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Cycling版 - 原来美国biker haters这么多
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g****g
发帖数: 1828
1
今天根一个胖女人随便聊天,他说他在某个医院工作,我就说刚好我有个朋友骑车被骑
车撞了去了你们医院。她说她非常恨骑车的人,每次都占一整条lane,自己开车得非常
小心。有时还碰到好几两自行车一起。我辩解说我朋友那次完全是汽车的责任,blah
blah。她也没兴趣听,不欢而散了。我感觉好像幸灾乐祸,活该被撞的样子。最后只能
阿Q精神自我安慰:如果她骑车,也不会那样的体形。
I****9
发帖数: 5245
2
that's why "每次都占一整条lane"
w********6
发帖数: 12977
3
may theose bike haters stay as coach potatoes forever, and being fried in
their own fat in hell as well

【在 g****g 的大作中提到】
: 今天根一个胖女人随便聊天,他说他在某个医院工作,我就说刚好我有个朋友骑车被骑
: 车撞了去了你们医院。她说她非常恨骑车的人,每次都占一整条lane,自己开车得非常
: 小心。有时还碰到好几两自行车一起。我辩解说我朋友那次完全是汽车的责任,blah
: blah。她也没兴趣听,不欢而散了。我感觉好像幸灾乐祸,活该被撞的样子。最后只能
: 阿Q精神自我安慰:如果她骑车,也不会那样的体形。

O****e
发帖数: 3290
4
说得好。Get more people to ride a bike. Brain wash your friends or
colleagues whenever you get a chance. Tell them how cyclists are
discriminated by the current traffic law and the way roads are built.
Talking about traffic law. In Oregon, a biker can treat red light as stop
sign, stop sign as yield under the consideration that momentum is much more
important for a biker than a driver. It is simply a lot more hassle and a
lot slower for a biker to stop completely and then restart than a driver. It
k
c*******r
发帖数: 13580
5
care to reference the source? that was not the case during my 6 years of
living in Oregon.

more
It

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: 说得好。Get more people to ride a bike. Brain wash your friends or
: colleagues whenever you get a chance. Tell them how cyclists are
: discriminated by the current traffic law and the way roads are built.
: Talking about traffic law. In Oregon, a biker can treat red light as stop
: sign, stop sign as yield under the consideration that momentum is much more
: important for a biker than a driver. It is simply a lot more hassle and a
: lot slower for a biker to stop completely and then restart than a driver. It
: k

c*******r
发帖数: 13580
6
one word: BP

【在 g****g 的大作中提到】
: 今天根一个胖女人随便聊天,他说他在某个医院工作,我就说刚好我有个朋友骑车被骑
: 车撞了去了你们医院。她说她非常恨骑车的人,每次都占一整条lane,自己开车得非常
: 小心。有时还碰到好几两自行车一起。我辩解说我朋友那次完全是汽车的责任,blah
: blah。她也没兴趣听,不欢而散了。我感觉好像幸灾乐祸,活该被撞的样子。最后只能
: 阿Q精神自我安慰:如果她骑车,也不会那样的体形。

f**********e
发帖数: 1994
7
今天险些被一个没打灯突然右转的 SUV 撞到,一个劳模女人。我不知道是不是
bike hater 还是纯粹傻逼。我骑车时从来不惮以最大的恶意来估量周围的车
子,American drivers just don't give a shit.

【在 g****g 的大作中提到】
: 今天根一个胖女人随便聊天,他说他在某个医院工作,我就说刚好我有个朋友骑车被骑
: 车撞了去了你们医院。她说她非常恨骑车的人,每次都占一整条lane,自己开车得非常
: 小心。有时还碰到好几两自行车一起。我辩解说我朋友那次完全是汽车的责任,blah
: blah。她也没兴趣听,不欢而散了。我感觉好像幸灾乐祸,活该被撞的样子。最后只能
: 阿Q精神自我安慰:如果她骑车,也不会那样的体形。

y*****y
发帖数: 3433
8
Is that true? Never heard of this.

