c*******g
发帖数: 14 | 1 这个问题我本来是发在CD上的，可是好几天了也没人能回答，借此宝地，希望能遇到牛
人指点：
小弟工科PHD毕业，今年27，单身，在本行业一家以生产制造为主的大型公司做产品研
发，已经工作一年，工作很轻松，待遇也还好，但是也很无聊，适合养老。但我觉得在
美国这样虚耗日子难以持久，希望趁年轻在努力一回，打算下半年申请明年秋季的MBA
（目标top 10），如果full time 读书，机会成本有些高，还要放弃已经上交的绿卡申
请，倘若毕业后在美国不好找工作，就要直接回国。如果读part time的，又觉得有些
辛苦（我在麻省，附近最近的好一些的part time商学院只有NYU,开车单程4小时，要不
就每个礼拜坐飞机去芝加哥读），并且要再过好几年没有朋友交往的生活，并且读完以
后不如full time的转行方便。希望听听大家的意见，尤其是有类似经历的朋友，欢迎
指教！
另外，美国今年由于次贷危机，整体经济不景气，加上H1B名额限制的影响，非美国国
籍的MBA毕业好像不如以前那么风光。听朋友说MIT Sloan 商学院的就业网站上job
posting明显减少，而且所有公司都要求绿卡或者国籍， |
p***7
发帖数: 44 | |
B******e
发帖数: 378 | 3 part time, get green card and MBA at the same time.
MBA
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: 这个问题我本来是发在CD上的，可是好几天了也没人能回答，借此宝地，希望能遇到牛
: 人指点：
: 小弟工科PHD毕业，今年27，单身，在本行业一家以生产制造为主的大型公司做产品研
: 发，已经工作一年，工作很轻松，待遇也还好，但是也很无聊，适合养老。但我觉得在
: 美国这样虚耗日子难以持久，希望趁年轻在努力一回，打算下半年申请明年秋季的MBA
: （目标top 10），如果full time 读书，机会成本有些高，还要放弃已经上交的绿卡申
: 请，倘若毕业后在美国不好找工作，就要直接回国。如果读part time的，又觉得有些
: 辛苦（我在麻省，附近最近的好一些的part time商学院只有NYU,开车单程4小时，要不
: 就每个礼拜坐飞机去芝加哥读），并且要再过好几年没有朋友交往的生活，并且读完以
: 后不如full time的转行方便。希望听听大家的意见，尤其是有类似经历的朋友，欢迎
|
d*****y
发帖数: 1073 | 4 part time now or full time when you are 30 :) |
c*******g
发帖数: 14 | 5 Thanks a lot for all your suggestions. But part time is kind of awkward
status if it is not so popular in the job market. 30 will be too old for me.
I cannot enjoy the lonely life here for another 3 years. |
t****u
发帖数: 21 | 6 Why wait for 30? The average age for new admitted MBA students from top FT MBA programs is just 28...
【在 d*****y 的大作中提到】
: part time now or full time when you are 30 :)
|
P****D
发帖数: 11146 | 7 part-time
学什么都不如有绿卡。放弃什么也不能放弃绿卡。 |
t****u
发帖数: 21 | 8 MBA is two-year program, plus you will have crazy party life when you are in the
program :)
me.
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: Thanks a lot for all your suggestions. But part time is kind of awkward
: status if it is not so popular in the job market. 30 will be too old for me.
: I cannot enjoy the lonely life here for another 3 years.
|
c*******g
发帖数: 14 | 9 To tututu:
you are talking about what I am longing for. I am sure life will be more
enjoyable for the full time option. I believe I will return to China finally
. But to give up green card now is kind of risky. I am afraid that I will
not be able to find a job in US even with a top MBA due to my citizenship. |
c*********n
发帖数: 3 | 10 I work in a b-school, and I think full-time is much superior to part-time.
The short-term cost is higher, but the long-term ROI is infinitely higher.
In most part-time programs, you have extremely limited (if any) access to a
top school's career development resources, networking opportunities, alumni
support, faculty expertise etc.; in other words, it's not really a b-school
experience at all except for a diploma. If you can get into a top 10 b-
school, post-graduation career options are abundan |
|
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l*********2
发帖数: 121 | 11 PARTTIEM吧，感觉FULLTIME的价值在逐年丧失 |
o****n
发帖数: 599 | 12 别听这些人瞎掰。part-time基本是b-schools用来赚钱的，学校招part-time学生的标
准比full-time低得多。学校根本不在乎part-time的学生能不能找到工作，也不会提供
就业方面的帮助。
如果你想转行的话，读part-time基本没用。如果想在当前公司内部发展，part-time也
许会有点用。如果想读个part-time就换到其他行业基本不可行。
MBA
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: 这个问题我本来是发在CD上的，可是好几天了也没人能回答，借此宝地，希望能遇到牛
: 人指点：
: 小弟工科PHD毕业，今年27，单身，在本行业一家以生产制造为主的大型公司做产品研
: 发，已经工作一年，工作很轻松，待遇也还好，但是也很无聊，适合养老。但我觉得在
: 美国这样虚耗日子难以持久，希望趁年轻在努力一回，打算下半年申请明年秋季的MBA
: （目标top 10），如果full time 读书，机会成本有些高，还要放弃已经上交的绿卡申
: 请，倘若毕业后在美国不好找工作，就要直接回国。如果读part time的，又觉得有些
: 辛苦（我在麻省，附近最近的好一些的part time商学院只有NYU,开车单程4小时，要不
: 就每个礼拜坐飞机去芝加哥读），并且要再过好几年没有朋友交往的生活，并且读完以
: 后不如full time的转行方便。希望听听大家的意见，尤其是有类似经历的朋友，欢迎
|
l*******t
发帖数: 2 | 13 你如果已经提交了绿卡申请就没有办法转回F1签证去读full time了吧 |
c******7
发帖数: 2586 | 14 part-time的不能用来转行，但是如果你准备在你现在的industry那还是不错的。另外
，part-time你不会有太多机会发展自己的network.当然好处也有，就是不用放弃事业
和绿卡，有的公司还有学费补助，有的会给你全免学费 （这样的ROI 才是infinity,你
没有任何金钱上的负担)
至于full-time和part-time的含金量，从学位证书上是看不出来的，除非面试者问道，
很多时候两者并没有区别。 |
B**********r
发帖数: 544 | 15 打算转行的话还是Fulltime吧，特别是top10的。如果背景强的话可以申请到奖学金的
。不过一年工作经验少了些。
top b-school里有parttime program的不多，比较好的有stern, chicago GSB, Hass
和kellogg.要读parttime的话，还是在这几个里选比较好。 |
s******l
发帖数: 472 | 16 get green card first. at the same time, practice your people skills, and
start a small business. |
m*********t
发帖数: 54 | 17 if your company pays it, go for part-time. NPV will be much much higher than
FT.
