C*****8
发帖数: 1139 | 1 PSU的那个Jerry Sandusky性侵未成年孩子，他罪该万死。
可是，然而，但是，这个跟传奇的Joe Paterno一分钱的关系都没有啊。
大家都是成年人了，各自为各自的行为负责就行了。
更扯淡的就是还有三场就赛季结束了，至于要解雇吗？
最悲剧的是这哥们还患了癌症，很快在身心折磨中去世。
为什么美国还搞这种株连？ |
k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 2
how do you know this?
【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】
: PSU的那个Jerry Sandusky性侵未成年孩子，他罪该万死。
: 可是，然而，但是，这个跟传奇的Joe Paterno一分钱的关系都没有啊。
: 大家都是成年人了，各自为各自的行为负责就行了。
: 更扯淡的就是还有三场就赛季结束了，至于要解雇吗？
: 最悲剧的是这哥们还患了癌症，很快在身心折磨中去世。
: 为什么美国还搞这种株连？
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C*****8
发帖数: 1139 | 3 不知道。新闻里面一点没有提。如果有关系的话，也算是轰动一时的新闻。所以，合理
假定为没有。
或者可以请教你说的有关系是什么意思？
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
:
: how do you know this?
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p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 4 因为有人曾经好几年前就跟Joe Pa报告过Sandusky性侵的事情，Joe Pa虽然跟AD报告了
，但是没有追究。
【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】
: 不知道。新闻里面一点没有提。如果有关系的话，也算是轰动一时的新闻。所以，合理
: 假定为没有。
: 或者可以请教你说的有关系是什么意思？
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C*****8
发帖数: 1139 | 5 他不是执法部门，报告是不是就算尽责了？
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: 因为有人曾经好几年前就跟Joe Pa报告过Sandusky性侵的事情，Joe Pa虽然跟AD报告了
: ，但是没有追究。
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p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 6 有人觉得算，有人觉得不算。
【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】
: 他不是执法部门，报告是不是就算尽责了？
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 7 that's why he got fired only
the AD and a vice president of PSU, who were supposed to be 执法部门, were
facing crimial charge
【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】
: 他不是执法部门，报告是不是就算尽责了？
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 8 I still feel it is fishy about this case. All evidence is what the victims
said and witness like Mike McQueery saw or perceived to be. Those victims
definitely have financial motives to pursue the case and to exaggerate the
abuse or Sandusky's weird bahaviors. Even for his troubled adopted son Matt
Sandusky, there is a big financial motive for him to be on the accusers'
side.
From what I heard and read from the media, and the testimonies of those
victims. My judgement is Sandusky is definitely a pedophilia in mind. As to
what he has done to those victims, I still have a lot of doubts on what the
accusers said The old man probably had a lot of inappropriate contacts on
young boys. However,I am not sure if he has raped that kid (victim number 9)
or forced them (a couple of them) to perform oral sex. |
r****p
发帖数: 1949 | 9 这坑不好，辩论多了会伤和气。是否有罪，还是让陪审团去判断吧。 |
d**w
发帖数: 14889 | 10
well, he was sandusky's boss.
【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】
: 不知道。新闻里面一点没有提。如果有关系的话，也算是轰动一时的新闻。所以，合理
: 假定为没有。
: 或者可以请教你说的有关系是什么意思？
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d**w
发帖数: 14889 | 11 I actually find it very hard to believe that if he is indeed a pedophilia
and he has indeed abused so many of those kids (be it inappropriate contact)
like you said, yet you also believe nothing further has gone on? 有点自相
矛盾。。。 if there is only one child, yeah, maybe that's a believable
story. But since there are so many, it's hard to believe that touching was
all he ever did.....
Matt
to
the
【在 i*********r 的大作中提到】
: I still feel it is fishy about this case. All evidence is what the victims
: said and witness like Mike McQueery saw or perceived to be. Those victims
: definitely have financial motives to pursue the case and to exaggerate the
: abuse or Sandusky's weird bahaviors. Even for his troubled adopted son Matt
: Sandusky, there is a big financial motive for him to be on the accusers'
: side.
: From what I heard and read from the media, and the testimonies of those
: victims. My judgement is Sandusky is definitely a pedophilia in mind. As to
: what he has done to those victims, I still have a lot of doubts on what the
: accusers said The old man probably had a lot of inappropriate contacts on
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 12 like I said that I totally believe that he probably has done oral on some
boys. And only by that, he deserved to be put in jail for life.
But forcing boys to do oral on him and raping kids are a little hard to
believe. If that had happened, he probably would have been ousted a long
time ago. He is a monster, but probably not that big a monster.
Actually in public's eyes, Sandusky was a pretty decent, mild person. Here
is how Ron Ritchie talked about him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbwn_b9KzcE
I don't know how credible these accusers are. But you can not deny if not
all, most of them have financial motives. Exaggerating the abuse, to gain a
firmer civil case is totally understandable.
contact)
【在 d**w 的大作中提到】
: I actually find it very hard to believe that if he is indeed a pedophilia
: and he has indeed abused so many of those kids (be it inappropriate contact)
: like you said, yet you also believe nothing further has gone on? 有点自相
: 矛盾。。。 if there is only one child, yeah, maybe that's a believable
: story. But since there are so many, it's hard to believe that touching was
: all he ever did.....
