g******s 发帖数: 3647 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Seattle 讨论区 】
发信人: gochiefs (gochiefs), 信区: Seattle
标 题: Bridge question!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 20 15:13:18 2007)
S 8 6 3
H K 6
D A K 5 3 2
C K 6 4
N
S
A Q J 9 5
H J 8 2
D 9 4
C A Q 7
South 4S
Opening Lead: S2
how to make it? safety play wanted... |
m****r 发帖数: 6639 | 2 win s.
play small d.
win return, if return h, already home (loose 1 s, 2 h), if s, take ace.
play da, then small d, ruff in hand.
after win return, d already setup, and ck still an entry.
有没有包子?
【在 g******s 的大作中提到】 : 【 以下文字转载自 Seattle 讨论区 】 : 发信人: gochiefs (gochiefs), 信区: Seattle : 标 题: Bridge question! : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 20 15:13:18 2007) : S 8 6 3 : H K 6 : D A K 5 3 2 : C K 6 4 : N : S
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c****n 发帖数: 21367 | 3
small d will lose 1 trick ya...
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】 : win s. : play small d. : win return, if return h, already home (loose 1 s, 2 h), if s, take ace. : play da, then small d, ruff in hand. : after win return, d already setup, and ck still an entry. : 有没有包子?
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m****r 发帖数: 6639 | 4 忘了数了. ft. haha.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】 : : small d will lose 1 trick ya...
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m****r 发帖数: 6639 | 5 不对呀. 难道不是可以垫两张h, 如果我先送一顿d.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】 : : small d will lose 1 trick ya...
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c****n 发帖数: 21367 | 6 small d以后敌人再回d怎么办啊...
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】 : 不对呀. 难道不是可以垫两张h, 如果我先送一顿d.
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m****r 发帖数: 6639 | 7 DA, (西还有一张), 然后小d, 手里杀.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】 : small d以后敌人再回d怎么办啊...
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o*******n 发帖数: 6500 | 8 拿住第一副将牌,回HJ,不管w出啥(肯定上q),放小
如果w回将牌,则丢3副红桃不丢将牌
否则可以将吃一副红桃,而只丢2副红桃和一副将牌
【在 g******s 的大作中提到】 : 【 以下文字转载自 Seattle 讨论区 】 : 发信人: gochiefs (gochiefs), 信区: Seattle : 标 题: Bridge question! : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 20 15:13:18 2007) : S 8 6 3 : H K 6 : D A K 5 3 2 : C K 6 4 : N : S
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g******s 发帖数: 3647 | 9 sry, original post is not very clear.
H ace and Q may switch ....
revised original post...
【在 o*******n 的大作中提到】 : 拿住第一副将牌,回HJ,不管w出啥(肯定上q),放小 : 如果w回将牌,则丢3副红桃不丢将牌 : 否则可以将吃一副红桃,而只丢2副红桃和一副将牌
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g******s 发帖数: 3647 | 10 ur answer is pretty good, but not safe
【在 o*******n 的大作中提到】 : 拿住第一副将牌,回HJ,不管w出啥(肯定上q),放小 : 如果w回将牌,则丢3副红桃不丢将牌 : 否则可以将吃一副红桃,而只丢2副红桃和一副将牌
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H*******4 发帖数: 38 | 11 and your concern is ......
it is pretty straight forward to lead a H J for ruffing third round of H or
setting up a D. If east had H A and Q. He must have 2 spade unless West
leads with S Kx. Only way to defeat the deal is that E has H A Q and west
has S KTxx. I do not have tome for specification, but it is pretty good
declaring for a 2nd H J.
Gotta go to meet boss. |
S*****n 发帖数: 227 | 12 清两轮将,留下对方黑桃K在外,消去所有旁套,将牌投入对方。
如果前期西超吃了方块,那么明手可以将吃一张红心。
总之失两墩红心一墩黑桃。
【在 g******s 的大作中提到】 : sry, original post is not very clear. : H ace and Q may switch .... : revised original post...
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o*******n 发帖数: 6500 | 13 投入没效果的
对方回草花
你还是得自己动红桃
【在 S*****n 的大作中提到】 : 清两轮将,留下对方黑桃K在外,消去所有旁套,将牌投入对方。 : 如果前期西超吃了方块,那么明手可以将吃一张红心。 : 总之失两墩红心一墩黑桃。
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S*****n 发帖数: 227 | 14 你说西最顽强的抵抗?四张的时候剩下
Sx HKx Dx C-
SK HQT D- Cx S- HAxxx D- C-
Sx HJxx D- C-
倒数第四墩投入的话,倒数第三墩回草花是大牌。
然后大家两张猜吧。不过好在对方动手啊。hehe
【在 o*******n 的大作中提到】 : 投入没效果的 : 对方回草花 : 你还是得自己动红桃
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H*******4 发帖数: 38 | 15 It looks like it is in south hand, right? then,south can not throw in west
with spade. West can have one club and Hx gives two more H to east if he has
H AQ.
【在 S*****n 的大作中提到】 : 你说西最顽强的抵抗?四张的时候剩下 : Sx HKx Dx C- : SK HQT D- Cx S- HAxxx D- C- : Sx HJxx D- C- : 倒数第四墩投入的话,倒数第三墩回草花是大牌。 : 然后大家两张猜吧。不过好在对方动手啊。hehe
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b****s 发帖数: 472 | 16 1: SQ
2: SA
3: DA
4: DK
5: Dx, declarer ruffs. if W over-ruffs with K, dummy's last trump can ruff
heart
6: CA
7: CQ
8: CK
9: Dx, declarer discards H. E is thrown in. has to return H. if W ruffs
with K, then contract makes -- only lose SK and two heart tricks.