more
It

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: 说得好。Get more people to ride a bike. Brain wash your friends or
: colleagues whenever you get a chance. Tell them how cyclists are
: discriminated by the current traffic law and the way roads are built.
: Talking about traffic law. In Oregon, a biker can treat red light as stop
: sign, stop sign as yield under the consideration that momentum is much more
: important for a biker than a driver. It is simply a lot more hassle and a
: lot slower for a biker to stop completely and then restart than a driver. It
: k

N**D
发帖数: 10322
9
这他奶奶的角闯红灯吧?
既然说大家share road, 需要互相尊重,为啥自己要特例闯红灯?
这要是被另外一个方向的车撞了,谁的责任?

more
It

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: 说得好。Get more people to ride a bike. Brain wash your friends or
: colleagues whenever you get a chance. Tell them how cyclists are
: discriminated by the current traffic law and the way roads are built.
: Talking about traffic law. In Oregon, a biker can treat red light as stop
: sign, stop sign as yield under the consideration that momentum is much more
: important for a biker than a driver. It is simply a lot more hassle and a
: lot slower for a biker to stop completely and then restart than a driver. It
: k

N**D
发帖数: 10322
10
别说自行车,摩托车一样,根本原因是看不见,目标太小

【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】
: 今天险些被一个没打灯突然右转的 SUV 撞到,一个劳模女人。我不知道是不是
: bike hater 还是纯粹傻逼。我骑车时从来不惮以最大的恶意来估量周围的车
: 子,American drivers just don't give a shit.

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N**D
发帖数: 10322
11
标那么小,还不走直线,想闯红灯就闯,高速,马路,人行道,随便骑。
锻炼的话还是去gym

【在 g****g 的大作中提到】
: 今天根一个胖女人随便聊天,他说他在某个医院工作,我就说刚好我有个朋友骑车被骑
: 车撞了去了你们医院。她说她非常恨骑车的人,每次都占一整条lane,自己开车得非常
: 小心。有时还碰到好几两自行车一起。我辩解说我朋友那次完全是汽车的责任,blah
: blah。她也没兴趣听,不欢而散了。我感觉好像幸灾乐祸,活该被撞的样子。最后只能
: 阿Q精神自我安慰:如果她骑车,也不会那样的体形。

g****g
发帖数: 1828
12
by the principle of democracy, this seems impossible, there are much much
more car drivers than bikers in america. There are much more fat women like
the one I met than slim bikers. one can easily think the law will favor
which side.
btw, i posted the same post on automobile board too. it's interesting to see
the reaction of both drivers and bikers.

more
It

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: 说得好。Get more people to ride a bike. Brain wash your friends or
: colleagues whenever you get a chance. Tell them how cyclists are
: discriminated by the current traffic law and the way roads are built.
: Talking about traffic law. In Oregon, a biker can treat red light as stop
: sign, stop sign as yield under the consideration that momentum is much more
: important for a biker than a driver. It is simply a lot more hassle and a
: lot slower for a biker to stop completely and then restart than a driver. It
: k

f**********e
发帖数: 1994
13
让盲人操作一台 5000lb 的机器的确是一件危险的事。不好好看路你还有理了。

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】
: 别说自行车,摩托车一样,根本原因是看不见,目标太小
f**********e
发帖数: 1994
14
我刚读过一篇 paper, 讲的是为何美国只有 0.5% 的 trip 是 bike, 但荷兰是
30-40%. 结论是政策和公共交通设计造成的。所以那肥女人不想骑车不完全是她的错,
是美国的道路交通让她选择肥胖的生活。不是每个人都想像我们这样赌命骑车的。

much
like
see

【在 g****g 的大作中提到】
: by the principle of democracy, this seems impossible, there are much much
: more car drivers than bikers in america. There are much more fat women like
: the one I met than slim bikers. one can easily think the law will favor
: which side.
: btw, i posted the same post on automobile board too. it's interesting to see
: the reaction of both drivers and bikers.
:
: more
: It

O****e
发帖数: 3290
15
I read about it in Bicycle magazine a couple of years ago. Just googled it.
My memory was not quite correct. It is in Idaho that both "Red as stop" and
"Stop as yield" are effective. In Oregon, you only have "Stop as yield".
Here is a link talking about such a law:
http://www.bicyclelaw.com/articles/a.cfm/legally-speaking-stop-as-yield1
Sorry about the confusion and thanks for questioning.

