性心里预期，会影响精度。如果楼主不怕后座，这条不算。 |
a***a
发帖数: 8941 | 27 savage好像也很轻，kick也不差
270和3006的后座没有本质区别
savage也是不错的枪，但是做工感觉不如tikka
lite
【在 s******9 的大作中提到】
: 楼主如果我是你，会先选那把savage 116 270win不锈钢的. 如果想进两把，那T3 lite
: 也入。愿因有三：
: 1. 差不多的枪（价位品牌等综合考虑)，不锈钢绝对是优先选择。
: 2. 270 WIN 是你最想要的（俺也极力建议第一把猎枪选这个口径）.
: 3. T3 lite in 30-06 是个好deal, 不过kick like a mule. 平时练习少很多乐趣，如
: 果养成对强后座的习惯性心里预期，会影响精度。如果楼主不怕后座，这条不算。
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g**********n
发帖数: 1186 | 28 这个差别还是有不小的。且别说180GR的30-06，就说150GR的30-06跟通常的130GR的270
比较，后座差别还是很明显的。这就是为什么这两年来SPORTS AUTHORITY一直在贱卖
TIKKA T3 LITE 30-06口径步枪。大家首选270WIN TIKKA T3 LITE。270的早卖光了。不
过，这$340的价格，管它什么口径都是很好的价格。
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】
: savage好像也很轻，kick也不差
: 270和3006的后座没有本质区别
: savage也是不错的枪，但是做工感觉不如tikka
:
: lite
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s******9
发帖数: 1451 | 29 这两把枪应该差1-1.5磅 （6.5 vs. 8 lb). 其实最简单方法lz 去店里称一下就知道了
。多数人选择270Win 的原因之一，除了弹道平直之外，就是后座较小。我自己打这两
个口径的感觉是，枪重相仿的前提下，30-06 五发之后肩膀就隐隐作痛，270Win 可以
打两三个小时感觉不大（用的都是Remington Core-lokt, 30-06 180 grain, 270 130
grain)。所以当年毫不犹豫选270Win 作第一支栓动猎枪。
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】
: savage好像也很轻，kick也不差
: 270和3006的后座没有本质区别
: savage也是不错的枪，但是做工感觉不如tikka
:
: lite
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d**********g
发帖数: 2014 | 30 我有30-06,用个recoil pad,我用那个limbsaver.
打几个小时没问题. |
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J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 31 求链接。。。
【在 d**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我有30-06,用个recoil pad,我用那个limbsaver.
: 打几个小时没问题.
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d**********g
发帖数: 2014 | |
a***a
发帖数: 8941 | 33 我觉得我打过的270，3006，308的后座都没多大差别，只有300wm明显后座强
可能个人感觉不一样吧 |
a***a
发帖数: 8941 | 34 楼主说的116fx我没找到，在savage网站上找到的fss和fxss，重量都小于7磅
哪一款是8磅的？
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【在 s******9 的大作中提到】
: 这两把枪应该差1-1.5磅 （6.5 vs. 8 lb). 其实最简单方法lz 去店里称一下就知道了
: 。多数人选择270Win 的原因之一，除了弹道平直之外，就是后座较小。我自己打这两
: 个口径的感觉是，枪重相仿的前提下，30-06 五发之后肩膀就隐隐作痛，270Win 可以
: 打两三个小时感觉不大（用的都是Remington Core-lokt, 30-06 180 grain, 270 130
: grain)。所以当年毫不犹豫选270Win 作第一支栓动猎枪。
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s******9
发帖数: 1451 | 35 我查的可能是带镜子的重量。
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】
: 楼主说的116fx我没找到，在savage网站上找到的fss和fxss，重量都小于7磅
: 哪一款是8磅的？
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J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 36 买了Tikka T3 30-06, $339。
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【在 s******9 的大作中提到】
: 这两把枪应该差1-1.5磅 （6.5 vs. 8 lb). 其实最简单方法lz 去店里称一下就知道了
: 。多数人选择270Win 的原因之一，除了弹道平直之外，就是后座较小。我自己打这两
: 个口径的感觉是，枪重相仿的前提下，30-06 五发之后肩膀就隐隐作痛，270Win 可以
: 打两三个小时感觉不大（用的都是Remington Core-lokt, 30-06 180 grain, 270 130
: grain)。所以当年毫不犹豫选270Win 作第一支栓动猎枪。
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d**********g
发帖数: 2014 | 37 Congrats.
好好熟悉你的枪.试试不同子弹,然后focus 1-2种.
