d*****r
发帖数: 2583 | 1 Leaving Science
February 8, 2014
Why I’m leaving
I have decided, after 40 years as a lab scientist and 24 years running my
own lab, to shut it down and leave. I write this to explain why, for those
of my friends and colleagues who’d like to know. The short answer is that I
’m tired of being a professor. Indeed, I know that I can’t continue
indefinitely, and I would much rather have people ask why I am leaving so
soon, than why I haven’t already gone[1]. The long answer follows. It’s
not 100% true, but it’s as close as any explanation of a complex personal
decision is likely to get. It comes down to four things. One has been a
constant, the others have gotten gradually worse.
Being a boss
I have never liked being a boss. My happiest years as a scientist were when
I was a student and then a postdoc. I knew I wouldn’t like running a lab,
and I didn’t like it. This has always been true.
Paperwork and burocracy
This sounds trivial, but it isn’t. There is a mind-numbing amount of
paperwork and burocratic form and procedure involved in being a professor
and running a lab. It was not always so. Every year new requirements are
added, and they have accumulated to the point that most of us just lose
track. They take up an enormous amount of time, and it’s particularly
galling, because we know that most is useless.
Selling yourself
As a scientist, you have to constantly sell yourself. This comes in three
main areas: recruiting people to your lab, publishing your work, and
securing funding. Publishing and funding have gotten harder over my years in
science. Referees and editors are more demanding—publishing a paper is now
always a struggle. Research in biology is expensive, and funding has gotten
tighter and tighter.
There’s also a personal element to this. In the USA, most funding for
biology comes from the National Institutes of Health. For many years NIH was
interested in funding basic research as well as research aimed directly at
curing diseases. With the tightening funding has come a focus on so-called
“translational research”. Now when we apply for funding we have to explain
what diseases our work is going to cure. Publication and recruiting have
followed: journals and students want research on major medical problems.
I have never been interested in that. Undoubtedly it is a noble thing to
help humanity, but it isn’t what makes me tick. I have always been a pure
curiosity-driven scientist. It’s my play and my passion and my religion.
And I’ve been lucky that the world was willing to pay me to do it. Now it
is hard for me to explain the diseases my work will cure. It feels like
selling snake oil. I don’t want to do it any more.
Doubt of the mission
I have come to doubt that we who run research labs are doing a good thing
for our grad students and postdocs. This is also something that has changed.
Grad students and postdocs work hard and don’t get paid much. I did myself
, and I loved it. It’s worth it if you have a future. When I was a student,
and when I was a postdoc and for the first years that I was a professor,
grad students and postdocs had somewhere to go. Now, for most of them, there
isn’t.
But I had a great time!
This all sounds pretty bad, but that’s not how I feel. I love doing science
, and have always felt that I was fantastically lucky that the world was
willing to pay me a salary, and even more to pay for all the expensive toys
I needed, just so I could play. Of course, the world didn’t do this out of
generosity—it was wise enough or gullible enough to think it would get
value for money, and I hope it did. But that doesn’t erase the gift I
received. If the world felt that a renegotiation of the deal was in order,
that’s fair. It was all above board and I always had the option of signing
off.
So now I am. After more than 40 years, I am going to cease to be a lab rat.
There are other things I love, and I expect to continue to learn and work
hard and have fun. My immediate plans are to go back to school and get a
degree in Mathematics. This too has been a passion of mine ever since high-
school sophomore Geometry, when I first learned what math is really about.
And my love of it has increased in recent years as I have learned more. It
will be tremendous fun to go back and learn those things that I didn’t have
the time or the money to study as an undergrad.
A few details: I plan to continue in my present position through the end of
2014. That will give me time to finish up half a dozen papers. I will let my
current grants lapse. I recently applied for a grant on behalf of my
postdoc Alex, and if that is funded, I will stay on past 2014 so that he can
accept it.
[1]I would much rather have men ask why I have no statue, than why I have
one.
