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Boston版 - 组团了,可能最好HEATING OIL CAPPED $2.599
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Heating oil 2.699 for next yearcapped $3.59 until 4/30/2013 家里烧油的同学看过来
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h********5
发帖数: 386
1
意向阶段, 要凑足30人才是真的, 因为DEAL真的好, 人不够的话公司不肯上。Can't
blame them on that. 真的愿意加入的请发问候到我信箱。不需要电话姓名, 保护
PRIVACY, 够人数后我回复公司的电话自己去加入. 多找朋友一起上不然谁也得不到。
有兴趣的请发EMAIL到: [email protected]
/* */
1)首次加油$2.199
2)后续加油最高不超过 $2.599, 如果油价跌了自动下调, 不是固定价!
3)$149服务计划(原价$299)包TUNEUP, 故障诊断, 零件加人工。不需要的可以不买
这项。很好了
,很多公 司TUNEUP 99-199, 无服务计划的上门费就要收99, 故障诊断, 零件加人工
另外收钱。
1) $2.199 FIRST DELIVERY
2) $2.599 CAPPED TILL 3/31/2016, CAN'T GO HIGHER BUT MIGHT GO LOWER BASED
ON MARKET CONDITION. THIS IS BETTER THAN FIXED PRICE!
3) $149 SERVICE PLAN COVERS EVERYTHING, TUNEUP, DIAGNOSTICS, PARTS AND
LABOR. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT. Some companies charge $99-199 just for
a simple tuneup! Without a service plan, many companies charge $99 for a
service call just for showing up at the door before parts and labor cost is
added.
It's from a well known company whose name I will disclose once we reach 30
people. They delivery almost all over eastern Massachusetts. No deal if we
can't get to 30. Might get even better deal if we get to 50,100 etc. So let'
s give it a shot, would you? Send me a Hello in mailbox, neither phone
number or name is necessary to protect privacy. Will email company contact
for you to signup later. Invitation only. If interested please email
[email protected]
/* */ I'll update the number periodically. Need to give
an answer fast, like in a few days, otherwise they reserve the right to
cancel the deal if crude oil price suddenly jumps up significantly.
Disclosure:
1)No guarantee there is no lower group deal from other sources later since
crude oil price can go lower. Apple to apple this is not bad deal at all.
2)I might receive some referral discount if we reach 30 people goal. Nothing
if not enough people join. The deal is dead if less than 30 total.
3)I encourage people to post better deals whatever it comes from.
Competition makes a better market.
h********5
发帖数: 386
2
Update: 有6-7人了。 月底有希望达到30人。
======================================
h********5
发帖数: 386
3
14 now。
h********5
发帖数: 386
4
鉴于有童鞋反映FIRST DELIVERY 常常吃不足, 现在1)改为 100 元红包 ACCOUNT
CREDIT.
另外, 这个合同跟现有的合同不冲突(不管3/31 还是4-5-6/31到期), 可以选择什
么时候开始送油, 4月也行, 11月也行。
r***u
发帖数: 75
5
everyone on monthly payment plan, 这个是说每个月结吗?
h********5
发帖数: 386
6
"Budget-friendly Payment Plan
There’s a smarter way to manage your heating costs! With Alliance Express’
Budget Plan. Weather and oil prices are ever changing, but your monthly
payments don’t have to be. When you’re on our Budget Plan:
We calculate your heating oil usage, and spread out the cost over equal
monthly payments. You have the convenience of a regular payment schedule.
Even if you get two heating oil deliveries in one month, you still have one
monthly payment.
Your budget payment can also include the cost of a Service Plan."
======================
You estimate your yearly total, divide by 12 or maybe 4-6 equal payment
monthly. At the end the account is squared against actual usage. Kind like a
cell phone bill.
The original purpose is to help people handle big heating oil bill in winter
. Then they found out they can use the money to prepay oil with less loans
from banks to save interest cost. Benefit them too.

【在 r***u 的大作中提到】
: everyone on monthly payment plan, 这个是说每个月结吗?
h********5
发帖数: 386
7
ALERT:
Alliance called and said this price only good till 3/26 no matter of market
movement. After that might re-evaluate price based on market condition.
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1y
The major drop is over. Surprise might come at the upside not further
downside. But anything could happen. Look at the above chart this is not a
bad time to join a capped group.
h********5
发帖数: 386
8
Best explanation between CAPPED vs FIXED
We have CAPPED deal, better than FIXED deal !
-------------
Capped – This plan offers you a “cap,” or a maximum on what your fuel
will cost. If the market price exceeds your cap price, you won’t have to
pay more. If the market price declines, you’ll be able to take advantage of
the lower price. When prevailing retail price drops below your CAPPED price
, you automatically begin to pay the lower prevailing retail price on your
heating oil!
------------------
Fixed–This plan offers a set price for 12 months. If the price of oil
fluctuates, your price will stay at the originally agreed-upon price.
h********5
发帖数: 386
9
Note: If the voicemail is full you can try email:
[email protected]
/* */
with name, phone number and mention want to join group “2016BESTEVER".
They'll honor emails time stamped before any deadline they set.
m*****a
发帖数: 2609
10
Thanks for sharing! I am in a capped plan which last until June this year.
Have several quick questions if you can clarify:
1. Do you sign a binding or non-biding contract with Alliance Express? What'
s the penalty if it is binding and you exit early.
2. How long the cap period will last? Also, when does it start, at the first
delivery or when the contract is signed?
3. You said customer can decide the starting date (even after months). The
service plan ($199) can hold and start at the same time, right?
4. Is there a total quota on how many gallon oils will be delivered at the
capped price? If yes, what if the estimation is too low?
5. Does Alliance have online payment option? Do they accept credit cards?
Thank you for the replies!

market

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: ALERT:
: Alliance called and said this price only good till 3/26 no matter of market
: movement. After that might re-evaluate price based on market condition.
: http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1y
: The major drop is over. Surprise might come at the upside not further
: downside. But anything could happen. Look at the above chart this is not a
: bad time to join a capped group.

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m*****a
发帖数: 2609
11
I also like to hear the comments from those who used Alliance Express in the
past: Is there anything you would complain about? For example, suspect on
the reading accuracy on the bill, response speed to your service request,
unreasonable charge on your normal service, etc.
Thanks.
h********5
发帖数: 386
12

What's the penalty if it is binding and you exit early.

It's binding, after you sign the contract they prebuy the estimated oil to
avoid upside surprise. You'll have to pay 400-500$ termination fee to void
the contract after 3 day grace period(no penalty if cancel in 3 days). This
is standard industry practice for CAPPED/FIXED plan.
first delivery or when the contract is signed?
Contract covers 4/1/2015 to 3/31/2016, but you can select the month to start
. In your case you can ask delivery from 7/1/2015, or even later such as 11/
1/2015.
$149 for service plan. Yes, The service plan ($149) can hold and start at
the same time. But you have to decide you want the service plan or not
before first delivery. You can't say I want to join after the furnace blows
up:-).
They will use your past usage as a guess if you had been their customer in
the past. You can just also tell them how much you need, such as 5% above
last year usage to be comfortable. The quote is just a guidance for them to
prebuy oil, they certainly don't want to buy too much or too little in
advance. Getting close is fine.
5. Does Alliance have online payment option? Do they accept credit cards?
Yes, You can register your account online and pay with any major credit card.

【在 m*****a 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for sharing! I am in a capped plan which last until June this year.
: Have several quick questions if you can clarify:
: 1. Do you sign a binding or non-biding contract with Alliance Express? What'
: s the penalty if it is binding and you exit early.
: 2. How long the cap period will last? Also, when does it start, at the first
: delivery or when the contract is signed?
: 3. You said customer can decide the starting date (even after months). The
: service plan ($199) can hold and start at the same time, right?
: 4. Is there a total quota on how many gallon oils will be delivered at the
: capped price? If yes, what if the estimation is too low?

h********5
发帖数: 386
13
Used them in the past. Not bad for me.
There were some group deals with Alliance Express in the past, no major
complaints from what I hear.
Especially with $149 service plan ($299 value) I recommended everyone to buy
there should be a lot less trouble when things go wrong. Otherwise you have
to pay $199 for tuneup alone, makes no sense NOT to take it.
This is also a good part about joining a Group Deal. You are not fighting
the bad guy alone IF you are truly mistreated. In some sense you got the
group behind you.
Alone, you're 放牛娃,苦哈哈长工。只有挨揍的份。
Together,we're 红军, 是穷人的队伍, 可以打土豪, 分田地了。
You got more respect if you're a group member instead of 散户.
另外, 已经有Alliance Express现有客户想加入我们组被公司拒绝了。
既然现有客户还愿意用他们说明还算不错了。

the

【在 m*****a 的大作中提到】
: I also like to hear the comments from those who used Alliance Express in the
: past: Is there anything you would complain about? For example, suspect on
: the reading accuracy on the bill, response speed to your service request,
: unreasonable charge on your normal service, etc.
: Thanks.

m*****a
发帖数: 2609
14
Thanks a lot!
Assume the oil market behaves normally (I know this is a BIG IF), what's the
best period to sign up an oil plan? I imagine it is surely before the
heating season, but will March or June usually be the best time? I remember
to notice your last year's post around summer time (possibly because I only
bought the house last summer).
I personally feel the oil market will keep as low, if not lower, throughout
this year. While I am not monitoring the heating oil market, I do keep an
eye on those oil stocks :).

This
start
11/

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: Used them in the past. Not bad for me.
: There were some group deals with Alliance Express in the past, no major
: complaints from what I hear.
: Especially with $149 service plan ($299 value) I recommended everyone to buy
: there should be a lot less trouble when things go wrong. Otherwise you have
: to pay $199 for tuneup alone, makes no sense NOT to take it.
: This is also a good part about joining a Group Deal. You are not fighting
: the bad guy alone IF you are truly mistreated. In some sense you got the
: group behind you.
: Alone, you're 放牛娃,苦哈哈长工。只有挨揍的份。

h********5
发帖数: 386
15
No one knows the future. Based on last years' experience this year CAPPED
plan is the choice, which covered the downside too.
You can wait. But no guarantee the deal is getting any better later. Good
enough is OK to me.

the
remember
only
throughout

【在 m*****a 的大作中提到】
: Thanks a lot!
: Assume the oil market behaves normally (I know this is a BIG IF), what's the
: best period to sign up an oil plan? I imagine it is surely before the
: heating season, but will March or June usually be the best time? I remember
: to notice your last year's post around summer time (possibly because I only
: bought the house last summer).
: I personally feel the oil market will keep as low, if not lower, throughout
: this year. While I am not monitoring the heating oil market, I do keep an
: eye on those oil stocks :).
:

h********5
发帖数: 386
16
Q: Why should I join now instead of waiting for July or just before heating
season, when price is usually the low?
Rep from Alliance Express:
"
The deal is what it is. There are no guarantees that this will be the best
offer of the year and once the contract is signed it can't be changed. Just
like you wouldn't want us to change it if our costs go up. People can wait
until the summer, but remind them that last summer oil prices were about a
dollar a gallon higher than they are right now and didn't begin to fall
significantly until December.
"
====================================
His opinion seems to imply even if you can hold off into summer, no good
deal even if crude oil is low. You have to be able to hold off into December
to benefit from low price, which is not guaranteed to happen again this
year.
h********5
发帖数: 386
h********5
发帖数: 386
18
ALERT:
Talk to Alliance again and the rep said this price guaranteed till end of 3/
27 no matter of market movement. After that if crude oil price doesn't go up
meaningfully then the deal is still ON till further notice. But the group
will be closed down if price goes up meaningfully. So he won't hold the
group open till we reach 50 or 100 people(all depends on crude oil price
level). If you're interested then ACT fast.
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1y
The major drop is over. Surprise might come at the upside not further
downside. But anything could happen. Look at the above chart this is not a
bad time to join a capped group.
h********5
发帖数: 386
19
注意: 石油价格发生显著上涨本团购就关门大吉了不再收新成员。时间有限, 加入
从速。
现在只担保不论石油价格涨多少到3/27晚上本团购还有效, 以后看具体情况了
T****a
发帖数: 409
20
谢谢楼主推荐,sign up了。
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h********5
发帖数: 386
21
多谢支持!
什么时候本团购不是最好的了俺就不推荐大家加入了。
这家公司的电子签约文件搞的不错, 右上角显示100元红包, 你看见了吗?

