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Golf版 - long game vs Short game--what is your weakness?
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b*******e
发帖数: 724
1
在GOLF DIGGEST上看到一篇文章.介绍的是如何通过练习来降低HANDICAP,作者主要集中
在如何找到你GAME中的弱点,到底是LONG GAME还是SHORT GAME影响了你的HANDICAP.他
用了一个独到的公式来计算.
用在50YARD以外的杆数除以GIR数量,得到你的LGEI INDEX. 完美的应该是2.0(36杆除
18GIR). 如果你的INDEX高于AMATUR的平均质, 那么你的LONG GAME不好,应多练习SWING
. 如果地域平均, 你应该多练习SHORT GAME.
SCRATCH: 3.1
10 HANDICAPPER: 5.9
大家可以对照以下自己看看到底是应该花时间在LONG, 还是SHORT GAME上.最好多用几
轮成绩来平均一下.
我用昨天的一轮的成绩算了一下,结果比较吃惊. (50YARD以外共42杆 8 GIR). 但SHOT
96 (PAR 72). 我很少练习SHORT GAME,因为觉得还凑和,我一般LOW TO MID 90S. 但按
这个INDEX, 我应该比现在成绩好很多.
v***s
发帖数: 4031
2
能有8 GIR 是很好了。我很少拿到八个GIR。你的成绩应该比96 要好多了,不会这八个
GIR都从可能的Birdie 变成Bogie 吧。

SWING

【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】
: 在GOLF DIGGEST上看到一篇文章.介绍的是如何通过练习来降低HANDICAP,作者主要集中
: 在如何找到你GAME中的弱点,到底是LONG GAME还是SHORT GAME影响了你的HANDICAP.他
: 用了一个独到的公式来计算.
: 用在50YARD以外的杆数除以GIR数量,得到你的LGEI INDEX. 完美的应该是2.0(36杆除
: 18GIR). 如果你的INDEX高于AMATUR的平均质, 那么你的LONG GAME不好,应多练习SWING
: . 如果地域平均, 你应该多练习SHORT GAME.
: SCRATCH: 3.1
: 10 HANDICAPPER: 5.9
: 大家可以对照以下自己看看到底是应该花时间在LONG, 还是SHORT GAME上.最好多用几
: 轮成绩来平均一下.

t***w
发帖数: 165
3
Goodness !
8 GIRs !! but shot 96... you really need to work on your chipping, pitching
, and putting.
Or you are a huge risk taker and invoked some huge penalties.
t***w
发帖数: 165
4
Oh! if you are a female golfer... low to mid 90s are great scores. But do
work on your short game still.... : )
v***s
发帖数: 4031
5
It's he. I saw his swing video a couple years ago.

do

【在 t***w 的大作中提到】
: Oh! if you are a female golfer... low to mid 90s are great scores. But do
: work on your short game still.... : )

v*****r
发帖数: 2325
6
could be one of the following:
green side bunker, take 2+ shots out still far from pin.
<50 yard from deep thick rough, 在不专门练很难调节好距离。
2-3 triple bogey or above, 就差不多了。
手感不行的时候, shank short pitch 不是没可能。。。
course slow play 的时候, 可以接近green 的时候, 多仍几个球练习练习。 特别是
bunker.

pitching

【在 t***w 的大作中提到】
: Goodness !
: 8 GIRs !! but shot 96... you really need to work on your chipping, pitching
: , and putting.
: Or you are a huge risk taker and invoked some huge penalties.

v*****r
发帖数: 2325
7
我最近9洞rough中的short pitch/chip 都处理的不好, 有时候球全没入草中, 但是
草很软, 其实不需要太大力explode out. 所以要看草的状况, 软硬程度。
还有草的生长方向跟wedge 哇入的方向。
这都是不上场难以碰到的情况。在常常 练习的practice green 感觉short game 还可
以, 但是还是不够。 我现在知道扔一些球到 rough 中, 在踩一脚, 练习out of
rough了。

【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: could be one of the following:
: green side bunker, take 2+ shots out still far from pin.
: <50 yard from deep thick rough, 在不专门练很难调节好距离。
: 2-3 triple bogey or above, 就差不多了。
: 手感不行的时候, shank short pitch 不是没可能。。。
: course slow play 的时候, 可以接近green 的时候, 多仍几个球练习练习。 特别是
: bunker.
:
: pitching

v***s
发帖数: 4031
8
不管基本功如何,常上场,处理球的能力会提高,尤其是短打,Triple Bogies就会少
。下一步,就是要减少Double Bogies了。

