P******9 发帖数: 183 | 1 今天在枪店range 租了一把ruger 9mm carbine, 比ruger 10/22感觉好多了。请问有人
用9mm rifle吗?
SHTF时只用一种子弹不是很好吗? |
H****r 发帖数: 16240 | 2 我当年P89没卖掉的时候
倒是想买一支PC9,通用弹匣
但这东西也要六百多块钱
想想不如上AR了
【在 P******9 的大作中提到】 : 今天在枪店range 租了一把ruger 9mm carbine, 比ruger 10/22感觉好多了。请问有人 : 用9mm rifle吗? : SHTF时只用一种子弹不是很好吗?
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b******o 发帖数: 5644 | 3 如果你有伯来他,直接上他家的就好了,连弹夹都是通用的。 |
n****e 发帖数: 6292 | 4 keltec原本只卖两百多,现在涨到300多了。可以通用glock sig beretta等的弹夹
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P******9 发帖数: 183 | 5 谁给科普一下比较AR,用9mm rifle的优劣?
谢了先
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】 : 我当年P89没卖掉的时候 : 倒是想买一支PC9,通用弹匣 : 但这东西也要六百多块钱 : 想想不如上AR了
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f****t 发帖数: 15913 | 7 最大的缺点是丑,而且是及丑,细脚零丁的弹匣插进宽大的机匣,就象一个细腿的人穿
了一个宽大的裤衩。
【在 P******9 的大作中提到】 : 谁给科普一下比较AR,用9mm rifle的优劣? : 谢了先
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u*1 发帖数: 907 | 8 劣势很多的
射程短(装药量少),连续射击后座难控制(枪重量轻),精度低(枪管短,膛线简单
),弹头动能太小,等等
好处是口径和手枪弹通用,很容易做成SBR或者pistol AR?
【在 P******9 的大作中提到】 : 谁给科普一下比较AR,用9mm rifle的优劣? : 谢了先
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a***a 发帖数: 8941 | 9 No, using 9mm is very easy to control, maybe easier than 223Rem
I used to shot Sten sub-machinegun, very easy to control in full auto
Lots of sub machine guns using 9mm ammo, easier to control than full-auto
rifles
【在 u*1 的大作中提到】 : 劣势很多的 : 射程短(装药量少),连续射击后座难控制(枪重量轻),精度低(枪管短,膛线简单 : ),弹头动能太小,等等 : 好处是口径和手枪弹通用,很容易做成SBR或者pistol AR?
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j***n 发帖数: 3786 | 10 I have a 9mm AR. It is cheap and fun to shoot, but it is still a toy IMO. |
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h*********2 发帖数: 2508 | 11 It should be more powerful than pistols of the same caliber right?
I've been looking at Beretta CX series too but many people call them 'range
gun', I wonder why? They should be more lethal than pistol and .22 rifle
right?
【在 j***n 的大作中提到】 : I have a 9mm AR. It is cheap and fun to shoot, but it is still a toy IMO.
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a***a 发帖数: 8941 | 12 Yes, you can think it as a semi-auot version sub-machine gun
range
【在 h*********2 的大作中提到】 : It should be more powerful than pistols of the same caliber right? : I've been looking at Beretta CX series too but many people call them 'range : gun', I wonder why? They should be more lethal than pistol and .22 rifle : right?
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j***n 发帖数: 3786 | 13 think about it. when you carry a pistol and a rifle.
why you need a pistol caliber rifle? it is range gun for fun only. im
selling my toys all the time, but will never sell my duty weapons which is a
Custom AR+P226 X5 Tac
range
【在 h*********2 的大作中提到】 : It should be more powerful than pistols of the same caliber right? : I've been looking at Beretta CX series too but many people call them 'range : gun', I wonder why? They should be more lethal than pistol and .22 rifle : right?
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p******a 发帖数: 413 | 14 9mm的sub machine gun还是很牛的,大家仿佛都忘记了MP5这种武器在Urban CQB上的重
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j***n 发帖数: 3786 | 15 yup, sub machine gun... semi auto 9mm is not so effective...
【在 p******a 的大作中提到】 : 9mm的sub machine gun还是很牛的,大家仿佛都忘记了MP5这种武器在Urban CQB上的重 : 要性
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h*********2 发帖数: 2508 | 16
a
But in close range pistol ammo is equally lethal right? like the other guys
said, MP5 and a bunch of other SMGs all use pistol caliber. Last time when I
was on Ellis Island the guards were using MP5. Same with Buckingham Palace
guards.