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: care to reference the source? that was not the case during my 6 years of
: living in Oregon.
:
: more
: It

O****e
发帖数: 3290
16
This is the discrimination I am talking about. Here is another quote I read
a while ago that I liked: It does not make sense to burn fuel to haul tons
of metals just to get one (<500lbs) person with one suitcase to work.
But, the f**cking transportation infrastructure here is just designed to
encourage that. When you get used to it, you just forget whether it makes
sense in the first place.

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】
: 标那么小,还不走直线,想闯红灯就闯,高速,马路,人行道,随便骑。
: 锻炼的话还是去gym

N**D
发帖数: 10322
17
说了,根本看不见,太小了入,很多骑车的都觉得开车的不让,其实是看不见。

read

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: This is the discrimination I am talking about. Here is another quote I read
: a while ago that I liked: It does not make sense to burn fuel to haul tons
: of metals just to get one (<500lbs) person with one suitcase to work.
: But, the f**cking transportation infrastructure here is just designed to
: encourage that. When you get used to it, you just forget whether it makes
: sense in the first place.

N**D
发帖数: 10322
18
激动个啥,你开车不?
有没有前方突然出现一个骑车的,慢悠悠的,后面赌了一串,没有人敢超,就是怕碰到
,因为这个自行车他不走直线,,还闯红灯。
有没有考虑大家都是开车办事的,上班的,这样要浪费别人多少时间?

【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】
: 让盲人操作一台 5000lb 的机器的确是一件危险的事。不好好看路你还有理了。
N**D
发帖数: 10322
19
对开车的人来讲,就是大家共享一条路,遵守一个交规,要是骑自行车的可以闯红灯,
这大家都没法玩了。

and

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: I read about it in Bicycle magazine a couple of years ago. Just googled it.
: My memory was not quite correct. It is in Idaho that both "Red as stop" and
: "Stop as yield" are effective. In Oregon, you only have "Stop as yield".
: Here is a link talking about such a law:
: http://www.bicyclelaw.com/articles/a.cfm/legally-speaking-stop-as-yield1
: Sorry about the confusion and thanks for questioning.

f**********e
发帖数: 1994
20
我既开车又骑车,骑车居多。我骑车时倒是经常遇到从我右肘边 3" 擦过的汽车,
而我正骑在 bike lane, 还偏路肩。开车时见过不要命的 asshole biker
吗?当然。大多是装逼的 fixie rider,honk 几下就好了。一般骑车的听到喇叭
会让的。是的,有些 dickhead biker 会冲着你比手指,超过去,别理就是了。
但是说 bike 太小看不见实在太不靠谱。到国内练开一个月再回来。

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】
: 激动个啥,你开车不?
: 有没有前方突然出现一个骑车的,慢悠悠的,后面赌了一串,没有人敢超,就是怕碰到
: ,因为这个自行车他不走直线,,还闯红灯。
: 有没有考虑大家都是开车办事的,上班的,这样要浪费别人多少时间?

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How you should not ride a bike.想换台车,有人要车吗
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N**D
发帖数: 10322
21
前几个月,在我们这附近,一个医生开车发生交通事故和一队自行车,被判了5年,据
自行车说,是这个医生honk, 作出威胁性的动做。据医生的方面说,那是一条一条道的
山路,在居民去,一对自行车排成一排,堵住路,还慢悠悠的,医生按喇叭,自行车的
干脆突然刹车,被追尾。
厉害吧,自行车突然刹车,
而且,这些骑自行车的,一贯如此,附近的居民对此很有意见,毕竟上班的路被堵。
开庭的时候,自行车的很嚣张啊,站满了一法庭,要讨回公道。现在是,只要出事,警
察都不敢不向着自行车,怕啊。
看看新闻后的评论,就知道一般的司机是咋想的
最后,从你右肘擦过,很有可能是没有看见你。现在谁敢碰自行车啊,轻的骨折。
就算偏露肩,也不敢超啊,他奶奶的,万一晃悠一下,麻烦大了。