【在 T****a 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢楼主推荐,sign up了。
l********4
发帖数: 293
22
楼主你好,我正准备签,但注意到发来的合同:
1.没有提到100的credit,
2.没有提到149的service plan。
没有这两项我还签吗?
h********5
发帖数: 386
23
没问题的, 只要你跟他们说了是2016BESTEVER。
你可以发个EMAIL给 [email protected]
/* */,
同时CC 我一份 [email protected]
/* */ ,
确认说你签了合同是 2016BESTEVER GROUP DEAL.
以后他们胆敢耍赖我们帮你!
你一个人去跟公司打官司大家会觉得为点小便宜杠上了,not my business 。
我们上百号人去跟公司打官司大家会觉得JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED. 公司想做生意根本
不敢搞大的。
对了, 你要LOGIN 用 SECURITY CODE provided , 最后系统生成的PDF右上角会显示
$100 NEW CUSTOMER CREDIT的。
“Click here to access your documents” 只是链接, 进去后才是真的电子合同。
h********5
发帖数: 386
24
大概这小子文件签得手发软犯错了一下, 原谅他吧。 公司回复:
"
The $100. credit should have shown at the top of the agreement. If not, I
just forgot to put it on that one but everyone gets it regardless. The $149.
95 plan is a separate issue and is added to the accounts as they are created.
Again, the $100. credit is on the agreement, but they need to enter the
document to see it.
"

【在 l********4 的大作中提到】
: 楼主你好,我正准备签,但注意到发来的合同:
: 1.没有提到100的credit,
: 2.没有提到149的service plan。
: 没有这两项我还签吗?

l********4
发帖数: 293
25
出于对你的信任我先签了,但系统生成的pdf的确没有credit,合同也没有149 service
plan的条款,我把生成的pdf发给[email protected]
/* */同时也cc给你了。希望没什
么问题。但感觉有些混乱。

/* */,
/* */ ,

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: 没问题的, 只要你跟他们说了是2016BESTEVER。
: 你可以发个EMAIL给 [email protected]
: /* */,
: 同时CC 我一份 [email protected]
: /* */ ,
: 确认说你签了合同是 2016BESTEVER GROUP DEAL.
: 以后他们胆敢耍赖我们帮你!
: 你一个人去跟公司打官司大家会觉得为点小便宜杠上了,not my business 。
: 我们上百号人去跟公司打官司大家会觉得JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED. 公司想做生意根本
: 不敢搞大的。

h********5
发帖数: 386
26
没问题, 以此为据我担保你是 2016BESTEVER 成员。
看见你的EMAIL了, $100的确是他们办事不力犯错了一把, 会要求他们纠错的。

service
/* */同时也cc给你了。希望没什

【在 l********4 的大作中提到】
: 出于对你的信任我先签了,但系统生成的pdf的确没有credit,合同也没有149 service
: plan的条款,我把生成的pdf发给[email protected]
: /* */同时也cc给你了。希望没什
: 么问题。但感觉有些混乱。
:
: /* */,
: /* */ ,

h********5
发帖数: 386
27
老外拼中国人名字是有困难。 电话讲的已经有人合同名字错字母的了。
可以考虑EMAIL 加入, 自己写名字不会出错。
Try email:
[email protected]
/* */
with name, phone number ,address and mention want to join group
“2016BESTEVER".
They'll honor emails time stamped before any deadline they set.
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1y
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1m
注意:这个DEAL是3/19石油 45.50 时谈成的, 现在都涨过47了。
石油价格发生显著上涨本团购就关门大吉了不再收新成员。时间有限, 加入
从速。现在只担保不论石油价格涨多少到3/27晚上本团购还有效,以后看具体情况了。
另外提醒在石油价格一样的情况下3-4月的新客户DEAL最好, 因为老合同到期公司间互
相竞争客源。 如果7-9月DEAL好那也只是因为石油价格跌的够多罢了, 未必发生。
什么时候接到通知叫停就会删贴走人。还能看见表明本团购还继续有效。
本团购关门后未必会有更好的了。
已经上了贼船的童鞋可以往你们的EMAIL GROUP和微信群里发点JUNK MAIL, 拉到50人
100人大家都有五分一毛的红包可以拿:
不到50人现在就 $2.599 CAP
到50人, 减五分, $2.549 CAP (时间长点很可能, 需要石油价别大涨)
到100人,减一毛, $2.499 CAP (时间长点有希望, 需要石油价别大涨)
先加入$2.599 CAP的人自动降为$2.549 CAP如果人数超过50.
先加入$2.599 CAP的人自动降为$2.499 CAP如果人数超过100.
h********5
发帖数: 386
28
热烈鼓掌欢迎! 斑竹表示不仅自己加入还至少再拉一个。
木有见人心
只觉头发晕
斑竹您幸苦了, 悠着点:-)
这个三月底的带红包激励机制的浮动价CAPPED团购计划缘起去年, 斑竹很清楚。
俺能说动大老板愿意尝试这种计划也不易, 不到50算失败以后就不会有这样的团购计
划了。希望大家大力支持。
h********5
发帖数: 386
29
公司发来UPDATE, 说所有团员的合同条款都是一样的, 不会专门为个人更改条款的,
希望大家看明白后签就行了, 电子合同自动生成没有任何改动余地, 不要浪费时间跟
他们蘑蘑菇菇。我把原文放进第一帖里了。
唯一值得注意的是不要低估了用油量, 不然理论上超过部分算市场价。差别小于 50
GALLON无所谓, 差上百GALLON他们不高兴的。 没啥了不起, 顶多快到的时候要求停
止送油自己随便找别家最低价灌一箱就是了。 我建议多报5-10%也就差不多了。
另外大家都是MONTHLY PAYMENT PLAN(可以用信用卡ONLINE PAY),估计用油量X2.599
/12为每月收费量, 从4月开始, 所有人员都必须如此。最后多退少补。
h********5
发帖数: 386
30
Do some of your own due diligence. The contract is between you and Alliance
Express. If you have any doubt or don't like Alliance Express just walk away
, simple and easy.
另外提醒即使签约了也有3天时间反悔不用付罚金的。周一才开始签, 到今晚前所有的
人都可以跑掉的。
There is a 3 day grace period that you can cancel the contract with Alliance
without any penalty. Make use of it if you want to.
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1m
注意:这个DEAL是3/19石油 45.50 时谈成的。
石油价格发生显著上涨就关门大吉了不再收新成员, 另外保留随时叫停权利。时间有
限, 加入从速。现在只担保不论石油价格涨多少到 3/27晚上本团购还有效, 以后看
情况听公司通知了。
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给房子装太阳能多少钱?下季度不打算再用他们公司的现有客户请一定要打电话
我被搞糊涂了Heating oil 2.699 for next year
(已被抢!)第 50位加入本团的再拿 50元红包(实际相当100元『供求』Alliance Express2018取暖油计划, 2.099 固定价, 送T
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h********5
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http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Boston/31811463.html
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1m
ALERT: 石油 51.35 ! The Deal might be over by tomorrow evening of 3/27,
what are you waiting for?
注意:这个DEAL是3/19石油 45.50 时谈成的。
公司说石油价格发生显著上涨就关门大吉了不再收新成员, 另外保留随时叫停权利。
时间有
限, 加入从速。现在只担保不论石油价格涨多少到 3/27明天晚上本团购还有效, 以
后看情况听公司通知了。
石油价格发生显著上涨怎么解释完全取决于公司。Up 10% ?
==========================
Can someone pass the above to your email mailing list or WeiXin group?
I don't want to hear from the company that "The deal is over and you got 49
people".
r***u
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32
该如何操作阿?刚刚看到Ken昨天发的合同,昨天和Ken说的还是100,这25是自动加上
去的?
h********5
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33
是的, 不用担心, 有一个 GROUP NUMBER 的。
反正只要3/31前加入的已经白拿 $125 红包 BONUS ACCOUNT CREDIT。
h********5
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34
看看一线办事员的真心吐槽, 他自己都没权给这么好的DEAL, 小老板的大老板发话才
成的:
“Also, Just so you know, you group is saving on average $330.00 vs. new
customers not signing up on this group plan, and it is more if we reach the
milestones or have to do any repair work on their heating systems. Overall,
this is an above average deal that they are not going to find anywhere else
and I think that those that are holding our for a potentially better deal
are being unrealistic. Although there is always the change that prices could
go a little lower, it is equally possible that they will rise significantly
. Oil prices fall very slowly when they fall, but rise rapidly when they
rise. For example, it took 2 and a half months for oil prices to fall almost
a $1.50 this season, but only a week for them to rise .60 cents in early
March and for no particular reason.
s*****n
发帖数: 318
35
确认下超过estimate用量的那部分也是按capped price or market price, whichever
is lower, right? Thanks!

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: 看看一线办事员的真心吐槽, 他自己都没权给这么好的DEAL, 小老板的大老板发话才
: 成的:
: “Also, Just so you know, you group is saving on average $330.00 vs. new
: customers not signing up on this group plan, and it is more if we reach the
: milestones or have to do any repair work on their heating systems. Overall,
: this is an above average deal that they are not going to find anywhere else
: and I think that those that are holding our for a potentially better deal
: are being unrealistic. Although there is always the change that prices could
: go a little lower, it is equally possible that they will rise significantly
: . Oil prices fall very slowly when they fall, but rise rapidly when they

h********5
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36
理论上超过estimate用量的那部分按market price。 所以多报10%好了。
多50 gallon按capped price无所谓, 上百gallon 他们也许要求按market price

whichever

【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】
: 确认下超过estimate用量的那部分也是按capped price or market price, whichever
: is lower, right? Thanks!

h********5
发帖数: 386
37
发红包啦!
为了尽快过50, 所有3/31号以前加入本团的再拿25元EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS!
已经签约的也都有份, 可以跟[email protected]
/* */确认。 他不想老去改合同, 反
正以后ONLINE 账号BALANCE会显示的就行了。
ALLIANCE反映有几位电子合同EMAIL过后没反应, 请查一下BULK JUNK MAIL FOLDER.
1-2天没收到回复的可以打电话问询。
想加入的请电话 617-466-3014, 无人回答则留言回复电话说要求加入“2016BESTEVER"
Note: If the voice mail is full you can try email:
[email protected]
/* */
with name, phone number, address and mention want to join group “
2016BESTEVER".
They'll honor emails time stamped before any deadline they set.
这家公司送油区域很广, 号称东部麻省全送:
http://www.allianceexpress.com/
如有疑问, 上面链接右下角有ZIP CODE证实。
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1y
注意:这个DEAL是3/19石油 45.50 时谈成的。
公司说石油价格发生显著上涨就关门大吉了不再收新成员, 另外保留随时叫停权利。
时间有限, 加入从速。现在只担保不论石油价格涨多少到 3/30 晚上本团购还有效
,以后看情况听公司通知了。
石油只要高于 40 不大可能会有比2016BESTEVER更好的了。
假设1000GALLON 用油量:
100元开户红包, 2.599 成2.499了
别组服务计划249.95,我们149.95, 相当于又拿到100元实惠
2.499 成 2.399了
组员到五十人2.399成2.349了
组员到一百人2.349成2.299了
TRY BEAT THAT! 2016BESTEVER COULD VERY WELL BE 2016BESTAFTER TOO.
s*****n
发帖数: 318
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有谁解释下:
plus applicable taxes and a nonrefundable capped program fee, which is
payable upon your signing of this agreement, of _____
这个具体是多少?
h********5
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39
ZERO. 本团无CAP FEE. 没填自然是零。
CAPPED program对公司来说赔本或者少赚的风险大于FIXED program,想加入一般都得
先交200-500元CAP FEE.
还不放心的话请打公司电话 617-466-3014确认NO CAP FEE。
s*****n
发帖数: 318
40
为什么这里说的是monthly payment, 合同上说的好像是payment by delivery, 咱儿说
的是同一个plan吗? 还有合同上明确没有提到: group deal 到50人有5 cents off,
到100人有10cents off,作为consumer, 我如何知道这个group 的参与人数?
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『供求』Alliance Express2018取暖油计划, 2.099 固定价, 送T今年的heating oil Contract - Is $1.99 CAP price a good deal?
【供求】 Alliance Express 取暖油更新哪里有便宜的油Cap?我Cap的公司涨到3.99/Gal了
请推荐heating oil company明日,周三去开车去CAP COD有人同行吗?
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h********5
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你收到的eSigniture 电子合同的EMAIL就写了50,100 人的。
2016BESTEVER 本楼第一帖的英文版是权威解释。
这个为准:
5. Each person MUST be on a monthly payment plan with us. This is equal to:
their stated or estimated gallons per year multiplied by their maximum price
per gallon, plus the cost of the service plan added in if chosen, and
divided by 12. If at the end of the 12 months they have overpaid for any oil
they were charged for they will receive a refund check from us for the
credit balance. Monthly payments begin in April and can not be deferred
until next season.
你只要跟ALLIANCE 确认你加入了2016BESTEVER GROUP deal就行了。细节条款大家都一
样。
到人数了我会宣布的, 大家都在等红包呢。你也可以打电话给公司问的。签了电子合
同的才算的。 光打电话或EMAIL号称加入的只叫意向。发了电子合同没回复的也不算的。

【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】
: 为什么这里说的是monthly payment, 合同上说的好像是payment by delivery, 咱儿说
: 的是同一个plan吗? 还有合同上明确没有提到: group deal 到50人有5 cents off,
: 到100人有10cents off,作为consumer, 我如何知道这个group 的参与人数?

s*****n
发帖数: 318
42
合同上(email)均没有 2016BESTEVER 和以下第5条字眼,是这样吗?

price
oil

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: 你收到的eSigniture 电子合同的EMAIL就写了50,100 人的。
: 2016BESTEVER 本楼第一帖的英文版是权威解释。
: 这个为准:
: 5. Each person MUST be on a monthly payment plan with us. This is equal to:
: their stated or estimated gallons per year multiplied by their maximum price
: per gallon, plus the cost of the service plan added in if chosen, and
: divided by 12. If at the end of the 12 months they have overpaid for any oil
: they were charged for they will receive a refund check from us for the
: credit balance. Monthly payments begin in April and can not be deferred
: until next season.

h********5
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43
是的, 对公司来说只是一个GROUP NUMBER. 你EMAIL给KEN的文件里提到要求加入
2016BESTEVER就足够作为证据了。
你可以把一楼首页双横线夹着的英文部分2016BESTEVER定义(是公司原件一字没改)打
印出来存档, 有问题是公司方面出错不是你。电子合同是标准模板改动困难, 还是第
三方的一家公司提供的签约服务每次对公司收费, 所以这个公司业务员KEN不愿意改来
改去。
Alliance Express的 Parent company: HOP Energy, LLC
Ken的EMAIL是[email protected]
/* */显示的是Parent company: HOP Energy, LLC,
大家都是直接和 Alliance Express 签约。

