n**e 发帖数: 180 | 1 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate
* There was an important development for this bill in the Senate
yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1)
eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2)
proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3)
proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions
to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa
programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such
proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and
reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
H.R. 3012 remains in tact. Reportedly, survivality of H.R. 3012 itself is
considered dubious. |
B*****g 发帖数: 34098 | 2 15%?这b娶了老中外F?
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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a***x 发帖数: 26368 | 3 好啊
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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l****n 发帖数: 3081 | 5 老印吐血,白给咱干了.
【在 N*******r 的大作中提到】 : 15% 对目前的老中倒也可以接受,是吧?
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l****r 发帖数: 93 | 6 from 7 % to 15%, 对中国申请人有好处吧。印度前进会很慢,中国前进可能跟3012过
了差不多,可能会更好一点呢。 |
s*****m 发帖数: 2024 | 7 赞
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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l****r 发帖数: 93 | 8 同意这个。最利大的是中国。这下库存可能很快就清空了
【在 l****n 的大作中提到】 : 老印吐血,白给咱干了.
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y***n 发帖数: 6764 | 9 bill being dead or not, Grassley knows what he is doing ...
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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N*******r 发帖数: 1098 | 10 不过2010以后的老中也是不少,会大于10K 每年。
anyway, 15% 也比7% 好过一倍。 |
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y***n 发帖数: 6764 | 11 对于大多数议员来说,(2)和(4)没什么不可以接受的。
(1)和(3)不是捅了西裔/民主党的要害了么?
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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I****8 发帖数: 988 | 12 我喜欢
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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t**c 发帖数: 7480 | 13 最后妥协一下,都到15%,嘿嘿
【在 y***n 的大作中提到】 : 对于大多数议员来说,(2)和(4)没什么不可以接受的。 : (1)和(3)不是捅了西裔/民主党的要害了么? : : 1) : visa : the
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y***n 发帖数: 6764 | 14 归根到底,就是几方大佬怎么扯皮了:
(1)肯定要改,maybe fb 7% -> 10%?
(2) 肯定要改,maybe eb 7% -> 30%?
(3) 不知道,可能会缩小规模
(4)应该没人反对
+ Irish E3,etc.
the bill could still survive ...
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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t**c 发帖数: 7480 | 15 那很好啊
【在 y***n 的大作中提到】 : 归根到底,就是几方大佬怎么扯皮了: : (1)肯定要改,maybe fb 7% -> 10%? : (2) 肯定要改,maybe eb 7% -> 30%? : (3) 不知道,可能会缩小规模 : (4)应该没人反对 : + Irish E3,etc. : the bill could still survive ... : : 1) : visa
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l****r 发帖数: 93 | 16 from Helsinki's post:
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/EB23/31380933.html
if we look at perm ratio, I:C = 1:6 for 07 (Q2,Q3), 1:5 for 08, 1:7 for 09.
the best ratio is 1:6, excluding all other countries, china can only take 1/
7 ~ 14%. this # has to be lower because of applicants from ROW.
15% per country cap is better than 3012. it also does not violate the
original principal of diversity when this immigration limit was introduced
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l****r 发帖数: 93 | 17 correction, best is 1:5, and if no ROW, china takes 1/6 ~ 17% but this is
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t**c 发帖数: 7480 | 18 这种bill烙印会吐血么?然后从全力游说支持3012华丽转身变为游说反对,嘿嘿
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【在 l****r 的大作中提到】 : from Helsinki's post: : http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/EB23/31380933.html : if we look at perm ratio, I:C = 1:6 for 07 (Q2,Q3), 1:5 for 08, 1:7 for 09. : the best ratio is 1:6, excluding all other countries, china can only take 1/ : 7 ~ 14%. this # has to be lower because of applicants from ROW. : 15% per country cap is better than 3012. it also does not violate the : original principal of diversity when this immigration limit was introduced : in the 50s or 60s
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N*******r 发帖数: 1098 | 19 不过2010以后的老中也是不少,会大于10K 每年。
anyway, 15% 也比7% 好过一倍。 |
l****r 发帖数: 93 | 20 haha. they might never have thought of this turn
【在 t**c 的大作中提到】 : 这种bill烙印会吐血么?然后从全力游说支持3012华丽转身变为游说反对,嘿嘿 : : 1/
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s*****m 发帖数: 2024 | 21 哈哈
【在 l****r 的大作中提到】 : haha. they might never have thought of this turn
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t**c 发帖数: 7480 | 22 笑啥?
