l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 1 对方kickoff,receiving team在端区内接到球。
1。如果离开端区有回到端区，knee或者被tackle,应该算safety吧？
2. 如果没有离开端区，但向后出了底线，这个算touch back还是算safety? | a****y
发帖数: 2548 | 2 常理推测，1应该是safety，2应该是touchback。
【在 l*****8 的大作中提到】
: 对方kickoff,receiving team在端区内接到球。
: 1。如果离开端区有回到端区，knee或者被tackle,应该算safety吧？
: 2. 如果没有离开端区，但向后出了底线，这个算touch back还是算safety?
| b******u
发帖数: 469 | 3 should be.
【在 l*****8 的大作中提到】
: 对方kickoff,receiving team在端区内接到球。
: 1。如果离开端区有回到端区，knee或者被tackle,应该算safety吧？
: 2. 如果没有离开端区，但向后出了底线，这个算touch back还是算safety?
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 4 有个不常见的Kick Off规则是,
如果接球员在有一只脚在边界外, 另一只脚在边界内的时候接住球,
球还是算被踢出边界了, 踢方犯规, 接方在离开球处30码的地方开始进攻.
我见过一次, 当时很意外是这样的判决.
【在 l*****8 的大作中提到】
: 对方kickoff,receiving team在端区内接到球。
: 1。如果离开端区有回到端区，knee或者被tackle,应该算safety吧？
: 2. 如果没有离开端区，但向后出了底线，这个算touch back还是算safety?
| l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 5 Although the returning team get the 10 yard in penalty, they do lose the
chance of returning the football, as the ball is dead if the player is out
of bound. But if the ball if pined so close to the side line, the returning
team probably don't have a chance to return beyond the 30 yard line.
What if the player bubbles the ball and the ball goes out of bound, will
there still be a penalty on the kicking team?
What if the ball remains in bound, is the ball live?
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 有个不常见的Kick Off规则是,
: 如果接球员在有一只脚在边界外, 另一只脚在边界内的时候接住球,
: 球还是算被踢出边界了, 踢方犯规, 接方在离开球处30码的地方开始进攻.
: 我见过一次, 当时很意外是这样的判决.
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 6 Having the ball at 30 yards from the kickoff spot is more than a 10-yard penalty, though difficult to gauge precisely.
I think once the ball is touched by an inbound receiver, the kicking team is exonerated.
想起几年前隔壁版还有几位技术大牛(beckett, msee)在的时候,
曾经有过一次很热烈的争论:
如果punt returner calls for a fair catch,
踢方是必须让出两码的空间给他接球的.
但是如果他黄油手, 球在手掌上打转呢?
答案只要球没有落地, 他仍是不可侵犯的, 得给他机会接稳球.
结果就有人问了: 如果PR叫了fair catch以后, 有意无意, 一直用两手颠球,
既不接稳, 也不落地, 就这么往对方底线小跑过去, 难道踢方就眼睁睁的看着他长驱直入?
哈哈.
returning
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
: Although the returning team get the 10 yard in penalty, they do lose the
: chance of returning the football, as the ball is dead if the player is out
: of bound. But if the ball if pined so close to the side line, the returning
: team probably don't have a chance to return beyond the 30 yard line.
: What if the player bubbles the ball and the ball goes out of bound, will
: there still be a penalty on the kicking team?
: What if the ball remains in bound, is the ball live?
| l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 7
is exonerated.
I meant when the kick returner touches the ball, he has one foot out of
bound. If he catches the ball, they will start at the 30 yard line like you
said, but if he bubbles the ball, what happen if ball remains inbound or out
of bound? Will there still be penalty on the kicking team? Will the ball be
live if it is in bound?
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: Having the ball at 30 yards from the kickoff spot is more than a 10-yard penalty, though difficult to gauge precisely.
: I think once the ball is touched by an inbound receiver, the kicking team is exonerated.
: 想起几年前隔壁版还有几位技术大牛(beckett, msee)在的时候,
: 曾经有过一次很热烈的争论:
: 如果punt returner calls for a fair catch,
: 踢方是必须让出两码的空间给他接球的.
: 但是如果他黄油手, 球在手掌上打转呢?
: 答案只要球没有落地, 他仍是不可侵犯的, 得给他机会接稳球.
: 结果就有人问了: 如果PR叫了fair catch以后, 有意无意, 一直用两手颠球,
: 既不接稳, 也不落地, 就这么往对方底线小跑过去, 难道踢方就眼睁睁的看着他长驱直入?
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 8 That's treated as a kickoff out-of-bound, because the returner is forced to
step out to handle the ball to begin with. Penalty.
And the penalty is not "start at the 30 yard line" as you stated, rather, it
is starting at 30 yards FROM the kickoff spot: Kickoff made at 30, now
start at own 40; kickoff made at 35, now start at own 35.
you
out
be
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
:
: is exonerated.
