H*******e
发帖数: 726 | 1 我一直是在对牛弹琴。同一门四年级的课，和去年一样教法（今年已经把很多非重点的内容删去），为什么学生会差那么多？为什么学生不懂不即时问呢？ 今年的Teaching evaluation 一定会从4.65掉到3.xx? | a**********d
发帖数: 2293 | 2 教书现在越来越像谈恋爱，学生上进心和work ethics越来越差，第一印象、
chemistry这些东西越来越重要，碰上一个班的学生跟你不来电，再忙活也不灵。
teaching evaluations高的教授都是情场老手，两瓶蒸馏水都能整出化学反应。 | H*******e
发帖数: 726 | 3 是的。我有一个同事(讲师)，算是我的哥们，教低年级大课（150+），经常拿4.9/5.0
。他有些东西自己不懂（不是开玩笑）就不讲。学生是白纸。我发现他的强项是bring
himself down to the level and become buddy with the students.
另一些老师认认真真想教学生点东西，倒是吃力不讨好。有时候发考卷有种浪费人生的
感觉。Research也一样，大多数人在做paper灌水，看谁灌的牛。
我以前有一个老师（他算是大牛， 不是学术上的那种）一直跟我们说，Professor is
the second oldest profession. 我觉得他说的没错。
【在 a**********d 的大作中提到】
: 教书现在越来越像谈恋爱，学生上进心和work ethics越来越差，第一印象、
: chemistry这些东西越来越重要，碰上一个班的学生跟你不来电，再忙活也不灵。
: teaching evaluations高的教授都是情场老手，两瓶蒸馏水都能整出化学反应。
| H*******e
发帖数: 726 | 4 是的。我有一个同事(讲师)，算是我的哥们，教低年级大课（150+），经常拿4.9/5.0
。他有些东西自己不懂（不是开玩笑）就不讲。学生是白纸。我发现他的强项是bring
himself down to the level and become buddy with the students.
另一些老师认认真真想教学生点东西，倒是吃力不讨好。有时候发考卷有种浪费人生的
感觉。Research也一样，大多数人在做paper灌水，看谁灌的牛。
我以前有一个老师（他算是大牛， 不是学术上的那种）一直跟我们说，Professor is
the second oldest profession. 我觉得他说的没错。
【在 a**********d 的大作中提到】
: 教书现在越来越像谈恋爱，学生上进心和work ethics越来越差，第一印象、
: chemistry这些东西越来越重要，碰上一个班的学生跟你不来电，再忙活也不灵。
: teaching evaluations高的教授都是情场老手，两瓶蒸馏水都能整出化学反应。
| q********m
发帖数: 3234 | 5 同意
0
bring
is
【在 H*******e 的大作中提到】
: 是的。我有一个同事(讲师)，算是我的哥们，教低年级大课（150+），经常拿4.9/5.0
: 。他有些东西自己不懂（不是开玩笑）就不讲。学生是白纸。我发现他的强项是bring
: himself down to the level and become buddy with the students.
: 另一些老师认认真真想教学生点东西，倒是吃力不讨好。有时候发考卷有种浪费人生的
: 感觉。Research也一样，大多数人在做paper灌水，看谁灌的牛。
: 我以前有一个老师（他算是大牛， 不是学术上的那种）一直跟我们说，Professor is
: the second oldest profession. 我觉得他说的没错。
| m****e
发帖数: 282 | 6 Why do you care what they learned? Care for your own evaluation and live a
better life.
的内容删去），为什么学生会差那么多？为什么学生不懂不即时问呢？ 今年的
Teaching evaluation 一定会从4.65掉到3.xx?
【在 H*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我一直是在对牛弹琴。同一门四年级的课，和去年一样教法（今年已经把很多非重点的内容删去），为什么学生会差那么多？为什么学生不懂不即时问呢？ 今年的Teaching evaluation 一定会从4.65掉到3.xx?
| v*******y
发帖数: 5530 | 7 发考卷的时候
觉得自己都是白做功
的内容删去），为什么学生会差那么多？为什么学生不懂不即时问呢？ 今年的
Teaching evaluation 一定会从4.65掉到3.xx?
【在 H*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我一直是在对牛弹琴。同一门四年级的课，和去年一样教法（今年已经把很多非重点的内容删去），为什么学生会差那么多？为什么学生不懂不即时问呢？ 今年的Teaching evaluation 一定会从4.65掉到3.xx?
| g****7
发帖数: 192 | 8 我们这里有门课，已经2/3的学生drop了。30多现在10多，期中后至少两个人又在想
drop. | n***p
发帖数: 7668 | 9 I totally agree. I used to care too much if they learned anything. For
some students, they themselves even don't care, why bother?
这真是醍醐灌顶。。 提着一桶糨糊灌了学生的头顶。
a
【在 m****e 的大作中提到】
: Why do you care what they learned? Care for your own evaluation and live a
: better life.
