a****s
发帖数: 524 | 1 white to red, imp
you have:
S 2
H K763
D AJ742
C T93
partner open 1D , you 1H, LHO came in with 1S,
partner double show three hearts.
you continue with 2D, partner 2H,
what's next? | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 2 I probably bid 3D over the double, now I'd bid 3S to catch up, which shows
long D, 4 H and stiff s and of course gameforcing.
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: white to red, imp
: you have:
: S 2
: H K763
: D AJ742
: C T93
: partner open 1D , you 1H, LHO came in with 1S,
: partner double show three hearts.
: you continue with 2D, partner 2H,
: what's next?
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 3 I will bid 3D.
in this case.
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: white to red, imp
: you have:
: S 2
: H K763
: D AJ742
: C T93
: partner open 1D , you 1H, LHO came in with 1S,
: partner double show three hearts.
: you continue with 2D, partner 2H,
: what's next?
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 4 I agree with 2D bid, but now 3S is clear cut. | b********1
发帖数: 23 | 5 I think pass is the best response as the following reasons:
1. you only have 8 points
2. there is no chance for 3NT
3. apparently there is little chance for either 4H or 5D
so stop at 2H if u can.
if there is chance for 4H, ur partner would have bid 3H for you to determine
whether you want to go for either 4H or 5D.
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: white to red, imp
: you have:
: S 2
: H K763
: D AJ742
: C T93
: partner open 1D , you 1H, LHO came in with 1S,
: partner double show three hearts.
: you continue with 2D, partner 2H,
: what's next?
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 6 you have already told your partner you hold a bad hand, around 6-10
, he still bids 2H, which means he holds a good hand, in the range of
good 15 to bad 18, thus you have to bid here and your hand is indeed
great cause you hold a singleton and great trump support in D, thus
there is no way to pass this 2H bid, and you should at least push to game
and slam is still possible, for example:
Sxxxx HAQx DKQxxx CA, the chance for 6D is excellent.
determine
【在 b********1 的大作中提到】
: I think pass is the best response as the following reasons:
: 1. you only have 8 points
: 2. there is no chance for 3NT
: 3. apparently there is little chance for either 4H or 5D
: so stop at 2H if u can.
: if there is chance for 4H, ur partner would have bid 3H for you to determine
: whether you want to go for either 4H or 5D.
| b********1
发帖数: 23 | 7 you have already told your partner you hold a bad hand, around 6-10
, | b********1
发帖数: 23 | 8 also think about this:
if he/she bid 3H, and his partner has 12-15 points, which is possible, then
can his partner stop at 3H? So the partner will definitely go for at least
4H!!! It mostly likely ends up with 1 or 2 down.
The major debating point is "he still bids 2H, which means he holds a good
hand, in the range of good 15 to bad 18" can not be true. | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 9 well, what's the point to bid 14 or worse hand when partner told you
he holds 4 hearts, 6 to bad 10? The bidding is about logic. If your partner
holds 12-15 and only bid 2D, he has made a mistake. I am really tired
debating
here, it's just simple logic, and if you are not convinced, it's perfectly
fine.
then
【在 b********1 的大作中提到】
: also think about this:
: if he/she bid 3H, and his partner has 12-15 points, which is possible, then
: can his partner stop at 3H? So the partner will definitely go for at least
: 4H!!! It mostly likely ends up with 1 or 2 down.
: The major debating point is "he still bids 2H, which means he holds a good
: hand, in the range of good 15 to bad 18" can not be true.
| b********1
发帖数: 23 | 10 well, what's the point to bid 14 or worse hand when partner told you he
holds 4 hearts, 6 to bad 10? | | | x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 11
Sorry, you are
above. it
Sorry, you are wrong too.
Sorry, I have one more question to ask, I do not mind you do not like to response though:
How many boards have you played serious, less than 10?
The reason I am asking is not questioning your IQ, so I have to be curious of how can you get such nosense here in a you called pro forum.
【在 b********1 的大作中提到】
: well, what's the point to bid 14 or worse hand when partner told you he
: holds 4 hearts, 6 to bad 10?
| b********1
发帖数: 23 | 12 sorry, you are
====wow, would you please tell me where it is wrong???!!!@$#@%#@%
he
above. it
sorry, you are wrong too.
=====Please do tell where??? | b********1
发帖数: 23 | 13 Please do not bother as I just found out you, xlxie (三老爷), suggested
bidding 3D which is the most stupid thing i have ever seen. It is:
1. unconstructive. what do you wanna tell your partner?
