y*****y
发帖数: 1208 | 1 A good friend of mine forwarded this and asked for support. It's about Asian
American students are being discriminated against and held at higher
standards than other ethnic groups in college admissions.
====================================================================
OPEN LETTER: A Call to End Racial Preference in College and University
Admissions
====================================================================
Dear Friends and Asian Parents,
I am writing to you regarding the serious violation of equal protection,
injustice, and discrimination inflicted by racial preference policies, in
particular affirmative action in college admissions, which almost every
college-bound Asian American student is confronted with today. They need
your help!
America is poised to become a majority-minority nation. In fact, several
states have crossed that line. Based on the current demographic shift shown
in Census data, by 2043 or sooner, it’s projected the whole country will
become a majority-minority nation. Furthermore, the changing national
demographics helped President Obama win two elections. Nobody could argue
that President Obama’s 2008 win is an anomaly. Today, not only do
minorities hold key positions in all 3 branches of the Federal government
but also many of them are successful leaders in business, sports, academia,
entertainment, and news media. The critical mass is reached.
As minorities gain in population and political power nationally, racial
preferences given to particular groups are likely to come under fire and
scrutiny from public opinions and the judicial courts, if not already.
Increasingly, racial preference affirmative action is an inadequate tool
against inequality and in fact is now causing more injustice and inequality
problems than it is intended to solve. Can you imagine a race-based
preference for Asian athletes in the NBA or the NFL? (See article “What If
the NBA Had Quotas" - http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2006/12/14/what_if_the_nba_had_quotas/page/full/ )
It is unfortunate that many American universities and colleges, including
prestigious private and public institutions that educate our future leaders,
are doing exactly that - secretly and illegally practicing social
engineering using racial preference, quota, or race-based point system in
their admission process. The evidence of these widespread practices and the
discrimination against Asian American students is overwhelming and has been
extensively documented (more on this later). Moreover, historical college
admission data and comparative statistical analyses clearly show that
discrimination against Asian American students is systematic and
institutionalized in most Ivy League universities, including Harvard,
Princeton, and Yale, as well as many public universities, including Univ. of
Texas, Univ. of Michigan, Univ. of Oklahoma, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison,
Univ. of Nebraska, Univ. of Arizona, Arizona State Univ., Miami Univ., and
Ohio State Univ. As a result, numerous lawsuits and complaints were filed
against many of these universities by students of several races in the past
decades.
College and university admission process is complex and multifaceted. And
nobody doubts there are many criteria to assess a student’s aptitude,
capabilities, and characters across many dimensions, such as academic merits
, socioeconomic status, community service, personal drive and aspiration,
citizenship, etc. But, in this day and age, we should not believe that race
is one. A student’s race has nothing to do with his or her qualifications
. Race conscious affirmative action is nothing but a form of racial
discrimination and self-righteous social engineering.
Inspired by a powerful research paper (See article “The Myth of American
Meritocracy” - http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/), and at the same time, disappointed by the silence of many rights groups and the lack of voice in Asian American community concerning the hardship and discrimination faced by many Asian American students, I started a virtual community on Facebook - Asian Americans Against Affirmative Action (AAAAA). AAAAA intends to promote racial equality and social justice through equal access, personal responsibilities, and colorblind or race-neutral policies. AAAAA is against race-based admission policy which is now widely adopted in many higher institutions.
The AAAAA Facebook pagehttp://www.facebook.com/AgainstAA has a wealth of information on the topic of affirmative action including an exhaustive collection of historic events, important court cases, interviews of intellectuals, reviews, debates, articles by subject matter experts, books by prominent scholars, reports, commentaries, op-eds, and many links to blogs, videos. I hope you find it resourceful and informative.