—Cato |
e*******o
发帖数: 4654 | 2 Doubt of the mission
It’s worth it if you have a future. When I was a student,
and when I was a postdoc and for the first years that I was a professor,
grad students and postdocs had somewhere to go. Now, for most of them, there
isn’t.
终于有个教授直接说出来了。多数人根本没有未来。 |
l*******r
发帖数: 63 | 3 说出了我等小蚂蚁的心声：师者，所以传道，受业，解惑也。如果我的学生没有将来，
为什么我要存在？为了自己的名声，事业去牺牲别人的将来？ |
b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 4 I would much rather have people ask why I am leaving so soon, than why I hav
en't already gone.牛死了。。。
I
【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: Leaving Science
: February 8, 2014
: Why I’m leaving
: I have decided, after 40 years as a lab scientist and 24 years running my
: own lab, to shut it down and leave. I write this to explain why, for those
: of my friends and colleagues who’d like to know. The short answer is that I
: ’m tired of being a professor. Indeed, I know that I can’t continue
: indefinitely, and I would much rather have people ask why I am leaving so
: soon, than why I haven’t already gone[1]. The long answer follows. It’s
: not 100% true, but it’s as close as any explanation of a complex personal
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b******y
发帖数: 627 | 5 Nicest guy, most diligent professor!
He sat through every single class of my year of core course (I escaped 1/3+)
. He did this for a number of years: i.e. he listened to virtually the same
lectures over and over simply because he was one of the organizers.
He remembered everything single student's face in our class (c.a. 95) by
looking at our photos and called many names including mine during his
lectures. |
S*********s
发帖数: 304 | 6 Leon Avery是个真性情的人。
有integrity.
I
【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: Leaving Science
: February 8, 2014
: Why I’m leaving
: I have decided, after 40 years as a lab scientist and 24 years running my
: own lab, to shut it down and leave. I write this to explain why, for those
: of my friends and colleagues who’d like to know. The short answer is that I
: ’m tired of being a professor. Indeed, I know that I can’t continue
: indefinitely, and I would much rather have people ask why I am leaving so
: soon, than why I haven’t already gone[1]. The long answer follows. It’s
: not 100% true, but it’s as close as any explanation of a complex personal
|
l****m
发帖数: 751 | 7 他已经赚够了钱，说退就退；我等呢？
当然了，老头是个很好的老头，对老头没有意见。 |
n********k
发帖数: 2818 | 8 一直听说他很不错（做他们那种研究的人一般比较科学化，比较哲学化和人性话吧），
但几年都没有机会同他交流过，有点后悔的说哈。不过话说回来，你我应该都会是不错
的导师哈--也要小心哈，现在的年轻人有时真的抽，不少的非得抽！
回来前，同本版某千青一起同大家聚聚哈，千青说回来要大展拳脚哈，我说了一句要对
得住自己良心和对得起学生的话，咱们的大牛球友说，如果回去几年后我还能这样想这
样说，他就喝酒哈--现在看起来，他要喝酒了，不过我已经被几个师兄教训了哈：））
，在目前的竞争环境下，坚持做一个有原则，做一个好人真的不容易啊！希望北大清华
的工作人员和生源会好些，这样你也无需在人性和现实上挣扎哈：））---想想LEON可
以功成名就而退，我们呢，还要为原则底线和家庭而挣扎，到目前为止，我都是我们实
验室by far the hardest working person! 基本是所有人双倍以上的努力！有时候真
想发飙哈！
+)
same
【在 b******y 的大作中提到】
: Nicest guy, most diligent professor!
: He sat through every single class of my year of core course (I escaped 1/3+)
: . He did this for a number of years: i.e. he listened to virtually the same
: lectures over and over simply because he was one of the organizers.
: He remembered everything single student's face in our class (c.a. 95) by
: looking at our photos and called many names including mine during his
: lectures.
