q******3
发帖数: 622 | 1 刚想起上次去golfgalaxy看到的一个现象。人家跟我的driver swing speed差不多（80
+），但他的球速明显比我的球速度高不少（135 vs 120）。他球就比我的远多了。
所以我想听听大家的，有多少途径可以improve这个delta V = Vball - Vswing。
我能想到的就是lag，cock，release timing好。 | v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 2 Are you talking about how to increase club head speed? | u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 3 two words: sweet spot
80
【在 q******3 的大作中提到】
: 刚想起上次去golfgalaxy看到的一个现象。人家跟我的driver swing speed差不多（80
: +），但他的球速明显比我的球速度高不少（135 vs 120）。他球就比我的远多了。
: 所以我想听听大家的，有多少途径可以improve这个delta V = Vball - Vswing。
: 我能想到的就是lag，cock，release timing好。
| v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 4 it's all about smash factor.
i had the same question and found detailed study here
http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/golfing-discussions/11540-class-learning-trackman-research-smash-factor.html
but it's a lot of work put theory into practice.
it's kind of integrate your body mass into golf club, therefore increase the
mass ratio vs golf ball to have a higher smash factor...
I think it lies in wrist at impact.
tho the author explains like this:
He thought that the golfer was part of this "Mass R | A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 5 上次vankie好象说他的球速是150
让他给给体会
80
【在 q******3 的大作中提到】
: 刚想起上次去golfgalaxy看到的一个现象。人家跟我的driver swing speed差不多（80
: +），但他的球速明显比我的球速度高不少（135 vs 120）。他球就比我的远多了。
: 所以我想听听大家的，有多少途径可以improve这个delta V = Vball - Vswing。
: 我能想到的就是lag，cock，release timing好。
| v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 6 here is my experience with LM
in march at golfsmith LM using burner 08, ball speed meausred 150mph,
150mph going to over 250 yard carry at least, and roll to 260 often. never
hit tee shot like this on course or range under normal condition. guess not
accurate at all. although the staff told me there was 5mph bias...
also earlier several times at golfmart, measure similiar ball speed. i was
in false excitement that my clubhead speed average 105mph or so(now i know
it's not accurate at all). but
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: 上次vankie好象说他的球速是150
: 让他给给体会
:
: 80
| v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 7 有这事儿？？？
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: 上次vankie好象说他的球速是150
: 让他给给体会
:
: 80
| v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 8 check some articles i saved in the past:
here is the ball speed and carry distance chart:
Ball Speed Launch Angle Back Spin (rpm's)
Carry Distance
170 mph 11.5-15.5+* 2000-2400 289 yards
160 mph 12-16+* 2200-2650 271 yards
150 mph 13-16.5+* 2300-2800 252 yards
140 mph 14-17+* 2350-2950 233 yards
130 mph 14.5-17* 2400-3100 215 yards
120 mph 15-17* 2500-3300 196 yards | v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 9 he possibly mistake you as me, i did mention 150mph ball speed recently
as i currently only focus on distance and %...
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 有这事儿？？？
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 10 remember your swing speed is 115 and ball speed is 150 or something like
that
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 有这事儿？？？
| | | A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 11 could be you, someone with a very impressive number of those categories
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: he possibly mistake you as me, i did mention 150mph ball speed recently
: as i currently only focus on distance and %...
| v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 12 我记得是8号杆测了个105的杆头速率，没有测球速。当然就这也不一定记得对。
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: remember your swing speed is 115 and ball speed is 150 or something like
: that
| q******3
发帖数: 622 | 13 谢谢你的link，原来这叫smash factor。
the
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: it's all about smash factor.
: i had the same question and found detailed study here
: http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/golfing-discussions/11540-class-learning-trackman-research-smash-factor.html
: but it's a lot of work put theory into practice.
: it's kind of integrate your body mass into golf club, therefore increase the
: mass ratio vs golf ball to have a higher smash factor...
: I think it lies in wrist at impact.
