v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 1 当时没有办法记，这里回忆一下。
首先从大的方面来说，这个老师的teaching philosophy比较倾向于natural swing,。也
就是说：
1. 他不喜欢stack&tilt, 也不支持那些过度强调hip rotation或者COG shift之类的挥
杆。
2. 他认为一个好的挥杆应该是从上身的mid-section启动，也就是肚脐到横膈膜之间这
个位置。set up的时候全身都是放松的，只有这里和相对应的背部有些tension. 他建议
平时就可以联系用这个部位（或者说把意念集中在这个部位），练习左右转身。
Ok, 这个就是他的最核心的swing thought. 接下来是一些细节，和很多书上讲的差不多
。
1. Stance. 他认为170以上的人都不用过分屈膝，而是只要把膝盖骨放松就好了。过度
屈膝会造成back swing时候下盘太死，进而造成重心不好保持稳定。我课后按照他的建
议来做（以前腿部弯曲比较厉害），果然100个practice ball只有1次shank. 而我之前
shank的原因主要是重心迁移。
2. Grip. 他认为不论年龄、习惯，grip都 |
ET
发帖数: 10701 | 2 i truly believe writting down what you were taught is one of most important
ways to get improved.
I've been doing that for years, and i believe how it works,and I promise the
result.
Keep up, dude.
As far as the lesson content you've written, partially I agree, partially I
don't.
but it doesn't matter i agree or not, swing thing is truly a personal thing.
So I would recommend just following what he said, and not being distracted
by others' opinion, books or whatever.
working on with him for at
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 当时没有办法记，这里回忆一下。
: 首先从大的方面来说，这个老师的teaching philosophy比较倾向于natural swing,。也
: 就是说：
: 1. 他不喜欢stack&tilt, 也不支持那些过度强调hip rotation或者COG shift之类的挥
: 杆。
: 2. 他认为一个好的挥杆应该是从上身的mid-section启动，也就是肚脐到横膈膜之间这
: 个位置。set up的时候全身都是放松的，只有这里和相对应的背部有些tension. 他建议
: 平时就可以联系用这个部位（或者说把意念集中在这个部位），练习左右转身。
: Ok, 这个就是他的最核心的swing thought. 接下来是一些细节，和很多书上讲的差不多
: 。
|
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 3 谢谢鼓励。俺最近也觉得，学习里面重要的能力不是获取信息，而是（1）处理信息并通
过实践将之内在化（2）不要被大量的信息搞晕，学会从一个比较靠谱的地方逐渐深入进
去。
important
the
I
thing.
distracted
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: i truly believe writting down what you were taught is one of most important
: ways to get improved.
: I've been doing that for years, and i believe how it works,and I promise the
: result.
: Keep up, dude.
: As far as the lesson content you've written, partially I agree, partially I
: don't.
: but it doesn't matter i agree or not, swing thing is truly a personal thing.
: So I would recommend just following what he said, and not being distracted
: by others' opinion, books or whatever.
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 4 "5. Right hadn. 右手的作用就是个挂钩，在down swing过程中钩住杆，避免early
rel
ease, 然后在双手经过肚脐的时候及时地release, 以实现杆头速度对手速度的最大比
值。"
agree. pretty good teaching.
right elbow close to hip bone during the downswing.
left arm keep straight during take-away, upswing to get more arc for
acceleration.
at beginning, i focused too much on my shoulder turn, so tried to make fast
body turn, not only hard to keep balance, but also offset set club speed... |
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 5 lol... I have exactly the same problem as you described in the last sentence.
fast
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: "5. Right hadn. 右手的作用就是个挂钩，在down swing过程中钩住杆，避免early
: rel
: ease, 然后在双手经过肚脐的时候及时地release, 以实现杆头速度对手速度的最大比
: 值。"
: agree. pretty good teaching.
: right elbow close to hip bone during the downswing.
: left arm keep straight during take-away, upswing to get more arc for
: acceleration.
: at beginning, i focused too much on my shoulder turn, so tried to make fast
: body turn, not only hard to keep balance, but also offset set club speed...
|
v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 6 "5. Right hadn. 右手的作用就是个挂钩，在down swing过程中钩住杆，避免early
rel
ease, 然后在双手经过肚脐的时候及时地release, 以实现杆头速度对手速度的最大比
值。"
agree. pretty good teaching.
right elbow close to hip bone during the downswing.
left arm keep straight during take-away, upswing to get more arc for
acceleration.
at beginning, i focused too much on my shoulder turn, so tried to make fast
body turn, not only hard to keep balance, but also offset set club speed... |
C*********o
发帖数: 563 | 7 chao zan!
"尤其是downswing开始的时候，一定要慢，**要让杆自由地开始回落**。这时手上、肩
膀上一定不要用力。" - This is something i have to work on. One thing to
make sure of this is to keep a loose grip during the downswing, i guess? |
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 8 嗯。老师给我演示了手上完全不用力的一个极端状态---就是在整个swing过程里两只胳
膊像面条一样完全被身体带着走。，很搞笑很难看，但即便如此，7铁照样140码。
【在 C*********o 的大作中提到】
: chao zan!
: "尤其是downswing开始的时候，一定要慢，**要让杆自由地开始回落**。这时手上、肩
: 膀上一定不要用力。" - This is something i have to work on. One thing to
: make sure of this is to keep a loose grip during the downswing, i guess?
|
ET
发帖数: 10701 | 9 'coz the power is generated by hip rotation.
it's not such thing called speical for me. I always tell myself," want to
hit bigger, stay easy."..