【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】
: 合同上(email)均没有 2016BESTEVER 和以下第5条字眼,是这样吗?
:
: price
: oil

t****3
发帖数: 2799
44
Alliance 现雨的客户可以加入这个plan吗?
h********5
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45
KEN 说了不行。 只给新客户。
抢东西手快有好处。一开始他忘记了加这个条件, 结果有个小妹硬挤进来了。然后他
就加条款只限新客户,挖自家墙角对公司没好处啊。
抢客户时给出的条件自然更好。COMCAST 一样的道理。
看看KEN自己的吐槽:

Also, Just so you know, you group is saving on average $330.00 vs. new
customers not signing up on this group plan, and it is more if we reach the
milestones or have to do any repair work on their heating systems. Overall,
this is a deal that they are not going to find anywhere else
and I think that those that are holding our for a potentially better deal
are being unrealistic. Although there is always the change that prices could
go a little lower, it is equally possible that they will rise significantly
. Oil prices fall very slowly when they fall, but rise rapidly when they
rise. For example, it took 2 and a half months for oil prices to fall almost
a $1.50 this season, but only a week for them to rise .60 cents in early
March and for no particular reason.
Ken

发红包啦!
为了尽快过50, 所有3/31号以前加入本团的再拿25元EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS!
已经签约的也都有份, 可以跟[email protected]
/* */确认。 他不想老去改合同, 反
正以后ONLINE 账号BALANCE会显示的就行了。
ALLIANCE反映有几位电子合同EMAIL过后没反应, 请查一下BULK JUNK MAIL FOLDER.
1-2天没收到回复的可以打电话问询。
想加入的请电话 617-466-3014, 无人回答则留言回复电话说要求加入“2016BESTEVER"
Note: If the voice mail is full you can try email:
[email protected]
/* */
with name, phone number, address and mention want to join group “
2016BESTEVER".
They'll honor emails time stamped before any deadline they set.
这家公司送油区域很广, 号称东部麻省全送:
http://www.allianceexpress.com/
如有疑问, 上面链接右下角有ZIP CODE证实。
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1y
注意:这个DEAL是3/19石油 45.50 时谈成的。
公司说石油价格发生显著上涨就关门大吉了不再收新成员, 另外保留随时叫停权利。
时间有限, 加入从速。现在只担保不论石油价格涨多少到 3/30 晚上本团购还有效
,以后看情况听公司通知了。
石油只要高于 40 不大可能会有比2016BESTEVER更好的了。
假设1000GALLON 用油量:
100元开户红包, 2.599 成2.499了 (为了尽快过50, 所有3/31号以前加入本团的再
拿25元EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS! ) (成2.474, 3/31号以前加入本团的 )
别组服务计划249.95,我们149.95, 相当于又拿到100元实惠
2.499 成 2.399了 (成2.374, 3/31号以前加入本团的 )
组员到五十人2.399成2.349了 (成2.324, 3/31号以前加入本团的 )
组员到一百人2.349成2.299了 (成2.274, 3/31号以前加入本团的 )
TRY BEAT THAT! 2016BESTEVER COULD VERY WELL BE 2016BESTAFTER TOO.
组员到五十人4月底前应该没问题的, 所以 $2.549 可能性很大。
h********5
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 1:56 PM
Ken,
I also got several inquiries about can't see 149.95 service plan anywhere,
don't know if they are in the service plan or not.
-------------------
Today at 5:30 PM
OK, I'll add it to the welcome message
Ken
=======================================================
现在开始新成员的欢迎EMAIL会有149.95 service plan信息。
(后注: 已经告诉ALLIANCE 除非有人明确不要, 所有团员自动加入$149.95服务计划。
不想要的可以跟KEN自己提出来)
以前加入没看到的也没关系, 告诉KEN了大家DEFAULT都要149.95 service plan。
最后会要求他提供谁选择不要的名单核实。
即使新设备每年TUNEUP MAINTENANCE也是需要的, 单买要199。 买149.95 service
plan包括了, 所以不要149.95 service plan的是不科学。
KEN 说了明天会给人数统计。 到50人减5分相当于大家都拿到50元红包, 加上100元开
户红包这个149.95的service plan 也相当于不用付钱的了。
h********5
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Ken Chaple Today at 10:43 AM
I have appx. 18 signed contracts and am still waiting on 3 signatures. The
deadline is being extended until April 1st.
============================================
石油从51.5跌回48.15, KEN把担保时间延长到 4/1 了。 只要石油不大涨过了4/1继续
有效(当然了, 公司保留随时叫停权利)。
KEN说一周内只算签约和发约的21个了(没处理到的电话EMAIL不算)。 4月底前组员到
五十人应该没问题的, 所以所有团员都能再拿到5分红包的可能性很大。
25元额外红包EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS只对3/31晚之前加入的有效。
已经加入的团员一人找一个就50达标了。
h********5
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48
As of noon time today I have 20 signed contracts and am waiting on an
additional 5 signatures.
Also, the sign up period is now extended until this Friday, April 3rd. Keep
them coming.
h********5
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Today at 12:43 PM:
Heating Oil price have risen about 20 cents per gallon over the past few
days. This is not a guarantee that prices will continue to climb and we are
not changing our offer to your group at this time, but I want you to be
aware of what is happening. If prices continue to go up we will have to
revise the offer.
h********5
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50
Today at 3:04 PM From KEN:
Effective Friday May 1, 2015 my company will be re-instituting a CAP fee of
.20 cents per protected gallons for all customers including this group. That
means that if someone uses 1000 gallons per year there will be a $200.00
fee to protect the price that will be either collected at the time the
account is established, or added to the monthly payment plan. There are no
exceptions to this. All contracts must be signed by Thursday evening or the
fee will be charged.
You may want to let those that have not talked to me yet, and might still be
interested in the offer, that time is now limited to this Thursday at 5pm
to call and accept the offer. After that the program will be discontinued.
======================================
收到通知本团购组 4/30 晚(已签约才算)结束。 欲加入从速。
以后即使 ALLIANCE 有别的团购也得交 200元 CAP fee.
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M**********H
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51
刚买房子,如何估计自己家的油用量呢?按每平方尺算?谢谢!
h********5
发帖数: 386
52
麻省平均用油量850加仑(CONDO/TOWNHOUSE INCLUDED)。
独立屋1000加仑左右比较正常。 1100基本够2000尺内的了。
同样面积下屋顶墙内保暖层厚度, 设置温度, 有无程序自动控制会有20-30%差别。
如果知道以前住户用哪家公司打个电话就知道了。

【在 M**********H 的大作中提到】
: 刚买房子,如何估计自己家的油用量呢?按每平方尺算?谢谢!
m*****a
发帖数: 2609
53
Be warned that you may get hard inquiry even before you sign the application!
现在的plan马上要过期了,想赶在4/30前跳这个deal,今天联系了ken,并收到了e-
contract,还没有sign。当刚刚得到通知TransUnion被hard inquiry了!(from HOP
Energy)。从这个帖子里和Ken的电话里,我从没有看到这个需要hard credit inquiry!
而且我当前的plan,去年sign up时也没有要pull。退一万步,即便pull,他们也可以
做一个soft inquiry或者其他信用查询系统比如ChexSystems。马上要申请个贷款,有
了这个inquiry非常不利。而且,他们也应该得到同意才pull,哪能不告知情况下,因
为有意向就pull了!
刚刚给Ken打了电话,他表示也很惊讶,说是他们只做soft inquiry,说除非得不到
credit score才pull hard,但是他表示从他看来应该是soft。我听了还保有一线希望
,因为通知时Credit Karma发的,或许他们搞错了。可惜,我直接去了transunion,附
件是TransUnion的官方creit report截图,确实是HARD!
最后声明,我不是什么找不到信用记录的新人,来这边已经七八年了,从学生到现在固
定工作,一切信用情况正常,总共没搬过几次家。唯一的解释是HOP Energy里面的人可
能mess up,鬼使神差地选了hard inquiry? 再或者我去年夏季买房,所以因为住在当
前地址不到两年所以pull了?(Ken在电话里提到说如果再当前地址不到两年就也写上之
前地址,我就如实写了)。
Anyway, very unhappy experience. Henry12345,强烈建议你把这个情况放在你第一
个帖子里,以免后来人步我后尘。
P.S. 我后来看到contract document里是有部分写道了credit report,但问题我还没
来得看contract,而且也没sign。结果直接就被pull了。问了Ken,被告知他什么也做
不了。请问有没有人知道是否可以要求TransUnion remove这个inquiry?可以确定没有
给予任何授权,无论书目还是口头的。
h********5
发帖数: 386
54

唯一的解释是HOP Energy里面的人可
能mess up,鬼使神差地选了hard inquiry? 再或者我去年夏季买房,所以因为住在当
前地址不到两年所以pull了?(Ken在电话里提到说如果再当前地址不到两年就也写上之
前地址,我就如实写了)。”
=============================
似乎是他们的CREDIT APPROVAL有点问题, 应该不是普遍现象。
其实AUTOMATIC DELIVERY是需要CREDIT CHECK的。 跟租房一样, 有些公司不那么严格
不去查也是可能的。 至于查个信用记录有那么多道道以前还真不清楚。
我会在首页加上HOP ENERYGY极可能会去查信用记录这一条(一楼第四行, 怎么查法是
他们的事)。 同时已经向KEN反映了你对此有抱怨, 要求他们尽可能用不留记录的SOFT
CHECK。
我想有信用查询只表示你曾申请过一些东西而已, 并不是什么BAD RECORD NONPAYMENT.
有这么一次以后就不用了。以前用过他们公司直接激活老账号也是可以有的。
m*****a
发帖数: 2609
55
Ken也是这么解释的,但是为什么这么倒霉。。。总之发生了就不能挽回,各位注意一
下。
另外,这个办事太不专业了,应该至少得到用户的授权(当然真问我,我在这个时候就
不会授权了,因为最近需要申请贷款)。
已经在这边这么多年,也申了n多卡,对credit inquiry还是了解的。一个credit
inquiry影响10几分还是可能的,特别是new inquiry。除了申请贷款,我也就申卡和租
房时被pull过,其他时候能避免的,全力避免。比如去年为新家找internet时Verizon
FIOS也说要查我的信用记录,我就选择了交deposit代替。总体来说还没有随随便便就
浪费一个hard inquiry。
这个事情跟你无关,或许我是倒霉的个例(之前sign up的同志可以说说自己情况),
但是发生了无论如何不爽。

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: “
: 唯一的解释是HOP Energy里面的人可
: 能mess up,鬼使神差地选了hard inquiry? 再或者我去年夏季买房,所以因为住在当
: 前地址不到两年所以pull了?(Ken在电话里提到说如果再当前地址不到两年就也写上之
: 前地址,我就如实写了)。”
: =============================
: 似乎是他们的CREDIT APPROVAL有点问题, 应该不是普遍现象。
: 其实AUTOMATIC DELIVERY是需要CREDIT CHECK的。 跟租房一样, 有些公司不那么严格
: 不去查也是可能的。 至于查个信用记录有那么多道道以前还真不清楚。
: 我会在首页加上HOP ENERYGY极可能会去查信用记录这一条(一楼第四行, 怎么查法是

h********5
发帖数: 386
56
谢谢理解。大多数是自住不是租HOUSE, 近期需要申请贷款的应该很少。
h********5
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57
KEN 说我们应该在35-40之间了, 还差10几个就可以到50人。 4/30/2015 5PM 结束 ,
最后三天!
大家可以找找看, 到50后所有人都降5分, 相当于50元红包。
另外他说所有成员的CREDIT SCORE 都是HIGH 700, 只有memajia 意外PULL了 hard
inquiry(应该是查不到CREDIT SCORE才需要hard inquiry), 不是他干的是他们公司
CREDIT DEPARTMENT干的, 说他已向memajia道歉了。
h********5
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http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1y
石油奔 60 去了, 公司不干了似乎可以理解。这个DEAL是3/19石油 45.50 时谈成的。
最后 2天了。 收到通知本团购组 4/30 晚(已签约才算)结束。 欲加入从速。
以后即使 ALLIANCE 有别的团购也得先交 200元 CAP fee.
h********5
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59
Update from Ken:
"
Ken Chaple Today at 12:41 PM
I have 37 completed contracts and am awaiting 2 more signatures bringing us
to 39 total accounts as of this time.
"
----------------
h********5
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60
Q: I got the agreement from Alliance, but the cap fee is still in the
contract. Did you get the same doc?
A: That field is empty for our group members, ZERO.
----------------
According to Ken from tomorrow 5/1 any CAPPED program will have to pay a
upfront fee of about $200.
本团购今晚结束。 已经收到合同的请5PM前签电子合同。
今天最后一天了, 45个了! 只差5个 !
晚上最终数目出来我会去跟KEN 谈一下, 希望能宽限几天让我们吃5分的红包吧。
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h********5
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61
发红包啦!49个了! 只差 1 个 !
为了尽快到50,第 50位 加入本团的再拿50元EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS!这样所有团员都
可以拿到5分OFF 成 2.549 CAPPED, 相当于50元红包。
这样第50位加入本团的实际相当拿到又100元红包.
h********5
发帖数: 386
62
Ken Chaple Today at 2:53 PM
I am waiting on 5 more signatures and if they all sign the agreement we will
be at 49... The next one will be the lucky one...
================
哈哈, 不需要延期了, 只差一位LUCKY ONE!
今晚大家都应该是2.549! 到50人所有团员降5分的红包基本到手!
h********5
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63
KEN Today at 4:34 PM:
Xxxx Xxx is the unofficial lucky winner... I'm waiting on signatures to get
to 50 still. I will confirm tomorrow after I've had a chance to count, but
we are definitely over 50 if everyone signs the contract.
=============
过 50 了! 所有成员都是 2.549 CAPPED!
合同没签完所以第50位LUCKY member KEN 明天正式通知。
h********5
发帖数: 386
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"Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 19:58:34 -0400
Hi ,
I'll like to sign up as well. Is it too late?
Thanks,
Lin
"
===========================================
I guess if you ask today before midnight it's still highly possible.
Just email [email protected]
/* */ and say you have to work during the day no
access to email. Just got the news in the evening and want to join. He
might relax the 5PM rule a little bit.
h********5
发帖数: 386
65
Today at 4:15 PM
Ken:
Keng Hsu is the official 50th lucky winner of the 50元 EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS!
===========================
Note: The Group Deal is officially over, but unofficially Ken can get a few
more in if you ACT fast enough!(make sure you ask for NO $200 CAP fee)
谢谢 Keng Hsu 让所有团员都减了5分, 相当于给大家每人发了50元红包!
c*******7
发帖数: 314
66
谢谢,今天加入了,还是2。549
h**********0
发帖数: 58
67
4.28号晚上sign的电子合同,可是至今没有收到welcome email,请问这个正常吗?有
后面sign的已经收到welcome email的吗?谢谢!