【在 g******s 的大作中提到】 : 【 以下文字转载自 Seattle 讨论区 】 : 发信人: gochiefs (gochiefs), 信区: Seattle : 标 题: Bridge question! : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 20 15:13:18 2007) : S 8 6 3 : H K 6 : D A K 5 3 2 : C K 6 4 : N : S
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b****s 发帖数: 472 | 17 请自觉捐包子到版上
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】 : win s. : play small d. : win return, if return h, already home (loose 1 s, 2 h), if s, take ace. : play da, then small d, ruff in hand. : after win return, d already setup, and ck still an entry. : 有没有包子?
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g******s 发帖数: 3647 | 18 wrong.
ruff
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】 : 1: SQ : 2: SA : 3: DA : 4: DK : 5: Dx, declarer ruffs. if W over-ruffs with K, dummy's last trump can ruff : heart : 6: CA : 7: CQ : 8: CK : 9: Dx, declarer discards H. E is thrown in. has to return H. if W ruffs
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b****s 发帖数: 472 | 19 哪里?
【在 g******s 的大作中提到】 : wrong. : : ruff
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b****s 发帖数: 472 | 20 再问一遍, 哪里不对?
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】 : 哪里?
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g******s 发帖数: 3647 | 21 i guess the question is not perfect.
you can not treat this question as a simply two dummy question since safety
plan is wanted in this question.
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】 : 哪里?
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g******s 发帖数: 3647 | 22 east may have 3 heart, 4 club, ....
safety
【在 g******s 的大作中提到】 : i guess the question is not perfect. : you can not treat this question as a simply two dummy question since safety : plan is wanted in this question.
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g******s 发帖数: 3647 | 23 the answer:
saftey play.
S Q
D K
then H 6
...
几乎铁打不宕!
这是贝那多纳的一个经典牌局。
【在 g******s 的大作中提到】 : east may have 3 heart, 4 club, .... : : safety
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c****u 发帖数: 3277 | 24 yeah, I read it almost 15 years ago.
【在 g******s 的大作中提到】 : the answer: : saftey play. : S Q : D K : then H 6 : ... : 几乎铁打不宕! : 这是贝那多纳的一个经典牌局。
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m****r 发帖数: 6639 | 25 我的回答是在他改题目之前的答案. 好像是对的. 嗯.
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】 : 请自觉捐包子到版上
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g******s 发帖数: 3647 | 26 我不应该把东,西的牌帖出来。直接问安全打法好了。。
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】 : 我的回答是在他改题目之前的答案. 好像是对的. 嗯.
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H*******4 发帖数: 38 | 27 And east could have spade K.
But I do appreciate you post the hand out. That is pretty food example for
declaring. THANK YOU. I learnt a lot.
【在 g******s 的大作中提到】 : east may have 3 heart, 4 club, .... : : safety
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H*******4 发帖数: 38 | 28 great play!!!
Actually, it would cheat east with Q in hand. Couples of week ago, a
declarer in MIT got me with same situation. I had Q without A, and I did not
put Q over x. I remember that for a while and forgot the trick. I am really
getting old. :(
【在 g******s 的大作中提到】 : the answer: : saftey play. : S Q : D K : then H 6 : ... : 几乎铁打不宕! : 这是贝那多纳的一个经典牌局。
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b****s 发帖数: 472 | 29 ok, then you shouldn't show E/W's hands ah...
safety
【在 g******s 的大作中提到】 : i guess the question is not perfect. : you can not treat this question as a simply two dummy question since safety : plan is wanted in this question.
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H*******4 发帖数: 38 | 30 Yeah, I agree.
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】 : ok, then you shouldn't show E/W's hands ah... : : safety
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b****s 发帖数: 472 | 31 now, let me change the question.
what's the best lead by West?
【在 g******s 的大作中提到】 : 【 以下文字转载自 Seattle 讨论区 】 : 发信人: gochiefs (gochiefs), 信区: Seattle : 标 题: Bridge question! : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 20 15:13:18 2007) : S 8 6 3 : H K 6 : D A K 5 3 2 : C K 6 4 : N : S
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T***y 发帖数: 6600 | 32 Why not:
win S in hand
play small D from hand and win with Dk
play small H: if E play Q, done with 1 loss S and two heart H; if E small,
then play HJ in hand, whatever W wins with, you win the game because W's
return with S will let you no loss at S and W return others will let you
ruffle a H with S.
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】 : win s. : play small d. : win return, if return h, already home (loose 1 s, 2 h), if s, take ace. : play da, then small d, ruff in hand. : after win return, d already setup, and ck still an entry. : 有没有包子?
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T***y 发帖数: 6600 | 33 Sorry, others already answered it.
【在 T***y 的大作中提到】 : Why not: : win S in hand : play small D from hand and win with Dk : play small H: if E play Q, done with 1 loss S and two heart H; if E small, : then play HJ in hand, whatever W wins with, you win the game because W's : return with S will let you no loss at S and W return others will let you : ruffle a H with S.
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