【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】
: 我既开车又骑车,骑车居多。我骑车时倒是经常遇到从我右肘边 3" 擦过的汽车,
: 而我正骑在 bike lane, 还偏路肩。开车时见过不要命的 asshole biker
: 吗?当然。大多是装逼的 fixie rider,honk 几下就好了。一般骑车的听到喇叭
: 会让的。是的,有些 dickhead biker 会冲着你比手指,超过去,别理就是了。
: 但是说 bike 太小看不见实在太不靠谱。到国内练开一个月再回来。

J********e
发帖数: 2284
22
我宁可相信你是知道一些事实但是故意挖坑,把事实列一下:
1. 一个自行车手后面的反射面积,大致相当于一个速度指示牌(开车在路上,要求看
得清限速不过分吧),如果说看不清楚,那和半瞎也差不多,该赶紧去看眼科大夫了。
2. 那个案子非常有名,版上在LA有很多清楚此事。事实是那个医生超过自行车之后,
在他们的前面急刹车,造成两名自行车手追尾,其中一人骨折。那个医生被定罪的主要
罪名是ASSUALT WITH DEADLY WEAPON,很严重的罪行。
你从哪个小道消息看到的“自行车的干脆突然刹车,被追尾。厉害吧,自行车突然刹车”?
连那个医生也供认不讳,只是解释说自己急刹车是要“教训一下”他们。

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】
: 前几个月,在我们这附近,一个医生开车发生交通事故和一队自行车,被判了5年,据
: 自行车说,是这个医生honk, 作出威胁性的动做。据医生的方面说,那是一条一条道的
: 山路,在居民去,一对自行车排成一排,堵住路,还慢悠悠的,医生按喇叭,自行车的
: 干脆突然刹车,被追尾。
: 厉害吧,自行车突然刹车,
: 而且,这些骑自行车的,一贯如此,附近的居民对此很有意见,毕竟上班的路被堵。
: 开庭的时候,自行车的很嚣张啊,站满了一法庭,要讨回公道。现在是,只要出事,警
: 察都不敢不向着自行车,怕啊。
: 看看新闻后的评论,就知道一般的司机是咋想的
: 最后,从你右肘擦过,很有可能是没有看见你。现在谁敢碰自行车啊,轻的骨折。

f**********e
发帖数: 1994
23
我觉得他不像是挖坑的,挖坑的根本不会详细码这么多字。虽然他的故事
在骑车的人眼里实在完全不可信 -- 最烂的自行车手也不会自己刹车送死。
两造:有 news link 吗?
also, 是从我左肘 3" 过。左右不分了

车”?

【在 J********e 的大作中提到】
: 我宁可相信你是知道一些事实但是故意挖坑,把事实列一下:
: 1. 一个自行车手后面的反射面积,大致相当于一个速度指示牌(开车在路上,要求看
: 得清限速不过分吧),如果说看不清楚,那和半瞎也差不多,该赶紧去看眼科大夫了。
: 2. 那个案子非常有名,版上在LA有很多清楚此事。事实是那个医生超过自行车之后,
: 在他们的前面急刹车,造成两名自行车手追尾,其中一人骨折。那个医生被定罪的主要
: 罪名是ASSUALT WITH DEADLY WEAPON,很严重的罪行。
: 你从哪个小道消息看到的“自行车的干脆突然刹车,被追尾。厉害吧,自行车突然刹车”?
: 连那个医生也供认不讳,只是解释说自己急刹车是要“教训一下”他们。

O****e
发帖数: 3290
24
When a car stops at a red light and there is no other cars around, it will
sense its existence and turn green given enough time. It is not the case for
a bike. If a biker has to wait for it turn green, he will wait forever if
no cars are around. That is one of the reason the bike friendly state Idaho
pass the law.
Yes, there are bikers that don't go straight when they should. But, there
are also such cars. They are not good examples.
The current law treats the bike as if it is a car (except for

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】
: 对开车的人来讲,就是大家共享一条路,遵守一个交规,要是骑自行车的可以闯红灯,
: 这大家都没法玩了。
:
: and

N**D
发帖数: 10322
25
速度拍啥颜色的?
再说,这个追尾是后面的车的责任吧
仔仔说,为啥要教训? 是这些自行车平时太讨厌了吧

车”?