【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】 : 哈哈
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N*******r 发帖数: 1098 | 23 不过2010以后的老中也是不少,会大于10K 每年。
anyway, 15% 也比7% 好过一倍。 |
B*****g 发帖数: 34098 | 24 俺都觉得不止一倍,EB2C马上就C了。
【在 N*******r 的大作中提到】 : 不过2010以后的老中也是不少,会大于10K 每年。 : anyway, 15% 也比7% 好过一倍。
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t**c 发帖数: 7480 | 25 C好C好
【在 B*****g 的大作中提到】 : 俺都觉得不止一倍,EB2C马上就C了。
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k********e 发帖数: 340 | 26 太好了, 是不是就是把阿三从60%降到15%了? 爽死我了!
我们也加倍了, 太好了! 这样我们2年内是不是可以全C? |
c**2 发帖数: 8496 | 27 (1) will kill the bill. Mexican and Dominican American voters cannot allow
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t**c 发帖数: 7480 | 28 商量一下,到12%
【在 c**2 的大作中提到】 : (1) will kill the bill. Mexican and Dominican American voters cannot allow : that.
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a***x 发帖数: 26368 | 29 乌拉,这波的咸带鱼更大!
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【在 l****r 的大作中提到】 : from Helsinki's post: : http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/EB23/31380933.html : if we look at perm ratio, I:C = 1:6 for 07 (Q2,Q3), 1:5 for 08, 1:7 for 09. : the best ratio is 1:6, excluding all other countries, china can only take 1/ : 7 ~ 14%. this # has to be lower because of applicants from ROW. : 15% per country cap is better than 3012. it also does not violate the : original principal of diversity when this immigration limit was introduced : in the 50s or 60s
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n**e 发帖数: 180 | 30 同意. 少了第一条,民主党还能支持?
【在 c**2 的大作中提到】 : (1) will kill the bill. Mexican and Dominican American voters cannot allow : that.
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a***x 发帖数: 26368 | 31 no是
【在 k********e 的大作中提到】 : 太好了, 是不是就是把阿三从60%降到15%了? 爽死我了! : 我们也加倍了, 太好了! 这样我们2年内是不是可以全C?
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l***g 发帖数: 1035 | 33 please credit the source of the information...
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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d*********y 发帖数: 748 | 34 这个法案基本上已经死了。
看看Grassley的amendment:
1)西裔民主党会反对
2)烙印会反对
3)民主党会反对
4)hi-tech公司会反对
很多人认为第四项没人会反对。我以前说过,Grassley对H1B的reform的要求是优先招
美国人,就是采取走PERM类似的程序。这一条别说民主党会反对,就是共和党也会反对
。不光high-tech如微软,intel,google等这块,Wall Street那帮金融大鳄,学术界那
帮政府智囊都会反对。Grassley一个人在对抗整个美国的上层精英社会。他就是林肯华
盛顿转世也没用。
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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b***k 发帖数: 2829 | 35 我觉的也是对中国好。 :)
可是不移除PER COUNTRY LIMIT的话, 是违反这个法案提出的前提: 技术移民关你从
那个国家来。。。 我觉得3012要是这样改的话, 没法通过辩论。
【在 l****r 的大作中提到】 : from 7 % to 15%, 对中国申请人有好处吧。印度前进会很慢,中国前进可能跟3012过 : 了差不多,可能会更好一点呢。
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g*****g 发帖数: 34805 | 36 15%的话,也不能说对老印没好处。但对老中收益最大,几年后
老中就进入ROW行列Current,老印自己熬了。
【在 N*******r 的大作中提到】 : 15% 对目前的老中倒也可以接受,是吧?