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A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 9 When I'm interviewing students (Ph.D. students), I always asked them why do
they want to do research as an career and there is no jobs most likely for
them if they are not the champions in the field as my 2nd question on the
interview. If they said they don't know that there is no job, I told them
to do some real-life "research" first instead of applying for graduate
school to do research. |
a****k
发帖数: 1130 | 10 嗯，超级好的人
phd前几年没和他私下说过话（汗），最后一年写postdoc fellowship申请的时候临时
找他去改。特别的热心，我写的都是自己从没接触过的实验（再汗），他就在实验细节
旁边大段大段的加批注，解释非常清楚我这样做可能会怎样，有什么更好的方法，还把
reference加在那里。还把手机号给我说有不明白的随时打电话问，大半夜的还会发很
长的email讨论他以前观察到的实验现象对我propose的东西说不定有用。觉得他真是属
于完全因为兴趣做science的人
+)
same
【在 b******y 的大作中提到】
: Nicest guy, most diligent professor!
: He sat through every single class of my year of core course (I escaped 1/3+)
: . He did this for a number of years: i.e. he listened to virtually the same
: lectures over and over simply because he was one of the organizers.
: He remembered everything single student's face in our class (c.a. 95) by
: looking at our photos and called many names including mine during his
: lectures.
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d*****r
发帖数: 2583 | 11 kao..原来你们都认识他。。我还真没想到。
本来只是朋友给我看的，我觉得他写得比较真诚所以贴上来的。
【在 a****k 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，超级好的人
: phd前几年没和他私下说过话（汗），最后一年写postdoc fellowship申请的时候临时
: 找他去改。特别的热心，我写的都是自己从没接触过的实验（再汗），他就在实验细节
: 旁边大段大段的加批注，解释非常清楚我这样做可能会怎样，有什么更好的方法，还把
: reference加在那里。还把手机号给我说有不明白的随时打电话问，大半夜的还会发很
: 长的email讨论他以前观察到的实验现象对我propose的东西说不定有用。觉得他真是属
: 于完全因为兴趣做science的人
:
: +)
: same
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a****k
发帖数: 1130 | 12 你没见他那状态下我留言了吗..
【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: kao..原来你们都认识他。。我还真没想到。
: 本来只是朋友给我看的，我觉得他写得比较真诚所以贴上来的。
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b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 13 话说我google到一条批判伊的。。http://scientopia.org/blogs/drugmonkey/2014/02
/10/we-need-to-encourage-more-of-this/
【在 a****k 的大作中提到】
: 你没见他那状态下我留言了吗..
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d*****r
发帖数: 2583 | 14 我看到文章就贴了。
没去comments part...
【在 a****k 的大作中提到】
: 你没见他那状态下我留言了吗..
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d*****r
发帖数: 2583 | 15 整个科研系统的问题是你我都解决不了的，甚至可能永远无法解决。所以不如就像胡适
说的，拯救自己，就是拯救国家和社会。
事业上面，不管做不做生物，我知道你们都在过幸福快乐的事情，这就已经足够好了，
我自己也是。
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 话说我google到一条批判伊的。。http://scientopia.org/blogs/drugmonkey/2014/02
: /10/we-need-to-encourage-more-of-this/
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 16 貌似他并不是因为申请经费很难才退的。
所以批没有完全批到靶点。
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 话说我google到一条批判伊的。。http://scientopia.org/blogs/drugmonkey/2014/02
: /10/we-need-to-encourage-more-of-this/
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 17 没啥说服力阿。。。都快６０了，退不退的不就那回事。。。
不如那个Harvard CS到Google写得好。。。
I
【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: Leaving Science
: February 8, 2014
: Why I’m leaving
: I have decided, after 40 years as a lab scientist and 24 years running my
: own lab, to shut it down and leave. I write this to explain why, for those
: of my friends and colleagues who’d like to know. The short answer is that I
: ’m tired of being a professor. Indeed, I know that I can’t continue
: indefinitely, and I would much rather have people ask why I am leaving so
: soon, than why I haven’t already gone[1]. The long answer follows. It’s
: not 100% true, but it’s as close as any explanation of a complex personal
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s******y
发帖数: 17729 | 18 装的一手好逼啊
My happiest years as a scientist were when I was a student and then a
postdoc.