I can see a point is that SMGs are shorter than a 'range gun' like the CX4,
is that why it's considered a toy (big size small power)?
【在 j***n 的大作中提到】 : think about it. when you carry a pistol and a rifle. : why you need a pistol caliber rifle? it is range gun for fun only. im : selling my toys all the time, but will never sell my duty weapons which is a : Custom AR+P226 X5 Tac : : range
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f*******t 发帖数: 157 | 17 How long have you been on duty? Longer than these guys?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5#Users
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【在 j***n 的大作中提到】 : think about it. when you carry a pistol and a rifle. : why you need a pistol caliber rifle? it is range gun for fun only. im : selling my toys all the time, but will never sell my duty weapons which is a : Custom AR+P226 X5 Tac : : range
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p******a 发帖数: 413 | 18
您说的这个duty和他说的那个duty不是一回事儿
【在 f*******t 的大作中提到】 : How long have you been on duty? Longer than these guys? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5#Users : : a
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f*******t 发帖数: 157 | 19 duty weapon是条子常用术语,一般老百姓不on duty,所以不这么说
【在 p******a 的大作中提到】 : : 您说的这个duty和他说的那个duty不是一回事儿
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S**********s 发帖数: 4534 | 20 I wanted a .45ACP carbine for myself too! Why? because I can shoot it on the
pistol range for fun.
more and more agencies have switched over to carbines and SBRs over the
years.
sub guns are still being used because of old training doctrines, abundance
of ammunition and existing units in the arsenal and such. They also have a
natural advantage at suppressed shooting compared to high velocity small
caliber rifle.
Since we don't have half a million of 9mm rounds stockpiled in the garage,
no dozens of SMGs sitting in the gun-rack, nor do most of us have access to
full-auto supressed SMGs, i'd say go straight to a rifle if you mean
business.
SMG was a good idea for a time, when the only low-recoil cartridges suitable
for full-auto fire were the pistol rounds.
nowadays every bank robber and gun-free-zone massacring nut job armed
themselves with full body armors and full power rifles, 9mm pea shooters
just ain't gonna cut it no more.
【在 f*******t 的大作中提到】 : How long have you been on duty? Longer than these guys? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5#Users : : a
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f*******t 发帖数: 157 | 21 Shot placement is the key.
the
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【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】 : I wanted a .45ACP carbine for myself too! Why? because I can shoot it on the : pistol range for fun. : more and more agencies have switched over to carbines and SBRs over the : years. : sub guns are still being used because of old training doctrines, abundance : of ammunition and existing units in the arsenal and such. They also have a : natural advantage at suppressed shooting compared to high velocity small : caliber rifle. : Since we don't have half a million of 9mm rounds stockpiled in the garage, : no dozens of SMGs sitting in the gun-rack, nor do most of us have access to
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S**********s 发帖数: 4534 | 22 easier said than done.
otherwise North Hollywood shootout would have lasted 44 seconds. |
f*******t 发帖数: 157 | 23 True.
Except for those in serious business, 9mm or 45acp carbines
make good home defense weapon. More fire power than pistol, less over
penetration then rifle, more controllable than rifle or shotgun.
I want a good 45ACP carbines myself, but don't know any good and affordable
ones. HK makes a ridiculously expensive one.
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】 : easier said than done. : otherwise North Hollywood shootout would have lasted 44 seconds.
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d*******s 发帖数: 15155 | |
S**********s 发帖数: 4534 | 25 I agree that pistol carbines are more fire power than pistol, and home
defense doesn't require concealability.
as far as recoil, I've had the occasion of shooting full-auto Mk18s, and the
recoil was just as light as your full sized AR15, which is a breeze.
in terms of free recoil energy, .223 SBRs only produce about 1 or 2 foot-
pounds of energy more than pistol carbines weighting around 5 pounds, but
stopping power is a whole other story.
affordable
【在 f*******t 的大作中提到】 : True. : Except for those in serious business, 9mm or 45acp carbines : make good home defense weapon. More fire power than pistol, less over : penetration then rifle, more controllable than rifle or shotgun. : I want a good 45ACP carbines myself, but don't know any good and affordable : ones. HK makes a ridiculously expensive one.
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S**********s 发帖数: 4534 | 26 HK's plastic USC45 is retardedly overpriced, so I looked around for other .