I guess the part I don't like most is about his hip rotation thing, if it's
his word.
not everyone has a natural hip rotation, if the one has not been trained by
other similar sport. Don't believe, just simply toss the golf ball to the
target, as hard as possible. natural toss it. then toss the ball using the
hip rotation. let your hand/arm for directio
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯。老师给我演示了手上完全不用力的一个极端状态---就是在整个swing过程里两只胳
: 膊像面条一样完全被身体带着走。，很搞笑很难看，但即便如此，7铁照样140码。
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v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 10 他不是说不需要hip rotation, 而是说只要用肚脐附近的torso发力，hip rotation自然
就有了。我观察他本人的hip rotation还是非常明显的。至于到这种练习方法是否对我
有用，恐怕得过阵子才能知道。
s
by
toss
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: 'coz the power is generated by hip rotation.
: it's not such thing called speical for me. I always tell myself," want to
: hit bigger, stay easy."..
: I guess the part I don't like most is about his hip rotation thing, if it's
: his word.
: not everyone has a natural hip rotation, if the one has not been trained by
: other similar sport. Don't believe, just simply toss the golf ball to the
: target, as hard as possible. natural toss it. then toss the ball using the
: hip rotation. let your hand/arm for directio
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 11 I think we should reward those who post 整理笔记
how about 100 Baozi?
important
the
I
thing.
distracted
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: i truly believe writting down what you were taught is one of most important
: ways to get improved.
: I've been doing that for years, and i believe how it works,and I promise the
: result.
: Keep up, dude.
: As far as the lesson content you've written, partially I agree, partially I
: don't.
: but it doesn't matter i agree or not, swing thing is truly a personal thing.
: So I would recommend just following what he said, and not being distracted
: by others' opinion, books or whatever.
|
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 12 这个提法甚好，甚好... LOL
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: I think we should reward those who post 整理笔记
: how about 100 Baozi?
:
: important
: the
: I
: thing.
: distracted
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 13 understand. if he had said there is no need for hip rotation, I would have
said " dump him, ask ur money back."
what i emphasis is.. hip rotation is not a natural thing. you gotta be
trained to have it.
自然
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 他不是说不需要hip rotation, 而是说只要用肚脐附近的torso发力，hip rotation自然
: 就有了。我观察他本人的hip rotation还是非常明显的。至于到这种练习方法是否对我
: 有用，恐怕得过阵子才能知道。
:
: s
: by
: toss
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z***u
发帖数: 115 | 14 a question. I always can't co-ordinate my lower and upper body rotations
very well. we all know downswing starts from the lower body rotation, but
once i turn my hip, my upper body will follow too quickly and it's going
outside-in. Is it because I'm lack of fitness? I gotta tilt my body a little
bit to the rightside in order to delay my shoulder turn. but it naturally
causes my hip's "lateral shift", which I don't like. Because it's very hard
to control the timing, as long as any overshift, my u
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: understand. if he had said there is no need for hip rotation, I would have
: said " dump him, ask ur money back."
: what i emphasis is.. hip rotation is not a natural thing. you gotta be
: trained to have it.
:
: 自然
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z***u
发帖数: 115 | 15 in Jim Hardy's one plane swing theory, he also say if your backswing is on
the plane, you can start your downswing by turning your body's big muscle(
the torso you mentioned) as hard as you can, but not the hip rotation only.
自然
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 他不是说不需要hip rotation, 而是说只要用肚脐附近的torso发力，hip rotation自然
: 就有了。我观察他本人的hip rotation还是非常明显的。至于到这种练习方法是否对我
: 有用，恐怕得过阵子才能知道。
:
: s
: by
: toss
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j******e
发帖数: 1424 | |
v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 17 check out ben hogan's demo on how to lead with mid-section, watch the angle
between his arms and club shaft no change at beginning stage of downswing...
quoting "他认为一个好的挥杆应该是从上身的mid-section启动，也就是肚脐到横膈膜
之间这个位置。set up的时候全身都是放松的，只有这里和相对应的背部有些tension.
他建议平时就可以联系用这个部位（或者说把意念集中在这个部位），练习左右转身
。" |
v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | |
v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 19 maybe this 挂钩 coming from club lag. when hands near impact position, club
head still lags a lot.
check out sergio garcia and bubba watch swing
sergio garcia swing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTTQSSkIIjY
bubba watson (longest hitter in PGA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDR1EuclMvo
i am trying to do this lag. will take video and see if i could do it
properly. figuring this is the key to achieve 110 MPh and plus club speed.
also this will reduce impact to elbow to avoid injury.
quoting
"5. Ri |
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 20 没有右手钩着，怎么会有这个lag? lag是果，右手是因。
club
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: maybe this 挂钩 coming from club lag. when hands near impact position, club
: head still lags a lot.
: check out sergio garcia and bubba watch swing
: sergio garcia swing
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTTQSSkIIjY
: bubba watson (longest hitter in PGA)
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDR1EuclMvo
: i am trying to do this lag. will take video and see if i could do it
: properly. figuring this is the key to achieve 110 MPh and plus club speed.
: also this will reduce impact to elbow to avoid injury.
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 21 "没有右手钩着，怎么会有这个lag? lag是果，右手是因。"
right. wrist cork. hand pronation (ben hogan mentioned it).
i guess club lag is a check point if we do this properly. |
N**E
发帖数: 596 | |
