g********d
发帖数: 89 | 1 Dealer: N
vul: N-S only
you are south
AKQTxxxx Ax x Ax
N E S W
p p 4S 4nt
p 5c 5s 6c
X END
1) is 4S too weak? should South open 2c? or simply 1S?
2) What is the possible hand for North?
North Actually has:
xx Kxxxx Axxxx x
West was 1156 | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 2 4S is rather bad I belive. Although partner has passed, it's still very
easy to produce a slam if partner holds either HKQx or CKQx, so it's best
to start from 2C I believe.
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: Dealer: N
: vul: N-S only
: you are south
: AKQTxxxx Ax x Ax
: N E S W
: p p 4S 4nt
: p 5c 5s 6c
: X END
: 1) is 4S too weak? should South open 2c? or simply 1S?
: 2) What is the possible hand for North?
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 3 2c for sure.
even without HA or CA, you still qualified for 2C, which need 9 tricks to play
and 2 tricks for def.
for a hand like this, you have 10 winners, much more than the need for 8-
winners for 4S and you can't afford a pass for open 1S.
Even more, after open 2C, if pd 3c or 2h to show strong hand, you have a
almost 6 already. if pd 2d, you can bid either 2s, show interests or 3s show
solid S suite with at least 10 tricks, which is in independent game
strength.
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: Dealer: N
: vul: N-S only
: you are south
: AKQTxxxx Ax x Ax
: N E S W
: p p 4S 4nt
: p 5c 5s 6c
: X END
: 1) is 4S too weak? should South open 2c? or simply 1S?
: 2) What is the possible hand for North?
| d****i
发帖数: 90 | 4
play
The original hand is probably a 2C, but I don't think it is appropriate to
open 2C with one ace less. 2C promises more, especially more defense, than
that---e.g. quick winners > quick losers...
Bids such as Namyats are designed for those kind of hands.
【在 x***e 的大作中提到】
: 2c for sure.
: even without HA or CA, you still qualified for 2C, which need 9 tricks to play
: and 2 tricks for def.
: for a hand like this, you have 10 winners, much more than the need for 8-
: winners for 4S and you can't afford a pass for open 1S.
: Even more, after open 2C, if pd 3c or 2h to show strong hand, you have a
: almost 6 already. if pd 2d, you can bid either 2s, show interests or 3s show
: solid S suite with at least 10 tricks, which is in independent game
: strength.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 5 Well, if you are not going to defend, you probably still can open
2C, don't you? hehe.
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
:
: play
: The original hand is probably a 2C, but I don't think it is appropriate to
: open 2C with one ace less. 2C promises more, especially more defense, than
: that---e.g. quick winners > quick losers...
: Bids such as Namyats are designed for those kind of hands.
| d****i
发帖数: 90 | 6 not really---that's why Namyats-ish bids are designed:
to open(at 4) and show OFFENSE and deny DEFENSE at the same time,
a hand different from 1S, from 2C, from 4S.
to defend or not is one issue, to claim(via bidding) that your
hand has defense or not is another.
to
8-
show
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: Well, if you are not going to defend, you probably still can open
: 2C, don't you? hehe.
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 7 so basically, with from 7 tricks and 9 tricks you all bid 4s?
then how will your' PD's react?
4S should be limited to 2-3 rule, as I understand correctly.
also with a side A and a trump A, you can't say you deny def value.
seriously, I guess you need to learn to evalue your hand and see the logic
through the bidding.
Obviously, your arguement is correct but your result is strange, I have to
say.
to
than
a
3s
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: not really---that's why Namyats-ish bids are designed:
: to open(at 4) and show OFFENSE and deny DEFENSE at the same time,
: a hand different from 1S, from 2C, from 4S.
: to defend or not is one issue, to claim(via bidding) that your
: hand has defense or not is another.
:
: to
: 8-
: show
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 8 hehe, if you are not going to sell, why do you want to make such claim
that you do have defence or you don't have a lot of defensive values?
