a******8
发帖数: 660 | 1 其实我是来求估价的...
因为1300+dps,250+力量,5.5+吸血skorn买不起,于是改成双持,结果刚刚又掉了个skorn
一看没吸血,dps也不高(1321.5dps),准备继续刷mp1,再一眼才发现居然是
503力量
190体能
181爆伤
搜了一下AH,感觉类似的价格标的估计都是卖不掉的,便来询问一下
力量,爆伤其实还好比较,自己装备上和前不久用的1460dps,160爆伤大致相当(记得是
32m拿下的吧),不过也许是因为我的力量低?装上才2250.对于原本那些力量高的,是不是
就不如1400dps左右的了?
还有体能该如何折算?
还是直接标个低些的价格耐心等bid结束?感觉大家都不会去主动搜类似的吧? | I******e
发帖数: 6478 | 2 想速出就bid，你这数据还不错，看的人应该不少
有时间就标高一点，再慢慢降价，避免自己大明了，也有可能碰上小明
skorn
【在 a******8 的大作中提到】
: 其实我是来求估价的...
: 因为1300+dps,250+力量,5.5+吸血skorn买不起,于是改成双持,结果刚刚又掉了个skorn
: 一看没吸血,dps也不高(1321.5dps),准备继续刷mp1,再一眼才发现居然是
: 503力量
: 190体能
: 181爆伤
: 搜了一下AH,感觉类似的价格标的估计都是卖不掉的,便来询问一下
: 力量,爆伤其实还好比较,自己装备上和前不久用的1460dps,160爆伤大致相当(记得是
: 32m拿下的吧),不过也许是因为我的力量低?装上才2250.对于原本那些力量高的,是不是
: 就不如1400dps左右的了?
| s*******h
发帖数: 1361 | 3 I have one with 1360 dps, 535 str, 210 vit, 164% chd that I currently use
for low mp (5-) runs. Comparing to yours it has +38 avg dmg, +52 str/vit, -
17% chd so it’s overall very similar. The current market price of yours is
about 70-150m.
My suggestion, wait until PvP is out to decide. Depending on how Blizzard
implements PvP, your skorn can be overpowered or all skorns will be obsolete
.
Some scenarios:
1. PvP damage mitigation is not implemented enough and most battles with
high profile barbs last very short (say within 15 mins WOTB window) since a
few builds with high dph are overpowered. Then your skorn is going to shine.
2. Latency of animation for skorns are too high to allow them to hit dex/
int chars then all skorns are obsolete.
3. Damage mitigation is high enough so battles last long then most barbs
will switch to use Inspiring Presence. Skorns like yours, if able to hit
anything, will shine again with high bleeding and high stats points (which
means high life per seconds).
Life steal skorns are likely to be abandoned by PvP if it is based on damage
after mitigation. Only skorns with high damage and high stats will preserve
their values.
This comes from a barb with about 1-2b worth of gears (so middle class at
best). It costs me about 200m to get an extra 50 vit so you know how much
your vit is worth.
PS:I do not care much about PvM any more.
skorn
【在 a******8 的大作中提到】
: 其实我是来求估价的...
: 因为1300+dps,250+力量,5.5+吸血skorn买不起,于是改成双持,结果刚刚又掉了个skorn
: 一看没吸血,dps也不高(1321.5dps),准备继续刷mp1,再一眼才发现居然是
: 503力量
: 190体能
: 181爆伤
: 搜了一下AH,感觉类似的价格标的估计都是卖不掉的,便来询问一下
: 力量,爆伤其实还好比较,自己装备上和前不久用的1460dps,160爆伤大致相当(记得是
: 32m拿下的吧),不过也许是因为我的力量低?装上才2250.对于原本那些力量高的,是不是
: 就不如1400dps左右的了?
| M*****c
发帖数: 4442 | 4 hehe，S总也不看好LIFE STEAL呀～
is
obsolete
with
a
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: I have one with 1360 dps, 535 str, 210 vit, 164% chd that I currently use
: for low mp (5-) runs. Comparing to yours it has +38 avg dmg, +52 str/vit, -
: 17% chd so it’s overall very similar. The current market price of yours is
: about 70-150m.
: My suggestion, wait until PvP is out to decide. Depending on how Blizzard
: implements PvP, your skorn can be overpowered or all skorns will be obsolete
: .
