w*******t
发帖数: 2459 | 1 什么情况?
俺看了一下,这个bill是2007年4月release的,5年后老格还在喊...而且OPT都出来了,
youtube也整. 明白人给说说G-D的bill现在是什么情况?
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WASHINGTON, DC - U.S. Senators Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Dick Durbin (D-IL)
introduced "The H-1B and L-1 Visa Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act of 2007"
last week to overhaul the H-1B and L-1 visa programs to give priority to
American workers and crack down on unscrupulous employers who deprive
qualified Americans of high-skill jobs.
The H-1B visa program allows American companies and universities to employ
temporary foreign workers who have the equivalent of a U.S. bachelor’s
degree in a job category that is considered by the U.S. Citizenship &
Immigration Services to be a "specialty occupation". The L-1 visa program
allows companies to transfer certain employees from their foreign facilities
to their U.S. facilities for up to seven years.
“Our immigration policy should seek to complement our U.S. workforce, not
replace it,” Durbin said. “Some employers have abused the H-1B and L-1
temporary work visa programs, using them to bypass qualified American job
applicants. This bill will set up safeguards for American workers, and
provide much-needed oversight and enforcement of employers who fail to abide
by the law.”
"This is about protecting the American worker,” said Senator
Grassley. “We're closing loopholes that employers have exploited by
requiring them to be more transparent about their hiring and we're ensuring
more oversight of these visa programs to reduce fraud and abuse. A little
sunshine will go a long way to help the American worker."
Provisions of the Durbin-Grassley bill would change existing law in the
following ways:
Currently, the H-1B visa program is criticized for failing to protect
American workers.
· Under current law, only employers that employ H-1B visa holders as a
large percentage of their U.S. workforce are required to pledge that they
have attempted to find American workers before bringing in foreign workers.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would require all employers seeking to hire an H-
1B visa holder to pledge that they have made a good-faith effort to hire
American workers first and that the H-1B visa holder will not displace an
American worker.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would require that before an employer may
submit an H-1B application, the employer must first advertise the job
opening for 30 days on a Department of Labor (DOL) website. DOL would also
be required to post summaries of all H-1B applications on its website.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would require that H-1B employers may not
advertise a job as available only for H-1B visa holders or recruit only H-1B
visa holders for a job.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would prohibit employers from hiring H-1B
employees who are then outsourced to other companies. This is a method that
some companies use to evade restrictions on hiring H-1Bs.
Currently, so-called “job shops” hire large numbers of foreign workers on
H-1B visas for short time periods to train and then outsource these workers
offshore.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would prohibit companies from hiring H-1B
employees if they employ more than 50 people and more than 50% of their
employees are H-1B visa holders.
Currently, the Department of Labor lacks sufficient oversight and
investigative authority over the H-1B program.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would give DOL the ability to conduct random
audits of any company that uses the H-1B program, and would require DOL to
conduct annual audits of companies with more than 100 employees that have 15
% or more of those workers on H-1B visas.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would give DOL authority to review employers’
H-1B applications for “clear indicators of fraud or misrepresentation of
material fact.” Currently, DOL is only authorized to review applications
for “completeness and obvious inaccuracies.”
The Durbin-Grassley bill would give DOL 14 days to review H-1B
applications, instead of the seven days currently permitted.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would give DOL more authority to conduct
employer investigations and streamline the investigative process by, among
other things, permitting DOL to initiate its own investigations and
eliminating the requirement that the DOL Secretary personally authorize an
investigation.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would require the Department of Homeland
Security (DHS) to share with DOL any information in H-1B visa applications
indicating that an H-1B employer is not complying with program requirements.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would strengthen existing whistleblower
protections for the H-1B program and establish whistleblower protections for
the L-1 program.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would authorize the hiring of 200 additional
DOL employees to administer, oversee, investigate and enforce the H-1B
program.
Currently, the H-1B and L-1 visa programs are criticized for making it
possible for companies to hire foreign workers at lower wages and with fewer
rights than Americans, in turn creating incentives for companies to avoid
hiring Americans.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would require H-1B and L-1 employers to pay
employees the prevailing wage to ensure employers are not undercutting
American workers by paying substandard wages to foreign workers.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would require the government to provide H-1B
visa holders with information about their rights.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would require H-1B employers to provide an H-1B
employee’s immigration documents to the employee upon request.
Under current law, experts argue that employers can use the L-1 program to
evade restrictions on the H-1B program because the L-1 program does not have
an annual cap and does not include protections for American workers. As a
result, efforts to reform the H-1B program are unlikely to be successful if
the L-1 program is not reformed at the same time.
· The Durbin-Grassley bill would limit issuance of L-1 visas for
employees of a “new facility” to an initial period of 12 months, which can
be extended after the employer demonstrates that the new facility is
legitimate.
· The Durbin-Grassley bill would prohibit so-called “blanket petitions
” for L-1 visas, requiring employers to submit a separate application for
each L-1 visa.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would prohibit the outplacement of L-1 visa
holders.