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g*****g 发帖数: 34805 | 37 也不会,别忘了现在是7%,15%对他们也是利好,只不过没有85%那么
爽。
【在 t**c 的大作中提到】 : 这种bill烙印会吐血么?然后从全力游说支持3012华丽转身变为游说反对,嘿嘿 : : 1/
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y***n 发帖数: 6764 | 38 应该是,如果EB 从 7% -> 15%的话。
而且这么一来,版上的EB3C们也没意见了吧
【在 k********e 的大作中提到】 : 太好了, 是不是就是把阿三从60%降到15%了? 爽死我了! : 我们也加倍了, 太好了! 这样我们2年内是不是可以全C?
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t**c 发帖数: 7480 | 39 对他们来说,快不了多少吧
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : 也不会,别忘了现在是7%,15%对他们也是利好,只不过没有85%那么 : 爽。
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a***x 发帖数: 26368 | 40 利啥啊。so分的少了
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : 也不会,别忘了现在是7%,15%对他们也是利好,只不过没有85%那么 : 爽。
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c*******o 发帖数: 1357 | 43 4的具体是啥?
很多湾区小公司外籍员工占总员工百分比可是很高的
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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t**c 发帖数: 7480 | 44 然
【在 l****n 的大作中提到】 : 只要不能捆绑老中,老印就亏了.
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t**c 发帖数: 7480 | 45 然
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】 : 利啥啊。so分的少了
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S*******r 发帖数: 11017 | 46 Grassley的修正案真TMD照顾老中啊
如果,我是说如果,要是成了的话,比原版3012对老中有利多了。
但是我同意同志们说的
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g*****g 发帖数: 34805 | 47 hmm, 你说的对。但SO不是纯以排期论吗?那样不是跟现在完全
没区别。
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】 : 利啥啊。so分的少了
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c*******o 发帖数: 1357 | 48 对,我也是这个观点,第四条其实很有深意的
【在 d*********y 的大作中提到】 : 这个法案基本上已经死了。 : 看看Grassley的amendment: : 1)西裔民主党会反对 : 2)烙印会反对 : 3)民主党会反对 : 4)hi-tech公司会反对 : 很多人认为第四项没人会反对。我以前说过,Grassley对H1B的reform的要求是优先招 : 美国人,就是采取走PERM类似的程序。这一条别说民主党会反对,就是共和党也会反对 : 。不光high-tech如微软,intel,google等这块,Wall Street那帮金融大鳄,学术界那 : 帮政府智囊都会反对。Grassley一个人在对抗整个美国的上层精英社会。他就是林肯华
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t**c 发帖数: 7480 | 49 SO原来100个,烙印拿90个;这个bill过了,SO剩40个,烙印拿36个,区别大了。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : hmm, 你说的对。但SO不是纯以排期论吗?那样不是跟现在完全 : 没区别。
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a***x 发帖数: 26368 | 50 但是总量小了因为15%有没有!
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : hmm, 你说的对。但SO不是纯以排期论吗?那样不是跟现在完全 : 没区别。
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t*******g 发帖数: 1518 | 52 为什么一个senator hold,整个法案就死了?
【在 d*********y 的大作中提到】 : 这个法案基本上已经死了。 : 看看Grassley的amendment: : 1)西裔民主党会反对 : 2)烙印会反对 : 3)民主党会反对 : 4)hi-tech公司会反对 : 很多人认为第四项没人会反对。我以前说过,Grassley对H1B的reform的要求是优先招 : 美国人,就是采取走PERM类似的程序。这一条别说民主党会反对,就是共和党也会反对 : 。不光high-tech如微软,intel,google等这块,Wall Street那帮金融大鳄,学术界那 : 帮政府智囊都会反对。Grassley一个人在对抗整个美国的上层精英社会。他就是林肯华
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p****p 发帖数: 347 | 53 这个好,15%够老中用了没?不会增加backlog就行。
卡主老印
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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b*****u 发帖数: 1339 | 54 老印再妥协下,20%,deal...