MBA
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: 这个问题我本来是发在CD上的，可是好几天了也没人能回答，借此宝地，希望能遇到牛
: 人指点：
: 小弟工科PHD毕业，今年27，单身，在本行业一家以生产制造为主的大型公司做产品研
: 发，已经工作一年，工作很轻松，待遇也还好，但是也很无聊，适合养老。但我觉得在
: 美国这样虚耗日子难以持久，希望趁年轻在努力一回，打算下半年申请明年秋季的MBA
: （目标top 10），如果full time 读书，机会成本有些高，还要放弃已经上交的绿卡申
: 请，倘若毕业后在美国不好找工作，就要直接回国。如果读part time的，又觉得有些
: 辛苦（我在麻省，附近最近的好一些的part time商学院只有NYU,开车单程4小时，要不
: 就每个礼拜坐飞机去芝加哥读），并且要再过好几年没有朋友交往的生活，并且读完以
: 后不如full time的转行方便。希望听听大家的意见，尤其是有类似经历的朋友，欢迎
|
t****u
发帖数: 21 | 18 I agree with Crystalswan, I personally think FT MBA is better for you to
build your own network. Besides, it can be pretty fun if you socialize well
with other students...
finally
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: To tututu:
: you are talking about what I am longing for. I am sure life will be more
: enjoyable for the full time option. I believe I will return to China finally
: . But to give up green card now is kind of risky. I am afraid that I will
: not be able to find a job in US even with a top MBA due to my citizenship.
|
t****u
发帖数: 21 | 19 I think from your CV, employers can easily find out whether you are a FT MBA
or EMBA. They are totally different programs.
【在 c******7 的大作中提到】
: part-time的不能用来转行，但是如果你准备在你现在的industry那还是不错的。另外
: ，part-time你不会有太多机会发展自己的network.当然好处也有，就是不用放弃事业
: 和绿卡，有的公司还有学费补助，有的会给你全免学费 （这样的ROI 才是infinity,你
: 没有任何金钱上的负担)
: 至于full-time和part-time的含金量，从学位证书上是看不出来的，除非面试者问道，
: 很多时候两者并没有区别。
|
g*******f
发帖数: 1 | 20 part-time. I was a software engineer and got my MBA part-time after which I
was able to get an offer from a hedge fund as an analyst (non-quant because
my math sucks).
MBA
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: 这个问题我本来是发在CD上的，可是好几天了也没人能回答，借此宝地，希望能遇到牛
: 人指点：
: 小弟工科PHD毕业，今年27，单身，在本行业一家以生产制造为主的大型公司做产品研
: 发，已经工作一年，工作很轻松，待遇也还好，但是也很无聊，适合养老。但我觉得在
: 美国这样虚耗日子难以持久，希望趁年轻在努力一回，打算下半年申请明年秋季的MBA
: （目标top 10），如果full time 读书，机会成本有些高，还要放弃已经上交的绿卡申
: 请，倘若毕业后在美国不好找工作，就要直接回国。如果读part time的，又觉得有些
: 辛苦（我在麻省，附近最近的好一些的part time商学院只有NYU,开车单程4小时，要不
: 就每个礼拜坐飞机去芝加哥读），并且要再过好几年没有朋友交往的生活，并且读完以
: 后不如full time的转行方便。希望听听大家的意见，尤其是有类似经历的朋友，欢迎
|
|
|
c*******g
发帖数: 14 | 21 To globalfof:
Do you think it makes a big difference to choose BC/BU or to choose NYU/
UChicago for a part time MBA? They charge the same tuition, but the rankings
are quite diffrent.
I
because
【在 g*******f 的大作中提到】
: part-time. I was a software engineer and got my MBA part-time after which I
: was able to get an offer from a hedge fund as an analyst (non-quant because
: my math sucks).
:
: MBA
|
o****n
发帖数: 599 | 22 You can program in a hedge hund without a part-time MBA degree.