few

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: Today at 4:15 PM
: Ken:
: Keng Hsu is the official 50th lucky winner of the 50元 EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS!
: ===========================
: Note: The Group Deal is officially over, but unofficially Ken can get a few
: more in if you ACT fast enough!(make sure you ask for NO $200 CAP fee)
: 谢谢 Keng Hsu 让所有团员都减了5分, 相当于给大家每人发了50元红包!

m*****a
发帖数: 2609
68
没有关系吧,因为你收到的那份是Ken已经sign好的,原则上你sign之后它就生效了,
跟是否收到"welcome email"无关。我签后没收到什么"welcome email",只是一封
title为”SmartSign Web Receipt from HOP Energy, LLC“的email,上面附件放了签
好的合同(其实你签完那个链接也可以下载一份签好的)。
后来因为要sign up online account,已经从Ken哪里问到了account number,所以我
assume一切正常。
BTW,我收到receipt的email是当时打开合同时需要注册那个,不是我和Ken通信那个,
害得我当时好奇为什么没收到receipt,后来才想起来是用了另一个email,所以你注意
看你是不是也是这样。

【在 h**********0 的大作中提到】
: 4.28号晚上sign的电子合同,可是至今没有收到welcome email,请问这个正常吗?有
: 后面sign的已经收到welcome email的吗?谢谢!
:
: few

h********5
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"welcome email" 泛指带电子合同链接的那份EMAIL, KEN在上面标注了50人2.549,
100人2.499的那份EMAIL。 你既然签约了自然收到了。
以后会有LETTER, 一个是每月账单,可以选择建立 CREDIT CARD (或
CHECKING ACCOUNT)ONLINE AUTOMATIC PAYMENT, 付12次或者TILL CANCEL。
最后按实际用量多退少补。
另一个是SERVICE PLAN LETTER, 号称原价$509(一般折扣到249-299), 给本团员折
扣价149.95. 这个不用单付, KEN 说折算到月付里了。 考虑到100元开户红包以及价
格从2.599降为2.549约50元, 大家相当于白拿了SERVICE PLAN。
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1m
这个DEAL是3/19石油 45.50 时谈成的。现在油价 62 了, 大家参加的时机不错。

【在 h**********0 的大作中提到】
: 4.28号晚上sign的电子合同,可是至今没有收到welcome email,请问这个正常吗?有
: 后面sign的已经收到welcome email的吗?谢谢!
:
: few

h********5
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70
还有人打电话给KEN要求加入, 今天他说了本团最后2天宽限, 5/8 号以后真的不能再
加人了!
KEN Today 5/6 at 5:52 PM:
“my manager has told me that the program has to end this Friday 5/8.
After Friday we will still be offering a good deal based on our costs for
the oil at that time, but they will not be considered a part of this group
and will therefore be subject to the CAP fee.
"
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p********n
发帖数: 148
71
我发邮件要求加入了,不知道还来不来得及?
h********5
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72
应该有戏, 毕竟周末油价不会变动白天加入的未必签约完成。 我会跟KEN要求一下。
想加入的赶紧给KEN发EMAIL.
到了下周我自己都不好意思去逼他了。时间已经给的够多的了。

【在 p********n 的大作中提到】
: 我发邮件要求加入了,不知道还来不来得及?
h********5
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Today at 5:28 PM
Since the price of oil has fallen again the company has decided to continue
on with the program. If anyone else wants to join please have them call or
email me. We need 33 to get to 100 so we can lower the price per gallon
again.
Thanks
h********5
发帖数: 386
74
Today at 12:51 PM
Ken:
We need appx 19 to get to 100 then everyone enjoys 2.499 capped.
================
现在只要 19 人达标 100, 大家就都是2.499 CAPPED!
相当于又是 50元 红包!
================
想加入的请电话 617-466-3014, 无人回答则留言回复电话说要求加入“2016BESTEVER"
Note: If the voice mail is full you can try email:
[email protected]
/* */
with name, phone number, address and mention want to join group “
2016BESTEVER".
They'll honor emails time stamped before any deadline they set.
这家公司送油区域很广, 号称东部麻省全送:
http://www.allianceexpress.com/
如有疑问, 上面链接右下角有ZIP CODE证实。
达标 100, 所有成员2.499的可能性已经很大了。
h********5
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75
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=3m
石油又开始上行了。 要加入从速免得石油过了62 Ken 又要考虑关闭团购了。
h********5
发帖数: 386
76

Ken Chaple Today at 4:32 PM
The CAP is now being lowered to $2.499 for everyone. I'm working on further
discounts for 150 members.

===============================
好消息, Alliance决定提前给大家发百人红包了(最新统计实际是74人), 所有成员
都降价为2.499了。
考虑到100元开户红包加上买带TUNEUP,包零件人工的服务计划上至少省100元, 用油
1000加仑的用户实际价格接近2.299.
150人后还有红包, 讨论中。
=================================
想加入的请电话 617-466-3014, 无人回答则留言回复电话说要求加入“2016BESTEVER"
Note: If the voice mail is full you can try email:
[email protected]
/* */
with name, phone number, address and mention want to join group “
2016BESTEVER".
They'll honor emails time stamped before any deadline they set.
这家公司送油区域很广, 号称东部麻省全送:
http://www.allianceexpress.com/
如有疑问, 上面链接右下角有ZIP CODE证实。
l********h
发帖数: 130
77
请问如果我定了1000加仑的油,每个月都是付1000*whatever price/12。但是实际上只
用了800gallon,那么多余的钱会退吗?
谢谢!
h********5
发帖数: 386
78

5)大家都是MONTHLY PAYMENT PLAN(可以用信用卡ONLINE PAY),估计用油量X2.599
/12为每月收费量, 从4月开始, 所有人员都必须如此。最后多退少补。”
-------------
是的。 应该改为 “ 估计用油量 X 2.499/12为每月收费量” 了。
反正最后是 (总付钱 + 开户红包) - (总实用 + $149.95服务计划)。

【在 l********h 的大作中提到】
: 请问如果我定了1000加仑的油,每个月都是付1000*whatever price/12。但是实际上只
: 用了800gallon,那么多余的钱会退吗?
: 谢谢!

h********5
发帖数: 386
79
Q:With recent drop in heating oil price I got people ask whether there a
place(web link?) to check Alliance Express's daily market price so they can
be sure they got the lower between 2.499 cap and market price?
Answer from KEN:
There is no place online that they can go to check their price for any
particular day. Please don't have people start calling our customer service
department asking about price for 2 reasons; 1: they are not due for a
delivery until September so we don't need the added calls for something that
is pointless anyways, and 2: because no one in your group is due for a
delivery prior to September the pricing on the account may not be updated
right away to reflect current pricing. I can assure you that at the time of
their delivery the pricing on their account will be accurate for that day.
FYI: if anyone got a delivery today their price per gallon would be $2.349
and that will probably be lower by about 5 or 10 cents tomorrow due to
another decrease in price.
==================================
CAPPED 优势显示出来了,不怕暴跌。 如果你今天加油 ALLIANCE 只收2.349, 明天2.
249-2.299.
所有团员在加油的那一天是2.499 或者当天ALLIANCE市场价中哪个低按哪个收钱。
如果伊朗危机解决造成年底ALLIANCE市场价跌到1.5那我们加油时也是1.5。
Alliance 的市场价比较平均, 也许比最低的高1-2毛, 考虑到100元开户红包加上买
带TUNEUP,包零件人工的服务计划上至少省100元, 总体差别不是太大。
CAPPED 也不怕涨, 最多付2.499.
h********5
发帖数: 386
80
Ken update at 4PM today:
Alliance market price has been reduced to 2.249, so our capped program
automatically get the lower 2.249 if you get a fill today.
The cap itself(2.499) can't be changed unless we reach 150 people. A
contract is a contract, we can't ask him to reduce the cap just because
market price dropped. What if they ask to raise our cap if market priced
increased instead? This applies to all group deals from Alliance Express,
not just us.
Plus individuals who waited this long even if they can get lower cap they
can't get 149$ service plan(the 149$ service plan we get is for group deal
only). They have to pay 280$ for the same service plan.
But since oil price is in stable to lower trend, his personal opinion is the
cap might not make any difference at all since we all get 2.249 right now (
or even lower at delivery). Unless oil price suddenly rise again due to war
etc.(won't pay higher than 2.499 anyway).
USA is energy independent, China automobile demand dropped due to the stock
market crash, Iran has 5 years' worth of stored oil production ready to dump
to market after the embargo ends, OPEC countries need money for budget
deficiency can't afford to reduce oil production - those factors make it
hard for oil to rise for a while.
Our group delivery mostly starts in September. If you think right now is the
bottom for oil price and would like to get a delivery at 2.249 , check your
oil tank level. If you have LESS than half tank of oil you can call KEN to
get a fill at 2.249. But be warned that oil price can drop further so you
might end up save nothing at all if price drops further after September.
http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2015/07/30/4449673.html
"
原油价格暴跌两成 汽油价将跌破两元(组图)
文章来源: 世界日报 于 2015-07-30 08:25:45
中国股市危机和贵金属市场崩盘成为近期关注焦点之际,原油价格也再度悄悄下跌,单
在7月跌幅即近20%,29日一度跌破47美元,接近3月所出现自2009年以来的最低点。专
家预期,每加仑低于2元的油价将重现。
"
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/30/oil-to-hit-low-30s-by-the-end-of
"Christmas time we'll probably be rebounding off new lows off of the mid to
low 30s," he told CNBC's "Squawk Box." "We have a lot to go. We're going to
take out the March lows of $43 and trade down to the 30s in my view."
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/22/white-house-touts-energy-inde
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/09/china-car-sales-stock-crash/
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1891&dat=19821212&id=AqcfAAAAIBAJ&
sjid=O9YEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1637,1730069&hl=en
http://news.yahoo.com/opec-chief-says-oil-cartel-not-ready-cut-
http://blog.inkerman.com/index.php/2014/12/12/the-curse-of-the-
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3145786-iranian-oil-potential-e
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l********h
发帖数: 130
81
不会有这么低吧?2块多钱?我今天本想refill,打电话问说今天是3.29,所以按cap 2
.49收费。怎么两天前才2.29?
h********5
发帖数: 386
82
Call ken 617-4663014 if you ARE member of our group(2016BESTEVER) and you
should get the lower price 2.249 today(make sure you have LESS than half
tank before calling, he won't do it for people with more than half tank).
Just verified with Ken.
Automatic delivery for all members should start next month anyway, at this
time Ken said he doesn't expect price to change upwards(lower more likely,
but anything could happen.)
If you didn't sign up through Ken then no deal. Did you call Ken or the
company general phone number for 3.29 quote?

2

【在 l********h 的大作中提到】
: 不会有这么低吧?2块多钱?我今天本想refill,打电话问说今天是3.29,所以按cap 2
: .49收费。怎么两天前才2.29?

l********h
发帖数: 130
83
谢谢henry热心回复。 刚才customer service打电话告诉我说他们搞错了我的价格,的
确今天是2.249.
请问一下那个automatic delivery是啥意思?我打电话问客户服务,她说是delivery
by request。如果自动加油的话,是他们每过一段时间就来一次加满tank,不管你用了
多少吗?

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: Call ken 617-4663014 if you ARE member of our group(2016BESTEVER) and you
: should get the lower price 2.249 today(make sure you have LESS than half
: tank before calling, he won't do it for people with more than half tank).
: Just verified with Ken.
: Automatic delivery for all members should start next month anyway, at this
: time Ken said he doesn't expect price to change upwards(lower more likely,
: but anything could happen.)
: If you didn't sign up through Ken then no deal. Did you call Ken or the
: company general phone number for 3.29 quote?
:

h********5
发帖数: 386
84
automatic delivery是他们九月第一次加满后他们会注意气候温度变化(和以前用油规
律如果是老客户), 保证你的油箱不空,加油时间他们决定, 也许每月加或者更频繁
。 你自己不用管了。
当然也要EXERCISE COMMON SENSE, 只有1/8~1/4油了他们还没来加油就该督促他们一
下。
Worry-free home heating oil delivery is automatic with Alliance Express
The best way to make sure you don't run out of heating oil is to sign up for
Automatic Delivery.
We use computer software to monitor your heating oil usage along with the
weather - so we always know when you need a delivery.
It's free to sign up for Automatic Delivery.
What's more, Automatic Delivery offers the ultimate in convenience, since
you:
Don't have to keep track of the amount of oil you use.
Don't have to be home when deliveries are made.
Don't have to pay on delivery.

