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There are two Pete Carrolls, but we usually only hear about one of them.
That’s the guy we see chomping gum on the sideline and heaving footballs
before games and generally having a blast. That Pete Carroll is 62 going on
30 and was once considered unfit for the NFL. Today he is held up as the
antithesis of what is expected from an NFL coach.
“He defies age,” safety Earl Thomas says.
But what about the other Pete Carroll? He’s the one who notices when a
player’s foot placement is slightly off at practice, who constructed the
blueprint for Seattle’s defense and who will rip a player when needed.
The perception of Carroll through the years has played out like a game of
tug of war. Can the coach deemed too laid back for the NFL be the same one
whose team is now on the verge of the Super Bowl?
“With the talk about all the rah-rah stuff, it sort of misses the point of
it,” says Spencer Torgan, a walk-on under Carroll at USC. “He’s deadly
serious when it comes to football. He just believes it’s OK to have fun
doing it. But if you step out of line or cross him, you’re either gone from
the program or you might as well be dead to him.”
Everyone has a Pete Carroll story. Receiver Doug Baldwin settles on one in
seconds.
Chicago last year. Baldwin’s on the field when he sees Carroll emerge from
the locker room. He scoops up some snow, packs it together and fires a
snowball at his coach. Nails him. Carroll vows revenge.
New York this year. Carroll comes out of the locker room again, and again
Baldwin is ready. Nails him. Carroll grabs some snow and comes back at his
third-year receiver.
“He didn’t get me,” Baldwin says. “He missed his opportunity, right?”
Wrong.
“Pete sneaks on the bus with a snowball,” Baldwin continues. “He’s
hiding behind somebody and is creeping on the bus and then he hits me in the
head.”
Pete Carroll is the kind of guy you can get in a snowball fight with. But he
’s also the kind of guy who will drill you in the head.
The Boston media called Carroll “Daddy Pete,” a “substitute teacher” and
a “yes man.” The New York press called his first training camp with the
Jets the “Good Ship Lollipop” and his team “Team Happy.”
They were shots launched at everything Carroll believed in. They turned his
greatest assets into weaknesses. His enthusiasm, the way he interacted with
players, the music — all of it convinced people Carroll couldn’t coach in
the NFL.
Too soft, too laid back.
Carroll made the playoffs in two of his four years and had only one losing
season as coach of the Patriots and Jets. But there were reports that
Carroll lost respect in the Patriots locker room. Fans ripped him for not
being more like his predecessor, Bill Parcells.
Many wrote Pete Carroll’s NFL obituary.
The funny thing is that Carroll still does many of the same things he did
then. The New York Daily News described his pickup basketball games against
players and coaches as “not very coachlike.”
“Then again,” the Daily News continued, “neither is a family barbecue in
the middle of training camp. Neither is a boss who plays catch with the
locker-room attendants during practice. Neither is the guy who prowls the
sidelines with the exuberance of High School Harry.”
All are staples of Carroll’s time in Seattle. When Carroll named Russell
Wilson his starting quarterback last season, he was shooting three-pointers
and asked Wilson if he wanted to play one-on-one before telling him the news.
Carroll says he used his year off in 2000 between the Patriots and USC for
self-exploration. The thinking goes that from his exile emerged the coach we
see today. But the fact that Carroll is simply a good football coach often
falls in the shadows of everything else.
“People like to make things simple and say, ‘He got fired from the NFL,
and he’s perfect for college,’ ” says Daryl Gross, Syracuse’s athletic
director and an influential person in hiring Carroll at USC before the 2001
season. “ ‘This is where he should have been all along.’ I’d always say,
‘Please don’t say that. Please don’t market that.’ He told me a long
time ago, ‘One day, I might go back and win the Super Bowl.’ ”
Mitch Mustain is the quarterback of the USC scout team in 2008. One day at
practice, Carroll notices two freshman defensive linemen dogging it. Four-
star recruits. Oozing with talent. But they don’t want be on the scout team.
