x**n
发帖数: 461 | 1 前几年是ajax突飞猛进的几年，几乎所有的web都从静态的文档变成了动态的，同时造
成了flash和silverlight的江河日下，现在html 5几乎可以完全取代flash了，用
silverlight的更是要自求多福。
当然，.net也没有闲着。相应ajax的流行，asp.net 和 asp.net mvc也完整地支持ajax
，虽然我对asp.net的那个傻B ajax 库极不敢冒。一开始，很多人试着用微软自己asp.
net mvc的一套client端进行编程，但是很快你会发现那些只是给一点不会web的人用的
，而你用asp.net mvc的原因之一就是你可以完全地控制你的客户端。而且现在Single
Page Application (SPA)的流行使得只用微软提供的客户端支持几乎成为不可能。
这也是为什么现在asp.net mvc 4 的 web api得到那么多developer拥护的原因。你可
以用你喜欢的任何javascript framework, 例如 backbone, ember, 或者就是用
knockoutJS。server端只负责提供数据，而且是完整的支持REST。大家开始迎接新时代
吧，纯javascript客户端，加上web api的服务器端，完美的解决方案。忘记flash和
silverlight吧。 |
k**n
发帖数: 3989 | 2 结论我同意, 中间论述太不严谨了
ajax
asp.
Single
【在 x**n 的大作中提到】
: 前几年是ajax突飞猛进的几年，几乎所有的web都从静态的文档变成了动态的，同时造
: 成了flash和silverlight的江河日下，现在html 5几乎可以完全取代flash了，用
: silverlight的更是要自求多福。
: 当然，.net也没有闲着。相应ajax的流行，asp.net 和 asp.net mvc也完整地支持ajax
: ，虽然我对asp.net的那个傻B ajax 库极不敢冒。一开始，很多人试着用微软自己asp.
: net mvc的一套client端进行编程，但是很快你会发现那些只是给一点不会web的人用的
: ，而你用asp.net mvc的原因之一就是你可以完全地控制你的客户端。而且现在Single
: Page Application (SPA)的流行使得只用微软提供的客户端支持几乎成为不可能。
: 这也是为什么现在asp.net mvc 4 的 web api得到那么多developer拥护的原因。你可
: 以用你喜欢的任何javascript framework, 例如 backbone, ember, 或者就是用
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H*******g
发帖数: 6997 | 3 为嘛总有人在说ASP.NET江河如下？说ASP.NET马上要被淘汰了？哦，这个不是针对LZ说
的哈。 |
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 4
That's only the thin web app. If you wanna do any kinda rich app
such as a stock chart app you'd wanna do it in flash, SL or even
Java Applet. Html/JS remains a joker in that area.
【在 x**n 的大作中提到】
: 前几年是ajax突飞猛进的几年，几乎所有的web都从静态的文档变成了动态的，同时造
: 成了flash和silverlight的江河日下，现在html 5几乎可以完全取代flash了，用
: silverlight的更是要自求多福。
: 当然，.net也没有闲着。相应ajax的流行，asp.net 和 asp.net mvc也完整地支持ajax
: ，虽然我对asp.net的那个傻B ajax 库极不敢冒。一开始，很多人试着用微软自己asp.
: net mvc的一套client端进行编程，但是很快你会发现那些只是给一点不会web的人用的
: ，而你用asp.net mvc的原因之一就是你可以完全地控制你的客户端。而且现在Single
: Page Application (SPA)的流行使得只用微软提供的客户端支持几乎成为不可能。
: 这也是为什么现在asp.net mvc 4 的 web api得到那么多developer拥护的原因。你可
: 以用你喜欢的任何javascript framework, 例如 backbone, ember, 或者就是用
|
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 5 True, the only issue is: at best 1 out of 100 websites needs such rich app.
And even that 1 is giving up to html5 partially. Good luck with your SL
skills. Soon it's like the skills to kill a dragon.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: That's only the thin web app. If you wanna do any kinda rich app
: such as a stock chart app you'd wanna do it in flash, SL or even
: Java Applet. Html/JS remains a joker in that area.
|
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 6
Yeah? Facebook is writing own app in native code on WP, Android
and iOS. So the world's leading web company is giving up on HTML5
on 3 occasions instantly. Why don't you tell Facebook to change
their mind if HTML is so great, smartass?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: True, the only issue is: at best 1 out of 100 websites needs such rich app.
