n*********3
发帖数: 534 | 1 http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-electronic-holy-war
"To say that Go is more complex than chess, though, is a little like saying
that one infinity is larger than another. "
I quite disagree with the above. |
r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 2 挺好的一篇文章。
就你引用的这一句来说，也没任何问题。除非你确实不知道无穷大集合的基数概念，比
如自然数集的基数和实数集的基数的差别。
saying
【在 n*********3 的大作中提到】
: http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-electronic-holy-war
: "To say that Go is more complex than chess, though, is a little like saying
: that one infinity is larger than another. "
: I quite disagree with the above.
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n*******s
发帖数: 17267 | 3 呵呵， 1和2之间的实数与1和100之间的实数哪个多？
BTW, 李钦诚这是下了些什么？以后右上角黑打吃再小飞的变化估计很少有人走了， 太
缓， 还不干净， 也不知道是谁发明的。。。
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 挺好的一篇文章。
: 就你引用的这一句来说，也没任何问题。除非你确实不知道无穷大集合的基数概念，比
: 如自然数集的基数和实数集的基数的差别。
:
: saying
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 4 一样多。。。
【在 n*******s 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵， 1和2之间的实数与1和100之间的实数哪个多？
: BTW, 李钦诚这是下了些什么？以后右上角黑打吃再小飞的变化估计很少有人走了， 太
: 缓， 还不干净， 也不知道是谁发明的。。。
|
n*********3
发帖数: 534 | 5 Wait,
Although there are infinite amount of rational and irrational numbers
between any given internal, there are more (infinitely more actually)
irrational number than rational numbers.
Right? Pretty basic advanced math stuff.
It is ok compare infinite. |
n*********3
发帖数: 534 | 6 "To say that Go is more complex than chess, though, is a little like saying
that one infinity is larger than another. "
Some infinity is bigger than others.
Holy smoke,.... |
r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 7 这不很正常吗？而且围棋并不是复杂度最高的游戏。大家都是天文数字数量级，只不过
有些游戏数量级更大一些罢了。
saying
【在 n*********3 的大作中提到】
: "To say that Go is more complex than chess, though, is a little like saying
: that one infinity is larger than another. "
: Some infinity is bigger than others.
: Holy smoke,....
|
r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 8 你提到无理数比有理数多，意思是？
【在 n*********3 的大作中提到】
: Wait,
: Although there are infinite amount of rational and irrational numbers
: between any given internal, there are more (infinitely more actually)
: irrational number than rational numbers.
: Right? Pretty basic advanced math stuff.
: It is ok compare infinite.
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M*******p
发帖数: 5626 | |
r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 10 围棋难道是么
【在 M*******p 的大作中提到】
: chess根本就不是infinity。
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n*********3
发帖数: 534 | 11 yeah, I think the author of the article, even for NewYorker, has used math/
concepts incorrectly to serve his/her own prejudice.
Perhaps, it happens all the time. But this case is rather appalling and
obvious to me.
Understandably, people will have their one subjective preference, but when
they try to use some theory or concept to justify it in public, it is rather
dangerous. |
n*********3
发帖数: 534 | 12 The author:
Patrick House is a Ph.D. candidate in neuroscience at Stanford University.
Man, I wonder what this Patrick house publish in his own field.
What the f---, he must think that he has both the time and the intellect to
disseminate his holy smokes. |
s*****j
发帖数: 6435 | 13 你也是莫名其妙在这感慨.
rather
【在 n*********3 的大作中提到】
: yeah, I think the author of the article, even for NewYorker, has used math/
: concepts incorrectly to serve his/her own prejudice.
: Perhaps, it happens all the time. But this case is rather appalling and
: obvious to me.
: Understandably, people will have their one subjective preference, but when
: they try to use some theory or concept to justify it in public, it is rather
: dangerous.
|
n*********3
发帖数: 534 | 14 yeah, except here is no comparison to NewYorker. And it is good to vent,...
I think I should encourage my pre-teen kids to send and publish in NewYorker
or similar "good" places. It will be better than those bullshit.
Yeah, I am frustrated with people who write well, politics well, but do not
know shit,... And still sell their smokes.
Well there will be always those around.
The other extreme will be like Yitang Zhang, those are truly admirable.
In weiqi, there is less of this kind of problem, you good,then you are good.
there is less argument. I think.
【在 s*****j 的大作中提到】
: 你也是莫名其妙在这感慨.
:
: rather
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s*****j
发帖数: 6435 | 15 hehe.
Think about how stupid the average person is.
And HALF of the people are stupider than that.
.
NewYorker
not
good.
【在 n*********3 的大作中提到】
: yeah, except here is no comparison to NewYorker. And it is good to vent,...
: I think I should encourage my pre-teen kids to send and publish in NewYorker
: or similar "good" places. It will be better than those bullshit.
: Yeah, I am frustrated with people who write well, politics well, but do not
: know shit,... And still sell their smokes.
: Well there will be always those around.
: The other extreme will be like Yitang Zhang, those are truly admirable.
: In weiqi, there is less of this kind of problem, you good,then you are good.
: there is less argument. I think.
