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Cycling版 - Lance Armstrong: Enough is enough, won't fight doping charges
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据说Armstrong考虑承认嗑药胳膊壮今天正式的门清了
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i*********5
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i*********5
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Lance Armstong's Statement of August 23, 2012
http://lancearmstrong.com/news-events/lance-armstongs-statement
i*********5
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You are still my hero, Lance! I'm so happy that I was there on Champs-É
lysées witnessing your 7th TdF title win!
i*********5
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"Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of
the circumstances. I will commit myself to the work I began before ever
winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected
by cancer, especially those in underserved communities. This October, my
Foundation will celebrate 15 years of service to cancer survivors and the
milestone of raising nearly $500 million. We have a lot of work to do and I'
m looking forward to an end to this pointless distraction. I have a
responsibility to all those who have stepped forward to devote their time
and energy to the cancer cause. I will not stop fighting for that mission.
Going forward, I am going to devote myself to raising my five beautiful (and
energetic) kids, fighting cancer, and attempting to be the fittest 40-year
old on the planet."
r******s
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I don't quit understand, he was convicted because he stopped fighting back?

【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/story/2012-08-23/Armstro
z*********n
发帖数: 94654
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婉转一点的认罪说法而已

【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
: I don't quit understand, he was convicted because he stopped fighting back?
G**Y
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搞体育的,美国的,有不用药的吗?

【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/story/2012-08-23/Armstro
G**Y
发帖数: 33224
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你看看这圈里能有干净的人吗?
from ny times,
”Q. When and if Armstrong is stripped of his Tour titles, who are the
official winners?
A. Technically, the second-place riders would move into the top spot,
replacing Armstrong as the official winner. But you never know how A.S.O.,
the company that runs the Tour, will handle it. (Bjarne Riis admitted to
doping when he won the 1996 Tour, but it was outside the eight-year statute
of limitations. He is still listed as the 1996 Tour winner on the Tour’s
Web site.)
In 1999, Armstrong’s first Tour victory, Alex Zulle of Switzerland finished
second. In 2000, 2001 and 2003, Germany’s Jan Ullrich was the runner-up. (
He later served a doping ban for his involvement in the Operation Puerto
blood-doping ring, but that ban did not begin until 2005.) In 2002, Joseba
Beloki of Spain was second. In 2004, Andreas Kloden of Germany was second. (
He also was connected to a scandal regarding blood doping at the Freiburg
University Clinic before the 2006 Tour.) In 2005, Ivan Basso of Italy
finished second. (He served a two-year ban in 2007 and 2008 after admitting
that he “attempted doping,” although he denied ever doping.)


【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
: I don't quit understand, he was convicted because he stopped fighting back?
w********6
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可笑的是,即便胳膊壮被取消title,候补的估计都是dopers,在那个年代,有不嗑药
的在前几名么?
p********r
发帖数: 3799
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USADA这么作,其实另一个躺着也中枪的是TDF和UCI本身。lance amstrong那个时代,
哪个没有doping过。lance就算是被stripped title, 想找个人來接这个title都找不到
。TDF干脆把90到2007年的所有title 都stripped掉算了,这样大家都消停了。
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看洋狗的虚伪气质据说Armstrong是被Hincapie揭发了
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p********r
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"the US anti-doping agency doesn’t actually have the power to strip him of
his 7 titles. It’s down to the Tour de France officials and the
International cycling union, so for now at least he’s still the all-time
TDF champion."
p********r
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okay, now the war isbetween USADA and UCI
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/UCI-asks-USADA-to-explain-
每一次看到USADA这个东西我就搓火. 每年花taxpayer的几个million 就在这种case上
,真是吃饱了.
r******s
发帖数: 3662
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没有干净的人,难道要把这个项目整个取消了?。。。
LA这件事上,好像所有证据都是人证吧?他的尿检血检好像就抓到过一次类固醇,作为
整个自行车界被抽血采尿最多的人来说,已经很不容易了。

statute

【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 你看看这圈里能有干净的人吗?
: from ny times,
: ”Q. When and if Armstrong is stripped of his Tour titles, who are the
: official winners?
: A. Technically, the second-place riders would move into the top spot,
: replacing Armstrong as the official winner. But you never know how A.S.O.,
: the company that runs the Tour, will handle it. (Bjarne Riis admitted to
: doping when he won the 1996 Tour, but it was outside the eight-year statute
: of limitations. He is still listed as the 1996 Tour winner on the Tour’s
: Web site.)

r******s
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呵呵,是挺搞笑的,就跟哪天美国政府出来宣布剥夺胡锦涛国家主席职位一样无厘头。

【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: okay, now the war isbetween USADA and UCI
: http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/UCI-asks-USADA-to-explain-
: 每一次看到USADA这个东西我就搓火. 每年花taxpayer的几个million 就在这种case上
: ,真是吃饱了.

i*********5
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LOL

【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵,是挺搞笑的,就跟哪天美国政府出来宣布剥夺胡锦涛国家主席职位一样无厘头。
R*****s
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TdF干脆改下规则, 允许大家自由doping, 就没事了.....