:
: 的内容删去），为什么学生会差那么多？为什么学生不懂不即时问呢？ 今年的
: Teaching evaluation 一定会从4.65掉到3.xx?
| m****e
发帖数: 282 | 10 There is what they deem important and there is what we think is important.
Unfortunately, the latter only bears its relevance to long term benefits,
where we are judged by mere short term ramifications. I try the best I can
to integrate short term fun with long term benefis, but it is not always
feasible.
【在 n***p 的大作中提到】
: I totally agree. I used to care too much if they learned anything. For
: some students, they themselves even don't care, why bother?
: 这真是醍醐灌顶。。 提着一桶糨糊灌了学生的头顶。
:
: a
| | | H*******e
发帖数: 726 | 11 还是想把课较好， 不能误人子弟。分析了一下，上一门基础课，那个老师乱来，不按
照calendar讲，而且讲的差，学生对subject也没了兴趣。而上一批的学生是我从基础
课一把手教的。Sigh, sometimes one alone can not fix the problem.
【在 m****e 的大作中提到】
: Why do you care what they learned? Care for your own evaluation and live a
: better life.
:
: 的内容删去），为什么学生会差那么多？为什么学生不懂不即时问呢？ 今年的
: Teaching evaluation 一定会从4.65掉到3.xx?
| m****e
发帖数: 282 | 12 不能误人子弟? What makes you think you are not?
I am sure you are trying the best you can and still find it frustrating. Ok,
define good first. Good is not the dogmatic set of concepts or ideologies
that we impose to students. As beauty is in the eyes of beholders, good
should at least be partially in the mind of students.
A former colleague of mine never covers much of the math skill that most of
us from my background would deem paramount. I thought students liked him
because of his easy style and good personality. Then I got a chance to see
his materials, even I found them pretty interesting where the lack of math
part seemed fine. Students came to my class were still lacking of math
skills, but they could see the subject from a different perspective and they
were motivated to learn.
Why many of us are 误人子弟? I was and am pretty sure to a certain extent I
am still making the same mistakes. Teaching is not just a one way route. If
your colleague did not teach the core course well, why could not you find
this out at least before the mid of the semester and make changes? The same
material will never survive all classes as student demographics change and
their perspective changes. What makes us think that teaching is only about
standing there and stuff students with our thoughts without ever considering
the audience body and their need? I am known for being tough, even I would
make efforts to find out the uniqueness of my classes and adapt to the class
a little bit. Once you know your class/audiences better, your teaching
would be more effective. The assumption that all of those that social with
their students is necessarily lowering the standard has to be wrong.
On the other hand, your evaluation and teaching quality are not the same.
Teaching is about dealing with people and people skills, for all us, take
time to learn, especially the skills to deal with people in this country. I
am tough, but I am also known for being fair. Fair is not only treating
everyone equally. Fair is also about the content fairness and education
method fairness and more. The stereotype being set by our high school
teachers would not fit or I would say it is outdated.
Those who suffered from poor evaluations and still stuck to his/her own
minds, worse yet, attempt to blame others, will suffer for a long time to
come. I hope you grow out of this soon.
【在 H*******e 的大作中提到】
: 还是想把课较好， 不能误人子弟。分析了一下，上一门基础课，那个老师乱来，不按
: 照calendar讲，而且讲的差，学生对subject也没了兴趣。而上一批的学生是我从基础
: 课一把手教的。Sigh, sometimes one alone can not fix the problem.
| x3
发帖数: 616 | 13 这么义愤填膺？不过倒是句句在理，而且是英文的，版上需要写teaching statement的
可以借鉴借鉴
Ok,
of
【在 m****e 的大作中提到】
: 不能误人子弟? What makes you think you are not?
: I am sure you are trying the best you can and still find it frustrating. Ok,
: define good first. Good is not the dogmatic set of concepts or ideologies
: that we impose to students. As beauty is in the eyes of beholders, good
: should at least be partially in the mind of students.
: A former colleague of mine never covers much of the math skill that most of
: us from my background would deem paramount. I thought students liked him
: because of his easy style and good personality. Then I got a chance to see
: his materials, even I found them pretty interesting where the lack of math
: part seemed fine. Students came to my class were still lacking of math
| H*******e
发帖数: 726 | 14 While I share many same opinions with you on teaching, I think you are
jumping the gun a bit too soon.
The very person who taught the prerequisite course is one of few I happen to
know 误人子弟。Because he confided to me in many occasions that he gave no
damn about teaching (as he is tenured). His goal is to minimize his teaching
effort and maximize research output as long as he is not the worst
instructor in the department. He also encourages others to follow him.