【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: 我最近9洞rough中的short pitch/chip 都处理的不好, 有时候球全没入草中, 但是
: 草很软, 其实不需要太大力explode out. 所以要看草的状况, 软硬程度。
: 还有草的生长方向跟wedge 哇入的方向。
: 这都是不上场难以碰到的情况。在常常 练习的practice green 感觉short game 还可
: 以, 但是还是不够。 我现在知道扔一些球到 rough 中, 在踩一脚, 练习out of
: rough了。

A*f
发帖数: 3067
9
I dad few rounds like that.
7 GIR 97
6 GIR 99
Very common. Normally 3/4 putts when GIR and few OB when not GIR

Goodness !8 GIRs !!
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.20

【在 t***w 的大作中提到】
: Goodness !
: 8 GIRs !! but shot 96... you really need to work on your chipping, pitching
: , and putting.
: Or you are a huge risk taker and invoked some huge penalties.

A*f
发帖数: 3067
10
Somehow those number for scratch player doesnt sound right. Over 50 yards, 3
.1*18 already over 54, say they use 36 putts. That is 90.

在GOLF DIGGEST上看到一篇文章.介绍的是如何通过练习来降低HANDICAP,作者主要集中
在如何找到你GAME中的弱点,到底是LONG GAME还是SHORT GAME........
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.20

【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】
: 在GOLF DIGGEST上看到一篇文章.介绍的是如何通过练习来降低HANDICAP,作者主要集中
: 在如何找到你GAME中的弱点,到底是LONG GAME还是SHORT GAME影响了你的HANDICAP.他
: 用了一个独到的公式来计算.
: 用在50YARD以外的杆数除以GIR数量,得到你的LGEI INDEX. 完美的应该是2.0(36杆除
: 18GIR). 如果你的INDEX高于AMATUR的平均质, 那么你的LONG GAME不好,应多练习SWING
: . 如果地域平均, 你应该多练习SHORT GAME.
: SCRATCH: 3.1
: 10 HANDICAPPER: 5.9
: 大家可以对照以下自己看看到底是应该花时间在LONG, 还是SHORT GAME上.最好多用几
: 轮成绩来平均一下.

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v***s
发帖数: 4031
11
LOL. No one get an 100% of GIR. A pro's' GIR is about 60% to 70%, 10 to 13.
So, 3.1*10 or 13 = 31 or 40, we have 67 to 76 for a scratch player, which is
about right.

3

【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: Somehow those number for scratch player doesnt sound right. Over 50 yards, 3
: .1*18 already over 54, say they use 36 putts. That is 90.
:
: 在GOLF DIGGEST上看到一篇文章.介绍的是如何通过练习来降低HANDICAP,作者主要集中
: 在如何找到你GAME中的弱点,到底是LONG GAME还是SHORT GAME........
: ★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.20

b*******e
发帖数: 724
12
i only had four pars on those 8 GIRs. lots of three-putts. What killed me
was a bad stretch of four wholes, where i suddenly lost my swing. here is my
score card:
1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, front 9: +10
4, 3, 2, 3, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0 back 9: +14
total: 72+ 14=96
GIR holes: No. 2, 3, 4, 9, 15, 16, 17, 18.
hitting 8 greens is not common for me, I will see what my index is in the
next round.
A*f
发帖数: 3067
13
that is a good round
how many putts did you have for the whole round?
and how many penalties?

my

【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】
: i only had four pars on those 8 GIRs. lots of three-putts. What killed me
: was a bad stretch of four wholes, where i suddenly lost my swing. here is my
: score card:
: 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, front 9: +10
: 4, 3, 2, 3, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0 back 9: +14
: total: 72+ 14=96
: GIR holes: No. 2, 3, 4, 9, 15, 16, 17, 18.
: hitting 8 greens is not common for me, I will see what my index is in the
: next round.

v***s
发帖数: 4031
14
That's a good game. Your scorecard will look a lot better if you can
minimize the triple bogey or worse in your game.
I am impressed by the GIR you got in the game and am assuming your long game
is very good. You have potential to break 80.

my

【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】
: i only had four pars on those 8 GIRs. lots of three-putts. What killed me
: was a bad stretch of four wholes, where i suddenly lost my swing. here is my
: score card:
: 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, front 9: +10
: 4, 3, 2, 3, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0 back 9: +14
: total: 72+ 14=96
: GIR holes: No. 2, 3, 4, 9, 15, 16, 17, 18.
: hitting 8 greens is not common for me, I will see what my index is in the
: next round.