【在 l********h 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢henry热心回复。 刚才customer service打电话告诉我说他们搞错了我的价格,的
: 确今天是2.249.
: 请问一下那个automatic delivery是啥意思?我打电话问客户服务,她说是delivery
: by request。如果自动加油的话,是他们每过一段时间就来一次加满tank,不管你用了
: 多少吗?

l********h
发帖数: 130
85
谢谢哦!

for

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: automatic delivery是他们九月第一次加满后他们会注意气候温度变化(和以前用油规
: 律如果是老客户), 保证你的油箱不空,加油时间他们决定, 也许每月加或者更频繁
: 。 你自己不用管了。
: 当然也要EXERCISE COMMON SENSE, 只有1/8~1/4油了他们还没来加油就该督促他们一
: 下。
: Worry-free home heating oil delivery is automatic with Alliance Express
: The best way to make sure you don't run out of heating oil is to sign up for
: Automatic Delivery.
: We use computer software to monitor your heating oil usage along with the
: weather - so we always know when you need a delivery.

h********5
发帖数: 386
86

6/11/2015 Ken Chaple Today at 4:32 PM
The CAP is now being lowered to $2.499 for everyone. I'm working on further
discounts for 150 members.

===============
好消息, Alliance决定提前给大家发百人红包了(最新统计实际是74人), 所有成员
都降价为2.499了。
考虑到100元开户红包加上买带TUNEUP,包零件人工的服务计划上至少省100元, 用油
1000加仑的用户实际价格接近2.299.
150人后还有红包, 讨论中。
===============
注意: 现有的ALLIANCE 客户不能加入, 只对新客户有效!
因为是自动送油, HOP ENERGY极可能会去查信用记录,他们可以接受的才批准。
他们说CHECK CREDIT一般是soft hit, 少数情况是 hard pull,他们事先也无法控制
但是不影响CREDIT SCORE。
KEN:
“Everyone is asked if we can pull a credit score. I am told it is usually a
soft hit, but in some cases it can be a hard hit and there is no advance
warning as to which one. Although I ask everyone if it is ok to run their
credit, please put it in your notes that in order to open an account with us
we do perform a credit check. This is true of ALL full service companies.
From what I understand, most people in this group have scores well over 700
and our inquiry, regardless of the type, will not affect any credit
decisions on their behalf.”
小老板的大老板发话了, DEAL真的成了!
另外发红包看我们抢得到不:
不到50人现在就 $2.599 CAP (已作废起始价)
到50人, 减五分, $2.549 CAP (已达标)
到100人,减一毛, $2.499 CAP (现在团购价)
到150人 ,讨论中
注意: 先加入$2.599 CAP的人自动降为$2.499 CAP如果人数超过100.
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1m
注意:这个DEAL是3/19石油 45.50 时谈成的。
另外, 这个合同跟现有的合同不冲突(不管3/31 还是4-5-6/31到期), 可以选择什
么时候开始送油, 4月也行, 11月也行。
到规模了, 可以说公司名字了: Alliance Express.
Parent company: HOP Energy, LLC
想加入的请电话 617-466-3014, 无人回答则留言回复电话说要求加入“2016BESTEVER"
Note: If the voice mail is full you can try email:
[email protected]
/* */
with name, phone number, address and mention want to join group “
2016BESTEVER".
They'll honor emails time stamped before any deadline they set.
这家公司送油区域很广, 号称东部麻省全送:
http://www.allianceexpress.com/
如有疑问, 上面链接右下角有ZIP CODE证实。
Plan Details:
========================================
1)加油最高不超过 $2.599 CAPPED, 如果市场零售油价跌过了$2.599自动下调为
市场零售油价,不是固定价! 很多人都不知道CAPPED 好过 FIXED.
现在就 $2.599 CAP
到50人, 减五分, $2.549 CAP
到100人,减一毛, $2.499 CAP
2)$100 元开户红包 account credit (所有3/31号以前加入的$125)
3)预估用油量要准一点, 超量按当时市价(差别小于50 GALLON无所谓, 上百GALLON
他们不 高兴的)。多报5-10%应该够了。
4)$149.95服务计划(原价$299)包TUNEUP, 故障诊断, 零件加人工。不需要的可以
不买这项。很好了,这家公司TUNEUP 就要 $199!!, 无服务计划的上门费就要收99,
故障诊断, 零件加人工另外收钱。买个免死金牌保险真的很值!尽可能要买啊,大家
一定要买啊! 可以放进月付, 也可以单付。 账户已经拿到100元红包了, 自己出$49
.95就一切OK放心过冬了(极可能这49.95都不用出了, 团员到50人就相当于又白送50
(1000 X 0.05))。原价$300, 其他团购组都是249.95!怀侥幸心理不买结果倒赔
800块修理费加99上门费的将来不要诉苦, 自己的选择。已经谈到50%OFF了还不买!
(后注: 已经告诉ALLIANCE 除非有人明确不要, 所有团员自动加入$149.95服务计划
不想要的可以跟KEN自己提出)
5)大家都是MONTHLY PAYMENT PLAN(可以用信用卡ONLINE PAY),估计用油量X2.599
/12为每月收费量, 从4月开始, 所有人员都必须如此。最后多退少补。
FORMAL version from company ,SAME FOR ALL MEMBER!No Change。
=================
I am sending this email to confirm the terms of the offer we are executing
to help clear up any concerns your members may have
1. You are on a Capped price of $2.599 per gallon for 12 months. This price
will fall to a $2.549 CAP once the group has reached a minimum of 50 people
and $2.499 per gallon once the group has reached a minimum of 100 people.
2. Each person in the group will receive a $100.00 credit on their account
that is only valid towards the payment of future oil deliveries or service
from us.($125 for people who joined before end of 3/31)
3. It is important to quote the proper amount of gallons to be consumed
during the year because if a persons estimated gallons runs out before the
year is up then their contract is over and they will be charged the then
going rate. In other words, if you tell me you burn 800 gallons a year and
you really burn 900 gallons a year, 100 gallons will not be covered by this
agreement. This needs to be determined before I send the contract. I will no
longer send a revised contract with increased gallons. Each contract we
send costs us money.
4. Although the service plan is optional it is highly recommended. The cost
of the service plan is $149.95 for the year. It includes the annual
maintenance, waives all diagnostic fees, and covers repairs on covered
components.
5. Each person MUST be on a monthly payment plan with us. This is equal to:
their stated or estimated gallons per year multiplied by their maximum price
per gallon, plus the cost of the service plan added in if chosen, and
divided by 12. If at the end of the 12 months they have overpaid for any oil
they were charged for they will receive a refund check from us for the
credit balance. Monthly payments begin in April and can not be deferred
until next season.
Failure to adhere to any of the terms stated above could result in the
contract being cancelled on that individual.
These are the only terms we have agreed to and they can not be changed for
any one so please don't ask.
I hope this clears up any questions your potential group members have.
Note: current Alliance Express customers are not eligible for this offer.
This is for NEW customers only.
======================================================
If interested please call 617-466-3014. If no answer please leave a message
with your name and phone number , address and mention the group name “
2016BESTEVER".
Note: If the voicemail is full you can try email:
[email protected]
/* */
with name, phone number , address and mention want to join group “
2016BESTEVER".
They'll honor emails time stamped before any deadline they set.
Disclosure:
1)No guarantee there is no lower group deal from other sources later since
crude oil price can go lower. Apple to apple this is not bad deal at all.
2)I might receive some referral discount from the company.
3)I encourage people to post better deals whatever it comes from.
Competition makes a better market.
r***u
发帖数: 75
87
everyone on monthly payment plan, 这个是说每个月结吗?
h********5
发帖数: 386
88
2)后续加油最高不超过 $2.599 CAPPED, 如果市场零售油价跌过了$2.599自动下调为
市场零售油价, 不是固定价! 很多人都不知道CAPPED 好过 FIXED.
Best explanation between CAPPED vs FIXED
We have CAPPED deal, better than FIXED deal !
-------------
Capped – This plan offers you a “cap,” or a maximum on what your fuel
will cost. If the market price exceeds your cap price, you won’t have to
pay more. If the market price declines, you’ll be able to take advantage of
the lower price. When prevailing retail price drops below your CAPPED price
, you automatically begin to pay the lower prevailing retail price on your
heating oil!
------------------
Fixed–This plan offers a set price for 12 months. If the price of oil
fluctuates, your price will stay at the originally agreed-upon price.
m*****a
发帖数: 2609
89
Thanks for sharing! I am in a capped plan which last until June this year.
Have several quick questions if you can clarify:
1. Do you sign a binding or non-biding contract with Alliance Express? What'
s the penalty if it is binding and you exit early.
2. How long the cap period will last? Also, when does it start, at the first
delivery or when the contract is signed?
3. You said customer can decide the starting date (even after months). The
service plan ($199) can hold and start at the same time, right?
4. Is there a total quota on how many gallon oils will be delivered at the
capped price? If yes, what if the estimation is too low?
5. Does Alliance have online payment option? Do they accept credit cards?
Thank you for the replies!

market

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: ALERT:
: Talk to Alliance again and the rep said this price guaranteed till end of 3/
: 27 no matter of market movement. After that if crude oil price doesn't go up
: meaningfully then the deal is still ON till further notice. But the group
: will be closed down if price goes up meaningfully. So he won't hold the
: group open till we reach 50 or 100 people(all depends on crude oil price
: level). If you're interested then ACT fast.
: http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1y
: The major drop is over. Surprise might come at the upside not further
: downside. But anything could happen. Look at the above chart this is not a

m*****a
发帖数: 2609
90
I also like to hear the comments from those who used Alliance Express in the
past: Is there anything you would complain about? For example, suspect on
the reading accuracy on the bill, response speed to your service request,
unreasonable charge on your normal service, etc.
Thanks.
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地下室的烟囱壁漏水我被搞糊涂了
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h********5
发帖数: 386
91
What's the penalty if it is binding and you exit early.

It's binding, after you sign the contract they prebuy the estimated oil to
avoid upside surprise. You'll have to pay 400-500$ termination fee to void
the contract after 3 day grace period(no penalty if cancel in 3 days). This
is standard industry practice for CAPPED/FIXED plan.
first delivery or when the contract is signed?
Contract covers 4/1/2015 to 3/31/2016, but you can select the month to start
. In your case you can ask delivery from 7/1/2015, or even later such as 11/
1/2015.
$149 for service plan. Yes, The service plan ($149) can hold and start at
the same time. But you have to decide you want the service plan or not
before first delivery. You can't say I want to join after the furnace blows
up:-).
They will use your past usage as a guess if you had been their customer in
the past. You can just also tell them how much you need, such as 5% above
last year usage to be comfortable. The quote is just a guidance for them to
prebuy oil, they certainly don't want to buy too much or too little in
advance. Getting close is fine.
5. Does Alliance have online payment option? Do they accept credit cards?
Yes, You can register your account online and pay with any major credit card.
h********5
发帖数: 386
92
Used them in the past. Not bad for me.
There were some group deals with Alliance Express in the past, no major
complaints from what I hear.
Especially with $149 service plan ($299 value) I recommended everyone to buy
there should be a lot less trouble when things go wrong. Otherwise you have
to pay $199 for tuneup alone, makes no sense NOT to take it.
This is also a good part about joining a Group Deal. You are not fighting
the bad guy alone IF you are truly mistreated. In some sense you got the
group behind you.
Alone, you're 放牛娃,苦哈哈长工。只有挨揍的份。
Together,we're 红军, 是穷人的队伍, 可以打土豪, 分田地了。
You got more respect if you're a group member instead of 散户.
另外, 已经有Alliance Express现有客户想加入我们组被公司拒绝了。
既然现有客户还愿意用他们说明还算不错了。

the past:

【在 m*****a 的大作中提到】
: I also like to hear the comments from those who used Alliance Express in the
: past: Is there anything you would complain about? For example, suspect on
: the reading accuracy on the bill, response speed to your service request,
: unreasonable charge on your normal service, etc.
: Thanks.

m*****a
发帖数: 2609
93
Thanks a lot!
Assume the oil market behaves normally (I know this is a BIG IF), what's the
best period to sign up an oil plan? I imagine it is surely before the
heating season, but will March or June usually be the best time? I remember
to notice your last year's post around summer time (possibly because I only
bought the house last summer).
I personally feel the oil market will keep as low, if not lower, throughout
this year. While I am not monitoring the heating oil market, I do keep an
eye on those oil stocks :).

This
start
11/

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: What's the penalty if it is binding and you exit early.
:
: It's binding, after you sign the contract they prebuy the estimated oil to
: avoid upside surprise. You'll have to pay 400-500$ termination fee to void
: the contract after 3 day grace period(no penalty if cancel in 3 days). This
: is standard industry practice for CAPPED/FIXED plan.
: first delivery or when the contract is signed?
: Contract covers 4/1/2015 to 3/31/2016, but you can select the month to start
: . In your case you can ask delivery from 7/1/2015, or even later such as 11/
: 1/2015.

T****a
发帖数: 409
94
谢谢楼主推荐,sign up了。
l********4
发帖数: 293
95
ok ok
l********4
发帖数: 293
96
ok ok

/* */,
/* */ ,

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: 没问题的, 只要你跟他们说了是2016BESTEVER。
: 你可以发个EMAIL给 [email protected]
: /* */,
: 同时CC 我一份 [email protected]
: /* */ ,
: 确认说你签了合同是 2016BESTEVER GROUP DEAL.
: 以后他们胆敢耍赖我们帮你!
: 你一个人去跟公司打官司大家会觉得为点小便宜杠上了,not my business 。
: 我们上百号人去跟公司打官司大家会觉得JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED. 公司想做生意根本
: 不敢搞大的。

r***u
发帖数: 75
97
该如何操作阿?刚刚看到Ken昨天发的合同,昨天和Ken说的还是100,这25是自动加上
去的?
h********5
发帖数: 386
98
是的, 不用担心, 有一个 GROUP NUMBER 的。
反正只要3/31前加入的已经白拿 $125 红包 BONUS ACCOUNT CREDIT。
s*****n
发帖数: 318
99
确认下超过estimate用量的那部分也是按capped price or market price, whichever
is lower, right? Thanks!