: Some scenarios:
: 1. PvP damage mitigation is not implemented enough and most battles with
: high profile barbs last very short (say within 15 mins WOTB window) since a
| B*****2
发帖数: 7520 | 5 Agree this "Life steal skorns are likely to be abandoned by PvP if it is
based on damage after mitigation. Only skorns with high damage and high
stats will preserve their values."
But, I believe/hope BLZ will find this unbalance point during their test (
easily). Let's say, the LS effect will increase 5 times, instead of 20% in
PVE...... or calculate before mitigation (not quite reasonable since it
makes ar useless.) | m********e
发帖数: 5088 | 6 跟我想的差不多啊
我还估计PVP以后不朽腰带会价格大涨，你怎么看？
is
obsolete
with
a
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: I have one with 1360 dps, 535 str, 210 vit, 164% chd that I currently use
: for low mp (5-) runs. Comparing to yours it has +38 avg dmg, +52 str/vit, -
: 17% chd so it’s overall very similar. The current market price of yours is
: about 70-150m.
: My suggestion, wait until PvP is out to decide. Depending on how Blizzard
: implements PvP, your skorn can be overpowered or all skorns will be obsolete
: .
: Some scenarios:
: 1. PvP damage mitigation is not implemented enough and most battles with
: high profile barbs last very short (say within 15 mins WOTB window) since a
| m********e
发帖数: 5088 | 7 就算ls涨5倍，我估计也没啥用，PVP更多的是打不到。。。
【在 B*****2 的大作中提到】
: Agree this "Life steal skorns are likely to be abandoned by PvP if it is
: based on damage after mitigation. Only skorns with high damage and high
: stats will preserve their values."
: But, I believe/hope BLZ will find this unbalance point during their test (
: easily). Let's say, the LS effect will increase 5 times, instead of 20% in
: PVE...... or calculate before mitigation (not quite reasonable since it
: makes ar useless.)
| i******t
发帖数: 11048 | 8 和尚的dodge终于有点用处了
【在 m********e 的大作中提到】
: 就算ls涨5倍，我估计也没啥用，PVP更多的是打不到。。。
| r***a
发帖数: 2628 | 9 不管有没有pvp，还是要打boss，farm，
ls还是不可少的。
bb的伤害已经足够高了，提高伤害只是锦上添花，没有打的变化。 | s*******h
发帖数: 1361 | 10 Don't think anything will 大涨 given the current state of the game.
Unless they implemented some groundbreaking changes that will draw players
back.
【在 m********e 的大作中提到】
: 跟我想的差不多啊
: 我还估计PVP以后不朽腰带会价格大涨，你怎么看？
:
: is
: obsolete
: with
: a
| | | m********e
发帖数: 5088 | 11 主要蛮子一开始没怒，我估计很多人都会愿意穿不朽套。
那个被动我觉得会留给反伤
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: Don't think anything will 大涨 given the current state of the game.
: Unless they implemented some groundbreaking changes that will draw players
: back.
| k*******u
发帖数: 1427 | 12 非常详尽的介绍, 感谢！
P.S. Stash里面还有一把Skorn:
1421 DPS
334 Str
181 Vit
196 CHD
看来, PvP更新发布之后这把武器会升值到(>200mil).
is
obsolete
with
a
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: I have one with 1360 dps, 535 str, 210 vit, 164% chd that I currently use
: for low mp (5-) runs. Comparing to yours it has +38 avg dmg, +52 str/vit, -
: 17% chd so it’s overall very similar. The current market price of yours is
: about 70-150m.
: My suggestion, wait until PvP is out to decide. Depending on how Blizzard
: implements PvP, your skorn can be overpowered or all skorns will be obsolete
: .