: And even that 1 is giving up to html5 partially. Good luck with your SL
: skills. Soon it's like the skills to kill a dragon.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 7 Wake up, html5 is not designed for mobile to begin with. 80% of traffic
still come from desktop/laptop devices. A big enough pie for html5 to
survive. Android and iOS are taking nearly 95% of market, so java and
objective C are promising. wp, why do you even mention it? last time I
checked, even Bada has a bigger market share.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Yeah? Facebook is writing own app in native code on WP, Android
: and iOS. So the world's leading web company is giving up on HTML5
: on 3 occasions instantly. Why don't you tell Facebook to change
: their mind if HTML is so great, smartass?
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x**n
发帖数: 461 | 8 首先，这不是论文，也不是辩论，所以也不用严密的逻辑。
其次，不同意goodbug的100个应用中只有1个要rich client，现在大部分新的
application都需要rich client。但这些与Flash和Silverlight都一点关系没有，html
完全可以做几乎任何ui，以前html所缺失的是web socket, local storage之类的东西
，使得做rich client非常困难，现在谁还在用Silverlight，赶快想想后路吧。 |
n*w
发帖数: 3393 | 9 SignalR怎样？
html
【在 x**n 的大作中提到】
: 首先，这不是论文，也不是辩论，所以也不用严密的逻辑。
: 其次，不同意goodbug的100个应用中只有1个要rich client，现在大部分新的
: application都需要rich client。但这些与Flash和Silverlight都一点关系没有，html
: 完全可以做几乎任何ui，以前html所缺失的是web socket, local storage之类的东西
: ，使得做rich client非常困难，现在谁还在用Silverlight，赶快想想后路吧。
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x**n
发帖数: 461 | 10 如果你真的要写一个非常好的交互网站，signalr是非常好的工具，但是先计算一下
load，signalr现在支持大概1000个客户端。如果你不幸跟我一样在regulated的环境，
在再等等吧。
【在 n*w 的大作中提到】
: SignalR怎样？
:
: html
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 11 Pure html/js client is traditionally referred as thin client, as it doesn't
require any runtime download. At least that's why I meant.
html
【在 x**n 的大作中提到】
: 首先，这不是论文，也不是辩论，所以也不用严密的逻辑。
: 其次，不同意goodbug的100个应用中只有1个要rich client，现在大部分新的
: application都需要rich client。但这些与Flash和Silverlight都一点关系没有，html
: 完全可以做几乎任何ui，以前html所缺失的是web socket, local storage之类的东西
: ，使得做rich client非常困难，现在谁还在用Silverlight，赶快想想后路吧。
|
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 12
Yeah Bada, according to your typical "Android 8B revenue" research
right? HOHO. So html is not for mobile? Didn't you insist that HTML
could do what SL does? Now SL powers Windows Phone so why can't HTML
be used for mobile if it could do everything SL does? HOHO.
As for market share, what's the market share of HTML-powered WebOS
and ChromeOS in today's market? Tell me please. Show me the mighty
strength of HTML5. LOL.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Wake up, html5 is not designed for mobile to begin with. 80% of traffic
: still come from desktop/laptop devices. A big enough pie for html5 to
: survive. Android and iOS are taking nearly 95% of market, so java and
: objective C are promising. wp, why do you even mention it? last time I
: checked, even Bada has a bigger market share.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 13 HTML's home is for browser. PC/Mac still accounts 80%+ of web traffic. HTML5
has been extended to mobile platform where cross-platform is needed. But
that's not what it's intended in the first place. It's remarkable that it's
been used out of browser. But HTML5 is the evolution of HTML4, simple as
that. And what SL can do? Can it run without a runtime downloaded? Case
closed. As I said many times, talk to me when M$ OSD is using SL as their
main language, and not HTML/JS
And LOL, truth hurts.
http://www.slashgear.com/remember-bada-well-its-giving-windows-
Samsung’s bada platform may be less well known than Windows Phone, but it’
s still outselling Microsoft platform in worldwide smartphone sales. While
the big movement may be up at the iOS and Android end, bada’s 3-percent of
the worldwide market share in Q3 2012 is, according to the latest clutch of
stats from analysts Gartner, enough to eclipse Microsoft’s OS at 2.4-
percent.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Yeah Bada, according to your typical "Android 8B revenue" research
: right? HOHO. So html is not for mobile? Didn't you insist that HTML
: could do what SL does? Now SL powers Windows Phone so why can't HTML
: be used for mobile if it could do everything SL does? HOHO.
