e****2
发帖数: 2723 | 1 一般来说国内硕士或者本科毕业工作十年后，收入到50万人民币不成问题。
现在说起国外的，张口就是那些穷薄厚，受罪呀 ，真造孽！ |
j*****d
发帖数: 60 | 2 你忘了说那是金融什么的专业。要是化学，本科毕业十年能挣5万就不错了
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 一般来说国内硕士或者本科毕业工作十年后，收入到50万人民币不成问题。
: 现在说起国外的，张口就是那些穷薄厚，受罪呀 ，真造孽！
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j*********5
发帖数: 6221 | 3 Check the average salary of Chinese BS and MS in Chemistry
Now you got a job in China but still bullshit here
what is your point?
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 一般来说国内硕士或者本科毕业工作十年后，收入到50万人民币不成问题。
: 现在说起国外的，张口就是那些穷薄厚，受罪呀 ，真造孽！
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C******n
发帖数: 1612 | 4 are you sure? in US, as far as I know, bachelor in organic chemistry entry
lever salary should be higher than 50k/year.
【在 j*****d 的大作中提到】
: 你忘了说那是金融什么的专业。要是化学，本科毕业十年能挣5万就不错了
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f*****n
发帖数: 970 | 5 what a BS organic chem major guy could do for pharm or chemical company?
I don't think they could offer that much, otherwise why not just hire
Postdoc in the company, the pay could be lower than 50k/yr
【在 C******n 的大作中提到】
: are you sure? in US, as far as I know, bachelor in organic chemistry entry
: lever salary should be higher than 50k/year.
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S*****n
发帖数: 6055 | 6 different role
also
industry postdoc earns more than 50k
【在 f*****n 的大作中提到】
: what a BS organic chem major guy could do for pharm or chemical company?
: I don't think they could offer that much, otherwise why not just hire
: Postdoc in the company, the pay could be lower than 50k/yr
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f*****n
发帖数: 970 | 7 yes, what I said was to accentuate a Phd's value for company, a BS graduate
could only be a helper for PHDs.
and all the work a BS graduate could do, a phd could do better.
BTW,
how much a industrial Postdoc could be paid? the same as a research
scientist in the company?
【在 S*****n 的大作中提到】
: different role
: also
: industry postdoc earns more than 50k
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l**j
发帖数: 651 | 8 50-70k in general
industry好多时候经验很重要 不要小瞧experienced MS BS
经常他们比fresh phd好用的多
graduate
【在 f*****n 的大作中提到】
: yes, what I said was to accentuate a Phd's value for company, a BS graduate
: could only be a helper for PHDs.
: and all the work a BS graduate could do, a phd could do better.
: BTW,
: how much a industrial Postdoc could be paid? the same as a research
: scientist in the company?
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S*****n
发帖数: 6055 | 9 you are absolutely right
if you are willing to accept a 50k offer, let me know
I am looking for a chemical technician at BS level, and I am sure you will
do better than my current candidates
graduate
【在 f*****n 的大作中提到】
: yes, what I said was to accentuate a Phd's value for company, a BS graduate
: could only be a helper for PHDs.
: and all the work a BS graduate could do, a phd could do better.
: BTW,
: how much a industrial Postdoc could be paid? the same as a research
: scientist in the company?
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e****2
发帖数: 2723 | 10 我报名！
比薄厚强多了！
【在 S*****n 的大作中提到】
: you are absolutely right
: if you are willing to accept a 50k offer, let me know
: I am looking for a chemical technician at BS level, and I am sure you will
: do better than my current candidates
:
: graduate
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f*****n
发帖数: 970 | 11 we are talking about experienced, it's not fair since the job in the
industry would be very different from what you did at school.
so that means for Postdoc positions Industrial Postdoc > national lab
Postdoc > school postdoc, if only considering paid.
while if for career building, I think national lab > school > industry,
because of freedom and atmosphere.
【在 l**j 的大作中提到】
: 50-70k in general
: industry好多时候经验很重要 不要小瞧experienced MS BS
: 经常他们比fresh phd好用的多
:
: graduate
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j*********5
发帖数: 6221 | 12 "I think national lab > school > industry,"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~totally wrong, if you
want to become a prof., then go to school postdoc, you can get more decent
pubs
if you want to join company in the future, go to industrial postdoc, you
have internal opportunity to become formal employee, if not, you at least
gained industrial experience on your resume
for national lab, they paid less than industry, and hard to publish good
paper because of the projects, that is why they are willing to pay a lot
more than school but still can not attract talented phd.
