a*****9
发帖数: 805 | 1 O8还是签了NDAA, 大家还是有所准备吧。。。 |
k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | |
S***Z
发帖数: 1029 | |
l******8
发帖数: 9475 | |
r****o
发帖数: 4282 | 5
注意：如该法案在2012年1月由奥巴马总统正式签署，即具备法律效力（很快了，恭喜
美国，99%你们危险了）
美国参议院以93票对7票的绝对优势通过新的”国防授权法案“（NDAA National
Defense Authorization Act），允许美国军方在没有指控、没有审判的情况下，无限
期（注意是无限期）拘捕任何美国公民；同时再次确认可以使用“坐水凳”以及其他“
更先进”的虐囚方式。
据香港《大公报》网站12月6日援引外电报道，绝大部分美国人对《国防授权法案
》获美国参院通过的新闻一无所知，因为美国主流媒体不约而同地对此新闻选择沉默，
就连平时热衷人权的美联社、《纽约时报》等也对《国防授权法案》如何侵犯美国公民
权利的事实只字不提。
报道称，美国只有少数非主流媒体如“Business Insider”、《连线》杂志和《基
督教科学箴言报》对法案提出了质疑，其他广播媒体则不愿意报道《国防授权法案》。
“Business Insider”一名编辑日前向三大有线新闻网络的督制和主播发电邮，希望他
们报道此事，但他们却没有任何人愿意挺身而出。
这项立法授权规定：
美国总统可以对任何国家，国内和国外的组织和人士采取单方面的军事行动，
对象为那些被认为是在目前或过去支持或从事对美国或其盟国采取任何敌对行为的国家
、组织和人士。
该立法取消了必须经过国会批准才能使用武力的要求，而是赋予总统极权独裁的权
力，可以在任何一个不确定的时间内采取任何军事行动。
它甚至赋予总统权力，可以不顾国会的监督，对美国国内的公民进行打击。这一授
权还规定，在未来无限期的时代中，美国总统有权决定：
无休止的战争。战争将继续下去，直到一切敌对行动被终止，永远不会发生。
无国界的战争。总统将有充分的权力发动对任何国家，组织或个人，包括对美国本
土的美国公民的军事打击。
单方面的军事行动。赋予总统充分的权力在任何时间，没有国会批准的情况下攻击
地球的任何国家。
没有明确界定的敌人。美国可以声明或宣称任何人为恐怖分子，或声称他们正在或
曾经支持对美国的“敌对行动”和攻击意向。
同时攻击几个国家。总统将有充分权力入侵伊朗、叙利亚、朝鲜，以及其他恐怖主
义或者支援恐怖主义的国家，包括俄罗斯和中国。根据该法例，所有这些国家都已经“
被发现”有支持和资助对美国的敌对行为。
简单解毒一下：这个就是军国主义法案。这些权力貌似赋予总统，实际上是赋予了军方
，总统只是作为军队总BOSS集中行使而已；至于行政权力膨胀，倒不是什么大不了的事情
每日司徒秀链接（超级搞）：http://www.bilibili.tv/video/av184718
链接：http://world.huanqiu.com/roll/2011-12/2241008.html
http://source.takungpao.com/news/11/12/06/YMTG-1430444.htm
http://source.takungpao.com/news/11/12/06/YMTG-1430442.htm
英文链接：http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/xinhua/2011-12-02/content_4554371.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/270378/20111220/ndaa-bill-2012-
The National Defense Authorization Act is the Greatest Threat to Civil
Liberties Americans Face
国防授权法案是美国公民自由面临
的最大威胁
If Obama does one thing for the remainder of his presidency let it be a veto
of the National Defense Authorization Act – a law recently passed by the
Senate which would place domestic terror investigations and interrogations
into the hands of the military and which would open the door for trial-free,
indefinite detention of anyone, including American citizens, so long as the
government calls them terrorists.
So much for innocent until proven guilty. So much for limited government.