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: 是的, 不用担心, 有一个 GROUP NUMBER 的。
: 反正只要3/31前加入的已经白拿 $125 红包 BONUS ACCOUNT CREDIT。

h********5
发帖数: 386
100
理论上超过estimate用量的那部分按market price。 所以多报10%好了。
多50 gallon按capped price无所谓, 上百gallon 他们也许要求按market price

whichever

【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】
: 确认下超过estimate用量的那部分也是按capped price or market price, whichever
: is lower, right? Thanks!

相关主题
(已被抢!)第 50位加入本团的再拿 50元红包(实际相当100元『供求』Alliance Express2018取暖油计划, 2.099 固定价, 送T
下季度不打算再用他们公司的现有客户请一定要打电话【供求】 Alliance Express 取暖油更新
Heating oil 2.699 for next year请推荐heating oil company
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s*****n
发帖数: 318
101
有谁解释下:
plus applicable taxes and a nonrefundable capped program fee, which is
payable upon your signing of this agreement, of _____
这个具体是多少?
h********5
发帖数: 386
102
ZERO. 本团无CAP FEE. 没填自然是零。
CAPPED program对公司来说赔本或者少赚的风险大于FIXED program,想加入一般都得
先交200-500元CAP FEE.
还不放心的话请打公司电话 617-466-3014确认NO CAP FEE。
s*****n
发帖数: 318
103
为什么这里说的是monthly payment, 合同上说的好像是payment by delivery, 咱儿说
的是同一个plan吗? 还有合同上明确没有提到: group deal 到50人有5 cents off,
到100人有10cents off,作为consumer, 我如何知道这个group 的参与人数?
h********5
发帖数: 386
104
你收到的eSigniture 电子合同的EMAIL就写了50,100 人的。
2016BESTEVER 本楼第一帖的英文版是权威解释。
这个为准:
5. Each person MUST be on a monthly payment plan with us. This is equal to:
their stated or estimated gallons per year multiplied by their maximum price
per gallon, plus the cost of the service plan added in if chosen, and
divided by 12. If at the end of the 12 months they have overpaid for any oil
they were charged for they will receive a refund check from us for the
credit balance. Monthly payments begin in April and can not be deferred
until next season.
你只要跟ALLIANCE 确认你加入了2016BESTEVER GROUP deal就行了。细节条款大家都一
样。
到人数了我会宣布的, 大家都在等红包呢。你也可以打电话给公司问的。签了电子合
同的才算的。 光打电话或EMAIL号称加入的只叫意向。发了电子合同没回复的也不算的。

【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】
: 为什么这里说的是monthly payment, 合同上说的好像是payment by delivery, 咱儿说
: 的是同一个plan吗? 还有合同上明确没有提到: group deal 到50人有5 cents off,
: 到100人有10cents off,作为consumer, 我如何知道这个group 的参与人数?

s*****n
发帖数: 318
105
合同上(email)均没有 2016BESTEVER 和以下第5条字眼,是这样吗?

price
oil

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: 你收到的eSigniture 电子合同的EMAIL就写了50,100 人的。
: 2016BESTEVER 本楼第一帖的英文版是权威解释。
: 这个为准:
: 5. Each person MUST be on a monthly payment plan with us. This is equal to:
: their stated or estimated gallons per year multiplied by their maximum price
: per gallon, plus the cost of the service plan added in if chosen, and
: divided by 12. If at the end of the 12 months they have overpaid for any oil
: they were charged for they will receive a refund check from us for the
: credit balance. Monthly payments begin in April and can not be deferred
: until next season.

h********5
发帖数: 386
106
是的, 对公司来说只是一个GROUP NUMBER. 你EMAIL给KEN的文件里提到要求加入
2016BESTEVER就足够作为证据了。
你可以把一楼首页双横线夹着的英文部分2016BESTEVER定义(是公司原件一字没改)打
印出来存档, 有问题是公司方面出错不是你。电子合同是标准模板改动困难, 还是第
三方的一家公司提供的签约服务每次对公司收费, 所以这个公司业务员KEN不愿意改来
改去。
Alliance Express的 Parent company: HOP Energy, LLC
Ken的EMAIL是[email protected]
/* */显示的是Parent company: HOP Energy, LLC,
大家都是直接和 Alliance Express 签约。

【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】
: 合同上(email)均没有 2016BESTEVER 和以下第5条字眼,是这样吗?
:
: price
: oil

t****3
发帖数: 2799
107
Alliance 现雨的客户可以加入这个plan吗?
h********5
发帖数: 386
108
KEN 说了不行。 只给新客户。
抢东西手快有好处。一开始他忘记了加这个条件, 结果有个小妹硬挤进来了。然后他
就加条款只限新客户,挖自家墙角对公司没好处啊。
抢客户时给出的条件自然更好。COMCAST 一样的道理。
看看KEN自己的吐槽:

Also, Just so you know, you group is saving on average $330.00 vs. new
customers not signing up on this group plan, and it is more if we reach the
milestones or have to do any repair work on their heating systems. Overall,
this is a deal that they are not going to find anywhere else
and I think that those that are holding our for a potentially better deal
are being unrealistic. Although there is always the change that prices could
go a little lower, it is equally possible that they will rise significantly
. Oil prices fall very slowly when they fall, but rise rapidly when they
rise. For example, it took 2 and a half months for oil prices to fall almost
a $1.50 this season, but only a week for them to rise .60 cents in early
March and for no particular reason.
Ken

=======================
发红包啦!
为了尽快过50, 所有3/31号以前加入本团的再拿25元EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS!
已经签约的也都有份, 可以跟[email protected]
/* */确认。 他不想老去改合同, 反
正以后ONLINE 账号BALANCE会显示的就行了。
ALLIANCE反映有几位电子合同EMAIL过后没反应, 请查一下BULK JUNK MAIL FOLDER.
1-2天没收到回复的可以打电话问询。
想加入的请电话 617-466-3014, 无人回答则留言回复电话说要求加入“2016BESTEVER"
Note: If the voice mail is full you can try email:
[email protected]
/* */
with name, phone number, address and mention want to join group “
2016BESTEVER".
They'll honor emails time stamped before any deadline they set.
这家公司送油区域很广, 号称东部麻省全送:
http://www.allianceexpress.com/
如有疑问, 上面链接右下角有ZIP CODE证实。
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1y
注意:这个DEAL是3/19石油 45.50 时谈成的。
公司说石油价格发生显著上涨就关门大吉了不再收新成员, 另外保留随时叫停权利。
时间有限, 加入从速。现在只担保不论石油价格涨多少到 4/1 晚上本团购还有效
,以后看情况听公司通知了。
石油只要高于 40 不大可能会有比2016BESTEVER更好的了。
假设1000GALLON 用油量:
100元开户红包, 2.599 成2.499了 (为了尽快过50, 所有3/31号以前加入本团的再
拿25元EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS! ) (成2.474, 3/31号以前加入本团的 )
别组服务计划249.95,我们149.95, 相当于又拿到100元实惠
2.499 成 2.399了 (成2.374, 3/31号以前加入本团的 )
组员到五十人2.399成2.349了 (成2.324, 3/31号以前加入本团的 )
组员到一百人2.349成2.299了 (成2.274, 3/31号以前加入本团的 )
TRY BEAT THAT! 2016BESTEVER COULD VERY WELL BE 2016BESTAFTER TOO.
组员到五十人4月底前应该没问题的, 所以所有团员都能再拿到5分红包的可能性很大。
h********5
发帖数: 386
109
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 1:56 PM
Ken,
I also got several inquiries about can't see 149.95 service plan anywhere,
don't know if they are in the service plan or not.
-------------------
Today at 5:30 PM
OK, I'll add it to the welcome message
Ken
=======================================================
现在开始新成员的欢迎EMAIL会有149.95 service plan信息。
(后注: 已经告诉ALLIANCE 除非有人明确不要, 所有团员自动加入$149.95服务计划。
不想要的可以跟KEN自己提出来)
以前加入没看到的也没关系, 告诉KEN了大家DEFAULT都要149.95 service plan。
最后会要求他提供谁选择不要的名单核实。
即使新设备每年TUNEUP MAINTENANCE也是需要的, 单买要199。 买149.95 service
plan包括了, 所以不要149.95 service plan的是不科学。
KEN 说了明天会给人数统计。 到50人减5分相当于大家都拿到50元红包, 加上100元开
户红包这个149.95的service plan 也相当于不用付钱的了。
h********5
发帖数: 386
110
Ken Chaple Today at 10:43 AM
I have appx. 18 signed contracts and am still waiting on 3 signatures. The
deadline is being extended until April 1st.
============================================
石油从51.5跌回48.15, KEN把担保时间延长到 4/1 了。 只要石油不大涨过了4/1继续
有效(当然了, 公司保留随时叫停权利)。
KEN说一周内只算签约和发约的21个了(没处理到的电话EMAIL不算)。 4月底前组员到
五十人应该没问题的, 所以所有团员都能再拿到5分红包的可能性很大。
25元额外红包EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS只对3/31晚之前加入的有效。
已经加入的团员一人找一个就50达标了。
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The original offer is now extended until Monday April 6, 2015. The market
has remained stable throughout these past couple of weeks, but we can only
extend the offer in small increments to be sure there are no sharp rises.
h********5
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Today at 12:43 PM:
Heating Oil price have risen about 20 cents per gallon over the past few
days. This is not a guarantee that prices will continue to climb and we are
not changing our offer to your group at this time, but I want you to be
aware of what is happening. If prices continue to go up we will have to
revise the offer.
h********5
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Today at 3:04 PM From KEN:
Effective Friday May 1, 2015 my company will be re-instituting a CAP fee of
.20 cents per protected gallons for all customers including this group. That
means that if someone uses 1000 gallons per year there will be a $200.00
fee to protect the price that will be either collected at the time the
account is established, or added to the monthly payment plan. There are no
exceptions to this. All contracts must be signed by Thursday evening or the
fee will be charged.
You may want to let those that have not talked to me yet, and might still be
interested in the offer, that time is now limited to this Thursday at 5pm
to call and accept the offer. After that the program will be discontinued.
======================================
收到通知本团购组 4/30 晚(已签约才算)结束。 欲加入从速。
以后即使 ALLIANCE 有别的团购也得交 200元 CAP fee.
M**********H
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刚买房子,如何估计自己家的油用量呢?按每平方尺算?谢谢!
h********5
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麻省平均用油量850加仑(CONDO/TOWNHOUSE INCLUDED)。
独立屋1000加仑左右比较正常。 1100基本够2000尺内的了。
同样面积下屋顶墙内保暖层厚度, 设置温度, 有无程序自动控制会有20-30%差别。
如果知道以前住户用哪家公司打个电话就知道了。

【在 M**********H 的大作中提到】
: 刚买房子,如何估计自己家的油用量呢?按每平方尺算?谢谢!
m*****a
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Be warned that you may get hard inquiry even before you sign the application!
现在的plan马上要过期了,想赶在4/30前跳这个deal,今天联系了ken,并收到了e-
contract,还没有sign。当刚刚得到通知TransUnion被hard inquiry了!(from HOP
Energy)。从这个帖子里和Ken的电话里,我从没有看到这个需要hard credit inquiry!
而且我当前的plan,去年sign up时也没有要pull。退一万步,即便pull,他们也可以
做一个soft inquiry或者其他信用查询系统比如ChexSystems。马上要申请个贷款,有
了这个inquiry非常不利。而且,他们也应该得到同意才pull,哪能不告知情况下,因
为有意向就pull了!
刚刚给Ken打了电话,他表示也很惊讶,说是他们只做soft inquiry,说除非得不到
credit score才pull hard,但是他表示从他看来应该是soft。我听了还保有一线希望
,因为通知时Credit Karma发的,或许他们搞错了。可惜,我直接去了transunion,附
件是TransUnion的官方creit report截图,确实是HARD!
最后声明,我不是什么找不到信用记录的新人,来这边已经七八年了,从学生到现在固
定工作,一切信用情况正常,总共没搬过几次家。唯一的解释是HOP Energy里面的人可
能mess up,鬼使神差地选了hard inquiry? 再或者我去年夏季买房,所以因为住在当
前地址不到两年所以pull了?(Ken在电话里提到说如果再当前地址不到两年就也写上之
前地址,我就如实写了)。
Anyway, very unhappy experience. Henry12345,强烈建议你把这个情况放在你第一
个帖子里,以免后来人步我后尘。
P.S. 我后来看到contract document里是有部分写道了credit report,但问题我还没
来得看contract,而且也没sign。结果直接就被pull了。问了Ken,被告知他什么也做
不了。请问有没有人知道是否可以要求TransUnion remove这个inquiry?可以确定没有
给予任何授权,无论书目还是口头的。
h********5
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117