45 semi carbines and so far this is what I got:
Beretta cx4 .45: not CA legal without bullet button and no readily available
bullet buttons;
Mechtech/hera/whatever 1911 carbine kit: not CA legal without modification;
MasterPiece Arms MPA: ugly as shit;
Hi-Point: it's a hi-point;
Kriss - overpriced;
Auto Ordnance Thompson series - cool to have, but too expensive.
AR .45 - one of the best(only) choices. I plan to buy an AR in the future
and I can use the same lower.
Just Right Carbines - Fairly new, decently priced, CA complaint version is
readily available. takes glock or 1911 magazines. only thing if anything,
that it is not compatible with AR :(
here is a review for Cx4 and JR carbine.
http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/m-1337111960.99969/
affordable
【在 f*******t 的大作中提到】 : True. : Except for those in serious business, 9mm or 45acp carbines : make good home defense weapon. More fire power than pistol, less over : penetration then rifle, more controllable than rifle or shotgun. : I want a good 45ACP carbines myself, but don't know any good and affordable : ones. HK makes a ridiculously expensive one.
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C*******r 发帖数: 10345 | 27 其实357的lever action步枪不错,比手枪威力大,载弹量10发,射速只要练习一下,
不比半自动慢多少。当然要是有357或.44mag的半自动最好了。 |
S**********s 发帖数: 4534 | 28 有啊, Ruger 99/44, 半自动.44 mag.
但我想要pistol carbine不是为了追求家防或者威力, 只是好玩。
家防有霰弹和步枪, .357和.44mag都可以靠边站。 |
f*******t 发帖数: 157 | 29 Thanks. AR .45 is the best choice.
CX4 just doesn't look right.
available
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】 : HK's plastic USC45 is retardedly overpriced, so I looked around for other . : 45 semi carbines and so far this is what I got: : Beretta cx4 .45: not CA legal without bullet button and no readily available : bullet buttons; : Mechtech/hera/whatever 1911 carbine kit: not CA legal without modification; : MasterPiece Arms MPA: ugly as shit; : Hi-Point: it's a hi-point; : Kriss - overpriced; : Auto Ordnance Thompson series - cool to have, but too expensive. : AR .45 - one of the best(only) choices. I plan to buy an AR in the future
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f*******t 发帖数: 157 | 30 停产了,否则值得弄一把
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】 : 有啊, Ruger 99/44, 半自动.44 mag. : 但我想要pistol carbine不是为了追求家防或者威力, 只是好玩。 : 家防有霰弹和步枪, .357和.44mag都可以靠边站。
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j***n 发帖数: 3786 | 31 realli..
【在 f*******t 的大作中提到】 : duty weapon是条子常用术语,一般老百姓不on duty,所以不这么说
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j***n 发帖数: 3786 | 32 now days, most SWAT and SOPs will use SBR .223 with heavier bullet.
MP5 is in the history book now.
【在 f*******t 的大作中提到】 : How long have you been on duty? Longer than these guys? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5#Users : : a
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a***a 发帖数: 8941 | 33 我打过44Mag的杠杆枪,感觉后坐力还是挺大的,不利于速射
另外,如果考虑SHTF的时候跑路,要增加携弹量的话,我比较喜欢轻一些的弹药。
所以,像223,或者5.7x28, 或者9毫米手枪弹也行,但是45ACP太重了,一个人背不了
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H****r 发帖数: 16240 | 34 嗯,最灵活的还是AR
available
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】 : HK's plastic USC45 is retardedly overpriced, so I looked around for other . : 45 semi carbines and so far this is what I got: : Beretta cx4 .45: not CA legal without bullet button and no readily available : bullet buttons; : Mechtech/hera/whatever 1911 carbine kit: not CA legal without modification; : MasterPiece Arms MPA: ugly as shit; : Hi-Point: it's a hi-point; : Kriss - overpriced; : Auto Ordnance Thompson series - cool to have, but too expensive. : AR .45 - one of the best(only) choices. I plan to buy an AR in the future
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H****r 发帖数: 16240 | 35 灰猫当年摘编过一篇:
http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsann2/sports.faq/GunsAndGears/D12762159
里面就有Ruger 44 Carbine实战例子
反正现在AR的模块很多
这些东西慢慢都被淘汰了
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】 : 有啊, Ruger 99/44, 半自动.44 mag. : 但我想要pistol carbine不是为了追求家防或者威力, 只是好玩。 : 家防有霰弹和步枪, .357和.44mag都可以靠边站。
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