Don't tell me you have chance to become formal empolyee in NL, a lot of NL
are laying off formal employees
【在 f*****n 的大作中提到】
: we are talking about experienced, it's not fair since the job in the
: industry would be very different from what you did at school.
: so that means for Postdoc positions Industrial Postdoc > national lab
: Postdoc > school postdoc, if only considering paid.
: while if for career building, I think national lab > school > industry,
: because of freedom and atmosphere.
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J*J
发帖数: 132 | 13 找现在这形势， 很有可能啊
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 一般来说国内硕士或者本科毕业工作十年后，收入到50万人民币不成问题。
: 现在说起国外的，张口就是那些穷薄厚，受罪呀 ，真造孽！
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S*****n
发帖数: 6055 | 14 if you want to build your career in university, the best way is to find a
postdoc position in a university
if you want to build your career in national lab, the easiest way is to find
a national lab postdoc
if you want to build your career in industry, and you still want to do
postdoc for whatever reason, go find an industry postdoc
simple logic
I just cannot understand why somebody cannot get the point...
【在 j*********5 的大作中提到】
: "I think national lab > school > industry,"
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~totally wrong, if you
: want to become a prof., then go to school postdoc, you can get more decent
: pubs
: if you want to join company in the future, go to industrial postdoc, you
: have internal opportunity to become formal employee, if not, you at least
: gained industrial experience on your resume
: for national lab, they paid less than industry, and hard to publish good
: paper because of the projects, that is why they are willing to pay a lot
: more than school but still can not attract talented phd.
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s*******h
发帖数: 3731 | 15 操，您老博士毕业没有？工业界混了几年了？
大公司里技术和工程做到最上层的有很多人就是本科毕业。。。
学位就是屎，还不如手纸。。。。
graduate
【在 f*****n 的大作中提到】
: yes, what I said was to accentuate a Phd's value for company, a BS graduate
: could only be a helper for PHDs.
: and all the work a BS graduate could do, a phd could do better.
: BTW,
: how much a industrial Postdoc could be paid? the same as a research
: scientist in the company?
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k*******n
发帖数: 2399 | 16 烂校postdoc是不是连手纸都不如啊？？
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 操，您老博士毕业没有？工业界混了几年了？
: 大公司里技术和工程做到最上层的有很多人就是本科毕业。。。
: 学位就是屎，还不如手纸。。。。
:
: graduate
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h****z
发帖数: 1996 | 17 超工肺腑之言啊
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 操，您老博士毕业没有？工业界混了几年了？
: 大公司里技术和工程做到最上层的有很多人就是本科毕业。。。
: 学位就是屎，还不如手纸。。。。
:
: graduate
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f*****n
发帖数: 970 | 18 we are talking about majority, don't give abnormal examples then say BS is
better than PHD with the same pay.
I don't think I said anything about diploma. while I was talking about the
pHD training. A trained PHD should be much more pragmatic than a BS w/out
bench working trained, especially for a chemist and chem tech position.
well, if you want to talk about the POSTdoc level work, I don't think a BS
fresh graduate could handle with less than three month hands on hands
trained. However, I do believe this hands on hands training must also
initialized by a PHD.
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 操，您老博士毕业没有？工业界混了几年了？
: 大公司里技术和工程做到最上层的有很多人就是本科毕业。。。
: 学位就是屎，还不如手纸。。。。
:
: graduate
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s*******h
发帖数: 3731 | 19 你就慢慢yy吧。。。我保证你未来的老板很多就是学历比你低不少，你还得天天kiss
ass。。
【在 f*****n 的大作中提到】
: we are talking about majority, don't give abnormal examples then say BS is
: better than PHD with the same pay.
: I don't think I said anything about diploma. while I was talking about the
: pHD training. A trained PHD should be much more pragmatic than a BS w/out
: bench working trained, especially for a chemist and chem tech position.
: well, if you want to talk about the POSTdoc level work, I don't think a BS
: fresh graduate could handle with less than three month hands on hands
: trained. However, I do believe this hands on hands training must also
: initialized by a PHD.
