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b*****u
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So what gives? How does Jeremy Lin go from getting cut by two mediocre clubs
-- the Golden State Warriors and Houston Rockets, to starring on one of the
league's biggest stages, all within a period of three months?
To find out, we asked some of the league's talent evaluators and here's how
they explained the 6-foot-3 Harvard grad's ascension from undrafted D-
Leaguer to New York Knicks energizer. Lin, who was beaten out by Goran
Dragic and Jonny Flynn for Houston's backup point guard spot in December,
has averaged 25 points and eight assists while shooting 58 percent from the
floor over the last three games.
No one wanted to take credit away from Lin, but no one was ready to declare
him the next Steve Nash, either, and no one was ready to call out the
Warriors and Rockets (or all the other teams that passed on him in the 2010
draft) as numbskulls. But they said that there's more at work than Lin's
ability.
For one, Mike D'Antoni's system plays a huge role. D'Antoni was often
referred to as an offensive genius during his great run with the Phoenix
Suns. Well, judging from his inability to mesh the talents of Carmelo
Anthony and Amare Stoudemire, we've seen that he's not quite all that. D'
Antoni is more like a one-trick pony, and his one trick is a terrific
offense for a point guard.
Lin's surge is just the latest evidence that a competent point guard who
possesses natural point guard instincts and doesn't give up his dribble
easily will look much better in D'Antoni's offense than in just about any
other system. Remember Chris Duhon? Three years ago, he averaged 11.1 points
and 7.2 assists on 42 percent shooting (all career highs by a mile) for D'
Antoni's Knicks. Now he's a three-points-per-game scorer while backing up
the struggling Jameer Nelson in Orlando.
How about Raymond Felton? He actually garnered All-Star consideration while
starting for the Knicks last season, and his career-high numbers (again, by
a mile) of 17 points and nine assists per game warranted it. Since leaving D
'Antoni, things haven't gone as smoothly. First, Felton found himself
backing up Ty Lawson in Denver, and now he's averaging 10 points and fewer
than seven assists while shooting just 37 percent with Portland.
Heck, even the fantastic Nash wasn't so fantastic before hooking up with D'
Antoni. A two-time All-Star who never averaged as many as nine assists per
game in Dallas, Nash was light years away from being an MVP candidate or
Hall of Famer. In fact, his last season in Dallas was so ho-hum (14 points,
eight assists per game) that Mark Cuban didn't even try hard to re-sign him.
Enter D'Antoni and the rest is history, as Nash's scoring, assists and field
goal percentage all skyrocketed and blazed a trail all the way to
Springfield, Mass. And in case you're wondering, Nash is still running D'
Antoni's system for Alvin Gentry in Phoenix.
"If a point guard can't find success in D'Antoni's system, he's not a point
guard," one league executive said, "At least not an NBA point guard."
Lin's predecessors in New York this season, Toney Douglas and Iman Shumpert,
are fine talents, but neither is a real point guard.
So what is it about D'Antoni's system that's so great for point guards?
Golden State coach Mark Jackson, who played 17 seasons in the NBA and ranks
third all time in career assists, broke it down.
"He gives his point guard a lot of freedom," Jackson said. "The ball is in
the point guard's hands a lot. They run multiple pick-and-rolls and they
spread the floor. The spreading of the court makes it tough to help on the
point guard so he has more room to operate. That's key, so Mike's offense
works to the advantage of a playmaking point guard."
Lester Conner, another longtime point guard in the league who's now an
assistant coach with the Atlanta Hawks, agreed, but stressed that it's not
all about D'Antoni.
"Mike runs some nice offensive stuff but he's not making the right pass or
hitting the 18-foot jump shot," Conner said. "Lin's doing that. So it's a
combination of a good system and a player that knows how to play."
TNT analyst Steve Kerr, who served as president of the Suns while D'Antoni
coached in Phoenix, said even though D'Antoni's system is favorable for
point guards, it takes a special playmaker to pick up the system as quickly
as Lin has.
"When you think about all the backup point guards Phoenix tried behind Nash
all those years, nobody really jumped out in terms of mastering the system
or at least using the system to inflate their stats," Kerr said. "So I think
this kid is legit. He's got great feel for the game. It is a good system
for him but it's not like anybody can just jump in there and do what he's
doing. People are going to adapt and try to cut off penetration and make him
shoot, but he's a good player."
During this three-game stint in which he's outplayed John Wall, Devin Harris
and perennial All-Star Deron Williams, Lin has kept his dribble alive,
shown great ability to penetrate off the pick-and-roll, finished well at the
rim, and found his shooters on the perimeter when drawing multiple
defenders. In short, he's played like many legitimate point guards do.
Another factor in Lin's emergence has been D'Antoni's belief in him. Sources
say Lin was outplaying the hampered Baron Davis badly in practice and that
helped him earn D'Antoni's trust. And with Douglas and Shumpert struggling
mightily and Davis' sore back killing him, D'Antoni had no other options but
to give Lin the opportunity to play through his mistakes.
So while Lin's been great, he also had eight turnovers against Utah and gave
up 29 points to Washington's Wall.
"A player can only be as good as his coach thinks he is," one league
executive said. "There are a bunch of guys who are one coach liking them
away from being a decent player in this league. If your coach has you on a
short leash and pulls you out every time you make a mistake, you're going to
play like crap.
"Jeremy Lin is just like a whole bunch of guys," the executive continued. "I
've seen three guys in the D-League recently who are like him. He's no
better than he was two weeks ago. But he's been given an opportunity with a
coach who believes in him."
Jackson agreed. "Having a coach that believes in you is more than half the
battle," Jackson said. "I tell people all the time that I could've been a
guy that -- if I had been drafted by somebody else, who knows how long I
would've played in the league or how successful I would've been. But the
Knicks drafted me and Rick Pitino believed in me and gave me the ball and I
played 17 years. So I'm a guy that believes the confidence a coach has in a
player is a bigger part of an individual's success than most people think. I
've seen coaches kill players by taking a guy out when he makes mistakes."
Jackson said he's overjoyed for Lin and the success he's having. He had no
idea how good Lin could be because he never saw him play. Moments before the
Warriors' first practice, the team cut Lin to clear enough salary cap space
to offer DeAndre Jordan a four-year, $43 million contract that the Los
Angeles Clippers ultimately matched.
D'Antoni's seat was getting awfully hot before Lin led the Knicks to three
straight victories. The front office was being patient with D'Antoni and,
understanding how point-guard dependent his system was, wanted to give him a
chance to coach with a true playmaker.
The guy they were waiting for was Baron Davis. But it's turned out that the
guy they needed, at least so far, was Lin. And while D'Antoni's "discovery"
of him might have saved Lin's career, Lin's emergence could end up saving D'
Antoni's job.
Chris Broussard is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine.
Follow Chris Broussard on Twitter: @chris_broussard
p*********e
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感觉这里面那个某executive是个林黑啊,不停说lin这几场牛是因为各种外因
甚至连啥是个后卫在那个系统里面都能打出来,打不出来就不是nba控位这种酸话都说
出来了