The next day Carroll comes to the team meeting steaming. He rips the
freshmen. Tells them they’ll never play if they pull that again.
“He could just as easily let them go,” Mustain says. “But he lit into
these guys. He made everybody feel about a foot tall, and I’m sure these
guys felt about six inches tall.
“It was Pete Carroll at his deepest. He was probably mad, but he was really
hurt. Honestly, I think that meeting turned those two around. It was
Jurrell Casey and Armond Armstead and they ended up doing pretty well.”
Casey and Armstead are each on NFL rosters.
Lane Kiffin tried to be Pete Carroll. He implemented many of Carroll’s
concepts when he became the Raiders’ coach in 2007. Tell-the-truth Monday.
Competition Wednesday. He put heavy emphasis on winning the turnover battle,
same as Carroll.
“I was with Lane Kiffin in Oakland, and he tried to do some of that stuff,
” tight end Zach Miller says. “But it didn’t feel like it was coming from
him. It felt like he was trying to copy Pete’s style. Guys could tell that
, and he didn’t have the same enthusiasm that coach Carroll has. He has an
infectious personality that makes you just want to play well.
“He’s the best coach I’ve ever had.”
Carroll’s style works for many reasons, but there is only one truth. “We’
re winning,” veteran quarterback Tarvaris Jackson says. “That also helps.”
Whether the Seahawks buy in because they’re winning or whether they’re
winning because they buy in is a chicken-or-egg question. But that’s not
the point. The point is that Carroll is doing it his way, in his voice, with
his style. He is doing it the only way he knows how.
“He’s, like legitimately, always positive,” Baldwin says. “It’s kind of
weird.”
Throughout his three-year tenure in New England, Patriots fans clamored for
him to be something else. Parcells criticized his players in public; Carroll
occasionally hugged his players in public. Parcells made demands; Carroll
asked for input.
In many ways it was an unfair comparison because it undercut the rest of
Carroll, especially his cutthroat competitiveness, but the perception stuck.
Carroll never felt he had the control he needed to succeed, the kind he had
at USC. After firing Carroll, Patriots owner Robert Kraft changed course and
gave Carroll’s successor, Bill Belichick, total control of the
organization. As Kraft explained to The Boston Globe when discussing Carroll
in 2010, “Sometimes you meet special people, but it’s just not at the
right time of your life.”
Control was a deal-breaker if Carroll was going to return to the NFL, but he
didn’t think he’d find a team willing to give it to him. Four or five
teams reached out while Carroll was at USC. The Seahawks were the only one
to meet his terms.
That meant Carroll could get players with the edge he was looking for. If
they didn’t have that, or if they didn’t buy into his approach, he could
replace them.
“When you know you’ve got your hand in everything and the product you’re
about to display on the field has your stamp on it, there are no questions
in your mind,” says Carroll’s son, Brennan, the receivers coach at the
University of Miami. “There are no other forces pulling on you, whether it
be someone wanting this player to play or wanting this defensive set. It’s
all coming from a centralized location. At least the message will be the
same.”
Carroll and general manager John Schneider have built the Seahawks largely
with homegrown players. Thirteen of Seattle’s 22 starters count Carroll as
their only NFL coach. His way is the only way they know.
“So you assume it’s like that all around the league,” says receiver
Golden Tate, and he laughs at the thought.
The headsets are off. The Trojans are taking a knee. The game is over.
And then it isn’t.
Carroll and his USC team lead rival UCLA 21-7 with 54 seconds left in 2009.
Quarterback Matt Barkley takes a knee and flips the ball to an official when
something strange happens. UCLA coach Rick Neuheisel calls a timeout.
The cameras cut to Carroll on the sideline talking with assistant coach
Jeremy Bates, who motions for Barkley. The Trojans line up again. Carroll
paces the sideline grinning.
And then, with much of the crowd gone, Barkley fakes a handoff and launches
a 48-yard touchdown pass behind the defense. The fans erupt. The
broadcasters are stunned. Carroll raises his hands in celebration, jogs to
Bates and hugs him.
