s**********t
发帖数: 455 | 1 Let me start by saying that the work place is probably the most unforgiving,
judgmental place when it comes to what people wear and how they look. This
is because the office is a competitive environment -- you pretty much have
a conflict of interest with everybody around you. Everyone is consciously
or unconsciously trying to influence/manipulate others. And learning about
them through what they wear and how they carry themselves is a critical part
of the game.
A person who is put together and takes care of herself automatically gives
the impression that she is disciplined, pays attention to the details, and
has sufficient EQ to understand the social implications of how she looks.
Yes, you can say but our CEO comes to work in t-shirts and shorts -- well,
the CEO has already paid his dues and can afford not caring about how others
judge him by his looks, not you.
So, here are a few things that come to mind:
Being physically fit trumps everything. If you are a marathon runner and
regularly logs 25+ miles per week (which means you are probably an ace at
work too), you can pretty much get away with anything you feel like wearing
and still have respect from all the men and women.
Dress to your job and rank. The right to wear certain clothes in a work
environment has to be earned. For example, a high-end suit, expensive
designer shoes/bags/jewelry, etc., can only be worn after you've achieved a
certain status in the pyramid. You can only wear the "fuck-you" look after
you have attained the "fuck-you" money/power. Otherwise, you'll be seen as
a fake, and you'll have a big bull's eye on your back and suffer from
ridicule and resentment, especially from other women.
However, dressing appropriately doesn't mean dressing down. A safe rule is
to dress 10% better than other women in the same rank, but not so much
better to turn heads. (It's less risky, however, to dress significantly
better than men.) Also, find a style that fits your physique and
personality, and stick with it. Don't carry out fashion experiment at work.
If you want to change your style, do it gradually. In general, don't wear
jeans -- they tend to make people forget that you are a woman; unless you
wear them in such a way that it's part of an overall chic, feminine look (
for example, slim, straight jeans, fitted tweed jacket, and elegant high
heels -- for a casual Friday).
BTW, here is a simple way to always dress 10% better than others, even when
you are wearing exactly the same thing -- make everything FIT! Very rarely,
the ready-to-wear stuff you get in stores would fit you 100%. Pants,
jackets, shirts, skirts, you name it, everything can be altered. Get in the
habit of making alterations so that everything you wear (including jeans)
achieves the perfect fit you want. Get to know your tailor in town -- you
could have a brand new wardrobe without spending a lot of money if you give
all the clothes you have a proper alteration.
The bottom line: you want to dress just well enough to maximize all your
social advantages with men, without making other women your enemy. |
y**s
发帖数: 6809 | 2 sf
I strongly agli with you on the tayloring part. You should make the seamster
your boyfriend.
unforgiving,
This
have
about
part
【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】
: Let me start by saying that the work place is probably the most unforgiving,
: judgmental place when it comes to what people wear and how they look. This
: is because the office is a competitive environment -- you pretty much have
: a conflict of interest with everybody around you. Everyone is consciously
: or unconsciously trying to influence/manipulate others. And learning about
: them through what they wear and how they carry themselves is a critical part
: of the game.
: A person who is put together and takes care of herself automatically gives
: the impression that she is disciplined, pays attention to the details, and
: has sufficient EQ to understand the social implications of how she looks.
|
m***i
发帖数: 431 | 3 点评很精彩，学习了
那要是老板也是女的呢，有什么要注意的？
期待答案ing， 谢谢
unforgiving,
This
have
about
part
【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】
: Let me start by saying that the work place is probably the most unforgiving,
: judgmental place when it comes to what people wear and how they look. This
: is because the office is a competitive environment -- you pretty much have
: a conflict of interest with everybody around you. Everyone is consciously
: or unconsciously trying to influence/manipulate others. And learning about
: them through what they wear and how they carry themselves is a critical part
: of the game.
: A person who is put together and takes care of herself automatically gives
: the impression that she is disciplined, pays attention to the details, and
: has sufficient EQ to understand the social implications of how she looks.
|
l******x
发帖数: 1697 | 4 spt 一下
unforgiving,
This
have
about
part
【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】
: Let me start by saying that the work place is probably the most unforgiving,
: judgmental place when it comes to what people wear and how they look. This
: is because the office is a competitive environment -- you pretty much have
: a conflict of interest with everybody around you. Everyone is consciously
: or unconsciously trying to influence/manipulate others. And learning about
: them through what they wear and how they carry themselves is a critical part
: of the game.
