w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 1 10年的Millenium比赛规模已经超过30多年的Ohio Star Ball，
今年16K的Entry。
两个比赛都比美国NATIONAL TITLE的USDSC大多了。 |
w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 2 刚刚看了Arunas/Katusha，Ricardo/Yulia, Andrew/Natalia，Victor/Hanna
做了连场表演，很赞，有兴趣的可以Youtube一下。 |
n*******1
发帖数: 1339 | |
a***e
发帖数: 2094 | 4 真的？ 讲讲为什么这个比赛人气这么旺？
entry多， 但是去参加pro 比赛的多吗？高水平的pro都去吗？
【在 w***5 的大作中提到】
: 10年的Millenium比赛规模已经超过30多年的Ohio Star Ball，
: 今年16K的Entry。
: 两个比赛都比美国NATIONAL TITLE的USDSC大多了。
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a***e
发帖数: 2094 | 5 wu175， 你讲讲吧。
【在 w***5 的大作中提到】
: 刚刚看了Arunas/Katusha，Ricardo/Yulia, Andrew/Natalia，Victor/Hanna
: 做了连场表演，很赞，有兴趣的可以Youtube一下。
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w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 6 看国标PRO-PRO的，在USDC，MANHATTAN，EMBASSY，EMERALD会看到最高水平
的选手，比如ARUNAS/KATUSHA，VICTOR/ANASTASIA，RICARDO/YULIA等等。
看美式的，在USDC，OHIO和MILLENNIUM可以看到最高水平的选手。
看表演舞蹈的，在OHIO, MILLENIUM, HERITAGE和USDC。
与OSB不同，MILLENIUM的场面华丽，PRO-AM舞蹈比赛参加者越来越多，表演舞蹈
的组织越来越精彩。在众多PRO-AM比赛中，MILLENIUM的水平应该是最突出的。
昨晚久别的KARINA也出场表演了。 |
w***5
发帖数: 8282 | |
w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 8 www.m2dance.com
【在 n*******1 的大作中提到】
: 全称是什么？没查到。给个link吧。
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a***e
发帖数: 2094 | 9 Interesting! I never know these.
why is Millennium so popular? Is the organizer a well known guy/lady?
Who did Karina partner to dance?
【在 w***5 的大作中提到】
: 看国标PRO-PRO的，在USDC，MANHATTAN，EMBASSY，EMERALD会看到最高水平
: 的选手，比如ARUNAS/KATUSHA，VICTOR/ANASTASIA，RICARDO/YULIA等等。
: 看美式的，在USDC，OHIO和MILLENNIUM可以看到最高水平的选手。
: 看表演舞蹈的，在OHIO, MILLENIUM, HERITAGE和USDC。
: 与OSB不同，MILLENIUM的场面华丽，PRO-AM舞蹈比赛参加者越来越多，表演舞蹈
: 的组织越来越精彩。在众多PRO-AM比赛中，MILLENIUM的水平应该是最突出的。
: 昨晚久别的KARINA也出场表演了。
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w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 10 capital!
Millenium是很大手笔的制作，很有规划，裁判够大牌，Donnie Burns，
Carmen等等都在做裁判，Shirley Ballas，Luca Barrichi一直在场边观战。
场面布景华丽，有设计师专门设计，每张椅子都被包装了。
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: Interesting! I never know these.
: why is Millennium so popular? Is the organizer a well known guy/lady?
: Who did Karina partner to dance?
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n*******1
发帖数: 1339 | 11 谢谢！网站做得不够好啊。
【在 w***5 的大作中提到】
: www.m2dance.com
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a***e
发帖数: 2094 | 12 可能收registration费也高啊。如果参赛人多的话，哪怕每人多５刀 （估计不止），
total也多出很多， 羊毛出在羊身上。
有时候我觉得competition很奇怪， 主办者召集一下， 大家蜂涌而至，什么３０ 或
５０ per dance， 一个人跳５dances， 就交１５０ 或２５０。 哪些pro－am跳个２
０，３０dances是常事。钱多了就能请名家来表演,来裁判，装饰也豪华。 大家还不知
道是自己出钱搞出来的。
我这种看法有道理么？
【在 w***5 的大作中提到】
: capital!
: Millenium是很大手笔的制作，很有规划，裁判够大牌，Donnie Burns，
: Carmen等等都在做裁判，Shirley Ballas，Luca Barrichi一直在场边观战。
: 场面布景华丽，有设计师专门设计，每张椅子都被包装了。
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s*********l
发帖数: 332 | 13 有道理。你阔以搞一过。
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: 可能收registration费也高啊。如果参赛人多的话，哪怕每人多５刀 （估计不止），
: total也多出很多， 羊毛出在羊身上。
: 有时候我觉得competition很奇怪， 主办者召集一下， 大家蜂涌而至，什么３０ 或
: ５０ per dance， 一个人跳５dances， 就交１５０ 或２５０。 哪些pro－am跳个２
: ０，３０dances是常事。钱多了就能请名家来表演,来裁判，装饰也豪华。 大家还不知
: 道是自己出钱搞出来的。
: 我这种看法有道理么？
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w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 14 Most websites are created similarly by DANCE ACCESS.