If you don’t want to live a society where our children are afraid of
telling their race or ethnicity to colleges (See article “I am not Asian”
- http://www.jessewashington.com/im-not-asian.html ), if you don’t want to live in a society where racial preference is given to one group or groups over others, if you don’t want to live in a society where our nation’s most prestigious universities consciously social-engineer our future, then race-based affirmative action must be defeated and outlawed by the highest court and by every state. In fact, 7 states - Arizona, California, Florida, Michigan, Nebraska, New Hampshire and Washington - have banned racial preferences in college admissions.
I encourage to you speak out and write more on this issue. Also please
support the initiative by visiting and liking the AAAAA Facebook page and
forwarding this message to your friends, colleagues, family members and ask
them to support as well.
We invite people of all races, not just Asian Americans, to join the fight
for racial equality and justice. Together, we can raise the public awareness
, influence policy makers, and work towards abolishing the race-based
affirmative action policy once and for all.
Best Regards,
Asian Americans Against Affirmative Action (AAAAA)
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/AgainstAA | d********n
发帖数: 1856 | 2 support
Asian
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: A good friend of mine forwarded this and asked for support. It's about Asian
: American students are being discriminated against and held at higher
: standards than other ethnic groups in college admissions.
: ====================================================================
: OPEN LETTER: A Call to End Racial Preference in College and University
: Admissions
: ====================================================================
: Dear Friends and Asian Parents,
: I am writing to you regarding the serious violation of equal protection,
: injustice, and discrimination inflicted by racial preference policies, in
| b***b
发帖数: 13249 | 3 Support！
以后，这里的中低新们越来越难了，因为，大量的携带巨款的中国人登陆美国，他们的
孩子，跟我们的孩子形成了剧烈的竞争。可是，他们的父母比我们有钱的多得多，基本
上，他们不需要什么财政资助，在大学的入学中，占据很大的优势。大学会很看重这些
有钱的孩子。而且，他们的成绩并不差。
对于未来，我不看好。 但是，幸亏我对孩子的要求不高。只要有份OK的工作，家庭幸
福就好了。
Asian
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: A good friend of mine forwarded this and asked for support. It's about Asian
: American students are being discriminated against and held at higher
: standards than other ethnic groups in college admissions.
: ====================================================================
: OPEN LETTER: A Call to End Racial Preference in College and University
: Admissions
: ====================================================================
: Dear Friends and Asian Parents,
: I am writing to you regarding the serious violation of equal protection,
: injustice, and discrimination inflicted by racial preference policies, in
| g*****c
发帖数: 4378 | 4 这是个很棘手的问题
很多亚裔也许片面地以为成绩才是标准
成绩好没被录取,就以为被歧视了
唯一的办法是按美国学校录取的标准培养你的孩子
否则跑美国来折腾什么呢?中国的"教育"比美国好多了 | y*****y
发帖数: 1208 | 5 You certainly can educate your kids the american way but the colleges still
see your kids as Asian - that's the problem. Asian kids are competing
against other asians, not white, black, or hispanic.
【在 g*****c 的大作中提到】
: 这是个很棘手的问题
: 很多亚裔也许片面地以为成绩才是标准
: 成绩好没被录取,就以为被歧视了
: 唯一的办法是按美国学校录取的标准培养你的孩子
: 否则跑美国来折腾什么呢?中国的"教育"比美国好多了
| y*****y
发帖数: 1208 | 6 That's exactly right. Harvard and other ivies would rather have more Chinese
elites' kids from China (the already rich and powerful - e.g. Bo GuaGua)
than kids from average middle-class Chinese American families seeking their
American dreams in the U.S.
