i********y
发帖数: 346 | 1 both invulnerable
you hold Jx AT8xx / T98xxx
LHO pd RHO you
1H X 1S 2C
2D 3C 4H X
//
pd had Qxxx / xxxx AKQJx
now 4HX-1, while 5C makes. Any comments about the bidding?
Sorry, I posted wrong initially. Pd indeed raised 3C immediately. Now comments please. | x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 2 your pd's passing 2D is a moron bid.
no comments about others. | i********y
发帖数: 346 | 3 Sorry, partner indeed raised 3C immediately. I missed it when I intially
posted it. Now I have corrected the initial post. Comments then?
【在 x***e 的大作中提到】
: your pd's passing 2D is a moron bid.
: no comments about others.
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 4 then if will be very hard to say anything, if I have to say, then
personally, I will bid 4c as your pd, if I am awake, or 5c if I am drunk.
my point is, your pd must have really long c and a unbalanced hand to have
enough courage to bid 2c.
other party bid 3 suites, you can not expect your pd to have 10 pt+
most likely around 5 at most, and, without even AKQ, his hand must be very
good, if not perfect to a C contact.
After 3c, your pd must have a really good H as well for punishing 4H.
I will pa
【在 i********y 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, partner indeed raised 3C immediately. I missed it when I intially
: posted it. Now I have corrected the initial post. Comments then?
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 5 i think i'd take the almost sure plus score with 4h-x. without knowing your
pd's hand, -2 would be a reasonable expectation, and -3 would not be imposs
ible.
5c, on the other hand, could easily be -1.
comments please.
【在 i********y 的大作中提到】
: both invulnerable
: you hold Jx AT8xx / T98xxx
: LHO pd RHO you
: 1H X 1S 2C
: 2D 3C 4H X
: //
: pd had Qxxx / xxxx AKQJx
: now 4HX-1, while 5C makes. Any comments about the bidding?
: Sorry, I posted wrong initially. Pd indeed raised 3C immediately. Now comments please.
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 6 holding this hand, if pd raise c.
your pd must be 4054 or 4045.
you are expecting no lost on h and d, 1-2 on s and 0-1 on c.
5c will be a decent bet, just not a sure bet.
I will assume 4Hx between -1 and -2 and 5c between -1 and make.
so 4Hx tends to be cash and 5c sounds like bet.
if pd bid 4c, I will bid 5c for sure.
if pd bid 3c, intuition is 4H, but 5c is still a good bet.
your
imposs
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: i think i'd take the almost sure plus score with 4h-x. without knowing your
: pd's hand, -2 would be a reasonable expectation, and -3 would not be imposs
: ible.
: 5c, on the other hand, could easily be -1.
:
: comments please.
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 7 It is reduced to some guesswork here. If partner has no wastage in diamonds,
then there is almost no hand that doesn't make 5C, and you can easily miss
slam. Give partner something like AQTx / void / xxxx / AKxxx, 6C is cold,
and I won't be surprised to make 7. On the other hand, if partner has QTxx /
void / AKxxx / Axxx, a spade lead defeats 5C, while 4H will be down quite a
bit.
Against good opponents, you can be reasonably sure that the 4H bid was based
on good shape and secondary fit in diam
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: i think i'd take the almost sure plus score with 4h-x. without knowing your
: pd's hand, -2 would be a reasonable expectation, and -3 would not be imposs
: ible.
: 5c, on the other hand, could easily be -1.
:
: comments please.
| i********y
发帖数: 346 | 8 Yeah, after some discussions with friends, I totally agree to bid 5C because
I believe this is a winning bid averagely. However here I have another
question. with pd's actually hand like Qxxx void xxxx AKQJx or the given
slam potential example hand like AQTx void xxxx AKxxx, is pd not allowed to
bid 5C over X? Honestly, some ppl also told me they would not pass over
double with the actual pd's hands. And I would say I won't pass if I held
his hand as well. Then shall I say, with an unfixed partn
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: It is reduced to some guesswork here. If partner has no wastage in diamonds,
: then there is almost no hand that doesn't make 5C, and you can easily miss
: slam. Give partner something like AQTx / void / xxxx / AKxxx, 6C is cold,
: and I won't be surprised to make 7. On the other hand, if partner has QTxx /
: void / AKxxx / Axxx, a spade lead defeats 5C, while 4H will be down quite a
: bit.