【在 J********e 的大作中提到】
: 我宁可相信你是知道一些事实但是故意挖坑,把事实列一下:
: 1. 一个自行车手后面的反射面积,大致相当于一个速度指示牌(开车在路上,要求看
: 得清限速不过分吧),如果说看不清楚,那和半瞎也差不多,该赶紧去看眼科大夫了。
: 2. 那个案子非常有名,版上在LA有很多清楚此事。事实是那个医生超过自行车之后,
: 在他们的前面急刹车,造成两名自行车手追尾,其中一人骨折。那个医生被定罪的主要
: 罪名是ASSUALT WITH DEADLY WEAPON,很严重的罪行。
: 你从哪个小道消息看到的“自行车的干脆突然刹车,被追尾。厉害吧,自行车突然刹车”?
: 连那个医生也供认不讳,只是解释说自己急刹车是要“教训一下”他们。

J********e
发帖数: 2284
26
速度牌啥颜色你说说看?你可能不知道,自行车骑行服的设计,首要的考虑就是要醒目
吧 - 所以那些花花绿绿图案,目的首先是安全,然后才是好看。
第二个问题,先别岔开话题,承认自己连基本事实都搞错了先。

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】
: 速度拍啥颜色的?
: 再说,这个追尾是后面的车的责任吧
: 仔仔说,为啥要教训? 是这些自行车平时太讨厌了吧
:
: 车”?

N**D
发帖数: 10322
27
骑行服? 看看大街上几个穿的
醒目吗? 反复再说,就是自行车太小,目标太小,太小,看不见。那个不是放在眼前
看不看得见,是开车30-40迈,专心路况,的情况下
我在这浪费啥口水,无非就是提醒诸为骑自行车的,开车的看不见你们,不是开车的故
意的。
偶同事,开摩托车十几年俄,凡是要超车啥的,都要使劲按喇叭,制造噪音,就是
active defense driving, 大家都知道,自己目标太小。

【在 J********e 的大作中提到】
: 速度牌啥颜色你说说看?你可能不知道,自行车骑行服的设计,首要的考虑就是要醒目
: 吧 - 所以那些花花绿绿图案,目的首先是安全,然后才是好看。
: 第二个问题,先别岔开话题,承认自己连基本事实都搞错了先。

J********e
发帖数: 2284
28
专心路况的司机,能看见路边视线以外的限速牌,反而看不见正前方路上的骑手,真是
奇哉怪也。
还有,你的摩托车同事的情况和自行车有很大很大的不同,不同在哪里?- 自己稍微想
想就明白了,实在想不明白,我再给你解释。

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】
: 骑行服? 看看大街上几个穿的
: 醒目吗? 反复再说,就是自行车太小,目标太小,太小,看不见。那个不是放在眼前
: 看不看得见,是开车30-40迈,专心路况,的情况下
: 我在这浪费啥口水,无非就是提醒诸为骑自行车的,开车的看不见你们,不是开车的故
: 意的。
: 偶同事,开摩托车十几年俄,凡是要超车啥的,都要使劲按喇叭,制造噪音,就是
: active defense driving, 大家都知道,自己目标太小。

h******2
发帖数: 1498
29
在美国开车的,习惯看车让车,不习惯看自行车,大部分每天上下班commute的人脑子
里面就没有自行车这个概念。你跟他们再怎么解释也是白搭。
国内正好相反,习惯自行车行人乱穿马路,对其他机动车似乎视而不见,好像有车的谁
都不怕谁。
O****e
发帖数: 3290
30
目标太小?下次开车,是不是被大巴撞一下,然后再赔个不是,对不起是我目标太小,
什么逻辑!费了半天口舌,原来是对牛弹琴!