【在 b***b 的大作中提到】
: Support！
: 以后，这里的中低新们越来越难了，因为，大量的携带巨款的中国人登陆美国，他们的
: 孩子，跟我们的孩子形成了剧烈的竞争。可是，他们的父母比我们有钱的多得多，基本
: 上，他们不需要什么财政资助，在大学的入学中，占据很大的优势。大学会很看重这些
: 有钱的孩子。而且，他们的成绩并不差。
: 对于未来，我不看好。 但是，幸亏我对孩子的要求不高。只要有份OK的工作，家庭幸
: 福就好了。
:
: Asian
| g*****c
发帖数: 4378 | 7 你这个观点有点偏跛
中国高官的孩子在哈佛这种学校并不多,就象有很多类似的美国孩子一样
大部分的华人子弟还是普通人家的,而大部份来自中国的小孩绝对比这边
的优秀,要怪也只能怪美国的教育制度
Chinese
their
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: That's exactly right. Harvard and other ivies would rather have more Chinese
: elites' kids from China (the already rich and powerful - e.g. Bo GuaGua)
: than kids from average middle-class Chinese American families seeking their
: American dreams in the U.S.
| y*****y
发帖数: 1208 | 8 "大部份来自中国的小孩绝对比这边的优秀"????? what is your evidence? good
test takers and grade-grabbers?
【在 g*****c 的大作中提到】
: 你这个观点有点偏跛
: 中国高官的孩子在哈佛这种学校并不多,就象有很多类似的美国孩子一样
: 大部分的华人子弟还是普通人家的,而大部份来自中国的小孩绝对比这边
: 的优秀,要怪也只能怪美国的教育制度
:
: Chinese
: their
|
| g*****c
发帖数: 4378 | 9 打这么多问号,至于这么惊讶吗
如果你有中学生/大学生的孩子应该同意我的说法
且这样的例子俯拾即是
远点说,我们自己刚来美国读书时,不就比ABC强几条街
现在工作了还不一样,很多有点技术的工作不都是国内培养的人在做
美国的教育培养的是精英,如果混不到顶级位子(大忽悠),则鲜有高技术
的水准/能力,看看你们家收入的百分比就知道我说的不假
当然我们讨论的对象显然不包括在国内读不下去,花钱出来在
烂学校混文凭那些
而且我们的话题应是围绕哈佛这样的学校
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: "大部份来自中国的小孩绝对比这边的优秀"????? what is your evidence? good
: test takers and grade-grabbers?
| d*******n
发帖数: 1566 | 10 "but the colleges still see your kids as Asian "
这不是废话么。。不是asian还能是啥？ 难道你希望colleges to see your kids as
African？
racial issue在这个国家存在好多个世纪了，黑人总算有一个出头了的不过普遍问题还
是无解，discrimination 是人性本质的一部分，出发点是好的，可惜无法彻底解决，
除非我们达到 Matrix 里 Zion 的境界---所有人种都彻底mix了，外表都一样，human
本身就是单一一个race
still
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: You certainly can educate your kids the american way but the colleges still
: see your kids as Asian - that's the problem. Asian kids are competing
: against other asians, not white, black, or hispanic.
| | | c********t
发帖数: 4527 | 11 this is true,
they can not ask "are you first generation or second generation immigration
from China?"
LOL
human
【在 d*******n 的大作中提到】
: "but the colleges still see your kids as Asian "
: 这不是废话么。。不是asian还能是啥？ 难道你希望colleges to see your kids as
: African？
: racial issue在这个国家存在好多个世纪了，黑人总算有一个出头了的不过普遍问题还
: 是无解，discrimination 是人性本质的一部分，出发点是好的，可惜无法彻底解决，
: 除非我们达到 Matrix 里 Zion 的境界---所有人种都彻底mix了，外表都一样，human
: 本身就是单一一个race
:
: still
| B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 12 Well said.
The human race has been and will be fighting for limited resources. To an
alien from another world, we are all Earth people.
human
【在 d*******n 的大作中提到】
: "but the colleges still see your kids as Asian "
: 这不是废话么。。不是asian还能是啥？ 难道你希望colleges to see your kids as
: African？
: racial issue在这个国家存在好多个世纪了，黑人总算有一个出头了的不过普遍问题还
: 是无解，discrimination 是人性本质的一部分，出发点是好的，可惜无法彻底解决，
: 除非我们达到 Matrix 里 Zion 的境界---所有人种都彻底mix了，外表都一样，human
: 本身就是单一一个race
:
: still
| y*****y
发帖数: 1208 | 13 You didn't really get it.....We are not talking about eliminating
discrimination in society. it's impossile. Hatred, hunger, war, prejuduice,
and discrimination are all part of human history.