:
: Matt
: to
: the
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 13 诱奸未成年人 跟 强奸未成年人 有多大差别？
强奸一个恐怕就事发了，诱奸才有可能搞多个 还有恃无恐的搞那么多年
这个角度看 他这种才是更大的monster
a
【在 i*********r 的大作中提到】
: like I said that I totally believe that he probably has done oral on some
: boys. And only by that, he deserved to be put in jail for life.
: But forcing boys to do oral on him and raping kids are a little hard to
: believe. If that had happened, he probably would have been ousted a long
: time ago. He is a monster, but probably not that big a monster.
: Actually in public's eyes, Sandusky was a pretty decent, mild person. Here
: is how Ron Ritchie talked about him
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbwn_b9KzcE
: I don't know how credible these accusers are. But you can not deny if not
: all, most of them have financial motives. Exaggerating the abuse, to gain a
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d**w
发帖数: 14889 | 14 a monster <> being violent. even some of the victims called him "loving".
that's exactly how he lured them in. took advantage of certain types of
kids. I can totally understand even if they didn't like what he was doing
to them, they couldn't refuse. IMO, that makes him an even bigger monster.
taking advantage of the young, the underprivileged and the vunerable.
a
【在 i*********r 的大作中提到】
: like I said that I totally believe that he probably has done oral on some
: boys. And only by that, he deserved to be put in jail for life.
: But forcing boys to do oral on him and raping kids are a little hard to
: believe. If that had happened, he probably would have been ousted a long
: time ago. He is a monster, but probably not that big a monster.
: Actually in public's eyes, Sandusky was a pretty decent, mild person. Here
: is how Ron Ritchie talked about him
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbwn_b9KzcE
: I don't know how credible these accusers are. But you can not deny if not
: all, most of them have financial motives. Exaggerating the abuse, to gain a
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a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 15 挖坑么？
【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】
: PSU的那个Jerry Sandusky性侵未成年孩子，他罪该万死。
: 可是，然而，但是，这个跟传奇的Joe Paterno一分钱的关系都没有啊。
: 大家都是成年人了，各自为各自的行为负责就行了。
: 更扯淡的就是还有三场就赛季结束了，至于要解雇吗？
: 最悲剧的是这哥们还患了癌症，很快在身心折磨中去世。
: 为什么美国还搞这种株连？
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z*i
发帖数: 58873 | 16 no
虎妈和人魔都是本版热门话题，有娃的多
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 挖坑么？
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d***o
发帖数: 6117 | 17 为什么“美国”就不能搞珠帘？
【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】
: PSU的那个Jerry Sandusky性侵未成年孩子，他罪该万死。
: 可是，然而，但是，这个跟传奇的Joe Paterno一分钱的关系都没有啊。
: 大家都是成年人了，各自为各自的行为负责就行了。
: 更扯淡的就是还有三场就赛季结束了，至于要解雇吗？
: 最悲剧的是这哥们还患了癌症，很快在身心折磨中去世。
: 为什么美国还搞这种株连？
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C*****8
发帖数: 1139 | 18 因为珠帘是落后的法律体系才存在的。
美国法律我觉得还是比较严谨的。
【在 d***o 的大作中提到】
: 为什么“美国”就不能搞珠帘？
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 19 how do you define 株连?
there can be only one person responsible?
【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】
: 因为珠帘是落后的法律体系才存在的。
: 美国法律我觉得还是比较严谨的。
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C*****8
发帖数: 1139 | 20 珠帘简单说就是无过错受罚，只因为和犯法的人有关系。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: how do you define 株连?
: there can be only one person responsible?
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 21 then what's 罚?
getting fired for this case?
he might meet his legal responsibility that's why he did not get criminal
charge
you can think it in a way that PSU thought he could have done more to
prevent all these
so he did not meet their caliber and got fired
【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】
: 珠帘简单说就是无过错受罚，只因为和犯法的人有关系。
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C*****8
发帖数: 1139 | 22 不想抬杠。不过你说的那些我不是都已经考虑到了吗？
问题是他究竟怎么样才算守法公民。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: then what's 罚?
: getting fired for this case?
: he might meet his legal responsibility that's why he did not get criminal
: charge
: you can think it in a way that PSU thought he could have done more to
: prevent all these
: so he did not meet their caliber and got fired
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 23 who said he is not a 守法公民?
【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】
: 不想抬杠。不过你说的那些我不是都已经考虑到了吗？
: 问题是他究竟怎么样才算守法公民。
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 24 法律没有株连，道德株连了
【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】
: 因为珠帘是落后的法律体系才存在的。
: 美国法律我觉得还是比较严谨的。
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d***o
发帖数: 6117 | 25 没人说老joe不守法啊
否则就不是fire而是trial了，
fire是单位内部失职的处罚，和司法体系啊法律珠帘啊啥的没关系。
你要是认为it没失职的话，那应该另开一坑议一议
【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】
: 不想抬杠。不过你说的那些我不是都已经考虑到了吗？
: 问题是他究竟怎么样才算守法公民。
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