唯一的解释是HOP Energy里面的人可
能mess up,鬼使神差地选了hard inquiry? 再或者我去年夏季买房,所以因为住在当
前地址不到两年所以pull了?(Ken在电话里提到说如果再当前地址不到两年就也写上之
前地址,我就如实写了)。”
=============================
似乎是他们的CREDIT APPROVAL有点问题, 应该不是普遍现象。
其实AUTOMATIC DELIVERY是需要CREDIT CHECK的。 跟租房一样, 有些公司不那么严格
不去查也是可能的。 至于查个信用记录有那么多道道以前还真不清楚。
我会在首页加上HOP ENERYGY极可能会去查信用记录这一条(一楼第四行, 怎么查法是
他们的事)。 同时已经向KEN反映了你对此有抱怨, 要求他们尽可能用不留记录的SOFT
CHECK。
我想有信用查询只表示你曾申请过一些东西而已, 并不是什么BAD RECORD NONPAYMENT.
有这么一次以后就不用了。以前用过他们公司直接激活老账号也是可以有的。
m*****a
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Ken也是这么解释的,但是为什么这么倒霉。。。总之发生了就不能挽回,各位注意一
下。
另外,这个办事太不专业了,应该至少得到用户的授权(当然真问我,我在这个时候就
不会授权了,因为最近需要申请贷款)。
已经在这边这么多年,也申了n多卡,对credit inquiry还是了解的。一个credit
inquiry影响10几分还是可能的,特别是new inquiry。除了申请贷款,我也就申卡和租
房时被pull过,其他时候能避免的,全力避免。比如去年为新家找internet时Verizon
FIOS也说要查我的信用记录,我就选择了交deposit代替。总体来说还没有随随便便就
浪费一个hard inquiry。
这个事情跟你无关,或许我是倒霉的个例(之前sign up的同志可以说说自己情况),
但是发生了无论如何不爽。

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: “
: 唯一的解释是HOP Energy里面的人可
: 能mess up,鬼使神差地选了hard inquiry? 再或者我去年夏季买房,所以因为住在当
: 前地址不到两年所以pull了?(Ken在电话里提到说如果再当前地址不到两年就也写上之
: 前地址,我就如实写了)。”
: =============================
: 似乎是他们的CREDIT APPROVAL有点问题, 应该不是普遍现象。
: 其实AUTOMATIC DELIVERY是需要CREDIT CHECK的。 跟租房一样, 有些公司不那么严格
: 不去查也是可能的。 至于查个信用记录有那么多道道以前还真不清楚。
: 我会在首页加上HOP ENERYGY极可能会去查信用记录这一条(一楼第四行, 怎么查法是

h********5
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119
谢谢理解。大多数是自住不是租HOUSE, 近期需要申请贷款的应该很少。
h********5
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KEN 说我们应该在35-40之间了, 还差10几个就可以到50人。 4/30/2015 5PM 结束 ,
最后 2 天!
大家可以找找看, 到50后所有人都降5分, 相当于50元红包。
另外他说所有成员的CREDIT SCORE 都是HIGH 700, 只有memajia 意外PULL了 hard
inquiry(应该是查不到CREDIT SCORE才需要hard inquiry), 不是他干的是他们公司
CREDIT DEPARTMENT干的, 说他已向memajia道歉了。
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http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=1y
石油奔 60 去了, 公司不干了似乎可以理解。这个DEAL是3/19石油 45.50 时谈成的。
最后 2天了。 收到通知本团购组 4/30 晚(已签约才算)结束。 欲加入从速。
以后即使 ALLIANCE 有别的团购也得先交 200元 CAP fee.
h********5
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Update from Ken:
"
Ken Chaple Today at 12:41 PM
I have 37 completed contracts and am awaiting 2 more signatures bringing us
to 39 total accounts as of this time.
"
----------------
h********5
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Q: I got the agreement from Alliance, but the cap fee is still in the
contract. Did you get the same doc?
A: That field is empty for our group members, ZERO.
----------------
According to Ken from tomorrow 5/1 any CAPPED program will have to pay a
upfront fee of about $200.
本团购今晚结束。 已经收到合同的请5PM前签电子合同。
今天最后一天了, 45个了! 只差5个 !
晚上最终数目出来我会去跟KEN 谈一下, 希望能宽限几天让我们吃5分的红包吧。
h********5
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发红包啦!49个了! 只差 1 个 !
为了尽快到50,第 50位 加入本团的再拿50元EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS!这样所有团员都
可以拿到5分OFF 成 2.549 CAPPED, 相当于50元红包。
这样第50位加入本团的实际相当拿到又100元红包.
h********5
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Ken Chaple Today at 2:53 PM
I am waiting on 5 more signatures and if they all sign the agreement we will
be at 49... The next one will be the lucky one...
================
哈哈, 不需要延期了, 只差一位LUCKY ONE!
今晚大家都应该是2.549! 到50人所有团员降5分的红包基本到手!
h********5
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Today at 4:15 PM
Ken:
Keng Hsu is the official 50th lucky winner of the 50元 EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS!
===========================
Note: The Group Deal is officially over, but unofficially Ken can get a few
more in if you ACT fast enough!(make sure you ask for NO $200 CAP fee)
谢谢 Keng Hsu 让所有团员都减了5分, 相当于给大家每人发了50元红包!
c*******7
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谢谢,今天加入了,还是2。549
h**********0
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4.28号晚上sign的电子合同,可是至今没有收到welcome email,请问这个正常吗?有
后面sign的已经收到welcome email的吗?谢谢!

few

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: Today at 4:15 PM
: Ken:
: Keng Hsu is the official 50th lucky winner of the 50元 EXTRA SIGN ON BONUS!
: ===========================
: Note: The Group Deal is officially over, but unofficially Ken can get a few
: more in if you ACT fast enough!(make sure you ask for NO $200 CAP fee)
: 谢谢 Keng Hsu 让所有团员都减了5分, 相当于给大家每人发了50元红包!

m*****a
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没有关系吧,因为你收到的那份是Ken已经sign好的,原则上你sign之后它就生效了,
跟是否收到"welcome email"无关。我签后没收到什么"welcome email",只是一封
title为”SmartSign Web Receipt from HOP Energy, LLC“的email,上面附件放了签
好的合同(其实你签完那个链接也可以下载一份签好的)。
后来因为要sign up online account,已经从Ken哪里问到了account number,所以我
assume一切正常。
BTW,我收到receipt的email是当时打开合同时需要注册那个,不是我和Ken通信那个,
害得我当时好奇为什么没收到receipt,后来才想起来是用了另一个email,所以你注意
看你是不是也是这样。

【在 h**********0 的大作中提到】
: 4.28号晚上sign的电子合同,可是至今没有收到welcome email,请问这个正常吗?有
: 后面sign的已经收到welcome email的吗?谢谢!
:
: few

h********5
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"welcome email" 泛指带电子合同链接的那份EMAIL, KEN在上面标注了50人2.549,
100人2.499的那份EMAIL。 你既然签约了自然收到了。
以后会有LETTER, 一个是每月账单,上面有帐号, 可以用来选择建立CREDIT CARD (或
CHECKING ACCOUNT)ONLINE AUTOMATIC PAYMENT:
https://secure.hopenergy.net/alliance_express/register.asp
付12次或者TILL CANCEL。最后按实际用量多退少补。
另一个是SERVICE PLAN LETTER, 号称原价$509(一般折扣到249-299), 给本团员折
扣价149.95. 这个不用单付, KEN 说折算到月付里了。 考虑到100元开户红包以及价
格从2.599降为2.549约50元, 大家相当于白拿了SERVICE PLAN。
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=3m
这个DEAL是3/19石油 45.50 时谈成的。现在油价 62 了, 大家参加的时机不错。

【在 h**********0 的大作中提到】
: 4.28号晚上sign的电子合同,可是至今没有收到welcome email,请问这个正常吗?有
: 后面sign的已经收到welcome email的吗?谢谢!
:
: few

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还有人打电话给KEN要求加入, 今天他说了本团最后2天宽限, 5/8 号以后真的不能再
加人了!
KEN Today 5/6 at 5:52 PM:
“my manager has told me that the program has to end this Friday 5/8.
After Friday we will still be offering a good deal based on our costs for
the oil at that time, but they will not be considered a part of this group
and will therefore be subject to the CAP fee.
"
"Just so you know, oil prices have risen 30 cents over the last week or so
and we never changed the deal. That is why this program will end tomorrow no
matter what. Our new CAP after that will be $2.799 per gallon if anyone
asks after tomorrow. "
=====================================================
KEN说了本团最后2天宽限后结束, 5/8 号以后 ALLIANCE EXPRESS的 CAP Program 价
格是2.799 per gallon.
p********n
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我发邮件要求加入了,不知道还来不来得及?
h********5
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应该有戏, 毕竟周末油价不会变动白天加入的未必签约完成。 我会跟KEN要求一下。
想加入的赶紧给KEN发EMAIL.
到了下周我自己都不好意思去逼他了。时间已经给的够多的了。

【在 p********n 的大作中提到】
: 我发邮件要求加入了,不知道还来不来得及?
h********5
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Today at 5:28 PM
Since the price of oil has fallen again the company has decided to continue
on with the program. If anyone else wants to join please have them call or
email me. We need 33 to get to 100 so we can lower the price per gallon
again.
Thanks
h********5
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Ken Chaple Today at 4:32 PM
The CAP is now being lowered to $2.499 for everyone. I'm working on further
discounts for 150 members.

===============================
好消息, Alliance决定提前给大家发百人红包了(最新统计实际是74人), 所有成员
都降价为2.499了。
考虑到100元开户红包加上买带TUNEUP,包零件人工的服务计划上至少省100元, 用油
1000加仑的用户实际价格接近2.299.
150人后还有红包, 讨论中。
=================================
想加入的请电话 617-466-3014, 无人回答则留言回复电话说要求加入“2016BESTEVER"
Note: If the voice mail is full you can try email:
[email protected]
/* */
with name, phone number, address and mention want to join group “
2016BESTEVER".
They'll honor emails time stamped before any deadline they set.
这家公司送油区域很广, 号称东部麻省全送:
http://www.allianceexpress.com/
如有疑问, 上面链接右下角有ZIP CODE证实。
l********h
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请问如果我定了1000加仑的油,每个月都是付1000*whatever price/12。但是实际上只
用了800gallon,那么多余的钱会退吗?
谢谢!
h********5
发帖数: 386
137

5)大家都是MONTHLY PAYMENT PLAN(可以用信用卡ONLINE PAY),估计用油量X2.599
/12为每月收费量, 从4月开始, 所有人员都必须如此。最后多退少补。”
-------------
是的。 应该改为 “ 估计用油量 X 2.499/12为每月收费量” 了。
反正最后是 (总付钱 + 开户红包) - (总实用 + $149.95服务计划)。

【在 l********h 的大作中提到】
: 请问如果我定了1000加仑的油,每个月都是付1000*whatever price/12。但是实际上只
: 用了800gallon,那么多余的钱会退吗?
: 谢谢!

h********5
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138
Q:With recent drop in heating oil price I got people ask whether there a
place(web link?) to check Alliance Express's daily market price so they can
be sure they got the lower between 2.499 cap and market price?
Answer from KEN:
There is no place online that they can go to check their price for any
particular day. Please don't have people start calling our customer service
department asking about price for 2 reasons; 1: they are not due for a
delivery until September so we don't need the added calls for something that
is pointless anyways, and 2: because no one in your group is due for a
delivery prior to September the pricing on the account may not be updated
right away to reflect current pricing. I can assure you that at the time of
their delivery the pricing on their account will be accurate for that day.
FYI: if anyone got a delivery today their price per gallon would be $2.349
and that will probably be lower by about 5 or 10 cents tomorrow due to
another decrease in price.
==================================
CAPPED 优势显示出来了,不怕暴跌。 如果你今天加油 ALLIANCE 只收2.349, 明天2.
249-2.299.
所有团员在加油的那一天是2.499 或者当天ALLIANCE市场价中哪个低按哪个收钱。
如果伊朗危机解决造成年底ALLIANCE市场价跌到1.5那我们加油时也是1.5。
Alliance 的市场价比较平均, 也许比最低的高1-2毛, 考虑到100元开户红包加上买
带TUNEUP,包零件人工的服务计划上至少省100元, 总体差别不是太大。
CAPPED 也不怕涨, 最多付2.499.
h********5
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Ken update at 4PM today:
Alliance market price has been reduced to 2.249, so our capped program
automatically get the lower 2.249 if you get a fill today.
The cap itself(2.499) can't be changed unless we reach 150 people. A
contract is a contract, we can't ask him to reduce the cap just because
market price dropped. What if they ask to raise our cap if market priced
increased instead? This applies to all group deals from Alliance Express,
not just us.
Plus individuals who waited this long even if they can get lower cap they
can't get 149$ service plan(the 149$ service plan we get is for group deal
only). They have to pay 280$ for the same service plan.
But since oil price is in stable to lower trend, his personal opinion is the
cap might not make any difference at all since we all get 2.249 right now (
or even lower at delivery). Unless oil price suddenly rise again due to war
etc.(won't pay higher than 2.499 anyway).
USA is energy independent, China automobile demand dropped due to the stock
market crash, Iran has 5 years' worth of stored oil production ready to dump
to market after the embargo ends, OPEC countries need money for budget
deficiency can't afford to reduce oil production - those factors make it
hard for oil to rise for a while.
Our group delivery mostly starts in September. If you think right now is the
bottom for oil price and would like to get a delivery at 2.249 , check your
oil tank level. If you have LESS than half tank of oil you can call KEN to
get a fill at 2.249. But be warned that oil price can drop further so you
might end up save nothing at all if price drops further after September.
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http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/30/oil-to-hit-low-30s-by-the-end-of
"Christmas time we'll probably be rebounding off new lows off of the mid to
low 30s," he told CNBC's "Squawk Box." "We have a lot to go. We're going to
take out the March lows of $43 and trade down to the 30s in my view."
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/22/white-house-touts-energy-inde
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/09/china-car-sales-stock-crash/
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1891&dat=19821212&id=AqcfAAAAIBAJ&
sjid=O9YEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1637,1730069&hl=en
http://news.yahoo.com/opec-chief-says-oil-cartel-not-ready-cut-
http://blog.inkerman.com/index.php/2014/12/12/the-curse-of-the-
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3145786-iranian-oil-potential-e
l********h
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不会有这么低吧?2块多钱?我今天本想refill,打电话问说今天是3.29,所以按cap 2
.49收费。怎么两天前才2.29?
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h********5
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Call ken 617-4663014 if you ARE member of our group(2016BESTEVER) and you
should get the lower price 2.249 today(make sure you have LESS than half
tank before calling, he won't do it for people with more than half tank).
Just verified with Ken.
Automatic delivery for all members should start next month anyway, at this
time Ken said he doesn't expect price to change upwards(lower more likely,
but anything could happen.)
If you didn't sign up through Ken then no deal. Did you call Ken or the
company general phone number for 3.29 quote?