I
【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: Leaving Science
: February 8, 2014
: Why I’m leaving
: I have decided, after 40 years as a lab scientist and 24 years running my
: own lab, to shut it down and leave. I write this to explain why, for those
: of my friends and colleagues who’d like to know. The short answer is that I
: ’m tired of being a professor. Indeed, I know that I can’t continue
: indefinitely, and I would much rather have people ask why I am leaving so
: soon, than why I haven’t already gone[1]. The long answer follows. It’s
: not 100% true, but it’s as close as any explanation of a complex personal
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r*****t
发帖数: 4793 | |
s*****j
发帖数: 6435 | 20 在他当学生的年代也许是真的.
我以前见过一老教授, 生物系的, 总结自己教授生涯, 说 第一重要是家庭, 第二重要
是学生, 第三重要是教书, 第四重要是科研.
现在哪找这样的人?
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 装的一手好逼啊
: My happiest years as a scientist were when I was a student and then a
: postdoc.
:
: I
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s******y
发帖数: 17729 | 21 估计是，那个年头读书读啥都一样，现在那个AP叫兽再出来这样装，估计会被抽死
【在 s*****j 的大作中提到】
: 在他当学生的年代也许是真的.
: 我以前见过一老教授, 生物系的, 总结自己教授生涯, 说 第一重要是家庭, 第二重要
: 是学生, 第三重要是教书, 第四重要是科研.
: 现在哪找这样的人?
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A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 22 He had a NIH merit award...bull enough.
【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这老头是个什么级别的牛人？
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G********e
发帖数: 528 | 23 publishing CNS papers
just like selling snake oil
This is funny
I
【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: Leaving Science
: February 8, 2014
: Why I’m leaving
: I have decided, after 40 years as a lab scientist and 24 years running my
: own lab, to shut it down and leave. I write this to explain why, for those
: of my friends and colleagues who’d like to know. The short answer is that I
: ’m tired of being a professor. Indeed, I know that I can’t continue
: indefinitely, and I would much rather have people ask why I am leaving so
: soon, than why I haven’t already gone[1]. The long answer follows. It’s
: not 100% true, but it’s as close as any explanation of a complex personal
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G********e
发帖数: 528 | 24 only see one question
You're still misleading. How many champions in the field you mention?
The number matters!
Also, how to become a champion? Smart? Hardworking? Really not, luck is
another important factor.
You're not just misleading. You don't want to take the responsibility, but
saying something like you do.
A million miles away from Leon! Sad!
do
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: When I'm interviewing students (Ph.D. students), I always asked them why do
: they want to do research as an career and there is no jobs most likely for
: them if they are not the champions in the field as my 2nd question on the
: interview. If they said they don't know that there is no job, I told them
: to do some real-life "research" first instead of applying for graduate
: school to do research.
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A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 25 I don't know what are you talking about. It is not hard to calculate. Less
then 1% of graduate students will ever be tenured PIs. However, if they
cannot figure that out for themselves, my recommendation for them is don't
go to graduate school. If you haven't figure it out, I literally told them
that. Btw, most of my peers still want to recruit graduate students when
they know fully well that they won't find jobs.
Btw, I don't feel like a sneak oil salesman because I believe what I'm doing
(and I have a drug in phase I). I have no pedigree nor from big schools (
except my post-doc).
As what's needed to be a champions, luck is everything but without hardwork
the luck won't come. I have Ph.D. students in my department only work 40
hours a week (not mine), and think they are exceptional graudate students.
When MD PhD students who do even need the PhD degree work well over 60 hours
. Btw, smart means little in research. When you said someone is smart,
usually you just mean he/she has a good pedigree.
【在 G********e 的大作中提到】
: only see one question
: You're still misleading. How many champions in the field you mention?
: The number matters!
: Also, how to become a champion? Smart? Hardworking? Really not, luck is
: another important factor.
: You're not just misleading. You don't want to take the responsibility, but
: saying something like you do.
: A million miles away from Leon! Sad!