What Americans are now facing is quite literally the end of the line. We
will either uphold the freedoms baked into our Constitutional Republic, or
we will scrap the entire project in the name of security as we wage,
endlessly, this futile, costly, and ultimately self-defeating War on Terror.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/12/05/the-national-de
【在 S***Z 的大作中提到】
: 谁给科普一下？
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 6 严肃的讲，我不相信你文中的解释。能以这么大的票数两党一致通过，赋予奥巴马接近
于独裁的权利，包括随意发动战争，这是绝对不可能的。
【在 r****o 的大作中提到】
:
: 注意：如该法案在2012年1月由奥巴马总统正式签署，即具备法律效力（很快了，恭喜
: 美国，99%你们危险了）
: 美国参议院以93票对7票的绝对优势通过新的”国防授权法案“（NDAA National
: Defense Authorization Act），允许美国军方在没有指控、没有审判的情况下，无限
: 期（注意是无限期）拘捕任何美国公民；同时再次确认可以使用“坐水凳”以及其他“
: 更先进”的虐囚方式。
: 据香港《大公报》网站12月6日援引外电报道，绝大部分美国人对《国防授权法案
: 》获美国参院通过的新闻一无所知，因为美国主流媒体不约而同地对此新闻选择沉默，
: 就连平时热衷人权的美联社、《纽约时报》等也对《国防授权法案》如何侵犯美国公民
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r****o
发帖数: 4282 | 7
本来我也不知道这是啥 不过搜索了下发现几个文章都是类似的言论
就拿出来大家讨论下
【在 C*******d 的大作中提到】
: 严肃的讲，我不相信你文中的解释。能以这么大的票数两党一致通过，赋予奥巴马接近
: 于独裁的权利，包括随意发动战争，这是绝对不可能的。
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 8 我不是不相信你，而是对你帖的这个内容有些怀疑，呵呵呵呵。共和党恨不得现在就把奥巴马赶下台，所有事情上都和奥巴马对着干，大票数支持对他这么有好处的提案的可能性基本上是0啊。
【在 r****o 的大作中提到】
:
: 本来我也不知道这是啥 不过搜索了下发现几个文章都是类似的言论
: 就拿出来大家讨论下
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m*****8
发帖数: 292 | 9 http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0101/Obama-
defense-bill-despite-serious-reservations
President Barack Obama signed a wide-ranging defense bill into law Saturday
despite having "serious reservations" about provisions that regulate the
detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists.
The bill also applies penalties against Iran's central bank in an effort to
hamper Tehran's ability to fund its nuclear enrichment program. The Obama
administration is looking to soften the impact of those penalties because of
concerns that they could lead to a spike in global oil prices or cause
economic hardship on U.S. allies that import petroleum from Iran.
In a statement accompanying his signature, the president chastised some
lawmakers for what he contended was their attempts to use the bill to
restrict the ability of counterterrorism officials to protect the country.
Administration officials said Obama was only signing the measure because
Congress made minimally acceptable changes that no longer challenged the
president's terrorism-fighting ability.
"Moving forward, my administration will interpret and implement the
provisions described below in a manner that best preserves the flexibility
on which our safety depends and upholds the values on which this country was
founded," Obama said in the signing statement.
Signing statements allow presidents to raise constitutional objections to
circumvent Congress' intent. During his campaign for the White House, Obama
criticized President George W. Bush's use of signing statements and promised
to make his application of the tool more transparent.
Obama's signature caps months of wrangling over how to handle captured
terrorist suspects without violating Americans' constitutional rights. The
White House initially threatened to veto the legislation but dropped the
warning after Congress made last-minute changes.
Among the changes the administration secured was striking a provision that
would have eliminated executive branch authority to use civilian courts for
trying terrorism cases against foreign nationals.
The new law now requires military custody for any suspect who is a member of
al-Qaida or "associated forces" and involved in planning or attempting to
carry out an attack on the United States or its coalition partners. The
president or a designated subordinate may waive the military custody
requirement by certifying to Congress that such a move is in the interest of
national security.
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The administration also pushed Congress to change a provision that would
have denied U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism the right to trial and
could have subjected them to indefinite detention. Lawmakers eventually
dropped the military custody requirement for U.S. citizens or lawful U.S.
residents.
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"My administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention
without trial of American citizens," Obama said in the signing statement. "
Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important
traditions and values as a nation."
Despite the changes, officials cited serious concerns that the law will
complicate and could harm the investigation of terrorism cases.
For example, FBI Director Robert Mueller has said the measure would inhibit
his bureau's ability to persuade suspected terrorists to cooperate
immediately and provide critical intelligence. He told Congress it wasn't
clear how agents should operate if they arrest someone covered by the
military custody requirement but the nearest military facility is hundreds
of miles away.
Other officials have said agents and prosecutors should not have to spend
their time worrying about citizenship status and whether to get a waiver
while trying to thwart a terror attack.
The administration also raised concerns about an amendment in the bill that
goes after foreign financial institutions that do business with Iran's
central bank, barring them from opening or maintaining correspondent
operations in the United States. It would apply to foreign central banks
only for transactions that involve the sale or purchase of petroleum or
petroleum products.
Officials worry that the penalties could lead to higher oil prices, damaging
the U.S. economic recovery and hurting allies in Europe and Asia that
purchase petroleum from Iran.
The penalties do not go into effect for six months. The president can waive
them for national security reasons or if the country with jurisdiction over
the foreign financial institution has significantly reduced its purchases of
Iranian oil.
The State Department has said the U.S. was looking at how to put them in
place in a way that maximized the pressure on Iran, but meant minimal
disruption to the U.S. and its allies.