我刚刚买了一箱俄罗斯子弹.在sportsmansguide.com |
J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 38 30-06的吗？
【在 d**********g 的大作中提到】
: Congrats.
: 好好熟悉你的枪.试试不同子弹,然后focus 1-2种.
: 我刚刚买了一箱俄罗斯子弹.在sportsmansguide.com
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a***a
发帖数: 8941 | 39 恭喜你抢到了这个好deal，真的是绝世好deal啊 |
d**********g
发帖数: 2014 | |
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d**********g
发帖数: 2014 | 41 这个板上有coupon.
另一个讨论ammo的帖子里. |
s**o
发帖数: 340 | 42 T3的做工太偷工减料，主要的受力部件Recoil lug竟然是用铝合金做的，后坐力作用下
会变形，Sako的是钢制的，所以不要说软点也够用了。好处是出来年头多了，有一定
规模的配件市场。比如那个塑料的bolt shroud打裂了，可以花几十美金换成金属的，
还可以花钱把recil lug换了。
现在美国几家大厂，都按T3的成功经验生产廉价猎枪，Savage Axis, Remington 783，
Ruger American，Marlin x7等，精度都不错，两百多就能买到。T3那个三发一个MOA，
很多猎枪都能做到，现在已经不是多年前信息闭塞的年代，T3可以走下神坛了，这枪卖
三百物有所值，五百多就是宰客了 |
l***1
发帖数: 1500 | 43 同意，觉得LZ还不如进同价位得Savage116FX还好，无论什么，我都不愿买cheap
version版，例如T3是sako的精简版什么的。只有一次例外，见了灰狼改Axis板机，一
时兴起也进了一把，结果懒到现在也没碰一次。
【在 s**o 的大作中提到】
: T3的做工太偷工减料，主要的受力部件Recoil lug竟然是用铝合金做的，后坐力作用下
: 会变形，Sako的是钢制的，所以不要说软点也够用了。好处是出来年头多了，有一定
: 规模的配件市场。比如那个塑料的bolt shroud打裂了，可以花几十美金换成金属的，
: 还可以花钱把recil lug换了。
: 现在美国几家大厂，都按T3的成功经验生产廉价猎枪，Savage Axis, Remington 783，
: Ruger American，Marlin x7等，精度都不错，两百多就能买到。T3那个三发一个MOA，
: 很多猎枪都能做到，现在已经不是多年前信息闭塞的年代，T3可以走下神坛了，这枪卖
: 三百物有所值，五百多就是宰客了
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H******S
发帖数: 6011 | 44 HOHOHOHO
【在 l***1 的大作中提到】
: 同意，觉得LZ还不如进同价位得Savage116FX还好，无论什么，我都不愿买cheap
: version版，例如T3是sako的精简版什么的。只有一次例外，见了灰狼改Axis板机，一
: 时兴起也进了一把，结果懒到现在也没碰一次。
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J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 45 你咋不早说呢？不然就进这把呢！哈哈哈
昨天去取枪的时候，这只savage已经被人抢走了，大快人心啊！
【在 l***1 的大作中提到】
: 同意，觉得LZ还不如进同价位得Savage116FX还好，无论什么，我都不愿买cheap
: version版，例如T3是sako的精简版什么的。只有一次例外，见了灰狼改Axis板机，一
: 时兴起也进了一把，结果懒到现在也没碰一次。
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l***1
发帖数: 1500 | 46 抢走的人是我，你只说savage 116, 我准确到FX3P, 呵呵，工作人员是一位女士，对不
？咋天一小时来回就搞掟了，谢兄弟找到的好deal，沾光了！
【在 J**********r 的大作中提到】
: 你咋不早说呢？不然就进这把呢！哈哈哈
: 昨天去取枪的时候，这只savage已经被人抢走了，大快人心啊！
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s******9
发帖数: 1451 | 47 恭喜lz。Deal 非常好。买了就不要管我们这些人怎么说了。进一枪，爱一枪。
【在 J**********r 的大作中提到】
: 买了Tikka T3 30-06, $339。
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H******S
发帖数: 6011 | 48 Congrats to LZ and lw101. |
J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 49 原来如此，哈哈，没问题，有好消息共享是应该的。我买不了两条枪，告诉大家，让需
要的人去买。
你这只枪确实不错，呵呵，不过我总得两选一啊！
以后打猎叫上我，帮你打下手吧？？？呵呵
【在 l***1 的大作中提到】
