i******2
发帖数: 86 | 1 我是phd，最近在写一片文章，我是一作，通讯作者老板，要投的那个杂志要求列出每
个人的contribution。老板写我的contribution是perform experiment and analyze
data，他是design research, analyze data。问题是事实上这个project从大方面到小
细节大部分都是我design的，所以我觉得我的contribution里面也应该有design
research而不仅仅是perform experiment。问题是我们老板是非常注重自己权威的人，
他肯定不是故意疏忽掉我的contribution的。是不是design research的贡献还是挺重
要的？也不好直接跟他提，因为后面还有文章要写，搞得不愉快也不好。 |
m****c
发帖数: 2416 | 2 恭喜投nanture系列。。。。
【在 i******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是phd，最近在写一片文章，我是一作，通讯作者老板，要投的那个杂志要求列出每
: 个人的contribution。老板写我的contribution是perform experiment and analyze
: data，他是design research, analyze data。问题是事实上这个project从大方面到小
: 细节大部分都是我design的，所以我觉得我的contribution里面也应该有design
: research而不仅仅是perform experiment。问题是我们老板是非常注重自己权威的人，
: 他肯定不是故意疏忽掉我的contribution的。是不是design research的贡献还是挺重
: 要的？也不好直接跟他提，因为后面还有文章要写，搞得不愉快也不好。
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s********r
发帖数: 312 | 3 这个也要争？author contribution完全没人会看啊 |
i******2
发帖数: 86 | 4 不是CNS之中的。。。。
【在 m****c 的大作中提到】
: 恭喜投nanture系列。。。。
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i******2
发帖数: 86 | 5 没人看就算了。
只是觉得以后找工作的话不要让人觉得只是会做实验而没自己的想法。
【在 s********r 的大作中提到】
: 这个也要争？author contribution完全没人会看啊
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F******p
发帖数: 2099 | 6 直接告诉他应该加你名字在design,perform，analyze,write里面。 中国人的客气在老
外看来就是软弱。 |
n****g
发帖数: 1063 | 7 author contribution还是要争取的。设计实验，撰写是很重要的 |
s**f
发帖数: 365 | 8 就是写个cover letter而已。
你觉得这个对你的未来有什么作用？
【在 i******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是phd，最近在写一片文章，我是一作，通讯作者老板，要投的那个杂志要求列出每
: 个人的contribution。老板写我的contribution是perform experiment and analyze
: data，他是design research, analyze data。问题是事实上这个project从大方面到小
: 细节大部分都是我design的，所以我觉得我的contribution里面也应该有design
: research而不仅仅是perform experiment。问题是我们老板是非常注重自己权威的人，
: 他肯定不是故意疏忽掉我的contribution的。是不是design research的贡献还是挺重
: 要的？也不好直接跟他提，因为后面还有文章要写，搞得不愉快也不好。
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P****d
发帖数: 564 | 9 From my experience, people don't typically pay attention to the author
contribution section when evaluating a job candidate. What's more important is what your reference letters say about whether you have a brain and whether you can impress them with your way of thinking when you interview.
So you think it was not an omission on his part, I would let it go.
【在 i******2 的大作中提到】
: 没人看就算了。
: 只是觉得以后找工作的话不要让人觉得只是会做实验而没自己的想法。
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h********F
发帖数: 484 | 10 得了吧，他老板连确凿的事实都不愿意承认，你以为他会把将来虚不拉几的推荐信写得
天花乱坠？
important is what your reference letters say about whether you have a brain
and whether you can impress them with your way of thinking when you
interview.
【在 P****d 的大作中提到】
: From my experience, people don't typically pay attention to the author
: contribution section when evaluating a job candidate. What's more important is what your reference letters say about whether you have a brain and whether you can impress them with your way of thinking when you interview.
: So you think it was not an omission on his part, I would let it go.
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f*******7
发帖数: 1019 | 11 Talk to your advisor about this. Don't be shy.
First authorship without contribution to research design = you are just your
advisor's hands. It looks bad.
【在 i******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是phd，最近在写一片文章，我是一作，通讯作者老板，要投的那个杂志要求列出每
: 个人的contribution。老板写我的contribution是perform experiment and analyze
: data，他是design research, analyze data。问题是事实上这个project从大方面到小
: 细节大部分都是我design的，所以我觉得我的contribution里面也应该有design
: research而不仅仅是perform experiment。问题是我们老板是非常注重自己权威的人，
: 他肯定不是故意疏忽掉我的contribution的。是不是design research的贡献还是挺重
: 要的？也不好直接跟他提，因为后面还有文章要写，搞得不愉快也不好。
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P****d
发帖数: 564 | 12 It's true that there's no guarantee what the letter is going to look like.
But do you realize how many wrong assumptions you made in that one sentence
you wrote, which may hurt you some time down the road if that's the general
way you think about career development?
brain
【在 h********F 的大作中提到】
: 得了吧，他老板连确凿的事实都不愿意承认，你以为他会把将来虚不拉几的推荐信写得
: 天花乱坠？
:
: important is what your reference letters say about whether you have a brain
: and whether you can impress them with your way of thinking when you
: interview.
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P****d
发帖数: 564 | 13 It's true that there's no guarantee what the letter is going to look like.
But do you realize how many wrong assumptions you made in that one sentence
you wrote, which may hurt you some time down the road if that's the general
way you think about career development?
brain
【在 h********F 的大作中提到】
: 得了吧，他老板连确凿的事实都不愿意承认，你以为他会把将来虚不拉几的推荐信写得
: 天花乱坠？
:
: important is what your reference letters say about whether you have a brain
: and whether you can impress them with your way of thinking when you
: interview.
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i***m
发帖数: 1 | 14 A personal comment only:
This may depend on how you interpret "design research". Your supervisor
might have designed the research five years ago when she/he submitted her/
his proposal to a funding agency, while you might not even be in her/his lab
at that time. Your understanding of "designed research" may have been
included in "performed research/experiment". The latter may NOT simply be
conducting the experimental steps/procedures given by someone ("without
brain"). From my understanding, "事实上这个project从大方面到小细节大部分都
是我design的" would means that the project was independently initiated and
proposed by you rather than your advisor. I am not saying that this is
impossible. But one is hard to give an objective judgment without details.
I have seen that a faculty candidate even without 1st author paper got the
offer. His supervisor might write that XXX is one of the best
experimentalists in the world, or something like "XXX is as good as Steven
Chu...". Of course, this is very politics.
Focus on the important thing--you are the first author! People will cite
you paper as "xxx (your name) et al. discovered/found...". As a PhD student,
isn't it important (though not perfect in your side)?
Good luck, |
D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 15 至少可以提一句吧，以探讨的口气。
不是只有奋起抗争拍桌子和忍气吞声两种选择。 |