The Durbin-Grassley bill would establish a process for DOL to
investigate, audit and penalize L-1 employers. |
y**********n
发帖数: 422 | 2 格老其实就是反移民，无论合法还是非法。 合法移民不能拿违法来说事，就提议用新
法律来限制他们。
很多公司现在是支持工作签证但对绿卡是有选则支持，因为的确麻烦。 他的提议能过
，新移民找工作就更难了。 |
l****c
发帖数: 838 | 3 If these measured were implemented earlier, we do not have to wait today.
H1B should only be used by people that got degree in US |
a***g
发帖数: 2402 | 4 再说一次，格老这个玩法是要把美国彻底玩残。看看前两天跟奥巴马要工作的那个
Darin Wedel,turn down 了4个offer. 把h1b的路给堵死，又雇不到合适的美国人，这
些公司怎么开工？只好逃离美国了，美国人就更找不到工作。
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【在 w*******t 的大作中提到】
: 什么情况?
: 俺看了一下,这个bill是2007年4月release的,5年后老格还在喊...而且OPT都出来了,
: youtube也整. 明白人给说说G-D的bill现在是什么情况?
: --------
: WASHINGTON, DC - U.S. Senators Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Dick Durbin (D-IL)
: introduced "The H-1B and L-1 Visa Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act of 2007"
: last week to overhaul the H-1B and L-1 visa programs to give priority to
: American workers and crack down on unscrupulous employers who deprive
: qualified Americans of high-skill jobs.
: The H-1B visa program allows American companies and universities to employ
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p***s
发帖数: 584 | 5 头一次听说美国缺了每年6万个外国劳工，就彻底残了。太看得起自己了。
这次看格老的架势，要么3012跟H1b改革一起过，要么一个不过。Brown上周跟共和党领
袖Mitch McCornell谈被Grassley hold的Irish法案，想争取支持。结果Mitch告诉他只
要Grassley同意，他就没问题。现在看来Grassley hold的能量是很大的，HR3012用了
rule 14还是一点动静没有，少数党领袖也不敢挫他面子。
【在 a***g 的大作中提到】
: 再说一次，格老这个玩法是要把美国彻底玩残。看看前两天跟奥巴马要工作的那个
: Darin Wedel,turn down 了4个offer. 把h1b的路给堵死，又雇不到合适的美国人，这
: 些公司怎么开工？只好逃离美国了，美国人就更找不到工作。
:
: )
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m***s
发帖数: 1094 | 6
看了看这个人的事情，既然他非本地的工作不找，那出去面试拿offer干嘛？他唯一拿
出来说事的就是他被TI laid off的时候公司里有拿H1B的人，这也太站不住脚了点吧：
公司里有拿H1B的会计给他让位置他也干不了啊？就算拿H1B的跟他同是工程师，那还得
看各自干的是什么能不能互换的啊..
【在 a***g 的大作中提到】
: 再说一次，格老这个玩法是要把美国彻底玩残。看看前两天跟奥巴马要工作的那个
: Darin Wedel,turn down 了4个offer. 把h1b的路给堵死，又雇不到合适的美国人，这
: 些公司怎么开工？只好逃离美国了，美国人就更找不到工作。
:
: )
|
P****Y
发帖数: 614 | 7 这死老头子就是中部典型的白人狭隘心理。 中部表面白人nice，其实谷子里面tmd最看
不顺眼你们外国人在这里买房买车过日子。但是他们那些猪脑袋也没办法
【在 y**********n 的大作中提到】
: 格老其实就是反移民，无论合法还是非法。 合法移民不能拿违法来说事，就提议用新
: 法律来限制他们。
: 很多公司现在是支持工作签证但对绿卡是有选则支持，因为的确麻烦。 他的提议能过
: ，新移民找工作就更难了。
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s*******l
发帖数: 3691 | 8 真不知道有啥工作是美国人干不了的，都是些虚假招聘广告，大家心知肚明
【在 m***s 的大作中提到】
:
: 看了看这个人的事情，既然他非本地的工作不找，那出去面试拿offer干嘛？他唯一拿
: 出来说事的就是他被TI laid off的时候公司里有拿H1B的人，这也太站不住脚了点吧：
: 公司里有拿H1B的会计给他让位置他也干不了啊？就算拿H1B的跟他同是工程师，那还得
: 看各自干的是什么能不能互换的啊..
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x***y
发帖数: 830 | 9
大势上最后大家都要和亚洲的苦逼工程师看齐。逆势的话今天的欧洲就是明天的美国。
反正百足之虫，死而不僵，我们这辈人混吃等死可以撑到退休。让娃学好中文，提前最
好准备好跳船是正经
【在 s*******l 的大作中提到】
: 真不知道有啥工作是美国人干不了的，都是些虚假招聘广告，大家心知肚明
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r*******8
发帖数: 449 | 10 你这个思路在经济好的时候可行.上次去看了一个招聘会,工程师的薪水都到了entry
level都有好多中年工程师在排队. 这个经济下怎么可能找不到合适的美国人? 除非那
个工作招聘是专人订做的.