2

【在 l********h 的大作中提到】
: 不会有这么低吧?2块多钱?我今天本想refill,打电话问说今天是3.29,所以按cap 2
: .49收费。怎么两天前才2.29?

l********h
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谢谢henry热心回复。 刚才customer service打电话告诉我说他们搞错了我的价格,的
确今天是2.249.
请问一下那个automatic delivery是啥意思?我打电话问客户服务,她说是delivery
by request。如果自动加油的话,是他们每过一段时间就来一次加满tank,不管你用了
多少吗?

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: Call ken 617-4663014 if you ARE member of our group(2016BESTEVER) and you
: should get the lower price 2.249 today(make sure you have LESS than half
: tank before calling, he won't do it for people with more than half tank).
: Just verified with Ken.
: Automatic delivery for all members should start next month anyway, at this
: time Ken said he doesn't expect price to change upwards(lower more likely,
: but anything could happen.)
: If you didn't sign up through Ken then no deal. Did you call Ken or the
: company general phone number for 3.29 quote?
:

h********5
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Everyone in the group is on automatic delivery.
automatic delivery是他们九月第一次加满后他们会注意气候温度变化(和以前用油规
律如果是老客户), 保证你的油箱不空,加油时间他们决定, 也许每月加或者更频繁
。 你自己不用管了。
当然也要EXERCISE COMMON SENSE, 只有1/8~1/4油了他们还没来加油就该督促他们一
下。
Worry-free home heating oil delivery is automatic with Alliance Express
The best way to make sure you don't run out of heating oil is to sign up for
Automatic Delivery.
We use computer software to monitor your heating oil usage along with the
weather - so we always know when you need a delivery.
It's free to sign up for Automatic Delivery.
What's more, Automatic Delivery offers the ultimate in convenience, since
you:
Don't have to keep track of the amount of oil you use.
Don't have to be home when deliveries are made.
Don't have to pay on delivery.

【在 l********h 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢henry热心回复。 刚才customer service打电话告诉我说他们搞错了我的价格,的
: 确今天是2.249.
: 请问一下那个automatic delivery是啥意思?我打电话问客户服务,她说是delivery
: by request。如果自动加油的话,是他们每过一段时间就来一次加满tank,不管你用了
: 多少吗?

l********h
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谢谢哦!

for

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: automatic delivery是他们九月第一次加满后他们会注意气候温度变化(和以前用油规
: 律如果是老客户), 保证你的油箱不空,加油时间他们决定, 也许每月加或者更频繁
: 。 你自己不用管了。
: 当然也要EXERCISE COMMON SENSE, 只有1/8~1/4油了他们还没来加油就该督促他们一
: 下。
: Worry-free home heating oil delivery is automatic with Alliance Express
: The best way to make sure you don't run out of heating oil is to sign up for
: Automatic Delivery.
: We use computer software to monitor your heating oil usage along with the
: weather - so we always know when you need a delivery.

N**B
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henry12345 是不是可以代表大家去complain一下

further

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: ”
: Ken Chaple Today at 4:32 PM
: The CAP is now being lowered to $2.499 for everyone. I'm working on further
: discounts for 150 members.
: “
: ===============================
: 好消息, Alliance决定提前给大家发百人红包了(最新统计实际是74人), 所有成员
: 都降价为2.499了。
: 考虑到100元开户红包加上买带TUNEUP,包零件人工的服务计划上至少省100元, 用油
: 1000加仑的用户实际价格接近2.299.

h********5
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月初就跟KEN提过了, 有点失望的主要是ALLIANCE的市场价并不紧跟油价走低。 他坚
持说公司的市场价高于2.499理论上不违约。
http://www.allianceexpress.com/HeatingOil/PriceOptions.aspx
To keep them honest I encourage members to call Ken (617-466-3014) and log
your complaints and threaten to never use their CAPPED program in the future
IF their CAPPED plan turns out not as advertised. Also you can mention you
might consider leave negative review for their company online or use other
social media channels to get their attention.

以下是给一个成员的回复:
I checked with Ken and this is his reply, basically he insisted Alliance
Express market price was higher than 2.499 on 9/1.
Not much we can do about it as long as they can claim and prove their market
price is even higher on 9/1 on a court of law. So their CAPPED program
might not be as good as we thought initially,
but they didn't break the contract if they can prove their market price is
higher than 2,499 on 9/1.
I called their customer service department incognito for their market price
on 9/1/2015 and current day market price, both higher than 2.499.
Ken did mention if you are not happy with them there is a way out, their
termination fee is much lower than other competitors, $200 MAX prorated with
amount delivered/total estimated. Many companies charges >400$ for
termination to offset hedging cost.
But considering the $100 account open bonus, plus the at least 100$ discount
on service contract/tuneup combo, the actual price gets close to 2.29.
If you break the contract, after the 200$ termination fee, you'll have to
find a 2.09 or lower to make sense of the move.
So maybe just watch how the overall service quality is with Alliance Express
then we'll consider other options for next March renewal season.
From KEN:
"
After talking with the managers responsible for pricing all the way up the
ladder as high as I could go, the final decision that I got was that your
pricing was appropriate for the time frame in which everyone signed on with
us and when they got their first delivery. As required by law, the oil for
your group was purchased at the time you established an account with us, and
I agree that to your members they see prices falling and think that their
price should fall with it but they don't consider that their oil was
purchased at a time when our costs for the oil was higher, and is now in
alignment with what we paid for the oil at the time. It would be the same as
if oil prices had risen during this period and we called to ask if we could
charge each of your members more for their oil to counteract the increase.
This is not to say that if there is a "significant" drop in oil prices that
your members will not see additional savings, but you do have to wait for
our costs for the oil that we purchased six months ago to fall below the
current cap price of $2.499 for that to happen.
"
From what Ken wrote it seems their market price is the average down price of
all the oils their company bot over time, not directly related to spot
price on the market.
h**********0
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虽然不想赖着henry,但是这个团购既然是henry组织的,并且henry从中也获得了好处
,那是不是现在出了问题,henry还是应该像组织那会儿那样带头complain和斡旋一下
呢?而不是两三句话就把自己撇得一干二净,让我们自己逐个逐个去找ken解决。
要是ALLIANCE的当前油价只是持平或者略高于2.499的话,其实我也忍了,毕竟原油价
格和年初比也不是相差很大(是吧?只是印象中,没有具体查数据)。但是ALLIANCE居
然给出3.199这个不靠谱的价格,而且我相信,新客户咨询的价格也绝对不是这个报价
。那现在这么坑,是不是就说不过去了?

future
you

【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: 月初就跟KEN提过了, 有点失望的主要是ALLIANCE的市场价并不紧跟油价走低。 他坚
: 持说公司的市场价高于2.499理论上不违约。
: http://www.allianceexpress.com/HeatingOil/PriceOptions.aspx
: To keep them honest I encourage members to call Ken (617-466-3014) and log
: your complaints and threaten to never use their CAPPED program in the future
: IF their CAPPED plan turns out not as advertised. Also you can mention you
: might consider leave negative review for their company online or use other
: social media channels to get their attention.
:
: 以下是给一个成员的回复:

h********5
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会向KEN反映大家的抱怨的, 可能直接找KEN问出的市场价更靠谱些。 我问的9/1价是2
.59.
去年用固定价不合算, 今年特意考虑CAPPED, 问题是CAPPED市场价都是他们公司自己
说了
算。(KEN说他们这种Full Service公司比网上COD公司的肯定高)
。 现在所有大宗商品都是通缩走势, 也许今后几年没必要锁定FIXED/CAPPED的了,
就像给车加油一样随行就市得了。
KEN说他们的市场价根据mass energy survey:
http://www.mass.gov/eea/energy-utilities-clean-tech/home-auto-f
AVG跟2.49差的倒也不多, 尤其是考虑到100元开户BONUS以及至少100元DISCOUNT on
service plan/tuneup combo, group actual price close to 2.29.
另外问出了KEN的经理local operations manager是Doug Goodman ,11 Broadway
Chelsea, MA 02150 ,我会向他书面抱怨他们报出的市场价偏高(还好不是3.65那个更
不靠谱的)。 大家有兴趣的也可以写。

【在 h**********0 的大作中提到】
: 虽然不想赖着henry,但是这个团购既然是henry组织的,并且henry从中也获得了好处
: ,那是不是现在出了问题,henry还是应该像组织那会儿那样带头complain和斡旋一下
: 呢?而不是两三句话就把自己撇得一干二净,让我们自己逐个逐个去找ken解决。
: 要是ALLIANCE的当前油价只是持平或者略高于2.499的话,其实我也忍了,毕竟原油价
: 格和年初比也不是相差很大(是吧?只是印象中,没有具体查数据)。但是ALLIANCE居
: 然给出3.199这个不靠谱的价格,而且我相信,新客户咨询的价格也绝对不是这个报价
: 。那现在这么坑,是不是就说不过去了?
:
: future
: you

p****o
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is it a JOKE or what?
market price is $1.7-1.8, and they say their market price is $3.19. so what
does the capped mean to them? $2.49 is bottom for them?
you guys should file a complain or small court suit!
W********n
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150
可能油公司也locked with some big company。
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a***e
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151
肯定

【在 W********n 的大作中提到】
: 可能油公司也locked with some big company。
C*********i
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现在油价才$1.90,团购$2.59? Are you kidding?
j*********6
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Ordermyoil今天的Heating油价: $1.779
u******n
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现在油价才$1.70,团购$2.59? Are you kidding?
现在油价才$1.70,团购$2.59? Are you kidding?
现在油价才$1.70,团购$2.59? Are you kidding?
h********5
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3.199肯定不合理, 已经向ALLIANCE EXPRESS 总部 HOP ENERGY OPERATIONS 的大头目
STEVE反映了。 他会跟KEN他们调查后给个说法。下周应该有消息。STAY TUNED。

【在 h**********0 的大作中提到】
: 虽然不想赖着henry,但是这个团购既然是henry组织的,并且henry从中也获得了好处
: ,那是不是现在出了问题,henry还是应该像组织那会儿那样带头complain和斡旋一下
: 呢?而不是两三句话就把自己撇得一干二净,让我们自己逐个逐个去找ken解决。
: 要是ALLIANCE的当前油价只是持平或者略高于2.499的话,其实我也忍了,毕竟原油价
: 格和年初比也不是相差很大(是吧?只是印象中,没有具体查数据)。但是ALLIANCE居
: 然给出3.199这个不靠谱的价格,而且我相信,新客户咨询的价格也绝对不是这个报价
: 。那现在这么坑,是不是就说不过去了?
:
: future
: you

h********5
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Good Morning 。
Here is a screen shot of your account showing your variable pricing at 2.799
per gallon.
When and if that price goes below 2.499 per gallon your pricing will drop
also.
Thanks again for your business.
Paul Signorello
Director of Commercial & Retail Sales
HOP Energy LLC
E-mail [email protected]
/* */
Cell 860-803-9113
==========================================
HOP energy 的Director of Commercial & Retail Sales澄清了, $3.19是错的, 那
个是老顾客的going rate, 不适用本团。 用来与CAP 2.499相比的应该是浮动的new
customer variable rate, 在账号里显示为 standard price 2.799(今天价。 查询
了9月一号价是2.599). 他还附上了screenshot, 应该不是骗人。 有疑问可以自己去
问Paul Signorello。
只要他们的new customer variable standard rate price 2.799 在
http://www.mass.gov/eea/energy-utilities-clean-tech/home-auto-f
最高和最低之间合理范围之内, 可以抱怨他们的价格高于均价,但很难指责他们故意
违约, 毕竟是自由市场他们有自己的定价权。即使打官司法官判他们必须按 Mass
Season to Date AVG 2.37 比较计算, 那如果一次加油100加仑差价(2.499-2.37)X
100 约 13 大元,好像不值。
本团3-6月间组建时市场价高于现在。至于termination fee 跟 KEN 确认了, 最多
200. 如果你订1000加仑, 已送100加仑, termination fee 为 (1000 - 100)/
1000 X 200 = $180. 如果经济上算下来合算愿意退出也无可厚非。
h********5
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Ken Chaple Today at 10:18 AM:
There are about 35 group members who purchased the service plan and who have
not gotten their tune up done as of today. They need to call in within the
next week to schedule the tune up. We will put them on the cancellation list
and if we don't get to them before the contract expires we will refund the
$149.95 they paid for the service plan providing that they did not have any
other service calls during the contract period and that they complete the
terms of the contract.
====================================
买了维修计划的至今还有35人没有预约TUNEUP, 请尽快预约。 不然未必有available
time slot.
如果合同到期(看自己的合同,多在3/31-6/31)没来得及用TUNEUP也没有打电话要求修
理, KEN说会如数退钱($149.95)。 这个政策还比较良心。
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