: A person who is put together and takes care of herself automatically gives
: the impression that she is disciplined, pays attention to the details, and
: has sufficient EQ to understand the social implications of how she looks.
|
s**********t
发帖数: 455 | 5 It depends on so many things: what kind of work you do, her age, her looks,
her sense of security, her trust in you and other women , her marriage, her
sex life, her attitude toward men, the list goes on and on :)
Maybe you can describe a few things first: is she American or Asian? how
old is she? how does she dress? what kind of shoes does she wear? does
she take care of her hair/nails?
【在 m***i 的大作中提到】
: 点评很精彩，学习了
: 那要是老板也是女的呢，有什么要注意的？
: 期待答案ing， 谢谢
:
: unforgiving,
: This
: have
: about
: part
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o*********i
发帖数: 637 | 6 Strong RE!!!
I admire not only your perspective on Fashion but also your way of writing,
again! Points very well taken..
I have to share the story again about an MD in my firm always wears bright
pink pants on casual friday -- a very entertaining look, but for sure he can
wear it only because he is an MD already and anyone lesser than him is not
supposed to do that and might very likely be reminded by HR!! A senior
woman in my team carries a birkin to work, but i would not do that even if i
have one, well, not yet :P --- i have to say i am acting according to your
rules most of the time although i did not really give it much thoughts when
it comes to what to wear at work..
Bravo! Keep the good work up! |
s****t
发帖数: 117 | 7 留个爪子， 慢慢读。
如果公司的整体风格是牛仔裤加TSHIRT， 穿得很随便. 那么如果
我不想穿牛仔系列的， 该选择什么款式的衣服呢？ 穿了西装套
裙之后， 感觉和整体风格不搭调 |
s**********t
发帖数: 455 | 8 google "preppy style"
there is a whole spectrum of things you can wear between suits and jeans.
【在 s****t 的大作中提到】
: 留个爪子， 慢慢读。
: 如果公司的整体风格是牛仔裤加TSHIRT， 穿得很随便. 那么如果
: 我不想穿牛仔系列的， 该选择什么款式的衣服呢？ 穿了西装套
: 裙之后， 感觉和整体风格不搭调
|
s**********t
发帖数: 455 | 9 The guy who wears pink pants has (1) a strong ego; (2) an even stronger
sense of security. You can easily figure out a way to deal with him: (1)
hide your own ego; (2) be secure with yourself.
The woman who carries a Birkin to work -- she is screaming for attention and
validation.
,
can
not
i
your
when
【在 o*********i 的大作中提到】
: Strong RE!!!
: I admire not only your perspective on Fashion but also your way of writing,
: again! Points very well taken..
: I have to share the story again about an MD in my firm always wears bright
: pink pants on casual friday -- a very entertaining look, but for sure he can
: wear it only because he is an MD already and anyone lesser than him is not
: supposed to do that and might very likely be reminded by HR!! A senior
: woman in my team carries a birkin to work, but i would not do that even if i
: have one, well, not yet :P --- i have to say i am acting according to your
: rules most of the time although i did not really give it much thoughts when
|
A*********R
发帖数: 11847 | 10 This to a large degree also depends on which industry you are in. Dress
code in Wall Street is at least 10 thousand miles apart from Silicon Valley
so on and so forth.
For my own eyes, love the fashion variety in TV Series Ugly Betty. |
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a***8
发帖数: 4735 | 11 Wow, interesting.
and
【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】
: The guy who wears pink pants has (1) a strong ego; (2) an even stronger
: sense of security. You can easily figure out a way to deal with him: (1)
: hide your own ego; (2) be secure with yourself.
: The woman who carries a Birkin to work -- she is screaming for attention and
: validation.
:
: ,
: can
: not
: i
|
b*********s
发帖数: 5382 | 12 俺看见用birkin上班的女人，打扮都很professional，很多都喜欢穿裤装suit，拿个低
调的黑／棕／灰色birkin，看起来都很中性很高管的样子，年纪也都不小了 |
b*********s
发帖数: 5382 | 13 看看jcrew catalog，里面有很多适合business casual搭配
【在 s****t 的大作中提到】
: 留个爪子， 慢慢读。
: 如果公司的整体风格是牛仔裤加TSHIRT， 穿得很随便. 那么如果
: 我不想穿牛仔系列的， 该选择什么款式的衣服呢？ 穿了西装套
: 裙之后， 感觉和整体风格不搭调
|
l******3
发帖数: 139 | |
a********a
发帖数: 3176 | 15 Agree with you: 'The right to wear certain clothes in a work environment
has to be earned.' This might also apply to cars.