: As for market share, what's the market share of HTML-powered WebOS
: and ChromeOS in today's market? Tell me please. Show me the mighty
: strength of HTML5. LOL.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 14
I am NOT asking where HTML's home is. I'm asking you to deliver
the promise you made that HTML can do everything SL does. Now SL
is powering WP / RT / DESKTOP so I'm asking to show me where the
HTML counterpart is, and you kept on spinning. LOL
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: HTML's home is for browser. PC/Mac still accounts 80%+ of web traffic. HTML5
: has been extended to mobile platform where cross-platform is needed. But
: that's not what it's intended in the first place. It's remarkable that it's
: been used out of browser. But HTML5 is the evolution of HTML4, simple as
: that. And what SL can do? Can it run without a runtime downloaded? Case
: closed. As I said many times, talk to me when M$ OSD is using SL as their
: main language, and not HTML/JS
: And LOL, truth hurts.
: http://www.slashgear.com/remember-bada-well-its-giving-windows-
: Samsung’s bada platform may be less well known than Windows Phone, but it’
|
w*******j
发帖数: 70 | 15 I think this is a good post, mobile will be a big part for the future. for .
net developer, web service can provide support for any client side
application, no matter it is apple's or other devices. |
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 16 Where did I promise HTML/JS can deliver 100% of what SL does? Show me the
post please. You are too used to lying. And yep, SL never dies, it just
fades like VB.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: I am NOT asking where HTML's home is. I'm asking you to deliver
: the promise you made that HTML can do everything SL does. Now SL
: is powering WP / RT / DESKTOP so I'm asking to show me where the
: HTML counterpart is, and you kept on spinning. LOL
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B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 17 Not really, just with css3, js can implement very complex interactive
graphics. With new features like SVG and WebGL, the browser becomes a very
powerful visualization engine.In some way, the browser is becoming an OS
with well-defined standards.
People love html+css+js, because it is the Internet. It is open and people
really like to share what they have done (even if they don't like,
developers can still peek into their front-end resources). This is quite
different from the old, close, desktop app model.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: I am NOT asking where HTML's home is. I'm asking you to deliver
: the promise you made that HTML can do everything SL does. Now SL
: is powering WP / RT / DESKTOP so I'm asking to show me where the
: HTML counterpart is, and you kept on spinning. LOL
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 18 Google和W3C各方都在协同往HTML5里加东西，比如WebRTC，就可以做webcam了。
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: Not really, just with css3, js can implement very complex interactive
: graphics. With new features like SVG and WebGL, the browser becomes a very
: powerful visualization engine.In some way, the browser is becoming an OS
: with well-defined standards.
: People love html+css+js, because it is the Internet. It is open and people
: really like to share what they have done (even if they don't like,
: developers can still peek into their front-end resources). This is quite
: different from the old, close, desktop app model.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 19
So I take it as you finally are willing to admit H5/JS is no match
for what SL offers? I'm glad for a brief moment you are honest,
that is before your next spin at least. HOHO.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Where did I promise HTML/JS can deliver 100% of what SL does? Show me the
: post please. You are too used to lying. And yep, SL never dies, it just
: fades like VB.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 20
We've heard of such promise for years and it never materialized. You
don't mind a platform being close. You want it to be good and HTML5
is not good enough.
And it's impossible to be good b/c its cross-platform gene demands
it to be limited by the lowest common denominator platform, and
that's where Facebook finds themselves in. They wanted to write
everything in HTML and yet it works poorly on mobile devices so
they are forced to go back the native platform.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: Not really, just with css3, js can implement very complex interactive
: graphics. With new features like SVG and WebGL, the browser becomes a very
: powerful visualization engine.In some way, the browser is becoming an OS
: with well-defined standards.
: People love html+css+js, because it is the Internet. It is open and people
: really like to share what they have done (even if they don't like,
: developers can still peek into their front-end resources). This is quite
: different from the old, close, desktop app model.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 21 SL is on 0.3% of all websites, while Html/JS is at least 90%. And you still
talk about no match. LOL What are you smoking?
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: We've heard of such promise for years and it never materialized. You
: don't mind a platform being close. You want it to be good and HTML5
: is not good enough.
: And it's impossible to be good b/c its cross-platform gene demands
: it to be limited by the lowest common denominator platform, and
: that's where Facebook finds themselves in. They wanted to write
: everything in HTML and yet it works poorly on mobile devices so
: they are forced to go back the native platform.
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