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f*****n
发帖数: 970 | 20 you are talking about management, while I am talking about technique track.
it's different. when you get graduated with your PHD, some white kids with
BS already get in a management track, it's different concept.
my statement is in a technique track, PHD must dominate BS.
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 你就慢慢yy吧。。。我保证你未来的老板很多就是学历比你低不少，你还得天天kiss
: ass。。
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s*******h
发帖数: 3731 | 21 你搞笑了。。很多team leader就是BS毕业。。。你没见过，不见的就没有。。
药厂的很多药，就是很多低层次技术人员瞎搞出来的。。我一个哥们，在AZ，原来学高
分子和无机的，后来混进了药厂。。。有2个分子进了clinical trial。。。一堆一堆
的博士，屁也没有。。
化工厂的工程部，BS的人当technical lead的不要太多。。。
博士的所谓training，在业界绝大部分时候，真的是狗屎。。。
.
【在 f*****n 的大作中提到】
: you are talking about management, while I am talking about technique track.
: it's different. when you get graduated with your PHD, some white kids with
: BS already get in a management track, it's different concept.
: my statement is in a technique track, PHD must dominate BS.
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S***x
发帖数: 2012 | 22 lol
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 你搞笑了。。很多team leader就是BS毕业。。。你没见过，不见的就没有。。
: 药厂的很多药，就是很多低层次技术人员瞎搞出来的。。我一个哥们，在AZ，原来学高
: 分子和无机的，后来混进了药厂。。。有2个分子进了clinical trial。。。一堆一堆
: 的博士，屁也没有。。
: 化工厂的工程部，BS的人当technical lead的不要太多。。。
: 博士的所谓training，在业界绝大部分时候，真的是狗屎。。。
:
: .
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s*******h
发帖数: 3731 | 23 多谢捧场。。本人本科毕业。。。。
【在 S***x 的大作中提到】
: lol
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c******h
发帖数: 4573 | 24 本科，硕士在工业界拿诺奖的也有几个啊
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 操，您老博士毕业没有？工业界混了几年了？
: 大公司里技术和工程做到最上层的有很多人就是本科毕业。。。
: 学位就是屎，还不如手纸。。。。
:
: graduate
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s*******h
发帖数: 3731 | 25 多谢老弟支持我的手纸论。。。怎么也比屎哥的大腿论高级一点。。。
【在 c******h 的大作中提到】
: 本科，硕士在工业界拿诺奖的也有几个啊
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c******h
发帖数: 4573 | 26 为啥非要用英语灌水啊，看起来好吃力
.
【在 f*****n 的大作中提到】
: you are talking about management, while I am talking about technique track.
: it's different. when you get graduated with your PHD, some white kids with
: BS already get in a management track, it's different concept.
: my statement is in a technique track, PHD must dominate BS.
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c******h
发帖数: 4573 | 27 我老板上课时候就举过Pedersen的例子。。。我算是记住这位大牛了
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 多谢老弟支持我的手纸论。。。怎么也比屎哥的大腿论高级一点。。。
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s*******h
发帖数: 3731 | 28 对老头子来讲没啥用啊。。。真的就是拿了一点奖金。得奖后不久就挂了。。
【在 c******h 的大作中提到】
: 我老板上课时候就举过Pedersen的例子。。。我算是记住这位大牛了
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c******h
发帖数: 4573 | 29 总比F. A. Cotton强吧
等一辈子等不到，然后挂掉了
哈哈
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 对老头子来讲没啥用啊。。。真的就是拿了一点奖金。得奖后不久就挂了。。
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s*******h
发帖数: 3731 | 30 cotton地位在那里啊。。。
话说cotton出去做报告，那真挑最贵的酒点啊。。。
【在 c******h 的大作中提到】
: 总比F. A. Cotton强吧
: 等一辈子等不到，然后挂掉了
: 哈哈
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c******h
发帖数: 4573 | 31 那也是总差这一点啊
老头的成就拿诺奖是在是没问题的
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: cotton地位在那里啊。。。
: 话说cotton出去做报告，那真挑最贵的酒点啊。。。
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f*****n
发帖数: 970 | 32 I heard some professors worked in Cotton's lab in the early 90's, they are
all becoming known people nowadays
【在 c******h 的大作中提到】
: 总比F. A. Cotton强吧
: 等一辈子等不到，然后挂掉了
: 哈哈
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u***n
发帖数: 1263 | 33 for example, supertech..