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】
: 骑行服? 看看大街上几个穿的
: 醒目吗? 反复再说,就是自行车太小,目标太小,太小,看不见。那个不是放在眼前
: 看不看得见,是开车30-40迈,专心路况,的情况下
: 我在这浪费啥口水,无非就是提醒诸为骑自行车的,开车的看不见你们,不是开车的故
: 意的。
: 偶同事,开摩托车十几年俄,凡是要超车啥的,都要使劲按喇叭,制造噪音,就是
: active defense driving, 大家都知道,自己目标太小。

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w******x
发帖数: 4396
f****i
发帖数: 20252
32
自行车也是可以用来trigger ground loop的

for
Idaho

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: When a car stops at a red light and there is no other cars around, it will
: sense its existence and turn green given enough time. It is not the case for
: a bike. If a biker has to wait for it turn green, he will wait forever if
: no cars are around. That is one of the reason the bike friendly state Idaho
: pass the law.
: Yes, there are bikers that don't go straight when they should. But, there
: are also such cars. They are not good examples.
: The current law treats the bike as if it is a car (except for

h******2
发帖数: 1498
33
Obviously, venting, not facts, is what Mr. 99.9mpg wants. BTW, 99.9mpg,
what an oxymoron...

【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: let's set the facts straight.
: from LA times, in chronological order:
: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/12/local/me-bikers12
: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/03/local/me-cyclist3
: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/cyclist-sentenced.html

y*****y
发帖数: 3433
34
自行车也是可以触发金属探测器信号的。
当然,因为自行车含的金属少一些,可能停车的时候要注意一下停的位置,尽量停在圈
上。我们这里在圈上都标了一个X符号表明这里是最佳停车位置。
实在不行的话,把自行车放倒,能检测到的可能性大一些。

for
Idaho

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: When a car stops at a red light and there is no other cars around, it will
: sense its existence and turn green given enough time. It is not the case for
: a bike. If a biker has to wait for it turn green, he will wait forever if
: no cars are around. That is one of the reason the bike friendly state Idaho
: pass the law.
: Yes, there are bikers that don't go straight when they should. But, there
: are also such cars. They are not good examples.
: The current law treats the bike as if it is a car (except for

y*****y
发帖数: 3433
35
不可否认,不光是开车的,骑车的人里面idiots也不少。先不提满大街的骑个超市车,
不带头盔,逆向骑行,随便乱拐的这种。就是骑个好车,穿着骑行服的也有不守规矩的
。前两天我开车在一个高速出口的地方等红灯,一个骑自行车的高速从我边上扬长穿红
灯而过,差点跟高速出来的车撞上,我都吓得够呛,恨不得追上去痛骂几句,就是这样
的骑车人多了,开车的才都恨得牙痒。
所以,不管是骑车还是开车,都要按规矩来,大家都谅解一下。骑车的能让的时候就让
一下,毕竟出了问题的话肯定是自行车吃亏。开车的能忍的时候就忍一下,也就几分钟
的事情,等到了能换lane超车的时候你再超也亏不了多少。自行车单占一条道是为了安
全,不是为了故意堵你。
出门又不是为了斗气的,安全第一。

前看不看得见,是开车30-40迈,专心路况,的情况下
故意的。
active defense driving, 大家都知道,自己目标太小。

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】
: 骑行服? 看看大街上几个穿的
: 醒目吗? 反复再说,就是自行车太小,目标太小,太小,看不见。那个不是放在眼前
: 看不看得见,是开车30-40迈,专心路况,的情况下
: 我在这浪费啥口水,无非就是提醒诸为骑自行车的,开车的看不见你们,不是开车的故
: 意的。
: 偶同事,开摩托车十几年俄,凡是要超车啥的,都要使劲按喇叭,制造噪音,就是
: active defense driving, 大家都知道,自己目标太小。

w******x
发帖数: 4396
36
actually in his defense, cyclists are indeed a much smaller--and more
importantly, different--target. when the average american driver is actively
looking for cars and road signs he tend to ignore other objects in view.
this is the psychological effect called visual filtering. it's a very well
proven scientific fact.
on the other hand if the driver learned to drive in china where he has to
look for both cars and bikes it's a different story.

【在 h******2 的大作中提到】
: Obviously, venting, not facts, is what Mr. 99.9mpg wants. BTW, 99.9mpg,
: what an oxymoron...