I
because
【在 g*******f 的大作中提到】
: part-time. I was a software engineer and got my MBA part-time after which I
: was able to get an offer from a hedge fund as an analyst (non-quant because
: my math sucks).
:
: MBA
|
t****u
发帖数: 21 | 23 Yes, that's exactly what I am gonna say too.
【在 o****n 的大作中提到】
: You can program in a hedge hund without a part-time MBA degree.
:
: I
: because
|
t****u
发帖数: 21 | 24 Sorry, I am not globalfof, but I believe ranking is the most important thing
when you consider a MBA
rankings
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: To globalfof:
: Do you think it makes a big difference to choose BC/BU or to choose NYU/
: UChicago for a part time MBA? They charge the same tuition, but the rankings
: are quite diffrent.
:
: I
: because
|
c*********n
发帖数: 3 | 25
It takes about five seconds for any recruiter reading your resume to figure
out whether you're a FT or PT MBA. Most of the biggest MBA employers (i-
banks, consulting firms etc) don't even hire PTs because 1) the admissions
bar is so low; 2) alumni networks are almost non-existent, and 3) summer
internship, which is critical to FT MBA job offers, is impossible for PTs.
【在 c******7 的大作中提到】
: part-time的不能用来转行，但是如果你准备在你现在的industry那还是不错的。另外
: ，part-time你不会有太多机会发展自己的network.当然好处也有，就是不用放弃事业
: 和绿卡，有的公司还有学费补助，有的会给你全免学费 （这样的ROI 才是infinity,你
: 没有任何金钱上的负担)
: 至于full-time和part-time的含金量，从学位证书上是看不出来的，除非面试者问道，
: 很多时候两者并没有区别。
|
v*h
发帖数: 3 | |
d*****y
发帖数: 1073 | 27 American newbs work from 23-28 is 5 years of work exp.
LZ will only work for 1-2 years by age 28.
by age 30, LZ can apply with 4 years of work exp which is excellent. plus
asians look young, having a
slight mature look will get you a better salary package (personal lesson, no
kidding!)
if LZ is lonely, I can hook him up with a hot ABViet girl up in Mass,
interested? :D
MBA programs is just
28...
【在 t****u 的大作中提到】
: Why wait for 30? The average age for new admitted MBA students from top FT MBA programs is just 28...
|
d*****y
发帖数: 1073 | 28 Socialize with other MBA students? then dont come to rank 10-30 midwest
schools, full of international
douchbags from Korea and Thai who wont do shit for group work.
well
【在 t****u 的大作中提到】
: I agree with Crystalswan, I personally think FT MBA is better for you to
: build your own network. Besides, it can be pretty fun if you socialize well
: with other students...
:
: finally
|
n*j
发帖数: 5 | 29 Speaking of network, I've always been wondering how important and how the
network
can actually help for the future career? Let's say you graduate with a MBA,
work for a few years, reach the glass ceiling, and get fired. What's the
chance for your years-ago MBA classmates to help you get a new job? If you
are not fired, how your network is gonna help with your internal promotion
in the same company or jumping to another company? I always wonder how tight
the MBA-ties are, compared to other years-
【在 c*********n 的大作中提到】
:
: It takes about five seconds for any recruiter reading your resume to figure
: out whether you're a FT or PT MBA. Most of the biggest MBA employers (i-
: banks, consulting firms etc) don't even hire PTs because 1) the admissions
: bar is so low; 2) alumni networks are almost non-existent, and 3) summer
: internship, which is critical to FT MBA job offers, is impossible for PTs.
|
o****n
发帖数: 599 | 30 街上的活种类多了去了。
ｔｏｐ ｓｃｈｏｏｌ 的ＭＢＡ做的那叫ｂｉｓｉｎｅｓｓ．ｐｈｄ干的那叫体力活。
差。 |
|
|
s********2
发帖数: 152 | 31 这 倒 是 ，也 有 的 是 三 流 学 校 毕 业 的 在 大 投 行 作 IT support， 号
称 也 是 街 上 的 混 的， 其 实 工 资 很 一 般 。 虽 说 MBA是 作 business，
但 没 什 么 真 才 实 学 ， 都 是 靠 吹 的 ， 所 以 裁 员 的 时 候 最 先 裁
的 就 是 这 批 人 ， 反 倒 是 作 quant的 PHD工 作 稳 定 。
活。
【在 o****n 的大作中提到】
: 街上的活种类多了去了。
: ｔｏｐ ｓｃｈｏｏｌ 的ＭＢＡ做的那叫ｂｉｓｉｎｅｓｓ．ｐｈｄ干的那叫体力活。
:
: 差。
|
b********x
发帖数: 6 | 32 本来就在IB混的，读PT还是FT好呢？或者就别读了？ |
o****n
发帖数: 599 | 33 对于很多人来说ＭＢＡ其实是ｌｏｓｅｒ＇ｓ ｇａｍｅ．混不上去了才去读ＭＢＡ。
ＣＥＯ们有几个是ＭＢＡ？
【在 b********x 的大作中提到】
: 本来就在IB混的，读PT还是FT好呢？或者就别读了？
|
s**********i
发帖数: 4 | 34 Going to MBA would be the biggest waste for your life and money. It is
worthy nothing. If you want to do business, just go ahead without any degree
. |
c*******g
发帖数: 14 | 35 My current problem is that I am single. I do not enjoy the lonely stay in my
current position. Any longer stay seems to be a waste of my current
advantage in age. A green card will not do me any favor with regard to this
point. Gaining some experience and returning to China are my current plan
for the next five years.