M****r
发帖数: 146
15
咱也说两句!上周四,跟一个老美同事打了9洞。是个白人,30中,最好成绩73。我的
成绩在90多。打下来,感觉他的driver and irons也不是特别impressive. dirver 一
般比咱远30码,铁杆儿有时也不太pure.但是他的putting,真叫牛!他给我几个
putting tips,然后说,好好练,you will break 90 soon, maybe 80 later.别人鼓励
咱的,当然高兴了。但体会最深的,还是这个short game.读了一些文章,说putting占
总杆数的比例在50% 到68%,确实是break 90 and 80的主要障碍或者机会!
v***s
发帖数: 4031
16
是像你这样讲的,好多年前就有人跟我讲过:
Stablize your swing to break 100
Improve yoru distance to break 90
Improve your short game to break 80
礼拜天和几个朋友打了个9洞,有个朋友的朋友,50岁左右,动作不怎么样,开球挺远
的,球也偶尔打飞,也打丢(他丢了两次,我丢了一次),短杆也不是特别好,可看得
出来,处理球,收拾残局的能力很强。球丢两次,成绩还不错。后来问了一下,他一个
礼拜在这儿至少打两回。所以,我要加上一句,
Learn more to play, play more to learn.

【在 M****r 的大作中提到】
: 咱也说两句!上周四,跟一个老美同事打了9洞。是个白人,30中,最好成绩73。我的
: 成绩在90多。打下来,感觉他的driver and irons也不是特别impressive. dirver 一
: 般比咱远30码,铁杆儿有时也不太pure.但是他的putting,真叫牛!他给我几个
: putting tips,然后说,好好练,you will break 90 soon, maybe 80 later.别人鼓励
: 咱的,当然高兴了。但体会最深的,还是这个short game.读了一些文章,说putting占
: 总杆数的比例在50% 到68%,确实是break 90 and 80的主要障碍或者机会!

b*******e
发帖数: 724
17
回头想想,这轮的GIR似乎多于平时,主要是7,8两个IRON 非常给力,从150以外的距离有5
个GIR,平时可能不会有这么多.看看下轮怎么样吧.这两天已经开始重点练SHORT GAME了
.
M****r
发帖数: 146
18
Nod, nod! 喜欢这句:“Learn more to play, play more to learn“
喜欢高尔夫的原因,想来想去,主要就是这个 Learn and play的循环,加上循环中偶
尔的惊喜和a lot of 沮丧.

【在 v***s 的大作中提到】
: 是像你这样讲的,好多年前就有人跟我讲过:
: Stablize your swing to break 100
: Improve yoru distance to break 90
: Improve your short game to break 80
: 礼拜天和几个朋友打了个9洞,有个朋友的朋友,50岁左右,动作不怎么样,开球挺远
: 的,球也偶尔打飞,也打丢(他丢了两次,我丢了一次),短杆也不是特别好,可看得
: 出来,处理球,收拾残局的能力很强。球丢两次,成绩还不错。后来问了一下,他一个
: 礼拜在这儿至少打两回。所以,我要加上一句,
: Learn more to play, play more to learn.

s****y
发帖数: 251
19
both.