O****e
发帖数: 3290
37
I know. But, it never worked for me. Either I could not find it or I found
the wrong one or I found it it just did not work. And it is apparently not
equipped everywhere.
Have you ever made it work? I read some articles that describe what it looks
like and how to find it. I just could not find one that works. I would
appreciate if you can take a picture and post it.

【在 f****i 的大作中提到】
: 自行车也是可以用来trigger ground loop的
:
: for
: Idaho

f****i
发帖数: 20252
38
你得找刚动过手术的路练习一下
那个线圈有的是圆形,有的是多边行,用轮胎压上去就行

looks

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: I know. But, it never worked for me. Either I could not find it or I found
: the wrong one or I found it it just did not work. And it is apparently not
: equipped everywhere.
: Have you ever made it work? I read some articles that describe what it looks
: like and how to find it. I just could not find one that works. I would
: appreciate if you can take a picture and post it.

c*******r
发帖数: 13580
39
It works for me 95% of the time.

looks

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: I know. But, it never worked for me. Either I could not find it or I found
: the wrong one or I found it it just did not work. And it is apparently not
: equipped everywhere.
: Have you ever made it work? I read some articles that describe what it looks
: like and how to find it. I just could not find one that works. I would
: appreciate if you can take a picture and post it.

w********6
发帖数: 12977
40
路上骑车的很多,我们这个版上都是作为爱好,我自己骑车上班也是一套的hi-vi衣服
,完全按照交
通规则。老三当年骑车也是一样。
的确有胡乱骑车的,还有在人行道和自行车道逆行的劳模。
你作为一个户外爱好者,没有骑车过,还是别瞎判断。你说的医生我知道,事实和你说
的想法,是他
超车后急刹车,在大下坡的地方,重伤了两个。
如果不是认识你,我还以为是coach potato 来捣乱,差点开骂了。

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】
: 前几个月,在我们这附近,一个医生开车发生交通事故和一队自行车,被判了5年,据
: 自行车说,是这个医生honk, 作出威胁性的动做。据医生的方面说,那是一条一条道的
: 山路,在居民去,一对自行车排成一排,堵住路,还慢悠悠的,医生按喇叭,自行车的
: 干脆突然刹车,被追尾。
: 厉害吧,自行车突然刹车,
: 而且,这些骑自行车的,一贯如此,附近的居民对此很有意见,毕竟上班的路被堵。
: 开庭的时候,自行车的很嚣张啊,站满了一法庭,要讨回公道。现在是,只要出事,警
: 察都不敢不向着自行车,怕啊。
: 看看新闻后的评论,就知道一般的司机是咋想的
: 最后,从你右肘擦过,很有可能是没有看见你。现在谁敢碰自行车啊,轻的骨折。

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y*****y
发帖数: 3433
41
Works for me most of the time.
If you think one of them really do not work, call department of
transportation in your city to let them repair it. That's the best way to
help them improve the system. (Because they really do not know if it works
as expected or not and need user's input)

looks

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: I know. But, it never worked for me. Either I could not find it or I found
: the wrong one or I found it it just did not work. And it is apparently not
: equipped everywhere.
: Have you ever made it work? I read some articles that describe what it looks
: like and how to find it. I just could not find one that works. I would
: appreciate if you can take a picture and post it.

O****e
发帖数: 3290
42
Maybe Oregon is different. It is a well known bike friendly state. Well, on
one hand, it is great to know the trick for triggering the detector which is
designed for cars not for bikes in most places. On the other hand, it is
yet another example that cyclists are discriminated. I have been riding for
7 years averaging about 100 miles a week. If I can't figure out how to make
the detector work, what can you expect from an ordinary biker? If you care
to read this article, you will understand my po

【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: It works for me 95% of the time.
:
: looks

x********n
发帖数: 1188
43
目标小那是借口。路上摆一石头你还会避开,关键还是不专心,不注意。我骑车,也开
车,也有一次左转时差点撞上个骑车。因为是天黑,那天又特累,结果光注意有没有直
行的汽车了,就忽视了旁边的自行车,那哥们过了一半路口,让我先过去了,不过估计
骂得我够呛,不过我知道,这肯定是我的问题,没有专心。当然骑车的也该注意,别想
着开车的能看到,就算可车的看到了,也可能没意识到骑车的