: tho the author explains like this:
: He thought that the golfer was part of this "Mass R
| q******3
发帖数: 622 | 14 文章说最大factor是1。48for pro。业余能有1。4不错了。
看来还是要提高swing speed。 | q******3
发帖数: 622 | 15 Smashfactor is ball-speed/clubhead-speed?
Which gives (rounded):
Ames: 1.47
Choi: 1.48
Mediate: 1.47
Mickelson: 1.48 | v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 16 这其实就是击到sweet spot的准确度
【在 q******3 的大作中提到】
: Smashfactor is ball-speed/clubhead-speed?
: Which gives (rounded):
: Ames: 1.47
: Choi: 1.48
: Mediate: 1.47
: Mickelson: 1.48
| q******3
发帖数: 622 | 17 smash factor跟击到sweet spot的准确度不是一个概念吧。
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 这其实就是击到sweet spot的准确度
| v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 18 agree
not only contact ball at the center of sweet spot,
but also more of "compress" the ball (club face square to the swing path,
deloft several degree, up angle of attch), vs. "cut" the ball.
【在 q******3 的大作中提到】
: smash factor跟击到sweet spot的准确度不是一个概念吧。
| v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 19 yellowstone said that 110mph controllable swing speed, seems that he said
that he figured out the rythm with some kind of swing training aid, ,
speedstik...
110m * 1.45 === 160mph, 270 carry, roll to 280-290
i figure full swing without ball might be a good way, first focus on rythm
and balance, second avoid the shock with the ball, less injury...
last time tried the speestik at a store, 好象要很用力才能搞到 100mph 以上,
either not figuring out the rythm, or not strong/explosive enough... max 100mph or s
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: 上次vankie好象说他的球速是150
: 让他给给体会
:
: 80
| y**********7
发帖数: 769 | 20 我觉得可控的挥杆速度主要涉及三个方面,技术,力量,和柔韧性.
技术可保证击球的准确性和在击球区获得最大速度. 就算你的挥杆速度高,但这个速度
不出现在击球区(IMPACT AREA)也是白费.
力量与挥杆速度成正比. 力量不仅要大而且全身的力量要平衡. 不仅左右臂的力量要平
衡,腿部,幹部(CORE)的力量也要平衡. 其实,腿部和幹部是力量的来源,要打远,需要格
外重视. 力量不平衡,很难稳定击球.
柔韧性不仅对提高杆头速度帮助,还能保护背部避免受伤. 挥杆速度越高,背部越容易受
伤. 想一想下杆,在一秒钟之内,从0到11Omph,再从11Omph到0,简单吗? 问问你的汽车就
知道了.
因此,建议在这三个方面都重视,加以改进,不要偏废任何一项.
said that he figured out the rythm with some kind of swing training aid, ,
speedstik...
and balance, second avoid the shock with the ball, less injury...
either not figuri
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: yellowstone said that 110mph controllable swing speed, seems that he said
: that he figured out the rythm with some kind of swing training aid, ,
: speedstik...
: 110m * 1.45 === 160mph, 270 carry, roll to 280-290
: i figure full swing without ball might be a good way, first focus on rythm
: and balance, second avoid the shock with the ball, less injury...
: last time tried the speestik at a store, 好象要很用力才能搞到 100mph 以上,
: either not figuring out the rythm, or not strong/explosive enough... max 100mph or s
| | | v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 21 110mph是讲杆头的线速度，实际上手上挥的线速度连它的四分之一都达不到。很多人都
可以达到这个挥的速度，但不一定能产生110mph的杆头线速度。
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得可控的挥杆速度主要涉及三个方面,技术,力量,和柔韧性.
: 技术可保证击球的准确性和在击球区获得最大速度. 就算你的挥杆速度高,但这个速度
: 不出现在击球区(IMPACT AREA)也是白费.
: 力量与挥杆速度成正比. 力量不仅要大而且全身的力量要平衡. 不仅左右臂的力量要平
: 衡,腿部,幹部(CORE)的力量也要平衡. 其实,腿部和幹部是力量的来源,要打远,需要格
: 外重视. 力量不平衡,很难稳定击球.