:
: do
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S*****a
发帖数: 1117 | 26 同问，这人谁啊？
【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这老头是个什么级别的牛人？
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w***r
发帖数: 709 | 27 Btw, smart means little in research.
聪明确实是最没用的东西，不傻就可以干生物了
热情和勤快更加重要，加上老板的种种资源
Less
them
doing
hardwork
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: I don't know what are you talking about. It is not hard to calculate. Less
: then 1% of graduate students will ever be tenured PIs. However, if they
: cannot figure that out for themselves, my recommendation for them is don't
: go to graduate school. If you haven't figure it out, I literally told them
: that. Btw, most of my peers still want to recruit graduate students when
: they know fully well that they won't find jobs.
: Btw, I don't feel like a sneak oil salesman because I believe what I'm doing
: (and I have a drug in phase I). I have no pedigree nor from big schools (
: except my post-doc).
: As what's needed to be a champions, luck is everything but without hardwork
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M******n
发帖数: 92 | 28 咋就从UT Southwestern跑了？太NICE混不下去了？ |
l*******r
发帖数: 39279 | 29 很赞
I
【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: Leaving Science
: February 8, 2014
: Why I’m leaving
: I have decided, after 40 years as a lab scientist and 24 years running my
: own lab, to shut it down and leave. I write this to explain why, for those
: of my friends and colleagues who’d like to know. The short answer is that I
: ’m tired of being a professor. Indeed, I know that I can’t continue
: indefinitely, and I would much rather have people ask why I am leaving so
: soon, than why I haven’t already gone[1]. The long answer follows. It’s
: not 100% true, but it’s as close as any explanation of a complex personal
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h********n
发帖数: 4079 | 30 不是反对你的看法, 就是好奇这个1%怎么得出来的?
我刚才试图想一个数学模型来估算多少比例的Phd成为教授.
Less
them
doing
hardwork
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: I don't know what are you talking about. It is not hard to calculate. Less
: then 1% of graduate students will ever be tenured PIs. However, if they
: cannot figure that out for themselves, my recommendation for them is don't
: go to graduate school. If you haven't figure it out, I literally told them
: that. Btw, most of my peers still want to recruit graduate students when
: they know fully well that they won't find jobs.
: Btw, I don't feel like a sneak oil salesman because I believe what I'm doing
: (and I have a drug in phase I). I have no pedigree nor from big schools (
: except my post-doc).
: As what's needed to be a champions, luck is everything but without hardwork
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s********n
发帖数: 1124 | 31 You don't feel like a sneak oil salesman does not mean you are not. Phase I
to Phase III. < 5% success rate. Good luck.
Less
them
doing
hardwork
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: I don't know what are you talking about. It is not hard to calculate. Less
: then 1% of graduate students will ever be tenured PIs. However, if they
: cannot figure that out for themselves, my recommendation for them is don't
: go to graduate school. If you haven't figure it out, I literally told them
: that. Btw, most of my peers still want to recruit graduate students when
: they know fully well that they won't find jobs.
: Btw, I don't feel like a sneak oil salesman because I believe what I'm doing
: (and I have a drug in phase I). I have no pedigree nor from big schools (
: except my post-doc).
: As what's needed to be a champions, luck is everything but without hardwork
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H*******g
发帖数: 321 | 32 we do need to encourage more of this |
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 33 No kidding, but that's very different from sneak oil salesman. I don't hype
my science or publish total bs.
I
【在 s********n 的大作中提到】
: You don't feel like a sneak oil salesman does not mean you are not. Phase I
: to Phase III. < 5% success rate. Good luck.
:
: Less
: them
: doing
: hardwork
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A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 34 The job opening for all post-doc and Ph.D. students a year is about 5% of
the application pool. The NIH R01 funding rate is at about 20%. Therefore,
about 1% will ever received tenure. Of course, some schools don't need R01
to be tenured, so it is just an estimate, but I think it is close enough.
【在 h********n 的大作中提到】
: 不是反对你的看法, 就是好奇这个1%怎么得出来的?
: 我刚才试图想一个数学模型来估算多少比例的Phd成为教授.