But what if the clothes are expensive but low-key, not conspicuously flashy?
Like well-made but modest looking Italian suits for an entry level guy at
work?
unforgiving,
This
have
about
part
【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】
: Let me start by saying that the work place is probably the most unforgiving,
: judgmental place when it comes to what people wear and how they look. This
: is because the office is a competitive environment -- you pretty much have
: a conflict of interest with everybody around you. Everyone is consciously
: or unconsciously trying to influence/manipulate others. And learning about
: them through what they wear and how they carry themselves is a critical part
: of the game.
: A person who is put together and takes care of herself automatically gives
: the impression that she is disciplined, pays attention to the details, and
: has sufficient EQ to understand the social implications of how she looks.
|
b********a
发帖数: 5418 | 16 for me I feel like even preppy style is overdressing...
Being the only woman in a small space makes it really hard to dress up --
naturally it's like an attempt to seduce the co-workers....
【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】
: google "preppy style"
: there is a whole spectrum of things you can wear between suits and jeans.
|
l*********n
发帖数: 127 | 17 这篇真的写的很不错啊 比前几篇好太多了
unforgiving,
This
have
about
part
【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】
: Let me start by saying that the work place is probably the most unforgiving,
: judgmental place when it comes to what people wear and how they look. This
: is because the office is a competitive environment -- you pretty much have
: a conflict of interest with everybody around you. Everyone is consciously
: or unconsciously trying to influence/manipulate others. And learning about
: them through what they wear and how they carry themselves is a critical part
: of the game.
: A person who is put together and takes care of herself automatically gives
: the impression that she is disciplined, pays attention to the details, and
: has sufficient EQ to understand the social implications of how she looks.
|
X*********n
发帖数: 445 | 18 bingo, she is over 40 and uses a black birkin for work -- well, it still
catches my attention
she previously worked for GS and she is not 中性 at all
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 俺看见用birkin上班的女人，打扮都很professional，很多都喜欢穿裤装suit，拿个低
: 调的黑／棕／灰色birkin，看起来都很中性很高管的样子，年纪也都不小了
|
b*********s
发帖数: 5382 | 19 preppy其实不见得很dress up，比如AF／Jcrew／Ralph Lauren都可以说是pretty类的
，不见得要穿成Rugby那样
【在 b********a 的大作中提到】
: for me I feel like even preppy style is overdressing...
: Being the only woman in a small space makes it really hard to dress up --
: naturally it's like an attempt to seduce the co-workers....
|
M****a
发帖数: 5211 | 20 well said
但是这些不都是commonsense么？ 前几篇反而有些新鲜的东西。
unforgiving,
This
have
consciously
about
critical part
gives
and
looks.
【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】
: Let me start by saying that the work place is probably the most unforgiving,
: judgmental place when it comes to what people wear and how they look. This
: is because the office is a competitive environment -- you pretty much have
: a conflict of interest with everybody around you. Everyone is consciously
: or unconsciously trying to influence/manipulate others. And learning about
: them through what they wear and how they carry themselves is a critical part
: of the game.
: A person who is put together and takes care of herself automatically gives
: the impression that she is disciplined, pays attention to the details, and
: has sufficient EQ to understand the social implications of how she looks.
|
|
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b*********s
发帖数: 5382 | 21 我见过的女高管不少都喜欢穿裤装suit，比穿裙装要中性一点。不过我上次去DC见客户
，那里的女高管也是GS出来的，穿的就是裙装suit，很鲜艳的颜色，可能是地域性？
【在 X*********n 的大作中提到】
: bingo, she is over 40 and uses a black birkin for work -- well, it still
: catches my attention
: she previously worked for GS and she is not 中性 at all
|
X*********n
发帖数: 445 | 22 GS thing？ 哈哈, kidding..她不算那种很历害的高管，我老板招她因为以前认识，结
果很快被我发现业务不行，就知道指手划脚，特会写巨长的email, 讨厌！俺公司真正
历害的女人都穿得像男人，穿得最花枝招展的是小秘们！
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 我见过的女高管不少都喜欢穿裤装suit，比穿裙装要中性一点。不过我上次去DC见客户
: ，那里的女高管也是GS出来的，穿的就是裙装suit，很鲜艳的颜色，可能是地域性？
|
b*********s
发帖数: 5382 | 23 真正历害的女人都穿得像男人 -- bloody truth! It applies to all the female MDs
I've seen!