这样so也不剩几个大家也不用抢了,皆大欢喜。
【在 p****p 的大作中提到】 : 这个好,15%够老中用了没?不会增加backlog就行。 : 卡主老印 : : 1) : visa : the
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g***l 发帖数: 2753 | 55 俺本来就觉得老印的那个85%要求太过分了。不超过50%就可以了。
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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y***n 发帖数: 6764 | 56 85%只是前两年的临时举措,最终是不封顶
【在 g***l 的大作中提到】 : 俺本来就觉得老印的那个85%要求太过分了。不超过50%就可以了。 : : 1) : visa : the
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w*******t 发帖数: 2459 | 58 3012这个BILL从起头就是个dead meat. 等老引在美国有Irish的地位, 再搞还有戏...
弄出来个名目"Fairness"往美国空运老引...没有老中的帮趁(被破的),HOUSE都过不了.
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b******g 发帖数: 780 | 59 绝对不可能,反对就一点好处也捞不到,支持还能至少唠叨15%的好处。
【在 t**c 的大作中提到】 : 这种bill烙印会吐血么?然后从全力游说支持3012华丽转身变为游说反对,嘿嘿 : : 1/
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b******g 发帖数: 780 | 60 就像还价一样,他肯定上来一个狠的,然后大家扯皮到中间
【在 d*********y 的大作中提到】 : 这个法案基本上已经死了。 : 看看Grassley的amendment: : 1)西裔民主党会反对 : 2)烙印会反对 : 3)民主党会反对 : 4)hi-tech公司会反对 : 很多人认为第四项没人会反对。我以前说过,Grassley对H1B的reform的要求是优先招 : 美国人,就是采取走PERM类似的程序。这一条别说民主党会反对,就是共和党也会反对 : 。不光high-tech如微软,intel,google等这块,Wall Street那帮金融大鳄,学术界那 : 帮政府智囊都会反对。Grassley一个人在对抗整个美国的上层精英社会。他就是林肯华
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w****y 发帖数: 377 | 61 他这么改和新提出一个法案有什么区别?就算参议院过了也得被house干掉
【在 d*********y 的大作中提到】 : 这个法案基本上已经死了。 : 看看Grassley的amendment: : 1)西裔民主党会反对 : 2)烙印会反对 : 3)民主党会反对 : 4)hi-tech公司会反对 : 很多人认为第四项没人会反对。我以前说过,Grassley对H1B的reform的要求是优先招 : 美国人,就是采取走PERM类似的程序。这一条别说民主党会反对,就是共和党也会反对 : 。不光high-tech如微软,intel,google等这块,Wall Street那帮金融大鳄,学术界那 : 帮政府智囊都会反对。Grassley一个人在对抗整个美国的上层精英社会。他就是林肯华
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t*****r 发帖数: 277 | 62 这玩意什么时候能生效?
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visa
the
【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 12/16/2011: H.R. 3012 Nego Set-Back in the Senate : * There was an important development for this bill in the Senate : yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) : eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) : proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) : proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions : to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa : programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such : proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and : reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the
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c********t 发帖数: 1756 | 65 别担心,这明显是讨价还价的策略。一定要把价砍到脚脖子上。 |
s**u 发帖数: 247 | 66 From outsider point of view, this amendment is more fair than the original
one. The change from 7%->85%->gone is the fundamental changing on the
immigration system. If passed, what about the immigration lottery and so on?
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H******i 发帖数: 4704 | 67 够啦,15%一年就是五千多,一年半EB2都current了。
【在 p****p 的大作中提到】 : 这个好,15%够老中用了没?不会增加backlog就行。 : 卡主老印 : : 1) : visa : the
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