2. dangerous. you will be soon facing penalty for a deal you cant make
3. uncreative. where do you try to lead your partner by bidding 3D? 5D? do
you have enough points to go for possible 5D?
Although i have some recommendation for cozofu. unfortunately I have nothing
for you but ask you, xlxie, to try anyt | x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 14 Sorry, I can not answer any of your questiosn.
Cause your "bridge" is not the bridge we play on earth.
Maybe you heard something called play piano to a holly cow?
And thank you very much for telling me you "think" I am stupid.
And being an honor of the MOST "stupid". I am really flattered.
To be honest, I used to think I am not smart.
But thanks to you, I feel more confident now.
You really make my day, Bro.
nothing
【在 b********1 的大作中提到】
: Please do not bother as I just found out you, xlxie (三老爷), suggested
: bidding 3D which is the most stupid thing i have ever seen. It is:
: 1. unconstructive. what do you wanna tell your partner?
: 2. dangerous. you will be soon facing penalty for a deal you cant make
: 3. uncreative. where do you try to lead your partner by bidding 3D? 5D? do
: you have enough points to go for possible 5D?
: Although i have some recommendation for cozofu. unfortunately I have nothing
: for you but ask you, xlxie, to try anyt
| b********1
发帖数: 23 | 15 Sorry, I can not answer any of your questiosn.
Cause your "bridge" is not the bridge we play on earth.
Maybe you heard something called play piano to a holly cow? | x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 16
If you ask around, you will know.
itself
you might wanna try anything but bridge.
I am really happy that you are enjoyed,
Serve laddies is my honor.
well, serve a little girl is my joy as well.
【在 b********1 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, I can not answer any of your questiosn.
: Cause your "bridge" is not the bridge we play on earth.
: Maybe you heard something called play piano to a holly cow?
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 17 OK, stop teasing you.
Wait a long time no response, I will have fun somewhere else.
itself
you might wanna try anything but bridge.
【在 b********1 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, I can not answer any of your questiosn.
: Cause your "bridge" is not the bridge we play on earth.
: Maybe you heard something called play piano to a holly cow?
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 18 Show my reason, why I choose 3D over X rather than 2D.
It is simple, pd X1s show 3H, so he must have 4D at least.
With 54+ D fit and 43 H fit, to play is usually better than to def.
And 3D over 2D, show you have a strong D fit in the first round.
If pd start to cue, with the hand, I will continue to cue.
Maybe for arrows, 2D or 3D matters a lot.
For my level, it is just a feeling that 3D is better than 2D.
Bid extra shows extra, you have a little bit control extra and 2D,
1 more D in hand than 2
【在 x***e 的大作中提到】
: I will bid 3D.
: in this case.
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 19 LOT 是不是说你有9张奖牌就可以打3?
【在 x***e 的大作中提到】
: Show my reason, why I choose 3D over X rather than 2D.
: It is simple, pd X1s show 3H, so he must have 4D at least.
: With 54+ D fit and 43 H fit, to play is usually better than to def.
: And 3D over 2D, show you have a strong D fit in the first round.
: If pd start to cue, with the hand, I will continue to cue.
: Maybe for arrows, 2D or 3D matters a lot.
: For my level, it is just a feeling that 3D is better than 2D.
: Bid extra shows extra, you have a little bit control extra and 2D,
: 1 more D in hand than 2
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 20 总吨数定律。
你要打不成3,敌人一定有更好的定约。
3 level , if you can play a 5-4 fit, whether you got Xed or not,
一般来说，至少不亏。
打不打得成，还是次要的
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: LOT 是不是说你有9张奖牌就可以打3?
| | | b****s
发帖数: 472 | 21 no. that's the simplified version, proposed by bergen?
according to the LOT, I think you need to take into
account how many cards opp have in their longest suit.
if opp have X in their longest, and you have Y in yours,
then, it's safe to bid
(X+Y) - 12 - opp current bid + 1
in your suit.
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: LOT 是不是说你有9张奖牌就可以打3?
| o**e
发帖数: 22 | 22 3D?
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: white to red, imp
: you have:
: S 2
: H K763
: D AJ742
: C T93
: partner open 1D , you 1H, LHO came in with 1S,
: partner double show three hearts.