那个DC女客户也不行，老问特NC的问题，简直考验偶的耐心！
【在 X*********n 的大作中提到】
: GS thing？ 哈哈, kidding..她不算那种很历害的高管，我老板招她因为以前认识，结
: 果很快被我发现业务不行，就知道指手划脚，特会写巨长的email, 讨厌！俺公司真正
: 历害的女人都穿得像男人，穿得最花枝招展的是小秘们！
|
X*********n
发帖数: 445 | 24 when talking abt dress code I assume we already exclude sillicon valley :p
client facing roles on WS probably have the most strict rules on how to
dress but I think lz's comments apply to most corporate settings
【在 A*********R 的大作中提到】
: This to a large degree also depends on which industry you are in. Dress
: code in Wall Street is at least 10 thousand miles apart from Silicon Valley
: so on and so forth.
: For my own eyes, love the fashion variety in TV Series Ugly Betty.
|
X*********n
发帖数: 445 | 25 haha understood !
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 真正历害的女人都穿得像男人 -- bloody truth! It applies to all the female MDs
: I've seen!
: 那个DC女客户也不行，老问特NC的问题，简直考验偶的耐心！
|
b*********s
发帖数: 5382 | |
X*********n
发帖数: 445 | 27 well i think lz is trying to preach on some everyday fashion sense which has
been taken for granted by many of us --- there is still a lot to talk about
before we get to the topic of 帽子, esp. those of the royal wedding, haha
在 bubububbles (paopaopaopao) 的大作中提到: 】 |
b*********s
发帖数: 5382 | 28 那就写袜子，长的短的，透明的不透明的，各种颜色各种花纹的
has
about
【在 X*********n 的大作中提到】
: well i think lz is trying to preach on some everyday fashion sense which has
: been taken for granted by many of us --- there is still a lot to talk about
: before we get to the topic of 帽子, esp. those of the royal wedding, haha
: 在 bubububbles (paopaopaopao) 的大作中提到: 】
|
X*********n
发帖数: 445 | 29 臭和不臭的。。
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 那就写袜子，长的短的，透明的不透明的，各种颜色各种花纹的
:
: has
: about
|
l******x
发帖数: 1697 | 30 Same feeling here, too.
【在 M****a 的大作中提到】
: well said
: 但是这些不都是commonsense么？ 前几篇反而有些新鲜的东西。
:
: unforgiving,
: This
: have
: consciously
: about
: critical part
: gives
|
|
|
X*********n
发帖数: 445 | 31 what is good abt lz's posts is that he is talking abt COMMEN-sense -- We
always miss one point or two here and there even we are very confident in
our own way of fashion. That is why some jms like this post better while
others think it is just commensense since they are alreay aware. For me i will buy what lz says for most part becasuse i believe I am subconciously following the rules that lz put down, it is good to bring things to the concious level though.
【在 l******x 的大作中提到】
: Same feeling here, too.
|
l******x
发帖数: 1697 | 32 I am simply saying that I expect more from him.
will buy what lz says for most part becasuse i believe I am subconciously
following the rules that lz put down, it is good to bring things to the
concious level though.
【在 X*********n 的大作中提到】
: what is good abt lz's posts is that he is talking abt COMMEN-sense -- We
: always miss one point or two here and there even we are very confident in
: our own way of fashion. That is why some jms like this post better while
: others think it is just commensense since they are alreay aware. For me i will buy what lz says for most part becasuse i believe I am subconciously following the rules that lz put down, it is good to bring things to the concious level though.
|
b********a
发帖数: 5418 | 33 yep, strolling around in AF sweatpants right now.... haha
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: preppy其实不见得很dress up，比如AF／Jcrew／Ralph Lauren都可以说是pretty类的
: ，不见得要穿成Rugby那样
|
f*******g
发帖数: 1290 | 34 Good points and well written. I have to furhter flatter that: are you sure
this is your original writing? |
P**I
发帖数: 3628 | |
T**********h
发帖数: 609 | 36 this paragraph def won't make you popular here, lol.
regularly logs 25+ miles per week (which means you are probably an ace at
work too), you can pretty much get away with anything you feel like wearing
and still have respect from all the men and women.
【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】
: The guy who wears pink pants has (1) a strong ego; (2) an even stronger
: sense of security. You can easily figure out a way to deal with him: (1)
: hide your own ego; (2) be secure with yourself.
: The woman who carries a Birkin to work -- she is screaming for attention and
: validation.
