y********e
发帖数: 39 | 1 是帮一个朋友问的：他本科不是会计专业的（计算机一类的），目前是在四大工作的第
三年。他想申请美国的会计PHD，不知道四大的工作经历能不能弥补其非会计专业的弱
点呢？
还有如果能够等升到manager再申请，是不是会有更大的优势呢？
谢谢大家! |
z*******g
发帖数: 2429 | 2 He has hands-on experience from a nice accounting firm, which is way more
valuable than a basically non-sense econ master when you apply for an
ACCOUNTING PHD.
Who gives a damn to econ? In business school, econ professors only teach
fundamental courses and make way less than accounting, finance or marketing
professors.
Big 4 exp. is definitely helpful when you apply for accounting PHD. Many
accounting professors used to work for Big 4 in their early careers. They
will like candidates who have |
a**n
发帖数: 3801 | 3 you must be kidding..
marketing
【在 z*******g 的大作中提到】
: He has hands-on experience from a nice accounting firm, which is way more
: valuable than a basically non-sense econ master when you apply for an
: ACCOUNTING PHD.
: Who gives a damn to econ? In business school, econ professors only teach
: fundamental courses and make way less than accounting, finance or marketing
: professors.
: Big 4 exp. is definitely helpful when you apply for accounting PHD. Many
: accounting professors used to work for Big 4 in their early careers. They
: will like candidates who have
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z*******g
发帖数: 2429 | 4 Too bad people who actually know nothing about accounting profession think
that they know everything.
BTW, Economic is not even a legitimate major in most business schools.
【在 a**n 的大作中提到】
: you must be kidding..
:
: marketing
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y********e
发帖数: 39 | 5 谢谢楼上的朋友，其实我朋友也算是公司里面非常优秀的人才，而且我觉得在公司里面
成长也非常快，至少我以前觉得如果你在里面做地越久，那么你和会计类专业出身的学
生在申请上的差距也就越小。至于，楼上一个朋友问有什么优势。我自己的想法是：你
都独立做了三四个IPO上市了，难道你将来在研究此类问题的时候会比不上一个什么都
不懂的经济小硕？
但问题是，我不知道会计是不是一个研究和应用脱离的学科？所以我又觉得那个朋友讲
地也有道理。因为我自己是学MIS的，我知道MIS的研究和应用完全是两回事。你在SAP
工作十年，对MIS的研究可以说几乎没什么帮助，甚至比不上一个读社会学的小本。 |
z*******g
发帖数: 2429 | 6 Usually, there are only couple of economic lecturers, sometimes professors,
in business schools.
These econ lecturers/professors only teach the basic stuff for first year of
undergraduate or MBA. They don't teach anything advanced.
In business schools, people have accounting major, finance major,
information major and marketing major, etc. There are no Economic major or
dept. because no business student will be that stupid to choose Economic as
a major. Economic lecturers/professors are jus |
m********5
发帖数: 619 | 7 a good econ background will get one through the first two years in the
program
and the rest of his career
big four experience will make one look like an accountant
both are important for an applicant to stand out
there is no point to compare the two
but let's face it
one cannot learn enough econometrics stuff from a econ master program
just as one cannot get enough business sense just by working a few years in
a
CPA firm
in my opinion, go read the top accounting/finance journals, and show
one's
【在 z*******g 的大作中提到】
: He has hands-on experience from a nice accounting firm, which is way more
: valuable than a basically non-sense econ master when you apply for an
: ACCOUNTING PHD.
: Who gives a damn to econ? In business school, econ professors only teach
: fundamental courses and make way less than accounting, finance or marketing
: professors.
