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d********m
发帖数: 3662
2
普清林华表示严正抗议
z*******o
发帖数: 1794
3
cheng yifan的文章在,证明不是对中国人的歧视。可能只能说11公用电镜解蛋白结构
是典型的跟风,不过他灌水水平确实很高。
另外,电镜解蛋白意义是不是相当于PCR做克隆?早年能徒手克隆一个基因也很费劲,
PCR出来后整个都不一样了。还有一个例子是CRISPR,n年后一个蛋白结构一个KO是不是
都只能放到一篇文章的补充材料,最后甚至变成简单一句话? 科技确实在进步,新技
术对生命科学的推动确实很大。

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: rbs (jay), 信区: Military
: 标 题: 诺委会太不像话了 (转载)
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 4 10:58:51 2017, 美东)
: 发信人: rbs (jay), 信区: Joke
: 标 题: 诺委会太不像话了
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 4 10:23:52 2017, 美东)
: 尼玛87篇参考文献就不能加一篇施教授或能教授的CNS?
: References
: 1. Ruska, E., Nobel Lectures, Physics 1981-1990, Tore Frängsmyr and

s******y
发帖数: 17729
4
若干年以后,结蛋白结构就行做个TA克隆电转化一样,不对步骤多些,摇菌就要摇好几
大桶老费劲了

【在 z*******o 的大作中提到】
: cheng yifan的文章在,证明不是对中国人的歧视。可能只能说11公用电镜解蛋白结构
: 是典型的跟风,不过他灌水水平确实很高。
: 另外,电镜解蛋白意义是不是相当于PCR做克隆?早年能徒手克隆一个基因也很费劲,
: PCR出来后整个都不一样了。还有一个例子是CRISPR,n年后一个蛋白结构一个KO是不是
: 都只能放到一篇文章的补充材料,最后甚至变成简单一句话? 科技确实在进步,新技
: 术对生命科学的推动确实很大。

h********s
发帖数: 20
5
以前克隆个基因,序列不是都放在正文figure里嘛。现在冷冻电镜造假昂贵,也就清北
中科院这种地方砸得起钱买,很多公司都买不起,以后便宜了估计很多公司都能买,解
个结构就像DNA测序一样,后基因组时代,估计都不要自己摇菌准备样品,说下基因名
字就可以了。。。

【在 z*******o 的大作中提到】
: cheng yifan的文章在,证明不是对中国人的歧视。可能只能说11公用电镜解蛋白结构
: 是典型的跟风,不过他灌水水平确实很高。
: 另外,电镜解蛋白意义是不是相当于PCR做克隆?早年能徒手克隆一个基因也很费劲,
: PCR出来后整个都不一样了。还有一个例子是CRISPR,n年后一个蛋白结构一个KO是不是
: 都只能放到一篇文章的补充材料,最后甚至变成简单一句话? 科技确实在进步,新技
: 术对生命科学的推动确实很大。

d*******g
发帖数: 8992
6
竟然没Glaeser,看看第一个做cryogenic EM的是谁,看看最早的frozen hydrated
sample是谁做的(文献中的1974和1976)
诺奖真是欧洲奖,一旦欧美竞争,美国真是吃大亏啊!
U*******n
发帖数: 824
7
第一个做出剪接体电镜的是马普的Stark。诺贝尔委员会引用了他2010年的文章,2016
年的人剪接体也是他第一个发的。
欧洲人非常的阴险,11公的文章最大的可能就是Stark把他捧上去的,Stark 自己的原
创早就被诺贝尔奖评委会认可了,是铁定的,要多捧一批文章出来证明他是对的。这是
拿着棒棒糖逗着你玩呢。

【在 z*******o 的大作中提到】
: cheng yifan的文章在,证明不是对中国人的歧视。可能只能说11公用电镜解蛋白结构
: 是典型的跟风,不过他灌水水平确实很高。
: 另外,电镜解蛋白意义是不是相当于PCR做克隆?早年能徒手克隆一个基因也很费劲,
: PCR出来后整个都不一样了。还有一个例子是CRISPR,n年后一个蛋白结构一个KO是不是
: 都只能放到一篇文章的补充材料,最后甚至变成简单一句话? 科技确实在进步,新技
: 术对生命科学的推动确实很大。

x****6
发帖数: 4339
8
按照你这个说法,亚洲也有了未来奖、邵逸夫奖,将来说不定各自圈地占山头,各玩各
的。

2016

【在 U*******n 的大作中提到】
: 第一个做出剪接体电镜的是马普的Stark。诺贝尔委员会引用了他2010年的文章,2016
: 年的人剪接体也是他第一个发的。
: 欧洲人非常的阴险,11公的文章最大的可能就是Stark把他捧上去的,Stark 自己的原
: 创早就被诺贝尔奖评委会认可了,是铁定的,要多捧一批文章出来证明他是对的。这是
: 拿着棒棒糖逗着你玩呢。

U*******n
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那只能更加降低这些地区奖的含金量,原创你是必须承认的。

【在 x****6 的大作中提到】
: 按照你这个说法,亚洲也有了未来奖、邵逸夫奖,将来说不定各自圈地占山头,各玩各
: 的。
:
: 2016

s****j
发帖数: 135
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不过邵奖还是面向全球也讲原创的,今年的生理医学,物理的诺奖得主有几个以前得过
邵奖。
但是未来奖局限于中国地区的工作。

【在 U*******n 的大作中提到】
: 那只能更加降低这些地区奖的含金量,原创你是必须承认的。
j****n
发帖数: 3370
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这个绝对是故意的
虽然11g工作拿不了炸药奖 但比87篇里不少工作还是有意义nb一些的
[在 snowyday (买买提Fuckty) 的大作中提到:]
:尼玛87篇参考文献就不能加一篇施教授或能教授的CNS?
:References
:1. Ruska, E., Nobel Lectures, Physics 1981-1990, Tore Frängsmyr and
Gösta Ekspong, Eds. (1993) World Scientific Publishing, Singapore
:Arrangement of electron transport chain components in bovine mitochondrial
:supercomplex I1III2IV1. The EMBO Journal 30, 4652-4664
:architecture of respiratory supercomplexes.
:Nature 537, 644-648
:high resolution electron microscopy of viruses. Biochim. Biophys. Acta 34,
:acid-containing structures for electron microscopy. J. Biophys. Biochem.
:Cytology 11, 273-296
:..........
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