: Some scenarios:
: 1. PvP damage mitigation is not implemented enough and most battles with
: high profile barbs last very short (say within 15 mins WOTB window) since a
| l**********n
发帖数: 8443 | 13 以后偷血武器会大贬值。单孔，高爆，高白字武器会大幅升值。 | b******g
发帖数: 3616 | 14 个人觉得skorn压根就不能用在pvp上。。。。起手动作太慢。pvp应该还是快速武器的
天下，所以现在瞎赌根本没有什么意义。
个人预测，pvp barb要退回到剑盾，lol~ | l**********n
发帖数: 8443 | 15 同意。skorn动作太慢。不适合PVP用。
【在 b******g 的大作中提到】
: 个人觉得skorn压根就不能用在pvp上。。。。起手动作太慢。pvp应该还是快速武器的
: 天下，所以现在瞎赌根本没有什么意义。
: 个人预测，pvp barb要退回到剑盾，lol~
| M*****c
发帖数: 4442 | 16 除非PVP的DPS惩罚力度不够，蛮子有先祖锤一锤必杀BUILD。
否则蛮子PVP的BUILD和配装必然和现在是大变的。
【在 b******g 的大作中提到】
: 个人觉得skorn压根就不能用在pvp上。。。。起手动作太慢。pvp应该还是快速武器的
: 天下，所以现在瞎赌根本没有什么意义。
: 个人预测，pvp barb要退回到剑盾，lol~
| m********e
发帖数: 5088 | 17 你们都在说惩罚力度，难道有官文说了DPS会nerf么？
【在 M*****c 的大作中提到】
: 除非PVP的DPS惩罚力度不够，蛮子有先祖锤一锤必杀BUILD。
: 否则蛮子PVP的BUILD和配装必然和现在是大变的。
| M*****c
发帖数: 4442 | 18 官方没有说，这个只是大家的猜测，部分来自从D2 PVP的经验来看的。
而且蛮子先祖锤暴击100多W黄字不是难事，这样的话很多都是一下秒杀了，这样秒杀模
式的PVP，从常理上想不会非常合理。
【在 m********e 的大作中提到】
: 你们都在说惩罚力度，难道有官文说了DPS会nerf么？
| i******t
发帖数: 11048 | 19 这个是近身攻击吧。碰到用无敌的和尚和wd,你也没有办法。
当然大牛碰到一起，就是看谁能先出手，
【在 M*****c 的大作中提到】
: 官方没有说，这个只是大家的猜测，部分来自从D2 PVP的经验来看的。
: 而且蛮子先祖锤暴击100多W黄字不是难事，这样的话很多都是一下秒杀了，这样秒杀模
: 式的PVP，从常理上想不会非常合理。
| B*****2
发帖数: 7520 | 20 我还是更看好和尚，无敌是当然的PVP第一神技，完了还有9连击的无敌七星，自动跟踪
啊，不nerf掉没法打！
【在 i******t 的大作中提到】
: 这个是近身攻击吧。碰到用无敌的和尚和wd,你也没有办法。
: 当然大牛碰到一起，就是看谁能先出手，
| s*******h
发帖数: 1361 | 21 I already included this as a possible scenario (scenario 2), but I think it
’s possible but not very likely, and far from nonsense.
I will list a couple of reasons.
1. For barb, some skills are purely based on DPH but not attack speed (e.
g. Overpower, Call of Ancients).
2. Also some skills are AOE by nature so even if it kicks off slow it may
still get your opponents caught in the wave (e.g. HOTA, Seismic Slam,).
3. Some damage skills are designed to take effect not as a simple hack
and slash, so origination of damage takes a different form (e.g. WW, Leap,
Furious charge).
4. D3 is focused very much on crowd control so when opponents are cc'ed
you will have your chance to output damage no matter how slow your weapon is.
5. There is a build that I have used for several months to take advantage
of a game design and potentially make the most use out of a skorn.
Anyway it’s not going to be a simple call whether board-and-sword will
dominate 2-handers or the other way round. Many of the skills for all
classes emphasize on PvP but have never been of any interest for PvM. Real
build diversity only starts when PvP is out.
【在 b******g 的大作中提到】
: 个人觉得skorn压根就不能用在pvp上。。。。起手动作太慢。pvp应该还是快速武器的
: 天下，所以现在瞎赌根本没有什么意义。
: 个人预测，pvp barb要退回到剑盾，lol~
| b******g
发帖数: 3616 | 22 分析得还是很有道理的。
不过我始终觉得skorn bb很像d2开始时候的lance bb，有2个致命的缺点。1个是自身防
御比较弱，和远程打的时候很容易没有接近就挂了。第2个是不够灵活，起手慢意味着
很多技能释放速度也比较慢，很容易被操作好的玩家躲开。这里的技能包括那些控制技
能的释放。
it
e.
may
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: I already included this as a possible scenario (scenario 2), but I think it
: ’s possible but not very likely, and far from nonsense.
: I will list a couple of reasons.
: 1. For barb, some skills are purely based on DPH but not attack speed (e.
: g. Overpower, Call of Ancients).
: 2. Also some skills are AOE by nature so even if it kicks off slow it may
: still get your opponents caught in the wave (e.g. HOTA, Seismic Slam,).
: 3. Some damage skills are designed to take effect not as a simple hack
: and slash, so origination of damage takes a different form (e.g. WW, Leap,
: Furious charge).
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