: 抢走的人是我，你只说savage 116, 我准确到FX3P, 呵呵，工作人员是一位女士，对不
: ？咋天一小时来回就搞掟了，谢兄弟找到的好deal，沾光了！
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s**o
发帖数: 340 | 50 如果枪是那来打猎打靶的，当然是好枪好用。如果是玩器材的，折腾便宜枪更有成就感
，买回来改版机，坐床，换托。。。变着法子折腾
【在 l***1 的大作中提到】
: 同意，觉得LZ还不如进同价位得Savage116FX还好，无论什么，我都不愿买cheap
: version版，例如T3是sako的精简版什么的。只有一次例外，见了灰狼改Axis板机，一
: 时兴起也进了一把，结果懒到现在也没碰一次。
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w*******t
发帖数: 960 | 51 我还纳闷呢怎么那么就没人问，LZ一发贴就没了，原来是自己人
我今天去了，还剩下11/111 .270的，那个trigger看起来很舒服，不过不是detach的
magazine就没要，
其实我想找个.260 rem口径的，带acu trigger的，听店员说，这个他们不卖，但是可
以order，不知道那样会不会就是msrp了
【在 l***1 的大作中提到】
: 抢走的人是我，你只说savage 116, 我准确到FX3P, 呵呵，工作人员是一位女士，对不
: ？咋天一小时来回就搞掟了，谢兄弟找到的好deal，沾光了！
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t******y
发帖数: 5040 | 52
这逻辑没有看懂。打猎怎么就不能用一只便宜的枪，坐床，改扳机，然后搞的非常精准
，打猎也很爽呢？
【在 s**o 的大作中提到】
: 如果枪是那来打猎打靶的，当然是好枪好用。如果是玩器材的，折腾便宜枪更有成就感
: ，买回来改版机，坐床，换托。。。变着法子折腾
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h**********n
发帖数: 394 | 53 我感觉Chuck Hawks 这人就是那种很典型的old fart 的代表，在枪店经常能够遇到。
他对于浮动式枪管的观点太幼稚了，完全不肯接受新的科学理论。假如浮动枪管就是低
档商家的噱头，那么为何世界上所有的高端狙击步枪都采用纯浮动式枪管？Because it
works, pumpkin.
我有一把Tikka T3 Stainless .243，一把 Savage 10 FCPK 308 (24 fluted heavy
barrel with muzzle break) 和一把 Savage 16 Trophy XP .308(比10FCPK 轻很多，
枪管又厚于Tikka T3). 这三把枪的精度都可以轻松达到sub MOA, 扳机是完全两种不同
的风格，都很优秀。Savage stock 的做工虽然明显不如Tikka, 但是吸收后座与性价比
远高于后者。如果只让我选择一把bolt action 来用于打猎／打靶／玩儿的话，我会毫
不犹豫选择Savage 16 Trophy XP, 因为其厚重的枪管有利于在靶场上维持精度。相比
之下，轻盈的Tikka 在20发以后精度就开始因为枪管过热而降低了。如果单单是打猎，
当然还是选Tikka 270 或者 30-06. 308与243的子弹便宜一些。至于有些人抱怨Tikka
是long action, 我只想说这是一个很无聊的话题。 |
J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 54 "用一只便宜的枪，坐床，改扳机，然后搞的非常精准"-----这样的人往往才是慧眼识
枪的高手。
有钱的话，烧钱买最贵的谁不会呢？可谁能挑到性价比高的，再自己动手把它品质提高
的人才是牛人啊！好猎手，在乎的是享受打猎这种运动带来的乐趣，而不是整天摸着自
己手中的高品质木头托把玩不已，呵呵。。。
多多练习射击，学习打猎技术，不要一味比枪啦！
【在 t******y 的大作中提到】
:
: 这逻辑没有看懂。打猎怎么就不能用一只便宜的枪，坐床，改扳机，然后搞的非常精准
: ，打猎也很爽呢？
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H****r
发帖数: 16240 | 55 LOL
老大手好快
【在 l***1 的大作中提到】
: 抢走的人是我，你只说savage 116, 我准确到FX3P, 呵呵，工作人员是一位女士，对不
: ？咋天一小时来回就搞掟了，谢兄弟找到的好deal，沾光了！
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l***1
发帖数: 1500 | 56 有贪不贪，罪大恶极，浪费是最大的犯罪嘛！
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: LOL
: 老大手好快
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J**********r
发帖数: 508 | 57 这叫＂天予弗取，反被其咎＂。
老天爷给你的，你就拿着吧！哈哈
【在 l***1 的大作中提到】
: 有贪不贪，罪大恶极，浪费是最大的犯罪嘛！
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