其实大家都知道好多h1和绿卡广告的目的就是走程序,明显的藐视法律,和abuse H1一个
道理.
【在 a***g 的大作中提到】
: 再说一次，格老这个玩法是要把美国彻底玩残。看看前两天跟奥巴马要工作的那个
: Darin Wedel,turn down 了4个offer. 把h1b的路给堵死，又雇不到合适的美国人，这
: 些公司怎么开工？只好逃离美国了，美国人就更找不到工作。
:
: )
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p***s
发帖数: 584 | 11 严查H1B对老中不会有影响，因为老中都是货真价实。只有造假的烙印会被干掉，which
能大量减少backlog。我个人支持这个提案。
【在 r*******8 的大作中提到】
: 你这个思路在经济好的时候可行.上次去看了一个招聘会,工程师的薪水都到了entry
: level都有好多中年工程师在排队. 这个经济下怎么可能找不到合适的美国人? 除非那
: 个工作招聘是专人订做的.
: 其实大家都知道好多h1和绿卡广告的目的就是走程序,明显的藐视法律,和abuse H1一个
: 道理.
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p***s
发帖数: 584 | 12 另外同意绿卡广告就是搞笑的，把你的knowledge/skill拿给律师，一条条写到广告上
，根本就是量身定做，这点Grassley也很清楚，在他眼里同样属于abuse。
【在 r*******8 的大作中提到】
: 你这个思路在经济好的时候可行.上次去看了一个招聘会,工程师的薪水都到了entry
: level都有好多中年工程师在排队. 这个经济下怎么可能找不到合适的美国人? 除非那
: 个工作招聘是专人订做的.
: 其实大家都知道好多h1和绿卡广告的目的就是走程序,明显的藐视法律,和abuse H1一个
: 道理.
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q********c
发帖数: 1774 | 13 其实移民本身就是搞笑，我就不信你回中国就活不下去. |
s*******l
发帖数: 3691 | 14 老中的H1B也没几个真的，还是那句话，有啥工作是美国人干不了的？ |
a***x
发帖数: 26368 | 15 说相声
【在 s*******l 的大作中提到】
: 老中的H1B也没几个真的，还是那句话，有啥工作是美国人干不了的？
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w*******t
发帖数: 2459 | 16 Yes, they can!
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: 说相声
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a***x
发帖数: 26368 | 17 叫他们出来跟德刚比比！
【在 w*******t 的大作中提到】
: Yes, they can!
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B*****g
发帖数: 34098 | 18 要说英文
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: 叫他们出来跟德刚比比！
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a***x
发帖数: 26368 | 19 唉。俺们这的todai居然关门了。唉。
【在 B*****g 的大作中提到】
: 要说英文
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l****c
发帖数: 838 | 20 At least most Chinese get MS or PHD degrees from US universities.
Many Indians came directly with a 3-year "bachelor" degree.
You can find such questions on trackitt.
No, that is an associate degree at best.
【在 r*******8 的大作中提到】
: 你这个思路在经济好的时候可行.上次去看了一个招聘会,工程师的薪水都到了entry
: level都有好多中年工程师在排队. 这个经济下怎么可能找不到合适的美国人? 除非那
: 个工作招聘是专人订做的.
: 其实大家都知道好多h1和绿卡广告的目的就是走程序,明显的藐视法律,和abuse H1一个
: 道理.
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r*******8
发帖数: 449 | 21 老印abuse H1是严重的事实,这个也是我对3012不爽的最大原因,我们也是被老印拖累的
,现在为他们背书当然不乐意.
其实对485 pending的老印的H1进行复查是个好思路,既解决backlog,又警世造假者.就是不
知道这个钱谁出.比如对造假者罚款用来查更多的造假者???
呵呵.
【在 l****c 的大作中提到】
: At least most Chinese get MS or PHD degrees from US universities.
: Many Indians came directly with a 3-year "bachelor" degree.
: You can find such questions on trackitt.
: No, that is an associate degree at best.
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a*******d
发帖数: 4846 | 22 每份H1B申请都要缴纳一笔$500的anti-fraud的费用的，每年这经费个就几千万美元。
经年累月，都几个亿了，想要查，经费充足的很。
就是不
【在 r*******8 的大作中提到】
: 老印abuse H1是严重的事实,这个也是我对3012不爽的最大原因,我们也是被老印拖累的
: ,现在为他们背书当然不乐意.
: 其实对485 pending的老印的H1进行复查是个好思路,既解决backlog,又警世造假者.就是不
: 知道这个钱谁出.比如对造假者罚款用来查更多的造假者???
: 呵呵.
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n**e
发帖数: 180 | 23 NIU能不能搞个项目，来推动严查ICC，H1B作假。 |
g*****n
发帖数: 2588 | 24 可以放弃游说老格了。或者设法绕过他，绕不过就放弃3012，查老印造假。 |