差。 |
f*******d
发帖数: 19 | 36 part time
如果是fulltime, 你如何搞F-1学生身份？你是递交过GC申请的人。 |
o****n
发帖数: 599 | 37 不是说读个MBA就能回国找好工作了。问问国内招人时候需要多少国内的工作经验就知
道了。
my
this
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: My current problem is that I am single. I do not enjoy the lonely stay in my
: current position. Any longer stay seems to be a waste of my current
: advantage in age. A green card will not do me any favor with regard to this
: point. Gaining some experience and returning to China are my current plan
: for the next five years.
:
: 差。
|
b******y
发帖数: 9224 | 38 MBA is Married But Available. Hehe. Kidding.
But, I don't see any huge value of getting an MBA, either part time or full
time. With your Ph.D degree, it is enough proof of your ability to succeed.
To me, MBA are for people that want to be in middle management position. To
be a real entrepreneur, you don't need MBA. But you need diligent work and
street smart, to excel. |
x***t
发帖数: 332 | 39 我想知道，你若是FULL TIME，你的身份如何搞定？你已是485PENDING？万一在读的时
候，处理你的案子，发现你没有工作，不是要拒你了吗？
所以，不是你想不想的问题，而是你只能是PART TIME 啊。 |
c*******g
发帖数: 14 | 40 To xbzht:
我几个月前刚提交I-140,正因为提交的晚，等待绿卡将遥遥无期。我今年的H-1B已经抽
中，10月以后生效，但是我还不清楚是否提交了绿卡申请就不能由H-1B转回F-1?如果我
愿意放弃绿卡申请呢？生命真是在于折腾，唉。。。
【在 x***t 的大作中提到】
: 我想知道，你若是FULL TIME，你的身份如何搞定？你已是485PENDING？万一在读的时
: 候，处理你的案子，发现你没有工作，不是要拒你了吗？
: 所以，不是你想不想的问题，而是你只能是PART TIME 啊。
|
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t*****g
发帖数: 205 | 41 What about
MIT Sloan Fellows Program
It can be a two year part time program. You get a MBA degree.
MBA
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: 这个问题我本来是发在CD上的，可是好几天了也没人能回答，借此宝地，希望能遇到牛
: 人指点：
: 小弟工科PHD毕业，今年27，单身，在本行业一家以生产制造为主的大型公司做产品研
: 发，已经工作一年，工作很轻松，待遇也还好，但是也很无聊，适合养老。但我觉得在
: 美国这样虚耗日子难以持久，希望趁年轻在努力一回，打算下半年申请明年秋季的MBA
: （目标top 10），如果full time 读书，机会成本有些高，还要放弃已经上交的绿卡申
: 请，倘若毕业后在美国不好找工作，就要直接回国。如果读part time的，又觉得有些
: 辛苦（我在麻省，附近最近的好一些的part time商学院只有NYU,开车单程4小时，要不
: 就每个礼拜坐飞机去芝加哥读），并且要再过好几年没有朋友交往的生活，并且读完以
: 后不如full time的转行方便。希望听听大家的意见，尤其是有类似经历的朋友，欢迎
|
b*******g
发帖数: 45 | 42 已经递交绿卡申请好像不能再转回F-1，这是我目前了解的信息，我现在也有这样的问
题，好像full-time基本不可能。 |
l*****u
发帖数: 1788 | 43 parttime就是给你个机会认识人的，一般都不会给什么intern的机会。
这个选择，看你想要什么，在乎什么了。 |
l*****u
发帖数: 1788 | 44 而且，在制造行业干得好好的，为啥就非要读MBA呢，想不通，那种生活你确定你喜欢
，你能应付？因为不见得比你现在收入高哪儿去。
在大公司混日子挺好的，有想法的话就自己干啊。
读了MBA还不是要给人家打工。 |
p*******e
发帖数: 763 | 45 re
MBA
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: 这个问题我本来是发在CD上的，可是好几天了也没人能回答，借此宝地，希望能遇到牛
: 人指点：
: 小弟工科PHD毕业，今年27，单身，在本行业一家以生产制造为主的大型公司做产品研
: 发，已经工作一年，工作很轻松，待遇也还好，但是也很无聊，适合养老。但我觉得在
: 美国这样虚耗日子难以持久，希望趁年轻在努力一回，打算下半年申请明年秋季的MBA
: （目标top 10），如果full time 读书，机会成本有些高，还要放弃已经上交的绿卡申
: 请，倘若毕业后在美国不好找工作，就要直接回国。如果读part time的，又觉得有些
: 辛苦（我在麻省，附近最近的好一些的part time商学院只有NYU,开车单程4小时，要不
: 就每个礼拜坐飞机去芝加哥读），并且要再过好几年没有朋友交往的生活，并且读完以
: 后不如full time的转行方便。希望听听大家的意见，尤其是有类似经历的朋友，欢迎
|
s********l
发帖数: 20 | 46 提交140以后已经表明有移民倾向，转F1有问题，据我所知。
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: To xbzht:
: 我几个月前刚提交I-140,正因为提交的晚，等待绿卡将遥遥无期。我今年的H-1B已经抽
: 中，10月以后生效，但是我还不清楚是否提交了绿卡申请就不能由H-1B转回F-1?如果我
: 愿意放弃绿卡申请呢？生命真是在于折腾，唉。。。
|
w*******a
发帖数: 105 | 47 I am also considering part-time MBA. I consulted my professors at schools,
both are americans. One is the dean of a department, the other is a young
professor from Stanford. We have pretty good personal relationships. They
both encourage me to go to part-time MBA in a top business school. They
believe such investment will be worthwhile.