【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: USADA这么作,其实另一个躺着也中枪的是TDF和UCI本身。lance amstrong那个时代,
: 哪个没有doping过。lance就算是被stripped title, 想找个人來接这个title都找不到
: 。TDF干脆把90到2007年的所有title 都stripped掉算了,这样大家都消停了。

f****l
发帖数: 5514
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这样会死人的...

【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: TdF干脆改下规则, 允许大家自由doping, 就没事了.....
R*****s
发帖数: 41236
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玩TdF的, 估计没有怕死的....

【在 f****l 的大作中提到】
: 这样会死人的...
c*******r
发帖数: 13580
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基本可以把"美国的"去掉

【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 搞体育的,美国的,有不用药的吗?
c*******r
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USADA is a government agency? fuck. I don't give a fuck that the athletes
dope. it's their life and it's their own choices.

【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: okay, now the war isbetween USADA and UCI
: http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/UCI-asks-USADA-to-explain-
: 每一次看到USADA这个东西我就搓火. 每年花taxpayer的几个million 就在这种case上
: ,真是吃饱了.

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自行车这项运动真有趣,就像中国足球Re: Lance Armstrong Wins SuperFrog Triathlon (转载)
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c*******r
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that's what happened to baseball in olympics.

【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
: 没有干净的人,难道要把这个项目整个取消了?。。。
: LA这件事上,好像所有证据都是人证吧?他的尿检血检好像就抓到过一次类固醇,作为
: 整个自行车界被抽血采尿最多的人来说,已经很不容易了。
:
: statute

p********y
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But it is you tax payer's money fund it...

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: USADA is a government agency? fuck. I don't give a fuck that the athletes
: dope. it's their life and it's their own choices.

c*******r
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so be it. they choose to die and they are adults

【在 f****l 的大作中提到】
: 这样会死人的...
c*******r
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that's why I am cursing. on a second thought, we are spending trillions of
dollars on the wars, oh well. this country is fucked.

【在 p********y 的大作中提到】
: But it is you tax payer's money fund it...
i*********5
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Yup! You are paying the bills! Millions of $$$$$$$$!

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: USADA is a government agency? fuck. I don't give a fuck that the athletes
: dope. it's their life and it's their own choices.

f****l
发帖数: 5514
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问题在于如果放任不管的话,比赛就会变成药物开发公司的军备竞赛了. 看谁能研发出
最有效的兴奋剂了. 那样奖牌最后应该颁给幕后的chemist~
&运动员技术也变得次要了, 主要在于胆子大不大了,怕不怕死了

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: so be it. they choose to die and they are adults
c*******r
发帖数: 13580
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反正现状已经是这样了。运动员已经成了pharmacutical公司的活体实验品了

【在 f****l 的大作中提到】
: 问题在于如果放任不管的话,比赛就会变成药物开发公司的军备竞赛了. 看谁能研发出
: 最有效的兴奋剂了. 那样奖牌最后应该颁给幕后的chemist~
: &运动员技术也变得次要了, 主要在于胆子大不大了,怕不怕死了

R*****s
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的确是的, 所以其实USADA的人这么玩命坚持查下去,
可能也是因为他自己信仰的道德.....
至于他们背后有没有什么黑幕, 我们普通人就不知道了....
我个人的感觉, 应该是以当时的药检为准, 如果当时药检
查不出来, 也没必要翻旧账了...
好比奥运会的药检查不出来, 也只能判定运动员没有吃药,
至少大家的标准是一致的....

【在 f****l 的大作中提到】
: 问题在于如果放任不管的话,比赛就会变成药物开发公司的军备竞赛了. 看谁能研发出
: 最有效的兴奋剂了. 那样奖牌最后应该颁给幕后的chemist~
: &运动员技术也变得次要了, 主要在于胆子大不大了,怕不怕死了

R*****s
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这几期的running timies都有专页在为一个EPO-boost公司做广告...

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: 反正现状已经是这样了。运动员已经成了pharmacutical公司的活体实验品了
n******d
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你们说,如果胳膊壮要是提前移民了,这个usata还有折吗?不过lance是个proud
america.
USADA 无聊,lance的决定很有魄力
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u*********s
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我也一直在想这问题, 要我老早就走人了...还受这鸟气....