clubs
the
how
the
declare

【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
: So what gives? How does Jeremy Lin go from getting cut by two mediocre clubs
: -- the Golden State Warriors and Houston Rockets, to starring on one of the
: league's biggest stages, all within a period of three months?
: To find out, we asked some of the league's talent evaluators and here's how
: they explained the 6-foot-3 Harvard grad's ascension from undrafted D-
: Leaguer to New York Knicks energizer. Lin, who was beaten out by Goran
: Dragic and Jonny Flynn for Houston's backup point guard spot in December,
: has averaged 25 points and eight assists while shooting 58 percent from the
: floor over the last three games.
: No one wanted to take credit away from Lin, but no one was ready to declare

l*****9
发帖数: 9501
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好文
e********3
发帖数: 18578
4
还是Steve Kerr说的好,有无数在D Anotoni手下打球的控卫想复制纳什的成功,但是
没有一个人成功的,所以林书豪本身的能力也是很重要的一个因素,但是我同意教练对
于林书豪的成功是很关键的。

【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 感觉这里面那个某executive是个林黑啊,不停说lin这几场牛是因为各种外因
: 甚至连啥是个后卫在那个系统里面都能打出来,打不出来就不是nba控位这种酸话都说
: 出来了
:
: clubs
: the
: how
: the
: declare

g*g
发帖数: 6908
5
除了某些酸溜溜的话,其它基本靠谱

clubs
the
how
the
declare

【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
: So what gives? How does Jeremy Lin go from getting cut by two mediocre clubs
: -- the Golden State Warriors and Houston Rockets, to starring on one of the
: league's biggest stages, all within a period of three months?
: To find out, we asked some of the league's talent evaluators and here's how
: they explained the 6-foot-3 Harvard grad's ascension from undrafted D-
: Leaguer to New York Knicks energizer. Lin, who was beaten out by Goran
: Dragic and Jonny Flynn for Houston's backup point guard spot in December,
: has averaged 25 points and eight assists while shooting 58 percent from the
: floor over the last three games.
: No one wanted to take credit away from Lin, but no one was ready to declare