I think if you make your decision. Just go ahead. Everyone is different.
Failure of the others doesn't mean that you will also fail.
Just my two cents. |
c*******g
发帖数: 14 | 48 Are those two professors from Biz-schools?
【在 w*******a 的大作中提到】
: I am also considering part-time MBA. I consulted my professors at schools,
: both are americans. One is the dean of a department, the other is a young
: professor from Stanford. We have pretty good personal relationships. They
: both encourage me to go to part-time MBA in a top business school. They
: believe such investment will be worthwhile.
: I think if you make your decision. Just go ahead. Everyone is different.
: Failure of the others doesn't mean that you will also fail.
: Just my two cents.
|
l***a
发帖数: 170 | 49 LZ的问题我也同样遇到过，考虑的结果是part time更适合我一些。不过我们情况不尽
相同哈，导致我做决定的因素是： １）公司报销一半学费；２）另一半学费可以用
federal loan，不用付现钱；３）还要pay mortgage，工作不能丢；４）最重要的，在
目前的公司里干的还好，不想转行。
到了学校以后，很多课是full time和part time一起上的，我认真对比了full time和
part time的学生。full time的上课更投入，也更象一个圈子里的；part time的实际
经验较多，但是明显投入不够。networking，课外活动的机会，不用说，part time差
很多，毕竟时间不允许。而且决大多数full time学生参加networking的唯一动机就是
找工作，part time这个动机不明显，所以参与不积极。
很多人的薪水比full time能拿到的起薪要高，读part time就是给自己找点事干，并且
留条后路。LZ应该是这种情况。
总之，想要靠MBA来脱胎换骨的，千万别读part time, part time是给人锦上添花用的
。这么说吧， |
k****a
发帖数: 309 | 50 Most Chinese Sloan Fellows are already mid/high level executives, I think
you need 10+ years work experience to apply.
If you got admitted (luckily) without such background, it might not help
your your career that much.
Some people think MBA degree itself is quite an achievement, especially a
top one, and they don't seem to be concerned with the financial return of
the degree. I think top school MBA is the easiest degree to get for top
brand name chasers(college degree? too old. PHD? too tough.
【在 t*****g 的大作中提到】
: What about
: MIT Sloan Fellows Program
: It can be a two year part time program. You get a MBA degree.
:
: MBA
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o*********e
发帖数: 2452 | 51 haha, cannot agree with you more!
【在 o****n 的大作中提到】
: 对于很多人来说ＭＢＡ其实是ｌｏｓｅｒ＇ｓ ｇａｍｅ．混不上去了才去读ＭＢＡ。
: ＣＥＯ们有几个是ＭＢＡ？
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c*******g
发帖数: 14 | 52 I submitted I-140 as most other PhD's do, just for backup.
I did not know that I cannot transfer back to F-1 after submitting I-140. |
t***g
发帖数: 387 | 53 This is actually pretty simple decision.
Are you planning to stay in your current job/field? If yes, then go for the
part-time.
If you are bored with what you do and want to switch career to something
else, Full Time is your only choice.
But honestly, with only 1 year of experience, I think your chance of getting
into a FT top 10 program is VERY slim. |
t****u
发帖数: 21 | 54 As far as I know, Chinese guys (including ABCs) don't like ABV girls that
much, even though some of them are pretty hot...
Sigh, we Chinese ppl have prejudice against other races...
no
【在 d*****y 的大作中提到】
: American newbs work from 23-28 is 5 years of work exp.
: LZ will only work for 1-2 years by age 28.
: by age 30, LZ can apply with 4 years of work exp which is excellent. plus
: asians look young, having a
: slight mature look will get you a better salary package (personal lesson, no
: kidding!)
: if LZ is lonely, I can hook him up with a hot ABViet girl up in Mass,
: interested? :D
:
: MBA programs is just
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t****u
发帖数: 21 | 55 Right.
The cost for PT MBA is around $120k for two year program, the cost for FT
MBA is around $320k(your foregone $80k/yr salary+$40K/yr tuition+$40k/yr
living expences, simple way of calculating, not consider tax) for two year.
So you need a huge salary raise to breakeven your investment....
the
getting
【在 t***g 的大作中提到】
: This is actually pretty simple decision.
: Are you planning to stay in your current job/field? If yes, then go for the
: part-time.
: If you are bored with what you do and want to switch career to something
: else, Full Time is your only choice.
: But honestly, with only 1 year of experience, I think your chance of getting
: into a FT top 10 program is VERY slim.
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l*****9
发帖数: 37 | 56 I think you should go for full time.
I don't think you cannot transfer back to F1. What is your I-140 status? If it is approved, transfering to F1 probaly will forfeit your I-140. If it is pending or rejected, you will be just fine except you might have hard time to get a visa stamp outside U.S.
If your I-140 is approved, if it were me, I would wait until the submission of
485. You can go to school with 485 pending.
Besides, there is still one year to go before the school. You will have one yea
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: I submitted I-140 as most other PhD's do, just for backup.
: I did not know that I cannot transfer back to F-1 after submitting I-140.