What I was talking about is the INSTITUTIONALIZED DISCRIMINATION in college
admissions against Asian students.
I suggest you visit the AAAAA Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/AgainstAA which has a wealth of information on the topic of affirmative action including an exhaustive collection of historic events, important court cases, interviews of intellectuals, reviews, debates, articles by subject matter experts, books by prominent scholars, reports, commentaries, op-eds, and many links to blogs, videos. I hope you find it resourceful and informative.
7 states - Arizona, California, Florida, Michigan, Nebraska, New Hampshire
and Washington - have banned racial preferences in college admissions. But
more work needs to be done.
human
【在 d*******n 的大作中提到】
: "but the colleges still see your kids as Asian "
: 这不是废话么。。不是asian还能是啥？ 难道你希望colleges to see your kids as
: African？
: racial issue在这个国家存在好多个世纪了，黑人总算有一个出头了的不过普遍问题还
: 是无解，discrimination 是人性本质的一部分，出发点是好的，可惜无法彻底解决，
: 除非我们达到 Matrix 里 Zion 的境界---所有人种都彻底mix了，外表都一样，human
: 本身就是单一一个race
:
: still
| y*****y
发帖数: 1208 | 14 Quotas for Asian Americans? Yes and No
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35075-2005Jan25.html
By Jay Mathews
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 25, 2005; 10:12 AM
===============================
If the system is to change, and worthy Asian American students are to get
what they deserve, they are going to need more advocates than just Ed Chin
and the few other civil rights and admissions experts who have raised these
issues. Shellye McKinney, a former college admissions officer, said that "
affirmative action was creat...ed because people fought for it" and those
who think it is hurting students of Asian descent are going to have to
struggle in the same way to make themselves heard.
As I usually tell Chin when he rails against the American media in general
and me in particular for not giving his concerns enough attention, there has
to be dramatic evidence of support for his thinking before editors and news
directors will get interested. Street demonstrations, boycotts, major
conferences, bills in Congress -- all those things would help.
The press tends to pay attention to those who are shouting the loudest, and
so far the people Chin is trying to help have been very quiet.
===============================
What Jay said hit the nail in the head. If you guys choose to keep silent,
VERY SAD. In a democracy, you need to speak out to protect your own interset
. | y*****y
发帖数: 1208 | 15 Dude, you are entitled to your own opinion. But i suggest you take a hard
look at the reality and think WHAT YOU CAN DO to help Asian Americans. And
doing nothing is not a good option. I am at least helping my friend's cause
. What about you?
【在 g*****c 的大作中提到】
: 打这么多问号,至于这么惊讶吗
: 如果你有中学生/大学生的孩子应该同意我的说法
: 且这样的例子俯拾即是
: 远点说,我们自己刚来美国读书时,不就比ABC强几条街
: 现在工作了还不一样,很多有点技术的工作不都是国内培养的人在做
: 美国的教育培养的是精英,如果混不到顶级位子(大忽悠),则鲜有高技术
: 的水准/能力,看看你们家收入的百分比就知道我说的不假
: 当然我们讨论的对象显然不包括在国内读不下去,花钱出来在
: 烂学校混文凭那些
: 而且我们的话题应是围绕哈佛这样的学校
| a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 16 现在国内有些比较有先见之明的家长早就按美国标准培养自己的孩子了，来这里读一两
年高中，过渡一下，再读本科。我就听说过这么进哈佛的
美国这边透明度高，你把成绩，体育，艺术，社区服务，社团活动，演讲，leadership
都按标准都搞定，把钱准备足，很难不上IVY league
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: "大部份来自中国的小孩绝对比这边的优秀"????? what is your evidence? good
: test takers and grade-grabbers?