Namyats sucks in many ways: first, it takes up the natural preemptive
4C/D which are very useful, second, it makes opps easier to defend
against, opps can double 4C to show take out which can hardly be penalized,
opps can pass 4C then double 4S to show strong balanced hands and tend to
penalize you. opps can cuebid 4H directly to show 5 spades and 5 minors.
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: not really---that's why Namyats-ish bids are designed:
: to open(at 4) and show OFFENSE and deny DEFENSE at the same time,
: a hand different from 1S, from 2C, from 4S.
: to defend or not is one issue, to claim(via bidding) that your
: hand has defense or not is another.
:
: to
: 8-
: show
| d****i
发帖数: 90 | 9 well, either that, or do 2C with 13hcp and 4-5 losers. if that is your cup of
tea.
tricks
appropriate to
than
for
have a
3s
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: hehe, if you are not going to sell, why do you want to make such claim
: that you do have defence or you don't have a lot of defensive values?
: Namyats sucks in many ways: first, it takes up the natural preemptive
: 4C/D which are very useful, second, it makes opps easier to defend
: against, opps can double 4C to show take out which can hardly be penalized,
: opps can pass 4C then double 4S to show strong balanced hands and tend to
: penalize you. opps can cuebid 4H directly to show 5 spades and 5 minors.
| d****i
发帖数: 90 | 10 "opening (at 4)" doesn't necessarily implies opening 4S or 4H.
tricks
appropriate
for
have
【在 x***e 的大作中提到】
: so basically, with from 7 tricks and 9 tricks you all bid 4s?
: then how will your' PD's react?
: 4S should be limited to 2-3 rule, as I understand correctly.
: also with a side A and a trump A, you can't say you deny def value.
: seriously, I guess you need to learn to evalue your hand and see the logic
: through the bidding.
: Obviously, your arguement is correct but your result is strange, I have to
: say.
:
: to
| | | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 11 I am wondering where do the 5 losers come from if you have 9 tricks yourself,
hehe.
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: "opening (at 4)" doesn't necessarily implies opening 4S or 4H.
:
: tricks
: appropriate
: for
: have
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 12 I got it finally: you made your point
4H is obviously different from" a hand different from 1S, from 2C, from 4S"
Of course we play different games.
Although we both may call them "bridge"?
BTW, I still stop re:ing you from here.
defense,
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: "opening (at 4)" doesn't necessarily implies opening 4S or 4H.
:
: tricks
: appropriate
: for
: have
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 13 14 cards:)
even MJ have 2 version. 13 stones each or 16 stones. LOL
yourself,
of
penalized,
to
suppose it
WWW-POST
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: I am wondering where do the 5 losers come from if you have 9 tricks yourself,
: hehe.
| j*******e
发帖数: 2168 | 14 Well, if you have 9 tricks and 1 of them is likely to be ruffed, let's just
count it as 9 tricks and 4-5 losers, hehe
yourself,
of
penalized,
to
suppose it
WWW-POST
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: I am wondering where do the 5 losers come from if you have 9 tricks yourself,
: hehe.
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 15 you must be kidding, aren't you? :))
cup
minors.
【在 j*******e 的大作中提到】
: Well, if you have 9 tricks and 1 of them is likely to be ruffed, let's just
: count it as 9 tricks and 4-5 losers, hehe
:
: yourself,
: of
: penalized,
: to
: suppose it
: WWW-POST
| a****s
发帖数: 524 | 16
Yeah, I agree with you, Holding a hand with too high ODR, It's better to
choose
preemptive open.
How high is too high? My rule is to open Namyats, one has 8-9 tricks and
roughly 80%-90% of the tricks come from trumps. With one side Ace,
this hand is qualified.
My rule of open 2C is 9+ tricks with 2+ defensive tricks OUTSIDE the
dominant suit. The original hand is obviously a 2C open.
With only one side Ace, It is a Namyats open (if you play that convention).
BTW, I hate to open 2C and try to fi
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: "opening (at 4)" doesn't necessarily implies opening 4S or 4H.
:
: tricks
: appropriate
: for
: have
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