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T******n
发帖数: 13 | 57 When in the 485 pending stage, you cannot transfer to F1 right?
If you get RFE for any reason, how do you approve that you are still working
full time in the industry? And schools will definitely ask for your
immigration
status after registration, can you just say you are 485 pending? Unless you
are
the dependant.
If it is approved, transfering to F1 probaly will forfeit your I-140. If it
is pending or rejected, you will be just fine except you might have hard
time to get a visa stamp outside
【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: I think you should go for full time.
: I don't think you cannot transfer back to F1. What is your I-140 status? If it is approved, transfering to F1 probaly will forfeit your I-140. If it is pending or rejected, you will be just fine except you might have hard time to get a visa stamp outside U.S.
: If your I-140 is approved, if it were me, I would wait until the submission of
: 485. You can go to school with 485 pending.
: Besides, there is still one year to go before the school. You will have one yea
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c*******g
发帖数: 14 | 58 Lilac29:
Are you sure that I can go to school with 485 pending? I checked with my
attorney, they said that I have to get the final GC before I can change my
status. I20 may not be approved if I have sumbitted GC petition. I will
double check it with the people in the schools.
If it is approved, transfering to F1 probaly will forfeit your I-140. If it
is pending or rejected, you will be just fine except you might have hard
time to get a visa stamp outside U.S.
submission of
one year to submit y
【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: I think you should go for full time.
: I don't think you cannot transfer back to F1. What is your I-140 status? If it is approved, transfering to F1 probaly will forfeit your I-140. If it is pending or rejected, you will be just fine except you might have hard time to get a visa stamp outside U.S.
: If your I-140 is approved, if it were me, I would wait until the submission of
: 485. You can go to school with 485 pending.
: Besides, there is still one year to go before the school. You will have one yea
|
s******n
发帖数: 340 | 59 You attorney is right. You cannot go to school with a pending 485.
Coz, you need to be employed to get the GC! |
q*******c
发帖数: 114 | 60 这个简单问题都想不清楚，还读个p阿，读了也白读，而且我觉得你想进前１０位 商学
院也没有想象中容易。 |
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n****g
发帖数: 1245 | 61 肯定是FULL TIME 啦。。。。。不过去读书前先拿到绿卡，还有找到自己的另一半，这
个另一半最好是工作的。。。。。拿到绿卡再去读书，一点不迟。。。 |
e*****n
发帖数: 124 | 62 he may finish the school (2 years) before the GC is approved (3+ years
waiting while 485 pending currently)
【在 s******n 的大作中提到】
: You attorney is right. You cannot go to school with a pending 485.
: Coz, you need to be employed to get the GC!
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i*****r
发帖数: 318 | 63 我觉得咱中国人的名校情节太严重了。楼主也是太能折腾了。找个姑娘，释放释放你多
余的精子，就不会考虑每周末做飞机去芝加哥上课了。
真是太能折腾了。我看着都觉得累。
我原来老板老板让我跟着他继续免费读part time phd我都不去读了。 |
l*****9
发帖数: 37 | 64 After I-485 pending for six month in the case of employer-sponsed green card
appliaction(in the case of eb2-NIW, there is supposedly no waiting period),
you can go to school. I know a couple of friends who did that. One did LC,
the other NIW.
While waiting for the 485 submission, you can start dating. Maybe you will
find the right one before going to school.
it
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: Lilac29:
: Are you sure that I can go to school with 485 pending? I checked with my
: attorney, they said that I have to get the final GC before I can change my
: status. I20 may not be approved if I have sumbitted GC petition. I will
: double check it with the people in the schools.
:
: If it is approved, transfering to F1 probaly will forfeit your I-140. If it
: is pending or rejected, you will be just fine except you might have hard
: time to get a visa stamp outside U.S.
: submission of
|
x***t
发帖数: 332 | 65 理论上作为485 PENDING身份是可以在学校里FULL TIME的,但是问题是,在审你案子的时
候,你是必须有工作的.但移民局什么时候看你的案子,是不知道的.所以通常大家是不会
冒险去念FULL TIME.
若是你想不要GC再转为F1,因为F1是不许移民的.你可能被拒.除非你有非常强硬的理由,
你不想移民.但问题是移民局的一帮人脑筋一向不太正常,若是你碰到一个对移民非常反
感的人批你的案子,你被拒,你也没有地方去哭.
或你可以找一份FULL TIME 的工作,WORK FROM HOME之类的,FULL TIME 念书,也没关系,
只有你身份还是PENDING,H1B.就是太累了.
还有一种冒险的方法,就是找一个CONTRACTOR的公司.挂职.你去FULL TIME念书.
以上种种,都是有风险的.移民官批案子很主观的.任何一种情况都会被拒.
所以我说,你想想清楚.搞清问题.再做打算.