This week, in response to the threatened penalties, Iran warned that it may
disrupt traffic in theStrait of Hormuz – a vital Persian Gulf waterway. But
on Saturday, Tehran seemed to back off that threat when a commander of its
Revolutionary Guard, Gen. Masoud Jazayeri, said such discussion is a thing
of the past and "belongs to five years ago." He said Iran had other,
unspecified strategies for reacting to any Western aggression.
Iran also said Saturday that it had proposed a new round of talks on its
nuclear program with the U.S. and other world powers. The invitation would
come after the U.N. has imposed four rounds of sanctions. Separately, the U.
S. and the European Union have imposed their own tough economic and
financial penalties.
The $662 billion bill authorizes money for military personnel, weapons
systems, the wars inAfghanistan and Iraq and national security programs in
the Energy Department for the fiscal year beginning Oct. 1.
The measure also freezes some $700 million in assistance until Pakistan
comes up with a strategy to deal with improvised explosive devices.
Obama signed the bill in Hawaii, where he is vacationing with his family. |
c*******l
发帖数: 7820 | 10 这根本就不是说的美国国内，指的在国际上。美国国内的事啥时候归军方管了，在国外
军方抓到敌对的美国人就这样处理。其实在二战中美军抓到为德国人打仗的美国人也是
就地枪决的，现在只是法律化。
【在 C*******d 的大作中提到】
: 严肃的讲，我不相信你文中的解释。能以这么大的票数两党一致通过，赋予奥巴马接近
: 于独裁的权利，包括随意发动战争，这是绝对不可能的。
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 11 嗯，有道理！
否则的话美国就差不多是纳粹德国了，那还了得，呵呵呵。
【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】
: 这根本就不是说的美国国内，指的在国际上。美国国内的事啥时候归军方管了，在国外
: 军方抓到敌对的美国人就这样处理。其实在二战中美军抓到为德国人打仗的美国人也是
: 就地枪决的，现在只是法律化。
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 12 我觉得这个评论应该比较中肯。美国现在两党较劲，大好事不干，这么大的坏事也很难
干成，因为没人敢背这么大的屎盆子。
Saturday
to
of
【在 m*****8 的大作中提到】
: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0101/Obama-
: defense-bill-despite-serious-reservations
: President Barack Obama signed a wide-ranging defense bill into law Saturday
: despite having "serious reservations" about provisions that regulate the
: detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists.
: The bill also applies penalties against Iran's central bank in an effort to
: hamper Tehran's ability to fund its nuclear enrichment program. The Obama
: administration is looking to soften the impact of those penalties because of
: concerns that they could lead to a spike in global oil prices or cause
: economic hardship on U.S. allies that import petroleum from Iran.
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c*******l
发帖数: 7820 | 13 总统敢在哪个州用兵，州长不用国民自卫队抵抗只有下台一条路。另外本身总统就有宣
战权，在紧急状态下总统先宣战，国会照样可以认可，也可以否决。权力大责任也大，
国会否决总统，总统只有下台一条路了，搞不好还要坐牢。
【在 C*******d 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，有道理！
: 否则的话美国就差不多是纳粹德国了，那还了得，呵呵呵。
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f****a
发帖数: 4708 | 14 （政府）没有最坏，只有更坏。它不会放过任何一个扩大权力的机会。
【在 C*******d 的大作中提到】
: 严肃的讲，我不相信你文中的解释。能以这么大的票数两党一致通过，赋予奥巴马接近
: 于独裁的权利，包括随意发动战争，这是绝对不可能的。
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 15 嗯，是这样。现有的法律已经给总统极大的权利了。
再随便战争，随便逮捕美国人，那就是希特勒了。
【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】
: 总统敢在哪个州用兵，州长不用国民自卫队抵抗只有下台一条路。另外本身总统就有宣
: 战权，在紧急状态下总统先宣战，国会照样可以认可，也可以否决。权力大责任也大，
: 国会否决总统，总统只有下台一条路了，搞不好还要坐牢。
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 16 问题是有些解读中其中相当大的一部分权利是从议会转给白宫，也就是政府内部转移。
这个除非议员的脑袋普遍被驴踢了，不会这么大比分发生的。
【在 f****a 的大作中提到】
: （政府）没有最坏，只有更坏。它不会放过任何一个扩大权力的机会。
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c*******l
发帖数: 7820 | 17 华文媒体被渗透得很厉害，基本沦为宣传工具。很多时候是在煽风点火，混淆视听。
【在 C*******d 的大作中提到】
: 严肃的讲，我不相信你文中的解释。能以这么大的票数两党一致通过，赋予奥巴马接近
: 于独裁的权利，包括随意发动战争，这是绝对不可能的。
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 18 I can not agree more!!!!
【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】
: 华文媒体被渗透得很厉害，基本沦为宣传工具。很多时候是在煽风点火，混淆视听。
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k**0
发帖数: 19737 | |