| g*****c
发帖数: 4378 | 17 在美国要进名校还有两条"捷径"
一是你超级有钱,如果你给哈佛捐5M,你的孩子稍差点,差不多
也可以进
另外一个没上面那么神奇,但时常也起决定作用,就是所谓的"LEGACY"
leadership
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 现在国内有些比较有先见之明的家长早就按美国标准培养自己的孩子了，来这里读一两
: 年高中，过渡一下，再读本科。我就听说过这么进哈佛的
: 美国这边透明度高，你把成绩，体育，艺术，社区服务，社团活动，演讲，leadership
: 都按标准都搞定，把钱准备足，很难不上IVY league
| a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 18 具体说说这个Legacy
【在 g*****c 的大作中提到】
: 在美国要进名校还有两条"捷径"
: 一是你超级有钱,如果你给哈佛捐5M,你的孩子稍差点,差不多
: 也可以进
: 另外一个没上面那么神奇,但时常也起决定作用,就是所谓的"LEGACY"
:
: leadership
| g*****c
发帖数: 4378 | 19 基本上名校都有这个考量
简单地说如果父母上过这个学校的,子女就能沾光
兄弟姐妹也算
工作好象也行,但似乎象我们这种直接过来念研究生的
要打折甚至有传言不算
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 具体说说这个Legacy
| a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 20 我想起当年高考的时候，班上有同学的哥哥在读清华，然后招生的时候，他哥带着清华
的老师浩浩荡荡的杀到我们哪里，结果我们班四分之一都去了清华
对了，要是家里面有人给admission office做volunteer，会不会有帮助？
【在 g*****c 的大作中提到】
: 基本上名校都有这个考量
: 简单地说如果父母上过这个学校的,子女就能沾光
: 兄弟姐妹也算
: 工作好象也行,但似乎象我们这种直接过来念研究生的
: 要打折甚至有传言不算
| | | g*****c
发帖数: 4378 | 21 这个就不敢乱说了
我知道的我们镇今年有个孩子
他妈就在哈佛admission office工作,so far提前录取没进
让我猜,美国学校这种录取方式肯定有帮助
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 我想起当年高考的时候，班上有同学的哥哥在读清华，然后招生的时候，他哥带着清华
: 的老师浩浩荡荡的杀到我们哪里，结果我们班四分之一都去了清华
: 对了，要是家里面有人给admission office做volunteer，会不会有帮助？
| a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 22 等你有准确消息的时候，麻烦你告诉我一声
我记得我的co-intern，为了自己的弟弟能上我们的学校，下了夜班，红着眼睛去给
medical school applicant做tour guide
【在 g*****c 的大作中提到】
: 这个就不敢乱说了
: 我知道的我们镇今年有个孩子
: 他妈就在哈佛admission office工作,so far提前录取没进
: 让我猜,美国学校这种录取方式肯定有帮助
| g*****c
发帖数: 4378 | 23 那就别指望了
就我们这种人,最多也就沾点LEGACY的光
ADMISSION OFFICE门朝那边开都不知道,哪能知道这种内幕
纯粹一点小道消息,唯有LEGACY部分可以算大道消息,因为连学校都不忌讳说
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 等你有准确消息的时候，麻烦你告诉我一声
: 我记得我的co-intern，为了自己的弟弟能上我们的学校，下了夜班，红着眼睛去给
: medical school applicant做tour guide
| B********e
发帖数: 501 | 24 7 states - Arizona, California, Florida, Michigan, Nebraska, New Hampshire
and Washington - have banned racial preferences in college admissions. But
more work needs to be done.
I rather move to those states. i hope one day MA to be one of them. Thank
you for sharing!
cause
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: Dude, you are entitled to your own opinion. But i suggest you take a hard
: look at the reality and think WHAT YOU CAN DO to help Asian Americans. And
: doing nothing is not a good option. I am at least helping my friend's cause
: . What about you?
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