“That’s all that was: An ‘F you,’ ” says Mustain, who high-fived
Carroll after the play. “He has that in him.”
Carroll’s style works because he never stopped believing it would. Behind
all the focus on his persona, on his transformation after getting fired, is
a confidence that never shook. You can read it in his quotes through the
years. He is defiant. His approach didn’t fail. It wasn’t given the chance
to succeed.
“It’s too bad you didn’t get it,” Carroll told one of his biggest
critics, Boston Globe columnist Dan Shaughnessy, in 2007. “You didn’t
figure out what I could have brought you. You guys never knew. You never
asked me any questions. You guys never figured out who I was. You never even
asked. We talked about hamstrings and shoulders and stuff. You guys never
did figure it out. It was terrible and it didn’t have to be like that. But
all of that having been said, we were just a couple of football decisions
from being on the other side of it.”
The word he has used to describe his feelings after getting fired from New
England is ‘pissed.’ He knew he could win in the NFL. And he knew he could
have fun doing it.
It’s the first day of Seahawks rookie minicamp in May. Tight end Luke
Willson is sitting in a quiet room filled with other rookie draft picks,
some guys who didn’t get drafted and some longshot free agents.
Then Carroll bursts in. Who are the kickers, he asks. Carroll brings them to
the basketball hoop in the front of the room. He wants to have a shootout.
Whoever wins, he tells the kickers, stays. Whoever loses gets cut.
He’s joking. The room cracks up.
“The next thing we know we’re shooting basketballs, he’s got a couple of
YouTube videos and we go out to practice and music is blaring the whole time
and he’s dancing around,” Willson says. “I was like, dude ... this guy
is kind of crazy.”
The year is 1991. Carroll is the defensive coordinator for the New York Jets
. He is 40 years old and has never been a head coach. The Jets are playing
the Patriots. They need a goal-line stand. A timeout is called. Carroll’s
defense heads to the sideline. “Do you understand how exciting this is?”
Carroll asks his players, according to the book, “Conquest: Pete Carroll
and the Trojans’ Climb to the Top of the College Football Mountain.” “How
great is this?”
The defense holds.
The year is 2013. Carroll is the coach of the Seahawks. He is 62 years old
and the head coach of his third NFL team. The Seahawks are playing the Rams.
They need a goal-line stand in the final seconds. A timeout is called.
Carroll’s waiting for the defense to come over, but only a few stragglers
make it. The rest are too tired. It’s too bad. He has a message ready.
“How cool is this?” he says.
The defense holds.
Jayson Jenks: 206-464-8277 or j****[email protected] | Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 2 我还记得几年前他还在USC没出事前，ESPN搞了个特辑说他recruit之余，在LA怎么帮街
上混混天天向上，当时还以为他有多伟大。后来没过两年就跑路了。这些东西大部分都
是公关的事情，现在成绩上来了，又浮出来。当然，几乎每个学校和球队都这样，只是
程度高低的问题。也就是媒体写出来的故事吸引点击率。 | R*3
发帖数: 11814 | 3 孰是孰非。真难有个定论，就PC和小哈包比较来看。PC是PLAYER COACH，给球员很大的
空间。有时候球员在场上脑袋发热或没有纪律时，大家都会拿出来诟病一番PC。但同时
球队凝聚力高，兄弟连的感情也是PC最大的功劳。相反小哈包就是比较注重纪律的典范
。一切像生产线，按部就班。
还有一点，不止一个球员说过，他们来雅图都相信自己在这个地方能够找到REDEMPTION
。比如马凌迟，在水牛已经待不下去了，比如蛇人，比如BB（Brandon Browner)，比如
BALDWIN，甚至于RW3。来雅图之前都或多或少承载了太多别人都白眼或不信任。理由多
种多样，马凌迟是坏小孩，蛇人和BB是个子太大，速度太慢，不适合打CB。RW3 就是
TOO SHORT！他们都在雅图证明了自己，让DOUBTER/HATER SHUT UP。 这个大环境/氛围
也是PC来雅图后一手构建起来的。
PC在临场指挥上还有改进空间，但他在球队的建设上的确值得雅图为其骄傲！
再次推荐球迷自己做的系列片 “RAIN CITY REDEMPTION” 现在出到EPISODE 3了。非
常好的，了解海鹰这几年历史的片子。
on
【在 e******u 的大作中提到】
: http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2022688891_seahawkscarrol
: There are two Pete Carrolls, but we usually only hear about one of them.