: 柔韧性不仅对提高杆头速度帮助,还能保护背部避免受伤. 挥杆速度越高,背部越容易受
: 伤. 想一想下杆,在一秒钟之内,从0到11Omph,再从11Omph到0,简单吗? 问问你的汽车就
: 知道了.
: 因此,建议在这三个方面都重视,加以改进,不要偏废任何一项.
| o***u
发帖数: 1853 | 22 挥杆速度不是重要的，phil的挥杆速度速度好像才90几。 | v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 23 thanks for you insightful experience,great guidelines. swing speed take long time to develop, isn't it?
here is what i do
1)技术
只有靠长期的练习和体会了, rhythm:smooth and 后发力, keep clubhead accerlate
through the ball. 风声响在 impact and release zone
2)力量
golf related muscle strength, speed (controlled by fast titch muscle), and
core stability. this is going to take a while find 有针对性的 fitness
training routine
i asked a trainer once at gym for core stength, he recommended:
pulley machine, stand like golf
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得可控的挥杆速度主要涉及三个方面,技术,力量,和柔韧性.
: 技术可保证击球的准确性和在击球区获得最大速度. 就算你的挥杆速度高,但这个速度
: 不出现在击球区(IMPACT AREA)也是白费.
: 力量与挥杆速度成正比. 力量不仅要大而且全身的力量要平衡. 不仅左右臂的力量要平
: 衡,腿部,幹部(CORE)的力量也要平衡. 其实,腿部和幹部是力量的来源,要打远,需要格
: 外重视. 力量不平衡,很难稳定击球.
: 柔韧性不仅对提高杆头速度帮助,还能保护背部避免受伤. 挥杆速度越高,背部越容易受
: 伤. 想一想下杆,在一秒钟之内,从0到11Omph,再从11Omph到0,简单吗? 问问你的汽车就
: 知道了.
: 因此,建议在这三个方面都重视,加以改进,不要偏废任何一项.
| y**********7
发帖数: 769 | 24 It helped me to figure out how to swing is more efficient and raised my
swing speed from 90mph to 110mph because you can get feedback knowing the way for your swing works or not immediately. But it's not just done by speedstik. Strength training is also a big contributor.
speedstik provides feedback, does it help you a lot for developing swing
speed?
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: thanks for you insightful experience,great guidelines. swing speed take long time to develop, isn't it?
: here is what i do
: 1)技术
: 只有靠长期的练习和体会了, rhythm:smooth and 后发力, keep clubhead accerlate
: through the ball. 风声响在 impact and release zone
: 2)力量
: golf related muscle strength, speed (controlled by fast titch muscle), and
: core stability. this is going to take a while find 有针对性的 fitness
: training routine
: i asked a trainer once at gym for core stength, he recommended:
| b*******e
发帖数: 724 | 25 Oh, they are a lot faster than that. take a look at this video. Tiger and
Mickelson both swing at around 115mph, with a 3W. If we amatur can get 110,
you are looking at 250yd carry, which is very respectful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0esAOPRZaVg
【在 o***u 的大作中提到】
: 挥杆速度不是重要的，phil的挥杆速度速度好像才90几。
| t****i
发帖数: 904 | 26 我也觉得sweet spot比挥杆速度更重要。110的挥杆速度固然好，可是控制上如果稍有
偏差，就不知道要去哪里找球了。
【在 u*********r 的大作中提到】
: two words: sweet spot
:
: 80
| u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 27 yesterday, met a guy who swang the club like a baseball bat. yes, he uses
10 fingers grip. he hit it long, however, wildly. I could feel his
pain everytime he held his head down and murmured 'Joe, what are you doing?'
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: 我也觉得sweet spot比挥杆速度更重要。110的挥杆速度固然好，可是控制上如果稍有
: 偏差，就不知道要去哪里找球了。
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