【在 n*******1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢！网站做得不够好啊。
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w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 15 Renting a large ballroom in a hotel will easily cost $50,000
for a week. Hopefully, you can find the answer.
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: 可能收registration费也高啊。如果参赛人多的话，哪怕每人多５刀 （估计不止），
: total也多出很多， 羊毛出在羊身上。
: 有时候我觉得competition很奇怪， 主办者召集一下， 大家蜂涌而至，什么３０ 或
: ５０ per dance， 一个人跳５dances， 就交１５０ 或２５０。 哪些pro－am跳个２
: ０，３０dances是常事。钱多了就能请名家来表演,来裁判，装饰也豪华。 大家还不知
: 道是自己出钱搞出来的。
: 我这种看法有道理么？
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a***e
发帖数: 2094 | 16 Say if the entry fee is 25 per dance, 50,000 / 25 = 2000 entries. You said
there are 16,000 entries this year. Even if there were 10,000 entries,
ballroom is only 1/5 of it. And my assumption of 25 per dance is way too low.
【在 w***5 的大作中提到】
: Renting a large ballroom in a hotel will easily cost $50,000
: for a week. Hopefully, you can find the answer.
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s*********l
发帖数: 332 | 17 There are other costs. They have to pay the judges and the performers, and
the advertising, too. However, they should still make money, or they need to
get the heck out of the business.
low.
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: Say if the entry fee is 25 per dance, 50,000 / 25 = 2000 entries. You said
: there are 16,000 entries this year. Even if there were 10,000 entries,
: ballroom is only 1/5 of it. And my assumption of 25 per dance is way too low.
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w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 18 D. BURN MBE要飞头等舱才请得动。
40刀per entry at millenium。 |
a***e
发帖数: 2094 | 19 I am not saying there are no other costs. That is not my point. I am just
saying ballroom rental is possibly less than 1/5 of the revenues.
Now, Wu175 said it's $40 per dance. Say it's 15000 entries.
15,000 x $40 = $600,000.
So ballroom cost is less than 10% of revenues. The competition brings people
to live in the hotel. The hotel definitely loves competitions. There is
definitely discount from the hotel to competition organizer.
Anyway, there is a big margin (90% of revenues) to cover costs like paying
judges and performers. Don't simply think cost for judges and performers are
just costs. These famous judges and performers are going to attract more
revenues for next year! Once on it, tt is a good cycle for the smart
organizer.
What are other costs? paying to music, MC, and a few staff people like deck
capitan, ticket sellers etc.. Some competitions have volunteers to collect
tickets at door and ushers. (Remember I volunteered for IDSF New York
competition!)
Don't forget the tickets! That is another big source of revenues. $55/person
on 2 big night sessions (friday night and saturday night) is standard
charge. There are other off-peak sessions that charges maybe 25/session? (8
such sessions: from tuesday through thursday, plus friday day session and
saturday day session). Then we have to estimate the audience number to be
able to put a revenue number. (e.g. $55 x 500 people x 2 nights = $55,000,
enough for ballroom rental!)
My ultimate point is: People (dancers and audience) simply don't realize
THEY THEMSELVES make the event possible, by paying a lot of money to the
event. The organizer 只需要召集组织一下. 大家只以为组织者厉害， 不知道自己其
实是真正的起作用的人.
"they should still make money, or they need to get the heck out of the
business" --- you are absolutely right. None of the competitions get out of
business. that means, they are making money!!
to
【在 s*********l 的大作中提到】
: There are other costs. They have to pay the judges and the performers, and
: the advertising, too. However, they should still make money, or they need to
: get the heck out of the business.
:
: low.
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w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 20 Are you a business major? What an analysis paper!
To clear what I said, that renting a ballroom will cost easily
$50,000. I didn't say the hotel at Millenium will cost $50,000.
I believe it will cost much more, possibly $120,000-150,000 because
it is a much better hotel. 5万刀搞个比赛在中小型酒店还可能。
我认识一个有志搞比赛的，搞了几年，每年赔几万-十几万刀，只好放弃了。
不过这个事业在国内到是有钱景。
just
people
is
paying
performers
are
more
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: I am not saying there are no other costs. That is not my point. I am just
: saying ballroom rental is possibly less than 1/5 of the revenues.
: Now, Wu175 said it's $40 per dance. Say it's 15000 entries.
: 15,000 x $40 = $600,000.