: That’s the guy we see chomping gum on the sideline and heaving footballs
: before games and generally having a blast. That Pete Carroll is 62 going on
: 30 and was once considered unfit for the NFL. Today he is held up as the
: antithesis of what is expected from an NFL coach.
: “He defies age,” safety Earl Thomas says.
: But what about the other Pete Carroll? He’s the one who notices when a
: player’s foot placement is slightly off at practice, who constructed the
: blueprint for Seattle’s defense and who will rip a player when needed.
| Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 4 my point is 这些NFL教练大部分都不是好鸟。包括哈巴，小鸡，PC。就不用粉色。至
于John Fox，我对他了解不多。不过感觉他人还行。 | R*3
发帖数: 11814 | 5 咱不需要讨论人品如何。我说的是对球队的贡献。
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: my point is 这些NFL教练大部分都不是好鸟。包括哈巴，小鸡，PC。就不用粉色。至
: 于John Fox，我对他了解不多。不过感觉他人还行。
| Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | | e******u
发帖数: 537 | 7 PC's job is not to appease those 让对他评头论足的haters，而是让他的球员有凝
聚力.
he did it at USC and is doing it again in the NFL. that's why he is a great
coach and great man for his players.
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: 我还记得几年前他还在USC没出事前，ESPN搞了个特辑说他recruit之余，在LA怎么帮街
: 上混混天天向上，当时还以为他有多伟大。后来没过两年就跑路了。这些东西大部分都
: 是公关的事情，现在成绩上来了，又浮出来。当然，几乎每个学校和球队都这样，只是
: 程度高低的问题。也就是媒体写出来的故事吸引点击率。
| Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 8 这样说吧，我看PC，从USC鼎盛时期开始，我曾经是他粉丝，当然有一定程度是因为老
周。他的欢乐足球理念，我早就知道。一定程度
上，的确很有效。但是长远来说，就很难知道效果。特别是成绩上去之后，对球队，特
别是明星球员的管理就会很容易出问题。他管不住Reggie Bush或是知道booster干这些
不去阻止，我不知道。但是到最后，他就是对球队lose control。市长也是这样，在鳄
鱼只顾成绩，广招问题球员，最后让明星球员主宰，导致球队内部矛盾重重，市长最后
也对球队失去控制。俺不知道PC这次在屎壳会不会吸取教训。那要几年后才浮现出来的。
我知道哈巴就不会有这个长期更衣室问题。因为他传承的就是Bo schembechler的管治
和领导方式。每个球员都是work for the team, work for each other，不买账的可以
走人。
你们几个宇宙队粉丝就是自讨没趣，PC搞臭了球队，你们还支持他。 | d**j
发帖数: 23329 | 9 那支明星球队内部的球员不矛盾重重的？没明星就困难重重。
的。
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: 这样说吧，我看PC，从USC鼎盛时期开始，我曾经是他粉丝，当然有一定程度是因为老
: 周。他的欢乐足球理念，我早就知道。一定程度
: 上，的确很有效。但是长远来说，就很难知道效果。特别是成绩上去之后，对球队，特
: 别是明星球员的管理就会很容易出问题。他管不住Reggie Bush或是知道booster干这些
: 不去阻止，我不知道。但是到最后，他就是对球队lose control。市长也是这样，在鳄
: 鱼只顾成绩，广招问题球员，最后让明星球员主宰，导致球队内部矛盾重重，市长最后
: 也对球队失去控制。俺不知道PC这次在屎壳会不会吸取教训。那要几年后才浮现出来的。
: 我知道哈巴就不会有这个长期更衣室问题。因为他传承的就是Bo schembechler的管治
: 和领导方式。每个球员都是work for the team, work for each other，不买账的可以
: 走人。
| e******u
发帖数: 537 | 10 PC never lost any control on the team. there was not a single evidence
showing PC was connected to RB scandal. The NCAA's argument was USC should "
have known it," and they are loosing the lawsuit with Todd McNair and will
likely to have to settle it. 球队内部矛盾重重? never the case in PC's USC
team.