: you continue with 2D, partner 2H,
: what's next?
| a****s
发帖数: 524 | 23 S 2
H K763
D AJ742
C T93
1D (pass) 1H (1S),
Dbl (pass) ?
partner's double shows exactly 3 hearts and otherwise an undefined hand. At
this point, the agreements are: jumping to 3D is game forcing and a slower
auction (i.e. cuebid 2S) is any invitational or a game forcing with no clear
direction.
Although invitation won't hurt in the light that we are pretty safe in 3D,
it leaves little space to evaluate your shape, as it happen to be very
important in this hand. This problem could be more sev | b********1
发帖数: 23 | 24 S 2
H K763
D AJ742
C T93
1D (pass) 1H (1S),
Dbl(pass) 2D (pass),
2H (pass) ?
first of all, if the partner has this hand:
S xxxx H AQx D KQxxx C A,
bidding 2H might be too "subtle", you are holding all the cards and choose
not to tell your partner and let your partner to guess out of the dark. The
question is
1."Do you really have to bid 2H with such a strong hand and matched suits?"
2. Is there any other better bid from the one who bid 2H?
3. shouldn't u(the one bid 2H) start dominate the biding
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: S 2
: H K763
: D AJ742
: C T93
: 1D (pass) 1H (1S),
: Dbl (pass) ?
: partner's double shows exactly 3 hearts and otherwise an undefined hand. At
: this point, the agreements are: jumping to 3D is game forcing and a slower
: auction (i.e. cuebid 2S) is any invitational or a game forcing with no clear
: direction.
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 25 Well, for the same reason that with the actual hand, 6D is laydown, if your
pd holds a small C instead of CA, 5D is cold, so I would not sign off with
2D. This hand worths an invite. Signoff at 2D is just too chicken -- I view
myself as one of the most conservatives bidders in the world (well, some of you may have seen me in preempt actions, ok, let's exclude that), and if I say this is
too chicken, you know how that is :)
With your pd's actual hand, again I will not choose the non descriptive 2
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: S 2
: H K763
: D AJ742
: C T93
: 1D (pass) 1H (1S),
: Dbl (pass) ?
: partner's double shows exactly 3 hearts and otherwise an undefined hand. At
: this point, the agreements are: jumping to 3D is game forcing and a slower
: auction (i.e. cuebid 2S) is any invitational or a game forcing with no clear
: direction.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 26 actually 2H can be a good bid for xxxx AQx KQxxx A cause the hearts
are so trunky. If you don't bid 2H, partner may always worry about your
H losers with his weak heart holdings.
your
view
of you may have seen me in preempt actions, ok, let's exclude that), and if
I say this is
fit
It
slower
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: Well, for the same reason that with the actual hand, 6D is laydown, if your
: pd holds a small C instead of CA, 5D is cold, so I would not sign off with
: 2D. This hand worths an invite. Signoff at 2D is just too chicken -- I view
: myself as one of the most conservatives bidders in the world (well, some of you may have seen me in preempt actions, ok, let's exclude that), and if I say this is
: too chicken, you know how that is :)
: With your pd's actual hand, again I will not choose the non descriptive 2
| a****s
发帖数: 524 | 27 I actually have more on this :-)
With CA replaced by a small club, 5D is cold, absolutely. magic fit.
But that doesn't necessarily make 3D a winning bid, in this case or others.
The reason: with the Ace of club replaced by a small club, you wouldn't be
able buy it with 2D,or 3D, for that matter, you would be forced to buy it
with 5D, covered either by a big double, or 5S (opponents probably make 4S
in this case).
Same reason, but the view from the opposite direction. when lack of
competition, ei
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: Well, for the same reason that with the actual hand, 6D is laydown, if your
: pd holds a small C instead of CA, 5D is cold, so I would not sign off with
: 2D. This hand worths an invite. Signoff at 2D is just too chicken -- I view
: myself as one of the most conservatives bidders in the world (well, some of you may have seen me in preempt actions, ok, let's exclude that), and if I say this is
: too chicken, you know how that is :)
: With your pd's actual hand, again I will not choose the non descriptive 2
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 28 Well not every player is a balancing maniac, so this 2D will have a good
chance to die if pd doesn't have CA -- and especially if H is 3-3 for oppo,
in which case you can make 5D even with pd having 4D. Plus, even if oppo
gets into the auction, you wouldn't be able to judge any better so it is
just a blinder shot at a higher layer. Do you really envision that 3D will
go down, and 2D is the last contract? If you stick to the law, you should
just compete to 3D as fast as you can, too.