: Big 4 exp. is definitely helpful when you apply for accounting PHD. Many
: accounting professors used to work for Big 4 in their early careers. They
: will like candidates who have
|
m********5
发帖数: 619 | 8 IPO is corporate finance
accounting ppl won't be that interested
so tell him not to sell himself that way in his application package
SAP
【在 y********e 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢楼上的朋友，其实我朋友也算是公司里面非常优秀的人才，而且我觉得在公司里面
: 成长也非常快，至少我以前觉得如果你在里面做地越久，那么你和会计类专业出身的学
: 生在申请上的差距也就越小。至于，楼上一个朋友问有什么优势。我自己的想法是：你
: 都独立做了三四个IPO上市了，难道你将来在研究此类问题的时候会比不上一个什么都
: 不懂的经济小硕？
: 但问题是，我不知道会计是不是一个研究和应用脱离的学科？所以我又觉得那个朋友讲
: 地也有道理。因为我自己是学MIS的，我知道MIS的研究和应用完全是两回事。你在SAP
: 工作十年，对MIS的研究可以说几乎没什么帮助，甚至比不上一个读社会学的小本。
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m********5
发帖数: 619 | 9 口味变化很大啊
目前top 学校的taste是
本科毕业top的美国学生或者欧洲学生
如果招中国人
一般现在都喜欢有工作经验的，MBA，或者怎么着也在big 4里面滚了几年的吧
口语要好
所谓的经济学数学那都在其次 |
m********5
发帖数: 619 | 10 啥叫门槛啊
我不都说了
the first thing, you have to convince ppl that you are an accountant
会计的人当然喜欢会计的人
要心理学的来干嘛 |
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n******t
发帖数: 4406 | 11 做IPO上市这些和学术界没什么关系，虽然是一门有用的技能。
就像你唱流行歌曲出CD了，不能说你报音乐学院会收你。
SAP
【在 y********e 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢楼上的朋友，其实我朋友也算是公司里面非常优秀的人才，而且我觉得在公司里面
: 成长也非常快，至少我以前觉得如果你在里面做地越久，那么你和会计类专业出身的学
: 生在申请上的差距也就越小。至于，楼上一个朋友问有什么优势。我自己的想法是：你
: 都独立做了三四个IPO上市了，难道你将来在研究此类问题的时候会比不上一个什么都
: 不懂的经济小硕？
: 但问题是，我不知道会计是不是一个研究和应用脱离的学科？所以我又觉得那个朋友讲
: 地也有道理。因为我自己是学MIS的，我知道MIS的研究和应用完全是两回事。你在SAP
: 工作十年，对MIS的研究可以说几乎没什么帮助，甚至比不上一个读社会学的小本。
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n******t
发帖数: 4406 | 12 MBA and Ph.D are not comparable.
,
of
or
as
【在 z*******g 的大作中提到】
: Usually, there are only couple of economic lecturers, sometimes professors,
: in business schools.
: These econ lecturers/professors only teach the basic stuff for first year of
: undergraduate or MBA. They don't teach anything advanced.
: In business schools, people have accounting major, finance major,
: information major and marketing major, etc. There are no Economic major or
: dept. because no business student will be that stupid to choose Economic as
: a major. Economic lecturers/professors are jus
|
s**********e
发帖数: 43 | 13 and also ipo is no big deal for auditors. just auditing severl years'
figures in a short period of time
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: 做IPO上市这些和学术界没什么关系，虽然是一门有用的技能。
: 就像你唱流行歌曲出CD了，不能说你报音乐学院会收你。
:
: SAP
|
k*****t
发帖数: 186 | 14 MIT的Accounting PhD program 根本没有直接从中国招过人。招的中国人都是在美国其
他学校读过书，还有工作过的。美国Top的Accounting PhD Program其实很少见有直接
从国内招过来的。有几个也是清北硕士毕业而且得到很好的推荐信的。国内的Big Four
工作经验，说实话，对申请好学校没什么用。如果是美国的Big Four当然不一样了，会
很有帮助。差一些的Program，也许会有帮助吧。 |
d********l
发帖数: 282 | 15 To add:
1. Experience in big4 is NOT required at all for top accounting program. Of
coz you can always argue it's better than none. For me, I had GS experience,
but who cares!
2. I'd say, econ background is more favorable by admission committee. That's
true coz for Ph.D. program, it's research oriented. Economics build up your
analytical skills and maths. In that regard, people with several years in
industry lack the advantage of maths, as proved by many of my peer who are
having great trouble s |