:
: ,
: can
: not
: i
|
s**********t
发帖数: 455 | 37 Now we are talking about a whole different ball game here -- at that level,
you will be competing with men in the old boy's club, in a 95% male
environment, on men's terms. And these are not the guy in the next cubicle.
We are talking about men who have have gone through rounds and rounds of
natural selection, the alphas of the alphas.
So, essentially, if you are that woman, you will be comparing dick sizes
with other alpha males. And you know you already have a bigger dick than 99
% of the guys under the sky. Nonetheless, dressing in a feminine way and
reminding of the sharks around you that you are a woman probably does more
disservice to you than bringing social advantages (at that point, "social
advantages" become a petty concept). You dress to make other men
automatically stand at attention, salute to you as a general, and think
about their pay check, not about what's inside your dress.
MDs
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 真正历害的女人都穿得像男人 -- bloody truth! It applies to all the female MDs
: I've seen!
: 那个DC女客户也不行，老问特NC的问题，简直考验偶的耐心！
|
s**********t
发帖数: 455 | 38 That paragraph is the ugly truth :)
wearing
【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】
: this paragraph def won't make you popular here, lol.
:
: regularly logs 25+ miles per week (which means you are probably an ace at
: work too), you can pretty much get away with anything you feel like wearing
: and still have respect from all the men and women.
|
I*******i
发帖数: 1703 | 39 haha, interesting remarks~
the first thing came to my mind when i see these women is that they are too
focused on their work, no spare energy for thinking abt how to look nice..
admins and secretaries just have too much time to spare , even at work
,
cubicle.
99
【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】
: Now we are talking about a whole different ball game here -- at that level,
: you will be competing with men in the old boy's club, in a 95% male
: environment, on men's terms. And these are not the guy in the next cubicle.
: We are talking about men who have have gone through rounds and rounds of
: natural selection, the alphas of the alphas.
: So, essentially, if you are that woman, you will be comparing dick sizes
: with other alpha males. And you know you already have a bigger dick than 99
: % of the guys under the sky. Nonetheless, dressing in a feminine way and
: reminding of the sharks around you that you are a woman probably does more
: disservice to you than bringing social advantages (at that point, "social
|
s**********t
发帖数: 455 | 40 If you want to see more advanced stuff, come to my club.
If I post more technical stuff here they would quickly sink to oblivion :)
【在 l******x 的大作中提到】
: I am simply saying that I expect more from him.
:
: will buy what lz says for most part becasuse i believe I am subconciously
: following the rules that lz put down, it is good to bring things to the
: concious level though.
|
|
|
s**********t
发帖数: 455 | 41 Well that's probably true. They most likely had to give up being a woman to
get there.
too
【在 I*******i 的大作中提到】
: haha, interesting remarks~
: the first thing came to my mind when i see these women is that they are too
: focused on their work, no spare energy for thinking abt how to look nice..
: admins and secretaries just have too much time to spare , even at work
:
: ,
: cubicle.
: 99
|
a********e
发帖数: 80 | 42 Some say that people should dress for the position of one level higher.
unforgiving,
This
have
about
part
【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】
: Let me start by saying that the work place is probably the most unforgiving,
: judgmental place when it comes to what people wear and how they look. This
: is because the office is a competitive environment -- you pretty much have
: a conflict of interest with everybody around you. Everyone is consciously
: or unconsciously trying to influence/manipulate others. And learning about
: them through what they wear and how they carry themselves is a critical part
: of the game.
: A person who is put together and takes care of herself automatically gives
: the impression that she is disciplined, pays attention to the details, and
: has sufficient EQ to understand the social implications of how she looks.
|
g*****s
发帖数: 121 | 43 Excellent advice and well articulated.
Do you have advice for men?
unforgiving,
This
have
about
part
【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】
: Let me start by saying that the work place is probably the most unforgiving,
: judgmental place when it comes to what people wear and how they look. This
: is because the office is a competitive environment -- you pretty much have
: a conflict of interest with everybody around you. Everyone is consciously
: or unconsciously trying to influence/manipulate others. And learning about
: them through what they wear and how they carry themselves is a critical part
: of the game.
: A person who is put together and takes care of herself automatically gives
: the impression that she is disciplined, pays attention to the details, and
: has sufficient EQ to understand the social implications of how she looks.
|
s*e
发帖数: 303 | |
c*****a
发帖数: 5428 | 45 再次support一下
下次谈谈啥？party上最受欢迎的cocktail dress? |