: So ballroom cost is less than 10% of revenues. The competition brings people
: to live in the hotel. The hotel definitely loves competitions. There is
: definitely discount from the hotel to competition organizer.
: Anyway, there is a big margin (90% of revenues) to cover costs like paying
: judges and performers. Don't simply think cost for judges and performers are
: just costs. These famous judges and performers are going to attract more
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a***e
发帖数: 2094 | 21 谢谢你看我的paper， 呵呵
【在 w***5 的大作中提到】
: Are you a business major? What an analysis paper!
: To clear what I said, that renting a ballroom will cost easily
: $50,000. I didn't say the hotel at Millenium will cost $50,000.
: I believe it will cost much more, possibly $120,000-150,000 because
: it is a much better hotel. 5万刀搞个比赛在中小型酒店还可能。
: 我认识一个有志搞比赛的，搞了几年，每年赔几万-十几万刀，只好放弃了。
: 不过这个事业在国内到是有钱景。
:
: just
: people
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P*****a
发帖数: 629 | 22 very simple reason, Millenium is Michael C's comp, he is a big shot. He is
also Paul's ex, ;).
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: Interesting! I never know these.
: why is Millennium so popular? Is the organizer a well known guy/lady?
: Who did Karina partner to dance?
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P*****a
发帖数: 629 | 23 he lives in OC now
【在 w***5 的大作中提到】
: D. BURN MBE要飞头等舱才请得动。
: 40刀per entry at millenium。
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P*****a
发帖数: 629 | 24 USDSC is just ABC's comp
【在 w***5 的大作中提到】
: 10年的Millenium比赛规模已经超过30多年的Ohio Star Ball，
: 今年16K的Entry。
: 两个比赛都比美国NATIONAL TITLE的USDSC大多了。
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P*****a
发帖数: 629 | 25 well, NDCA just kicked USA Dance out. Very bad, i really don't like too much
politics out there.
I don't think NDA can ever beat IDSF, maybe called WDSF now.
【在 w***5 的大作中提到】
: 基本上美国国标舞有两大阵营,比赛很多。大家可以看以下网站：
: 业余选手比赛
: http://www.usadance.org/dancesport/competition-calendar/
: 师生组比赛：
: http://www.ndca.org/events/calendar/
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a***e
发帖数: 2094 | 26 this is the kind of reason i was looking for. who's this michael. why is he
a big shot? you mean killick's ex?
【在 P*****a 的大作中提到】
: very simple reason, Millenium is Michael C's comp, he is a big shot. He is
: also Paul's ex, ;).
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P*****a
发帖数: 629 | 27 yes, Paul K
he
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: this is the kind of reason i was looking for. who's this michael. why is he
: a big shot? you mean killick's ex?
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a***e
发帖数: 2094 | 28 He used to do show dance. 但是他一直是这个身材吗？
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooeTgboVHYM
【在 P*****a 的大作中提到】
: very simple reason, Millenium is Michael C's comp, he is a big shot. He is
: also Paul's ex, ;).
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P*****a
发帖数: 629 | 29 you are mean, lol
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: He used to do show dance. 但是他一直是这个身材吗？
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooeTgboVHYM
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a***e
发帖数: 2094 | 30 i am not mean. 我想这是不是中年发福了， 如果一直是这个身材， 那怎么拿那些
showdance， 或者carabet欧洲冠军。 也许这种dance， 男的就是不需要太多dance
movement， 只要身强力壮，能把partner毫不费力地扔来甩去就可以了。 （当然，不
是说这是件简单的活儿。）
【在 P*****a 的大作中提到】
: you are mean, lol
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P*****a
发帖数: 629 | 31 you are most likely correct!
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: i am not mean. 我想这是不是中年发福了， 如果一直是这个身材， 那怎么拿那些
: showdance， 或者carabet欧洲冠军。 也许这种dance， 男的就是不需要太多dance
: movement， 只要身强力壮，能把partner毫不费力地扔来甩去就可以了。 （当然，不
: 是说这是件简单的活儿。）
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w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 32 还是你的信息量大。
【在 P*****a 的大作中提到】
: very simple reason, Millenium is Michael C's comp, he is a big shot. He is
: also Paul's ex, ;).
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w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 33 象的鼻子和耳朵的较量，都很重要。
much
【在 P*****a 的大作中提到】
: well, NDCA just kicked USA Dance out. Very bad, i really don't like too much
: politics out there.
: I don't think NDA can ever beat IDSF, maybe called WDSF now.
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w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 34 学会接受不完美吧。
【在 P*****a 的大作中提到】
: you are mean, lol
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a***e
发帖数: 2094 | 35 you mean donnie burns lives in orange county now?!
【在 P*****a 的大作中提到】
: he lives in OC now
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w***5
发帖数: 8282 | |