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h*****a
发帖数: 1718 | 16 能不能说说你觉得这个“一个无限和另一个无限”的比喻为什么让你觉得特别不make
sense? 是因为你觉得Chess和围棋比不配称作infinity吗？
.
NewYorker
not
good.
【在 n*********3 的大作中提到】
: yeah, except here is no comparison to NewYorker. And it is good to vent,...
: I think I should encourage my pre-teen kids to send and publish in NewYorker
: or similar "good" places. It will be better than those bullshit.
: Yeah, I am frustrated with people who write well, politics well, but do not
: know shit,... And still sell their smokes.
: Well there will be always those around.
: The other extreme will be like Yitang Zhang, those are truly admirable.
: In weiqi, there is less of this kind of problem, you good,then you are good.
: there is less argument. I think.
|
n*********3
发帖数: 534 | 17 Wo觉得“一个无限和另一个无限”的比喻特别make sense.
The author of that article 觉得这个“一个无限和另一个无限”的比喻特别不make
sense.
That author thinks or disguises or implies that two "infinity" cannot be
compared. They obviously can. Sometimes, the results are not obvious.
Sometimes it is clear. Sometimes it is not yet attainable.
Anyway, ... |
r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 18 原来如此，那为啥让你很愤慨？
make
【在 n*********3 的大作中提到】
: Wo觉得“一个无限和另一个无限”的比喻特别make sense.
: The author of that article 觉得这个“一个无限和另一个无限”的比喻特别不make
: sense.
: That author thinks or disguises or implies that two "infinity" cannot be
: compared. They obviously can. Sometimes, the results are not obvious.
: Sometimes it is clear. Sometimes it is not yet attainable.
: Anyway, ...
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r*****e
发帖数: 792 | 19 无穷除以无穷并不总等于1啊。
不是说作者的观点一定就不对，但他围棋水平和chess一样吗？
至少从程序的角度来说，围棋程序还很幼稚，chess的顶尖高手都不行了呀。
saying
【在 n*********3 的大作中提到】
: http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-electronic-holy-war
: "To say that Go is more complex than chess, though, is a little like saying
: that one infinity is larger than another. "
: I quite disagree with the above.
|
n*********3
发帖数: 534 | 20 为啥??
１。人家在newyorker发表，我却只能*在mitbbs灌水，我还要比他正确。你看我多冤，
多屈呀。我容易吗我？我能不感慨吗我？
２。怀念我那日渐远去的轻挑浮澡，潇洒不羁的青春岁月呀。你们不怀念吗？
*也不能说"只能"，我也没有向newyorker, scientific america,...投搞，。。。
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 原来如此，那为啥让你很愤慨？
:
: make
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 21 哈哈，羡慕你现在有空为这种文章愤慨。。。
【在 n*********3 的大作中提到】
: 为啥??
: １。人家在newyorker发表，我却只能*在mitbbs灌水，我还要比他正确。你看我多冤，
: 多屈呀。我容易吗我？我能不感慨吗我？
: ２。怀念我那日渐远去的轻挑浮澡，潇洒不羁的青春岁月呀。你们不怀念吗？
: *也不能说"只能"，我也没有向newyorker, scientific america,...投搞，。。。
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n*******s
发帖数: 17267 | 22 不这么认为，都是无限，但是不一样多。
围棋和国象都没到infinity,但围棋比国象变化更复杂也是公认的。
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 一样多。。。
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 23 我是回答1和2之间的实数与1和100之间的实数一样多。
【在 n*******s 的大作中提到】
: 不这么认为，都是无限，但是不一样多。
: 围棋和国象都没到infinity,但围棋比国象变化更复杂也是公认的。
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y*****n
发帖数: 85 | 24 Chess has a total of 64 spots available, half of which are occupied by
pieces at the beginning.
Weiqi has 361 playable spots to begin with. Which has more permutations in a
simplistic sense?
The fact that one of the best computers can play chess at the topmost level,
yet no computer is able to play Weiqi beyond a reasonable amateur shall
illustrate which game is more complex than the other. |
Z****a
发帖数: 5434 | 25 nonsense
a
level,
【在 y*****n 的大作中提到】
: Chess has a total of 64 spots available, half of which are occupied by
: pieces at the beginning.
: Weiqi has 361 playable spots to begin with. Which has more permutations in a
: simplistic sense?
: The fact that one of the best computers can play chess at the topmost level,
: yet no computer is able to play Weiqi beyond a reasonable amateur shall
: illustrate which game is more complex than the other.
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Z****a
发帖数: 5434 | 26 统计上是围棋变化多，但是不见得更复杂
【在 n*******s 的大作中提到】
: 不这么认为，都是无限，但是不一样多。
: 围棋和国象都没到infinity,但围棋比国象变化更复杂也是公认的。
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y*****n
发帖数: 85 | 27 A subject comment of "nonsense" means little without explanations or reasons
, please provide them to substantiate.
【在 Z****a 的大作中提到】
: nonsense
:
: a
: level,
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c********a
发帖数: 244 | 28 象棋不是填满了棋盘就完了。
你的结论也许是对的， 解释的确nonsense.
满意了？
reasons
【在 y*****n 的大作中提到】
: A subject comment of "nonsense" means little without explanations or reasons
: , please provide them to substantiate.
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