【在 n******d 的大作中提到】
: 你们说,如果胳膊壮要是提前移民了,这个usata还有折吗?不过lance是个proud
: america.
: USADA 无聊,lance的决定很有魄力

k*******n
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只要当时没查出来,或者当时不在禁药名单上,就是没吃药。
d*i
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奥运会运动员的尿样不是要保存八年吗?不知道有什么意义。

【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 的确是的, 所以其实USADA的人这么玩命坚持查下去,
: 可能也是因为他自己信仰的道德.....
: 至于他们背后有没有什么黑幕, 我们普通人就不知道了....
: 我个人的感觉, 应该是以当时的药检为准, 如果当时药检
: 查不出来, 也没必要翻旧账了...
: 好比奥运会的药检查不出来, 也只能判定运动员没有吃药,
: 至少大家的标准是一致的....

R*****s
发帖数: 41236
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TdF好像也是说8年后就不能再追究, 不晓得奥运会有没有
类似规定, 有取消以前某届奥运会金牌的事情发生么?
以前一直被质疑的马家军啥的后来8年检测出问题了么?

【在 d*i 的大作中提到】
: 奥运会运动员的尿样不是要保存八年吗?不知道有什么意义。
t****u
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因为还有没磕药的运动员,需要有一个公平竞争的环境。如果谁有比设立usada更好的
主意的话,就把这个机构关掉吧。
说政府乱花钱是容易,但谁当家还都是一样。

【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: okay, now the war isbetween USADA and UCI
: http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/UCI-asks-USADA-to-explain-
: 每一次看到USADA这个东西我就搓火. 每年花taxpayer的几个million 就在这种case上
: ,真是吃饱了.

f*******e
发帖数: 280
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不是因为他退场了。相当于法院定罪后,他不上诉了。

【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
: I don't quit understand, he was convicted because he stopped fighting back?
p********y
发帖数: 5141
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因为doping的技术永远领先于anti-doping。通常相应的检测手段的出现相对于嗑药的
手段有一个滞后性。
其实从另一个角度讲,tax payers' money也不完全是浪费了,至少从某种程度上说,
促进了科学化验手段的进步。

【在 d*i 的大作中提到】
: 奥运会运动员的尿样不是要保存八年吗?不知道有什么意义。
p********y
发帖数: 5141
38
因为doping的技术永远领先于anti-doping。通常相应的检测手段的出现相对于嗑药的
手段有一个滞后性。
其实从另一个角度讲,tax payers' money也不完全是浪费了,至少从某种程度上说,
促进了科学化验手段的进步。

【在 d*i 的大作中提到】
: 奥运会运动员的尿样不是要保存八年吗?不知道有什么意义。
j*********r
发帖数: 654
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/david-walsh-on-armstrong-and-us
cited here:
“It's just wrong that guys who were riding the race clean and never
appeared in the top 20 were screwed by a corrupt system and in my view a
system that couldn’t not have remained corrupt without the complicity of
the people who run the sport, the race organisers, the sponsors, the cycling
journalists. Too many people turned a blind eye to something that was
obviously wrong and they did it for all the wrong reasons.”
j*********r
发帖数: 654
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“The history of the Tour de France, over the last 20 years, since EPO and
blood boosting drugs were big, the history of the Tour de France has been
bunkum. It’s hasn’t been a story of triumph and great achievement, it’s
been a story of corruption and innocent people who rode the race clean being
screwed. They were the people we always needed to stand up for. The
spiritual leader of that peloton was Christophe Bassons and we all remember
what happened to him in 1999.”
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/david-walsh-on-armstrong-and-us
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j*********r
发帖数: 654
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophe_Bassons
Bassons became known during the 1998 doping Festina scandal, when the
discovery of a carload of drugs being driven to the team's riders in the
Tour de France led to evidence that doping was widespread in the team. In
September 1998, the newspaper France Soir published statements made to the
police. Two convicted riders, Armin Meier and Christophe Moreau, said that
Bassons was the only rider on the team not taking drugs.
h*****w
发帖数: 8561
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马家军吃的不就是EPO么,几年后这个药能查出来马家军就完了,话说回来那几年有谁
不吃EPO么,所以阿壮吃这个一点也不奇怪,不吃这个能比过其他人真是超人了。

【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: TdF好像也是说8年后就不能再追究, 不晓得奥运会有没有
: 类似规定, 有取消以前某届奥运会金牌的事情发生么?
: 以前一直被质疑的马家军啥的后来8年检测出问题了么?

u*********s
发帖数: 2077
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有道理, 连马家军都知道吃的药, 估计美国人早开吃了.....
所以说, 就这么回事, 大家心里知道就行了.....

【在 h*****w 的大作中提到】
: 马家军吃的不就是EPO么,几年后这个药能查出来马家军就完了,话说回来那几年有谁
: 不吃EPO么,所以阿壮吃这个一点也不奇怪,不吃这个能比过其他人真是超人了。

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