p*********e
发帖数: 32207
6
是的,我的态度是,是必要条件,但绝不是充分条件。

【在 e********3 的大作中提到】
: 还是Steve Kerr说的好,有无数在D Anotoni手下打球的控卫想复制纳什的成功,但是
: 没有一个人成功的,所以林书豪本身的能力也是很重要的一个因素,但是我同意教练对
: 于林书豪的成功是很关键的。

S**C
发帖数: 2964
7
I think his comment is fair. If a PG cannot be successsful in Mike's system,
he is not a good NBA PG, he did not say any PG can be successful in Mike's
system.
I absolutely agree coach's trust is critical, the good thing is Mike seems
trust Lin, or he have no choice, and Mike has a tendency to love a player
and over use him. For now it is a good thing for Lin.

【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 感觉这里面那个某executive是个林黑啊,不停说lin这几场牛是因为各种外因
: 甚至连啥是个后卫在那个系统里面都能打出来,打不出来就不是nba控位这种酸话都说
: 出来了
:
: clubs
: the
: how
: the
: declare

p*********e
发帖数: 32207
8
"
"If a point guard can't find success in D'Antoni's system, he's not a point
guard," one league executive said, "At least not an NBA point guard."
"
there is no such word as "good" in the original comment.

system,
s

【在 S**C 的大作中提到】
: I think his comment is fair. If a PG cannot be successsful in Mike's system,
: he is not a good NBA PG, he did not say any PG can be successful in Mike's
: system.
: I absolutely agree coach's trust is critical, the good thing is Mike seems
: trust Lin, or he have no choice, and Mike has a tendency to love a player
: and over use him. For now it is a good thing for Lin.

S**C
发帖数: 2964
9
if any pg cannot be successful in Mike's system, he should not play pg in
NBA. Fair for me.

【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: "
: "If a point guard can't find success in D'Antoni's system, he's not a point
: guard," one league executive said, "At least not an NBA point guard."
: "
: there is no such word as "good" in the original comment.
:
: system,
: s

g*g
发帖数: 6908
10
数数他用过的pg吧,除了nash外,
主力中马布里该算个NBA point guard, 当年也得算good了
felton也还行,算不上good,得算NBA pg

point

【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: "
: "If a point guard can't find success in D'Antoni's system, he's not a point
: guard," one league executive said, "At least not an NBA point guard."
: "
: there is no such word as "good" in the original comment.
:
: system,
: s

p*********e
发帖数: 32207
11
how about derek fisher, jamaar nelson, to list a few?

【在 S**C 的大作中提到】
: if any pg cannot be successful in Mike's system, he should not play pg in
: NBA. Fair for me.

e********3
发帖数: 18578
12
Enter Russell Westbrooks, you can be a freaking athletic guard, but that
doesn't guarantee you to be a natural point guard to thrive in D' Antoni's
system. I don't think Russell can fit in well in Antoni's system.

【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: how about derek fisher, jamaar nelson, to list a few?
g*****g
发帖数: 34805
13
这个说过了,Raymond Felton 17/9的数据,比巅峰纳什
也差得不多了。纳什最牛不过18/11

【在 e********3 的大作中提到】
: 还是Steve Kerr说的好,有无数在D Anotoni手下打球的控卫想复制纳什的成功,但是
: 没有一个人成功的,所以林书豪本身的能力也是很重要的一个因素,但是我同意教练对
: 于林书豪的成功是很关键的。

g*****g
发帖数: 34805
14
I don't think Mike really trusts Lin, even though he outplayed
BD easily in practice. NYK's injury gave Lin a chance to play
backup, not in garbage mintues. And he did so well he got extended
minutes and ended up with stellar stats that game, you have to feed
off that next game and he exceled again. Mike was lucky.

system,
s

【在 S**C 的大作中提到】
: I think his comment is fair. If a PG cannot be successsful in Mike's system,
: he is not a good NBA PG, he did not say any PG can be successful in Mike's
: system.
: I absolutely agree coach's trust is critical, the good thing is Mike seems
: trust Lin, or he have no choice, and Mike has a tendency to love a player
: and over use him. For now it is a good thing for Lin.

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