事实上,GC什么时候可以下来,真不是掌握在自己的手里.也许,那个什么案子批下来,大
家马上就可以绿了,你也就可以FULL TIME了.不要多想了.做好自己可以做的事. |
p*****p
发帖数: 406 | 66 看得直糊涂，我现在是H4,如果ld申请绿卡，那我是不是也不能转F1,即使是H4好像也是
移民倾向，但好像还可以转成F1,那我们申请绿卡，是不是连这点可能也没了呢，请指
教 |
p*****p
发帖数: 406 | 67 看得直糊涂，我现在是H4,如果ld申请绿卡，那我是不是也不能转F1,即使是H4好像也是
移民倾向，但好像还可以转成F1,那我们申请绿卡，是不是连这点可能也没了呢，请指
教 |
c*******g
发帖数: 14 | 68 如果你不是直接申请人，你可以在485 pending的时候读书，我有朋友是这么干的。但
是要转成F-1，这个可能没必要吧，h-4不是可以直接读书的吗？
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 看得直糊涂，我现在是H4,如果ld申请绿卡，那我是不是也不能转F1,即使是H4好像也是
: 移民倾向，但好像还可以转成F1,那我们申请绿卡，是不是连这点可能也没了呢，请指
: 教
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p*****p
发帖数: 406 | 69 想暑假的时候找intern，毕业的时候怕没有工卡，想用一年的opt,H4虽然可以读书，但
是没法找工作啊 |
r****d
发帖数: 93 | 70 I can give u some comments based on my personal experience. I am an engineer
with PhD and working in a big company. At the same time, I am doing the
Part-time MBA at NYU Stern. I am also in the process to get the green card (
I-140 was approved).
My personal recommendation is fo for the part-time mainly from green-card
and money. If you wanna the green card in the States, don't give up in the
middle. You never know how long you will wait again next time. My company
paid the full tuition for me s |
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c*******g
发帖数: 14 | 71 To rtmchd:
My company will pay 9K/year for my part time. I have to pay another 35k by
myself. Do you think NYU stern part time worth that money and time? Are you
going to get the same MBA diploma as a full time student? Coz I know that
Stern part-time and full-time are seperately administered.
engineer
(
However
【在 r****d 的大作中提到】
: I can give u some comments based on my personal experience. I am an engineer
: with PhD and working in a big company. At the same time, I am doing the
: Part-time MBA at NYU Stern. I am also in the process to get the green card (
: I-140 was approved).
: My personal recommendation is fo for the part-time mainly from green-card
: and money. If you wanna the green card in the States, don't give up in the
: middle. You never know how long you will wait again next time. My company
: paid the full tuition for me s
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l******p
发帖数: 149 | 72 9K is pre-tax or after tax? Either way, it's too little
Try to find another company with better tuition reimbursement policy
you
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: To rtmchd:
: My company will pay 9K/year for my part time. I have to pay another 35k by
: myself. Do you think NYU stern part time worth that money and time? Are you
: going to get the same MBA diploma as a full time student? Coz I know that
: Stern part-time and full-time are seperately administered.
:
: engineer
: (
: However
|
A*L
发帖数: 2357 | 73 then longer years to maximaz your deduction if you want to save that a
little
【在 l******p 的大作中提到】
: 9K is pre-tax or after tax? Either way, it's too little
: Try to find another company with better tuition reimbursement policy
:
: you
|
b*******g
发帖数: 45 | 74 有些英文真是...啧啧...大家说中文吧。
F1转不了还有什么好考虑的 period |
J*********r
发帖数: 5921 | 75 理解楼主的心情。只是没想到递交绿卡申请还不能转回F1，之前没有了解。
原来大家要么拿到绿卡，要么不递交绿卡再去申请，现在的问题是绿卡不知道什么
时候拿到，如果拖个五六年，也是难熬的日子，想必楼主担忧的是这点吧。
还有要考虑的就是楼主的职业规划了，你是打算转行么？如果想在本行一直干下去，
在美积累几年工作经验直接回国更划算，不用MBA。大部分人都是为了转行而念MBA的。
MBA
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】
: 这个问题我本来是发在CD上的，可是好几天了也没人能回答，借此宝地，希望能遇到牛
: 人指点：
: 小弟工科PHD毕业，今年27，单身，在本行业一家以生产制造为主的大型公司做产品研
: 发，已经工作一年，工作很轻松，待遇也还好，但是也很无聊，适合养老。但我觉得在
: 美国这样虚耗日子难以持久，希望趁年轻在努力一回，打算下半年申请明年秋季的MBA
: （目标top 10），如果full time 读书，机会成本有些高，还要放弃已经上交的绿卡申
: 请，倘若毕业后在美国不好找工作，就要直接回国。如果读part time的，又觉得有些
: 辛苦（我在麻省，附近最近的好一些的part time商学院只有NYU,开车单程4小时，要不
: 就每个礼拜坐飞机去芝加哥读），并且要再过好几年没有朋友交往的生活，并且读完以
: 后不如full time的转行方便。希望听听大家的意见，尤其是有类似经历的朋友，欢迎
|
y******6
发帖数: 2 | 76 关注这个贴子好几天了， 实在忍不住，上来提几个问题，希望得到楼主和其他朋友的
建议。
我是今年8月硕士毕业，本想继续读书的，但在波士顿找到了工作，是个不错的公司，
作为一个女生，我认为这份工作比较稳定一些，压力也不是那么大，所以我选择先去工
作和办身份。在工作的同时，我想读part time 的MBA,公司说可以付 90% 的学费。 我
的问题是：
1.如果是这样的话，我的学费负担是不是还是很大？
2.请问除了NYU， 波士顿附近还有没有其他相对好一些的商学院可以考虑？
3.part time 和full time 的真正差别在那里。
4.另外，工作后，生活真的会很无聊吗？我都有些害怕走出校园了。 |
c*******g
发帖数: 14 | 77 To yujie016:
I am so sorry that I can only input English by the Company computer.
Please check following for my answers.
You pay 10% tuition. That is only a few thousand dollors per year, which can
also reduce your tax. So it should not be a burden to you.