I mean, from
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: I actually have more on this :-)
: With CA replaced by a small club, 5D is cold, absolutely. magic fit.
: But that doesn't necessarily make 3D a winning bid, in this case or others.
: The reason: with the Ace of club replaced by a small club, you wouldn't be
: able buy it with 2D,or 3D, for that matter, you would be forced to buy it
: with 5D, covered either by a big double, or 5S (opponents probably make 4S
: in this case).
: Same reason, but the view from the opposite direction. when lack of
: competition, ei
| a****s
发帖数: 524 | 29 With xxxx AQx KQxxx x and x Kxxx AJxxx xxx
we don't even have half of the deck, It's too hard to believe the auction
will die on 2D.
My argument was not rely on opponent's balancing. 2D works because I don't
expect we have a magic fit, if we do have, partner must have extra to bid on.
,
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: Well not every player is a balancing maniac, so this 2D will have a good
: chance to die if pd doesn't have CA -- and especially if H is 3-3 for oppo,
: in which case you can make 5D even with pd having 4D. Plus, even if oppo
: gets into the auction, you wouldn't be able to judge any better so it is
: just a blinder shot at a higher layer. Do you really envision that 3D will
: go down, and 2D is the last contract? If you stick to the law, you should
: just compete to 3D as fast as you can, too.
: I mean, from
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 30 Bridge is not just about point count. After partner's support double, this
hand is between 2D and 3D, I won't argue against either choice.
Now partner bids 2H. One point that some people seem missed is that, 2H
shows extra value, 15 to bad 18. Why? Because my 2D denies 5 hearts (
otherwise I will bid 2H instead of 2D, knowing we have 5-3 fit), then with
minimum hand, why would partner bid 2H to insist 4-3 fit instead of 8 or 9-
card diamond fit? It is just illogical.
Considering that the initial | | | w****b
发帖数: 623 | 31 Even if it does not die at 2D, the point is you may never be able to catch
up. Let's say the bidding went 1D-p-1H-1S-x-p-2D-2S-p-p-? Now you bid 3D?
You think that does justice to the hand? And let's say pd holds that minimum
4-3-5-1 hand, you think he'll suddenly get into game zone just because you
balanced 3D?
My philosophy is this, if you have to make a decision between underbidding
and overbidding, if early on, I'd overbid a little, later on, underbid a
little. The hand may fit badly, but bo | a****s
发帖数: 524 | 32
Here partner's pass over 2S is a violation of LOTT, so the rest of your
assumption is not valid.
IMHO, it's much easier to underbid a little earlier and catch up later than
overbid a little earlier and press brake later. I can't see how the opposite
is easier to sale than this.
In addition, do you want buy the contract (preemptive) or you want to invite
game (constructive) ? make up your mind. As far as I know, one can't have
the best of both world.
at the point of time of 2D, I don't think the
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: Even if it does not die at 2D, the point is you may never be able to catch
: up. Let's say the bidding went 1D-p-1H-1S-x-p-2D-2S-p-p-? Now you bid 3D?
: You think that does justice to the hand? And let's say pd holds that minimum
: 4-3-5-1 hand, you think he'll suddenly get into game zone just because you
: balanced 3D?
: My philosophy is this, if you have to make a decision between underbidding
: and overbidding, if early on, I'd overbid a little, later on, underbid a
: little. The hand may fit badly, but bo
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 33 I'd say, with x Kxxx AJxx xxxx, I'd bid 2D and one pd pushes with 2H, I'd
bid 3S splinter as well. Because once partner pushes, as far as I'm
concerned, it's game forcing. For such a hand, slam is not good on trump
lead (after the splinter, it's pretty marked). From partner's point of view,
I'd say this is about the limit that he can imagine. So unless you push to
slam all by yourself after 2H, you have a good chance to miss it.
It maybe the same 11point in D contract, but the actual hand, with
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
:
: Here partner's pass over 2S is a violation of LOTT, so the rest of your
: assumption is not valid.
: IMHO, it's much easier to underbid a little earlier and catch up later than
: overbid a little earlier and press brake later. I can't see how the opposite
: is easier to sale than this.
: In addition, do you want buy the contract (preemptive) or you want to invite
: game (constructive) ? make up your mind. As far as I know, one can't have
: the best of both world.
: at the point of time of 2D, I don't think the
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