【在 f*****n 的大作中提到】
: I heard some professors worked in Cotton's lab in the early 90's, they are
: all becoming known people nowadays
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f*****n
发帖数: 970 | 34 really? supertech worked in Cotton's lab before?
【在 u***n 的大作中提到】
: for example, supertech..
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s*******h
发帖数: 3731 | 35 尼玛，我和李帕得有些渊源，但是也不是太近哈。。。
【在 u***n 的大作中提到】
: for example, supertech..
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S***x
发帖数: 2012 | 36 我笑而不语
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 多谢捧场。。本人本科毕业。。。。
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S***x
发帖数: 2012 | 37 得饶人处且饶人。中国人在这边还不是为了混口饭吃，本科如果能来美国找到工作，谁
还去读博士呀。博士虽然眼高手低，但没有功劳也有苦劳，就少说几句吧。
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 你搞笑了。。很多team leader就是BS毕业。。。你没见过，不见的就没有。。
: 药厂的很多药，就是很多低层次技术人员瞎搞出来的。。我一个哥们，在AZ，原来学高
: 分子和无机的，后来混进了药厂。。。有2个分子进了clinical trial。。。一堆一堆
: 的博士，屁也没有。。
: 化工厂的工程部，BS的人当technical lead的不要太多。。。
: 博士的所谓training，在业界绝大部分时候，真的是狗屎。。。
:
: .
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s*******h
发帖数: 3731 | 38 我没有不饶人啊。。。
对于和学术界不脱节的工作，那真是恭喜韦爵爷，贺喜韦爵爷。。
但是很多工作，和学校学的东西，脱节很大。。化工厂一般的工厂寿命是30年以上，你
说发配你去哪里，你拿着你学的新科技，没用啊。。还得拿出20年前的文档，撅着屁股
找毛病。。。
【在 S***x 的大作中提到】
: 得饶人处且饶人。中国人在这边还不是为了混口饭吃，本科如果能来美国找到工作，谁
: 还去读博士呀。博士虽然眼高手低，但没有功劳也有苦劳，就少说几句吧。
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N***n
发帖数: 660 | 39 哈哈 他如果进公司刚开始也是report给 principal scientist, senior principal
scientist这些，phd当这些得多，等他干个十年，能report到assco dir, dir什么的才
能体验到BS的威力
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 你就慢慢yy吧。。。我保证你未来的老板很多就是学历比你低不少，你还得天天kiss
: ass。。
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c*****m
发帖数: 2191 | 40 超工V5
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 你搞笑了。。很多team leader就是BS毕业。。。你没见过，不见的就没有。。
: 药厂的很多药，就是很多低层次技术人员瞎搞出来的。。我一个哥们，在AZ，原来学高
: 分子和无机的，后来混进了药厂。。。有2个分子进了clinical trial。。。一堆一堆
: 的博士，屁也没有。。
: 化工厂的工程部，BS的人当technical lead的不要太多。。。
: 博士的所谓training，在业界绝大部分时候，真的是狗屎。。。
:
: .
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c*****m
发帖数: 2191 | 41 re
坚决反对用英语灌水
纯属吃饱了撑的
【在 c******h 的大作中提到】
: 为啥非要用英语灌水啊，看起来好吃力
:
: .
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n***a
发帖数: 54 | 42 这个说的太对了。才听说个有各VP是高中毕业30年从工厂操作工一步一步升上去的，几
千人的公司。
搞技术做实验一群群的phd拿手的很，到头来项目管理还不是给BS+MBA指来指去的
【在 N***n 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈 他如果进公司刚开始也是report给 principal scientist, senior principal
: scientist这些，phd当这些得多，等他干个十年，能report到assco dir, dir什么的才
: 能体验到BS的威力
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I********e
发帖数: 1843 | 43 This is totally bulls___!
【在 e****2 的大作中提到】
: 一般来说国内硕士或者本科毕业工作十年后，收入到50万人民币不成问题。
: 现在说起国外的，张口就是那些穷薄厚，受罪呀 ，真造孽！
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m*******r
发帖数: 3635 | |