However the students were no fools and he was consistently given the lowest
teaching score in the department. Several students complained to me in
private that they learned absolutely nothing from his course and passed the
course with B or better when they should have failed.
We are not talking about a person who is trying different teaching pedagogy
by teaching less math and more intuition. We are talking about someone who
is completely selfish and irresponsible to his profession.
Ok,
of
【在 m****e 的大作中提到】
: 不能误人子弟? What makes you think you are not?
: I am sure you are trying the best you can and still find it frustrating. Ok,
: define good first. Good is not the dogmatic set of concepts or ideologies
: that we impose to students. As beauty is in the eyes of beholders, good
: should at least be partially in the mind of students.
: A former colleague of mine never covers much of the math skill that most of
: us from my background would deem paramount. I thought students liked him
: because of his easy style and good personality. Then I got a chance to see
: his materials, even I found them pretty interesting where the lack of math
: part seemed fine. Students came to my class were still lacking of math
| a**********d
发帖数: 2293 | 15 不完全同意，不过 you make some great points，赞一个。
Ok,
of
【在 m****e 的大作中提到】
: 不能误人子弟? What makes you think you are not?
: I am sure you are trying the best you can and still find it frustrating. Ok,
: define good first. Good is not the dogmatic set of concepts or ideologies
: that we impose to students. As beauty is in the eyes of beholders, good
: should at least be partially in the mind of students.
: A former colleague of mine never covers much of the math skill that most of
: us from my background would deem paramount. I thought students liked him
: because of his easy style and good personality. Then I got a chance to see
: his materials, even I found them pretty interesting where the lack of math
: part seemed fine. Students came to my class were still lacking of math
| a*********g
发帖数: 8087 | 16 想学得孩子能学到就行了
自己都不想学的孩子，别人能有什么办法 | m****e
发帖数: 282 | 17 I apologize for my tone. Without breakfast, I did not have much control over
my comments.
I was just chatting with a friend/colleague of mine last week about his
evaluation. It was just simply hard to believe that as intelligent and
hardworking as he is, no solution ever came to his mind before his
evaluation dropped that low.
Managing evaluation is surely in line with teaching quality. They do not
necessarily work in opposite directions. As I mentioned method fairness in
my previous comments, a good example surfaced last week. A EMBA student of
mine, yes, the really painful and annoying kind, told me he really liked the
fact that I check attendance constantly. In retrospect, I realized he was
trying to tell me that this is fair. If someone like him, 1.5 hour commute
and often early board meeting, could make it to the night class that ends
around 10:00 pm, it would be only unfair if I did not even care about
attendance. The point is that simple things, especially rules, matter in
your classroom and they make great differences. We tends to think teaching
is only about the content and never pay attention to manage our classroom.
You will find managing classroom could be very effective in lifting your
score on evaluation. Did I need to lower my teaching quality, well, not at
all.
Another issue with us, Chinese faculty, is to avoid conflicts. This one just
got my warning in public despite that he has been the sharpest and most
experienced person in my class (yes, he is even more experienced than I am
on the subject matter). Avoiding conflicts only mean more conflicts and
troubles down the road. Certainly, I am not trying to say this is a problem
for you, but it is a big issue for my colleague. After the warning, the
whole class, behaved much better. I did this because I still clearly
remember the challenging and snobbish look these guys gave me on the first
day of class, that was a sign of a silent volcano waiting to erupt. If I let
that take its natural course, my pity future would be determined. This is
an example of what I mean by managing your classroom. I guess the key from
my experience is that managing house logistics and managing conflicts are
integral to your teaching. Not only us, all professionals that deal with
human beings have to learn this.
Having said all these, I have to clarify that teaching is a continuous
spectrum and you colleague chose a place that is too low based on your
description. I would be disgusted by myself if I did that. But an
optimization that could generate higher level efficiency is needed. Care for
your teaching (your side of the burden), not what you think they should
learn or be interested in, and things will turn better. Magically, some
students learn more. Put a plan at the beginning of the semester and make
simple adjustments, such as being approachable by students, your life became
much easier, your teaching became more effective, and your students could
be happier. Research is the No. 1 thing for our survival. So, a good routine
on other things only helps.
Again, I am sorry for my rudeness. Your kindness and great personality
surely will benefit you enormously. Best luck.
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no
teaching
lowest
the
【在 H*******e 的大作中提到】
: While I share many same opinions with you on teaching, I think you are
: jumping the gun a bit too soon.
: The very person who taught the prerequisite course is one of few I happen to
: know 误人子弟。Because he confided to me in many occasions that he gave no
: damn about teaching (as he is tenured). His goal is to minimize his teaching
: effort and maximize research output as long as he is not the worst
: instructor in the department. He also encourages others to follow him.
: However the students were no fools and he was consistently given the lowest
: teaching score in the department. Several students complained to me in
: private that they learned absolutely nothing from his course and passed the
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