SWING

【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】
: 在GOLF DIGGEST上看到一篇文章.介绍的是如何通过练习来降低HANDICAP,作者主要集中
: 在如何找到你GAME中的弱点,到底是LONG GAME还是SHORT GAME影响了你的HANDICAP.他
: 用了一个独到的公式来计算.
: 用在50YARD以外的杆数除以GIR数量,得到你的LGEI INDEX. 完美的应该是2.0(36杆除
: 18GIR). 如果你的INDEX高于AMATUR的平均质, 那么你的LONG GAME不好,应多练习SWING
: . 如果地域平均, 你应该多练习SHORT GAME.
: SCRATCH: 3.1
: 10 HANDICAPPER: 5.9
: 大家可以对照以下自己看看到底是应该花时间在LONG, 还是SHORT GAME上.最好多用几
: 轮成绩来平均一下.

b*******e
发帖数: 724
20
Played another round this weekend. here are my stats:
score: 94
GIR: 7 (#1, 2, 3, 9, 10, 11, 17)
fairway: 7/14
putting: 43 (totally sucked, 8 three-putts or worse)
shots outside 50 yards: 41
pentalty: 1
par: 3
bogey: 10
double: 3
triple: 2
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v***s
发帖数: 4031
21
41/7 = 5.9, very good, but for the 11 holes wihtout GIR, you took an average
3.36 shots per hole to get the ball on green. It's bad.

【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】
: Played another round this weekend. here are my stats:
: score: 94
: GIR: 7 (#1, 2, 3, 9, 10, 11, 17)
: fairway: 7/14
: putting: 43 (totally sucked, 8 three-putts or worse)
: shots outside 50 yards: 41
: pentalty: 1
: par: 3
: bogey: 10
: double: 3

v*****r
发帖数: 2325
22
只需要看两个数据就够了:triple和double 的数目, 在这两项上下点功夫,提高得
分最快!
我最近9洞, 3 double, 1 triple, 其他为bogey或par:
the triple occured on a 339 yard short par4. 我坚持用还没有上手的driver 开球
。 其实铁杆开就足够了。 当时的想法是让driver得到多的练习, 其实我完全可以利
用当时球场pace不快 先用iron tee off for score, 然后driver tee off for
practice.
2 double bogey: include a messed up wedge (<40yard) for each hole.
1 double: 429 yard par4, 还没有上手的driver tee off, okay.

【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】
: Played another round this weekend. here are my stats:
: score: 94
: GIR: 7 (#1, 2, 3, 9, 10, 11, 17)
: fairway: 7/14
: putting: 43 (totally sucked, 8 three-putts or worse)
: shots outside 50 yards: 41
: pentalty: 1
: par: 3
: bogey: 10
: double: 3

v***s
发帖数: 4031
23
是这个理。提高成绩,就是要杜绝Triple or Quadruple Bogeys,减少Double Bogeys。

【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: 只需要看两个数据就够了:triple和double 的数目, 在这两项上下点功夫,提高得
: 分最快!
: 我最近9洞, 3 double, 1 triple, 其他为bogey或par:
: the triple occured on a 339 yard short par4. 我坚持用还没有上手的driver 开球
: 。 其实铁杆开就足够了。 当时的想法是让driver得到多的练习, 其实我完全可以利
: 用当时球场pace不快 先用iron tee off for score, 然后driver tee off for
: practice.
: 2 double bogey: include a messed up wedge (<40yard) for each hole.
: 1 double: 429 yard par4, 还没有上手的driver tee off, okay.

b*******e
发帖数: 724
24
the average for a non-GIR whole should be at least three. 3x11=33, but i
had four extra shots in those 11 non-gir holes including one penalty stroke.
I don't think that's too bad given my handicap, but i certainly could have
done better.
of the 2 triples and 3 doubles, two were caused by four-putts, and one was
attributed to penalty.

average

【在 v***s 的大作中提到】
: 41/7 = 5.9, very good, but for the 11 holes wihtout GIR, you took an average
: 3.36 shots per hole to get the ball on green. It's bad.

A*f
发帖数: 3067
25
my avg-putt-per-round is 40. I already feel extremely bad every round.
with 43 putts, you cant expect your score would go lower than 90.
the math is very simple, 90-43=47, if you make all GIR, you still need 36
even pros can't make 18 GIR. 47-36=11, you only have 11 shots to spare if
you are not making GIR. that includes all the bunker shots, rough shots,
chip shots, water penalty, hazard penalty, OB penalty, lost ball penalty ...

stroke.
have

【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】
: the average for a non-GIR whole should be at least three. 3x11=33, but i
: had four extra shots in those 11 non-gir holes including one penalty stroke.
: I don't think that's too bad given my handicap, but i certainly could have
: done better.
: of the 2 triples and 3 doubles, two were caused by four-putts, and one was
: attributed to penalty.
:
: average

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