I am living in metro-Boston too. Only BC/BU/Babson have relatively good part
-time programs. But you have to pay similar amount of tuition with NYU and
Chicago, and get a so-so degree. Do you think it is worthy?
BTW, if you are interested in
【在 y******6 的大作中提到】
: 关注这个贴子好几天了， 实在忍不住，上来提几个问题，希望得到楼主和其他朋友的
: 建议。
: 我是今年8月硕士毕业，本想继续读书的，但在波士顿找到了工作，是个不错的公司，
: 作为一个女生，我认为这份工作比较稳定一些，压力也不是那么大，所以我选择先去工
: 作和办身份。在工作的同时，我想读part time 的MBA,公司说可以付 90% 的学费。 我
: 的问题是：
: 1.如果是这样的话，我的学费负担是不是还是很大？
: 2.请问除了NYU， 波士顿附近还有没有其他相对好一些的商学院可以考虑？
: 3.part time 和full time 的真正差别在那里。
: 4.另外，工作后，生活真的会很无聊吗？我都有些害怕走出校园了。
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S***n
发帖数: 1582 | 78 ppl keep saying pt mba doesn't help in career switching.
this is so wrong from my observation.
well, i think for your case, if the immigration status doesn't hurt(i am not
sure if it's easy to switch back to f1), both ways work.
for pt, you won't get too much financial constrain and you don't need rush
into the job market. you still have time to evaluate your career path.
for ft, you will enjoy the colorful and stressful mba life but you are not
guaranteed to get a better job after graduation.
2 |
l***a
发帖数: 170 | 79
这个我表示同意。lz是个完全搞不清状况的。
【在 q*******c 的大作中提到】
: 这个简单问题都想不清楚，还读个p阿，读了也白读，而且我觉得你想进前１０位 商学
: 院也没有想象中容易。
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y******6
发帖数: 2 | 80 我想楼主的心情是可以理解的，人到了要做出取舍的时候都是很犹豫的。而且有愿望不
是件坏事啊，花同样的钱和同样的时间，为什么不能尽量争取更好的学校呢？lost了~~
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t***g
发帖数: 387 | 81 You have to look at MBA as a long term investment. It is not even about
your starting salary, it is about how much you will make 3-5 years down the
road.
As an engineer, it is pretty easy to reach an earning plateau, where there
is no more big raise in sight.
By getting a MBA and switch to frontoffice, it can raise your ceiling. Over
the long run, it definitely pays dividend.
Of course, this only applies to a top 10 program
【在 t****u 的大作中提到】
: Right.
: The cost for PT MBA is around $120k for two year program, the cost for FT
: MBA is around $320k(your foregone $80k/yr salary+$40K/yr tuition+$40k/yr
: living expences, simple way of calculating, not consider tax) for two year.
: So you need a huge salary raise to breakeven your investment....
:
: the
: getting
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p*u
发帖数: 2454 | 82 我faint，在boston还问哪里有好的商学院，你真牛。
【在 y******6 的大作中提到】
: 关注这个贴子好几天了， 实在忍不住，上来提几个问题，希望得到楼主和其他朋友的
: 建议。
: 我是今年8月硕士毕业，本想继续读书的，但在波士顿找到了工作，是个不错的公司，
: 作为一个女生，我认为这份工作比较稳定一些，压力也不是那么大，所以我选择先去工
: 作和办身份。在工作的同时，我想读part time 的MBA,公司说可以付 90% 的学费。 我
: 的问题是：
: 1.如果是这样的话，我的学费负担是不是还是很大？
: 2.请问除了NYU， 波士顿附近还有没有其他相对好一些的商学院可以考虑？
: 3.part time 和full time 的真正差别在那里。
: 4.另外，工作后，生活真的会很无聊吗？我都有些害怕走出校园了。
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s******e
发帖数: 1751 | 83 HBS and Sloan do not have part-time mba program.
【在 p*u 的大作中提到】
: 我faint，在boston还问哪里有好的商学院，你真牛。
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v*******g
发帖数: 334 | 84 faint , After spending half an hour reading the posts ,i am still not able
to come to the decision , PT or FT ??
More input please.
The key is ::
Whether Pt MBA can be a an option for career switcher.??????? |
c***y
发帖数: 4 | 85 绿卡不是唯一！！！问问你自己想做什么？路线是什么？绿卡留美国又如何？
回国发展也不错啊。如果你要转商科，劝你早日走这步！FUll time，如果你只是为了
文凭而读，就没意思拉。干脆保持原有工作，什么都不读。 |
b******h
发帖数: 80 | 86 谁能给我解一下惑：大家所谓的利用mba 去 change career，指的是change到哪行啊？
比如说做science的PhD，拿到top-10 F-T MBA后，一般都想转到哪些行当啊？ 多谢！
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b******h
发帖数: 80 | 87 ask again.
谁能给我解一下惑：大家所谓的利用mba 去 change career，指的是change到哪行啊？
比如说做science的PhD，拿到top-10 F-T MBA后，一般都想转到哪些行当啊？ 多谢！
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s**********g
发帖数: 409 | 88 Co-ask
【在 b******h 的大作中提到】
: ask again.
: 谁能给我解一下惑：大家所谓的利用mba 去 change career，指的是change到哪行啊？
: 比如说做science的PhD，拿到top-10 F-T MBA后，一般都想转到哪些行当啊？ 多谢！
: ！
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