: I meant when the kick returner touches the ball, he has one foot out of
: bound. If he catches the ball, they will start at the 30 yard line like you
: said, but if he bubbles the ball, what happen if ball remains inbound or out
: of bound? Will there still be penalty on the kicking team? Will the ball be
: live if it is in bound?
| z*i
发帖数: 58873 | 9 那岂不是应该扯着脖子伸着一只脚在外面接？
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 有个不常见的Kick Off规则是,
: 如果接球员在有一只脚在边界外, 另一只脚在边界内的时候接住球,
: 球还是算被踢出边界了, 踢方犯规, 接方在离开球处30码的地方开始进攻.
: 我见过一次, 当时很意外是这样的判决.
| z*i
发帖数: 58873 | 10 这种本领花好大劲练成了， fool me once, then the rule changes
penalty, though difficult to gauge precisely.
is exonerated.
直入?
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: Having the ball at 30 yards from the kickoff spot is more than a 10-yard penalty, though difficult to gauge precisely.
: I think once the ball is touched by an inbound receiver, the kicking team is exonerated.
: 想起几年前隔壁版还有几位技术大牛(beckett, msee)在的时候,
: 曾经有过一次很热烈的争论:
: 如果punt returner calls for a fair catch,
: 踢方是必须让出两码的空间给他接球的.
: 但是如果他黄油手, 球在手掌上打转呢?
: 答案只要球没有落地, 他仍是不可侵犯的, 得给他机会接稳球.
: 结果就有人问了: 如果PR叫了fair catch以后, 有意无意, 一直用两手颠球,
: 既不接稳, 也不落地, 就这么往对方底线小跑过去, 难道踢方就眼睁睁的看着他长驱直入?
| | | l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 11 That's why I ask the question. He just need to touch the tip of the ball
when his toe is on the sideline.
What if he jumps back from out of bound to touch the ball? He was out of
bound, but when he touch the ball, he is in the air before landing on the
turf.
【在 z*i 的大作中提到】
: 那岂不是应该扯着脖子伸着一只脚在外面接？
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 12 Or, the returner can simply stand still and LET the ball go out of bounds on
its own, and enjoy the ensuing penalty, right?
The returner is NOT required to go through any of these troubles you two
described below to enjoy the penalty. That's probably why I have only
witnessed the scenario once: the return guy probably wasn't even aware he
already had one foot out of bound when he caught the ball.
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
: That's why I ask the question. He just need to touch the tip of the ball
: when his toe is on the sideline.
: What if he jumps back from out of bound to touch the ball? He was out of
: bound, but when he touch the ball, he is in the air before landing on the
: turf.
| z*i
发帖数: 58873 | 13 不是啊，如果求基本在界内不太会出去呢？这个是队员利用自己是导体的性质来把本来
不出界的球搞成出界的球啊。
on
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: Or, the returner can simply stand still and LET the ball go out of bounds on
: its own, and enjoy the ensuing penalty, right?
: The returner is NOT required to go through any of these troubles you two
: described below to enjoy the penalty. That's probably why I have only
: witnessed the scenario once: the return guy probably wasn't even aware he
: already had one foot out of bound when he caught the ball.
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 14 Either team can recover the ball in a kickoff, so after the ball has already
landed in-bound but hasn't come to a complete stop, the returner probably
doesn't have much luxury (in terms of room and time) to judge its spin and
direction, then strategically position himself with one foot out, then
finally handle the ball to gain a penalty, all within about 1 second before
being swamped by the kicking team.
Really, the coach just wants you to pick up the ball and run. Even just
falling on it is entirely acceptable. "Keep it simple, stupid !" is the #1
rule in football at any level.
【在 z*i 的大作中提到】
: 不是啊，如果求基本在界内不太会出去呢？这个是队员利用自己是导体的性质来把本来
: 不出界的球搞成出界的球啊。
:
: on
| z*i
发帖数: 58873 | 15 hehe， 是啊，这不是受那个把球当烫山芋一样放在手里颠来颠去的启发么。
没球看，只能无聊啊。 呵呵
already
before
1
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: Either team can recover the ball in a kickoff, so after the ball has already
: landed in-bound but hasn't come to a complete stop, the returner probably
: doesn't have much luxury (in terms of room and time) to judge its spin and
: direction, then strategically position himself with one foot out, then
: finally handle the ball to gain a penalty, all within about 1 second before
: being swamped by the kicking team.
: Really, the coach just wants you to pick up the ball and run. Even just
: falling on it is entirely acceptable. "Keep it simple, stupid !" is the #1
: rule in football at any level.
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 16 But there, the returner is protected by having called a fair catch -- the
kicking team canNOT touch him. Here, it's a free for all.
You feel so 无聊 because you got turned down by the DFL? Ha ha.
【在 z*i 的大作中提到】
: hehe， 是啊，这不是受那个把球当烫山芋一样放在手里颠来颠去的启发么。
: 没球看，只能无聊啊。 呵呵
:
: already
: before
: 1
| z*i
发帖数: 58873 | 17 我前面有三个人呢，一开始就没戏。用外宁的术语来说，叫做一开始就输在起跑线上了。
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: But there, the returner is protected by having called a fair catch -- the
: kicking team canNOT touch him. Here, it's a free for all.
: You feel so 无聊 because you got turned down by the DFL? Ha ha.
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