:
: Less
: them
: doing
: hardwork
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s********n
发帖数: 1124 | 35 Well, it's your peers, not you, that make that statement (judgment).
Some hard science may be considered total BS, and their authors may take
them seriously.
hype
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: No kidding, but that's very different from sneak oil salesman. I don't hype
: my science or publish total bs.
:
: I
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A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 36 Any reproducible scientific results (assuming done correctly with proper
controls) cannot be BS. The person may interpreted wrong due to lack of
total understanding of particular subject. It is nature of science.
Personally I think NIH should cut all Dr. Avery's funding immediately
because he doesn't even believe in them. If the PI don't believe in his own
hypothesis, why bother funding them.
【在 s********n 的大作中提到】
: Well, it's your peers, not you, that make that statement (judgment).
: Some hard science may be considered total BS, and their authors may take
: them seriously.
:
: hype
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j*******r
发帖数: 223 | 37 别的不瞎参合了。ArtyArty的英语让哥吃饭的时候差点呛到了！ |
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 38 Good!
【在 j*******r 的大作中提到】
: 别的不瞎参合了。ArtyArty的英语让哥吃饭的时候差点呛到了！
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f**********e
发帖数: 1994 | 39 so the gross tenure rate is 20%? do you believe in your estimation?
Therefore,
R01
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: The job opening for all post-doc and Ph.D. students a year is about 5% of
: the application pool. The NIH R01 funding rate is at about 20%. Therefore,
: about 1% will ever received tenure. Of course, some schools don't need R01
: to be tenured, so it is just an estimate, but I think it is close enough.
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A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 40 Sounds about right to me for schools that require large NIH grant to get
tenured.
【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】
: so the gross tenure rate is 20%? do you believe in your estimation?
:
: Therefore,
: R01
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f**********e
发帖数: 1994 | 41 姑且不管 selection bias，你看到的 AP 们真的 80％ 都下岗了？ 你真的相信你这数
字吗？
20％ 是一年内的 fund rate 吧？ accumulate 的 fund rate 也只有 20％？
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Sounds about right to me for schools that require large NIH grant to get
: tenured.
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A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 42 Well, it is an estimation. My department right now is about 30%. In my
year, we have 6 APs in my department. I think only 2 didn't get a one year
notice in the 4th year. You don't see it because the processes usually
stretches out over years. I might have under estimated the % tenured, but I
think I over estimated available jobs per year for PhDs.
【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】
: 姑且不管 selection bias，你看到的 AP 们真的 80％ 都下岗了？ 你真的相信你这数
: 字吗？
: 20％ 是一年内的 fund rate 吧？ accumulate 的 fund rate 也只有 20％？
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P****d
发帖数: 564 | 43 你们系主任疯了?!
year
I
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Well, it is an estimation. My department right now is about 30%. In my
: year, we have 6 APs in my department. I think only 2 didn't get a one year
: notice in the 4th year. You don't see it because the processes usually
: stretches out over years. I might have under estimated the % tenured, but I
: think I over estimated available jobs per year for PhDs.
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P****d
发帖数: 564 | 44 He WAS having fun. Check this out --
http://forums.wormbase.org/index.php?topic=17.0
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 装的一手好逼啊
: My happiest years as a scientist were when I was a student and then a
: postdoc.
:
: I
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b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 45 做线虫的好像传统就是挺happy的 很noble，很传统，很友善，而且花钱也不多 哈哈
我都想去做worm。。
【在 P****d 的大作中提到】
: He WAS having fun. Check this out --
: http://forums.wormbase.org/index.php?topic=17.0
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l*******r
发帖数: 39279 | 46 是的，我也发现了
做C. elegans的人好像都比较nice, 互相之间也很友好
为什么呢？
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 做线虫的好像传统就是挺happy的 很noble，很传统，很友善，而且花钱也不多 哈哈
: 我都想去做worm。。
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b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 47 我觉得两个原因：从Brenner,Sulston和Horvitz那里遗传下来的传统贵族科学家+分子生
物学黄金时代印记的风格；还有做worm总体不那么需要经费
【在 l*******r 的大作中提到】
: 是的，我也发现了
: 做C. elegans的人好像都比较nice, 互相之间也很友好
: 为什么呢？
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l**********1
发帖数: 5204 | 48 NGS 2.5 or 3.0 of worm costed more than 传统worm 分子生物学 from
2010s..
even one server needs at least RAM 256 GB
pls check,
i)
quixotic
2010-11-26 16:13:49
来自: 146.203.