【在 N**D 的大作中提到】
: 别说自行车,摩托车一样,根本原因是看不见,目标太小
y*****y
发帖数: 3433
44
Read this article before, it do have valid point. But I personally think
the more practical way is to educate people (both bikers and riders) how the
loop detector works. We are definitely behind on this and many of us do not
know how it works.

on
is
for
make

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: Maybe Oregon is different. It is a well known bike friendly state. Well, on
: one hand, it is great to know the trick for triggering the detector which is
: designed for cars not for bikes in most places. On the other hand, it is
: yet another example that cyclists are discriminated. I have been riding for
: 7 years averaging about 100 miles a week. If I can't figure out how to make
: the detector work, what can you expect from an ordinary biker? If you care
: to read this article, you will understand my po

f****i
发帖数: 20252
45
知道规律了就很容易trigger
在每个汽车lane上,白线后半个汽车车身,在lane的1/3或2/3处

on
is
for
make

【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: Maybe Oregon is different. It is a well known bike friendly state. Well, on
: one hand, it is great to know the trick for triggering the detector which is
: designed for cars not for bikes in most places. On the other hand, it is
: yet another example that cyclists are discriminated. I have been riding for
: 7 years averaging about 100 miles a week. If I can't figure out how to make
: the detector work, what can you expect from an ordinary biker? If you care
: to read this article, you will understand my po

f**********e
发帖数: 1994
46
I always need to do some humping on top of the loop to make it sees me

【在 f****i 的大作中提到】
: 知道规律了就很容易trigger
: 在每个汽车lane上,白线后半个汽车车身,在lane的1/3或2/3处
:
: on
: is
: for
: make

f****i
发帖数: 20252
47
没错,
动一下比多等一个灯要值

【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】
: I always need to do some humping on top of the loop to make it sees me
O****e
发帖数: 3290
48
That is good to know. I appreciate all of you sharing your experience with
me. But, still it is inconvenient for bikers. It would be better if they
also put it in bike lane or places where a bike naturally stand or have a
better sign to point it out for cyclists. You see the current design does
not require a driver to be aware for it to work. I have been riding in 4
states including SoCal. In all the group rides I have been to, I don't
remember anyone ever mentioned or tried to trigger such a de

【在 f****i 的大作中提到】
: 知道规律了就很容易trigger
: 在每个汽车lane上,白线后半个汽车车身,在lane的1/3或2/3处
:
: on
: is
: for
: make

g****g
发帖数: 1828
49
开车和骑车都有不收规矩的。其实就是个歧视的问题,自行车的速度慢,而且武器落后
,我开车肯定有欺负你的意思,就像大个子小个子一样。
这个国家开车的人数比例,以及各个石油财团为了自己的利益,甚至牺牲铁路,建设高
速公路。就像华人是少数一样,相对开车,自行车肯定受到的歧视肯定要大的多。
车版许多仁说,在美国骑车等于找死--大家车都月开越大,恨不得上坦克,你却骑车。
反正自从我朋友出事以后,我很少在公路上骑车了,宁可上路肩人行道,因为即使是
bike route,基本没人注意的,大家都开习惯了。我朋友就是在bike route,被一个没
STOP的家伙差点撞死。
D**********e
发帖数: 147
50
我一直觉得dc这边司机对biker的态度都不错的,
直到我遇到了第一个不给停下车来让我先过的司机。。。

【在 g****g 的大作中提到】
: 今天根一个胖女人随便聊天,他说他在某个医院工作,我就说刚好我有个朋友骑车被骑
: 车撞了去了你们医院。她说她非常恨骑车的人,每次都占一整条lane,自己开车得非常
: 小心。有时还碰到好几两自行车一起。我辩解说我朋友那次完全是汽车的责任,blah
: blah。她也没兴趣听,不欢而散了。我感觉好像幸灾乐祸,活该被撞的样子。最后只能
: 阿Q精神自我安慰:如果她骑车,也不会那样的体形。

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