: Against good opponents, you can be reasonably sure that the 4H bid was based
: on good shape and secondary fit in diam
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 9 ok, i might be wrong. but, from your posts, i think what you are trying to
do here is proving your pd is wrong.
with that, i cannot agree. this is a judgement call. even if your pd makes
a b
ad judgement call, there is no point in pointing out he is wrong. he can
see it from the results.
personally, i think it would be more productive to discuss with your pd.
because
to
best;
But
simple
【在 i********y 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, after some discussions with friends, I totally agree to bid 5C because
: I believe this is a winning bid averagely. However here I have another
: question. with pd's actually hand like Qxxx void xxxx AKQJx or the given
: slam potential example hand like AQTx void xxxx AKxxx, is pd not allowed to
: bid 5C over X? Honestly, some ppl also told me they would not pass over
: double with the actual pd's hands. And I would say I won't pass if I held
: his hand as well. Then shall I say, with an unfixed partn
| i********y
发帖数: 346 | 10 You misunderstood my previous post. That partner is a random one on BBO. I
just want to know if there should be some different but both reasonable
strategy I can take playing with an unfamiliar partner and a fixed partner
if possible.
to
makes
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: ok, i might be wrong. but, from your posts, i think what you are trying to
: do here is proving your pd is wrong.
: with that, i cannot agree. this is a judgement call. even if your pd makes
: a b
: ad judgement call, there is no point in pointing out he is wrong. he can
: see it from the results.
: personally, i think it would be more productive to discuss with your pd.
:
: because
: to
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 11 ic.
to that, i would say, there is no point in discussing different strategies
with random partners. :)
【在 i********y 的大作中提到】
: You misunderstood my previous post. That partner is a random one on BBO. I
: just want to know if there should be some different but both reasonable
: strategy I can take playing with an unfamiliar partner and a fixed partner
: if possible.
:
: to
: makes
| i********y
发帖数: 346 | 12 一点更新，关于这个问题，迄今偶已经问过不下偶比较熟悉的8位高手（国内A俱牌手，
偶比较信任的旅美专家或者上海市甲级队好手，但不包括偶在版上询问各位朋友给的自
己的看法），综合起来的看法是：
其中一位认为第一嘴出套的时候应该叫3C,一位认为第一嘴3C或者2C都可以，但是倾向
于3C,一位认为第一嘴倾向考虑pass，其他无一例外第一嘴全部选择2C。假如第一嘴选
择2C,之后的叫品其中有3位选择5C,三位选择X,一位选择pass(认为一旦加倍敌人反而可
能跑到更好的定约比如方块或者黑心)，一位一开始选择3C的专家认为此时只能猜断，
由于一开始没有叫3C现在怎么判断都有搞错，问题出在一开始没有叫3C. 三位选择X得
牌手里，其中两位认为如果他持同伴的牌，会在同伴X后拉出5C,一位认为不会拉出，但
指出即使拉出5C也买不下定约，所以可以坦然接受4HX-1的结果。同时咨询了另外几位
选择5C的牌手，普遍认为X是强烈惩罚或者反常首功要求,同伴原则上不能拉出5C。
这些是精确的统计结果，偶觉得有一定意义，呵呵。
偶个人看法是倾向于5C,因为毕竟这不仅仅是4H-1, 5Cmake,5DX-1或者6C-1
【在 i********y 的大作中提到】
: You misunderstood my previous post. That partner is a random one on BBO. I
: just want to know if there should be some different but both reasonable
: strategy I can take playing with an unfamiliar partner and a fixed partner
: if possible.
:
: to
: makes
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