4In house service, 1050 per lane. But this service does not include data
analysis, which bring me so much hard time.
http://ipv6.weiming.info/zhuti/Biology/31444167/
ii)
at least RAM 54 GB
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Biology/31569333.html
20th floor
and or
iii)
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t1/Biology/31862555_0_2.html
32th floor
So from now, if worm RNA-seq funded project, it may be from acade-politic
decisson not from clasical academic vision..
子生 |
O******e
发帖数: 4845 | 49 实在忍不住了！
根本原因就是经费压力小；压力小心情就好，心情好那对人态度就好些。而且做蝇虫的人
本来就少，就算有些坏蛋，也很少引起注意。不像做老鼠的，人那么多，人品差的绝对
数量大些，所以让人产生错觉，以为做老鼠的好人太少。。。。
子生
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得两个原因：从Brenner,Sulston和Horvitz那里遗传下来的传统贵族科学家+分子生
: 物学黄金时代印记的风格；还有做worm总体不那么需要经费
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h******y
发帖数: 321 | 50 re，做老鼠的一个大实验fail的话，时间经费损耗太大了,让人精神紧张啊
的人
【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 实在忍不住了！
: 根本原因就是经费压力小；压力小心情就好，心情好那对人态度就好些。而且做蝇虫的人
: 本来就少，就算有些坏蛋，也很少引起注意。不像做老鼠的，人那么多，人品差的绝对
: 数量大些，所以让人产生错觉，以为做老鼠的好人太少。。。。
:
: 子生
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p**********n
发帖数: 1470 | 51 就是。就这英语水平还当发考题，还叫嚣让NIH shut down Avery所有的funding.
ArtyArty你给Avery这样德艺双馨的老科学家提鞋的资格都不配。
【在 j*******r 的大作中提到】
: 别的不瞎参合了。ArtyArty的英语让哥吃饭的时候差点呛到了！
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A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 52 Well, he said that he doesn't want to do science. Why do you want to give
someone over half a million dollars a year to do things that he personally
doesn't believe in doing? There are young investigators who need the money
more than him. Don't forget he said he will stick around if one of his post
-docs received funding.
Oh, I'm not going to check my grammar for online posts. Although I'm a PI
and I love what I do. In my family, this job is the worse job a person can
have. I'm the oldest in my large extended family of this generation and the
poorest. Wait, I'm also the shortest a 180cm. :(
Btw, I don't disagree with him on how bad the job market is for PhDs, and we
should cut back significantly on training them.
【在 p**********n 的大作中提到】
: 就是。就这英语水平还当发考题，还叫嚣让NIH shut down Avery所有的funding.
: ArtyArty你给Avery这样德艺双馨的老科学家提鞋的资格都不配。
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P****d
发帖数: 564 | 53 跳吧。^_^
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 做线虫的好像传统就是挺happy的 很noble，很传统，很友善，而且花钱也不多 哈哈
: 我都想去做worm。。
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P****d
发帖数: 564 | 54 因为不nice的都去做果蝇了
【在 l*******r 的大作中提到】
: 是的，我也发现了
: 做C. elegans的人好像都比较nice, 互相之间也很友好
: 为什么呢？
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o*******a
发帖数: 242 | 55 The whole biomedical research is sick. I found out this when I got my PhD.
The field can sustain only through coaxing innocent college graduates from
countries in the 3rd world.
The US congress knows the illness. So, they exclude the advanced degree
holders in biomedical science as the talented needed by this country. In
STEM, they want all bio trainees go back to their own countries.
What Leon is doing is another proof. |