的。
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: 这样说吧，我看PC，从USC鼎盛时期开始，我曾经是他粉丝，当然有一定程度是因为老
: 周。他的欢乐足球理念，我早就知道。一定程度
: 上，的确很有效。但是长远来说，就很难知道效果。特别是成绩上去之后，对球队，特
: 别是明星球员的管理就会很容易出问题。他管不住Reggie Bush或是知道booster干这些
: 不去阻止，我不知道。但是到最后，他就是对球队lose control。市长也是这样，在鳄
: 鱼只顾成绩，广招问题球员，最后让明星球员主宰，导致球队内部矛盾重重，市长最后
: 也对球队失去控制。俺不知道PC这次在屎壳会不会吸取教训。那要几年后才浮现出来的。
: 我知道哈巴就不会有这个长期更衣室问题。因为他传承的就是Bo schembechler的管治
: 和领导方式。每个球员都是work for the team, work for each other，不买账的可以
: 走人。
| | | m*****w
发帖数: 549 | 11 记得最清楚的是，PC有一句名言：If team win, you win. Your success is
dependent on team success.这个远远超过了football本身。我们现在Team leader经
常引用这句话，他不知道是那个football教练说的，他也不是看足球的人。虽然美国是
个个人英雄主义的国家，但是中国人应该好好学学美国如何合作。这个是他最出色的地
方。 | d***o
发帖数: 6117 | 12 没有哪个football教练不强调team吧
隆巴蒂还说啥individual commit to team effort, that's what makes a
civilization work之类高屋建瓴的话
强调team work肯定不会是成为优秀football教练的原因，因为基本上所有的教练都强
调。
【在 m*****w 的大作中提到】
: 记得最清楚的是，PC有一句名言：If team win, you win. Your success is
: dependent on team success.这个远远超过了football本身。我们现在Team leader经
: 常引用这句话，他不知道是那个football教练说的，他也不是看足球的人。虽然美国是
: 个个人英雄主义的国家，但是中国人应该好好学学美国如何合作。这个是他最出色的地
: 方。
| m*****w
发帖数: 549 | 13 我看Denver Bronco的教练巴不得大白菜 make any decision.他的成功决定着他的钱途
。 | d*****y
发帖数: 1365 | | h*****s
发帖数: 3289 | 15 阿福说得对 我要抛弃对PC莫须有的迷恋
跳车白菜 希望以逻辑为首的蔡蜜们以宽大的胸脯接受我.... | B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 16
【在 d***o 的大作中提到】
: 没有哪个football教练不强调team吧
: 隆巴蒂还说啥individual commit to team effort, that's what makes a
: civilization work之类高屋建瓴的话
: 强调team work肯定不会是成为优秀football教练的原因，因为基本上所有的教练都强
: 调。
| R*3
发帖数: 11814 | 17 LOL
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
| d*****y
发帖数: 1365 | 18 海鸟过去三年有8人次兴奋剂禁赛，NFL记录
"
【在 e******u 的大作中提到】
: PC never lost any control on the team. there was not a single evidence
: showing PC was connected to RB scandal. The NCAA's argument was USC should "
: have known it," and they are loosing the lawsuit with Todd McNair and will
: likely to have to settle it. 球队内部矛盾重重? never the case in PC's USC
: team.
:
: 的。
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