M**Q
发帖数: 477 | 1 NBA commissioner David Stern blocked Chris Paul's trade to the Lakers after
other team owners complained. |
y*******5
发帖数: 5023 | 2 This is ridiculous! Who complained? Miami Heat?
after
【在 M**Q 的大作中提到】
: NBA commissioner David Stern blocked Chris Paul's trade to the Lakers after
: other team owners complained.
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z********i
发帖数: 3192 | |
a****n
发帖数: 114 | |
y*******5
发帖数: 5023 | 5 No it is not because of that.
Just listened to something on ESPN, it was Lakers who changed mind. They
now want more than just Chris Paul.
Probably after the trade, Lakers won't have enough to get Howard.
I think Lakers will only do this if they know they are gonna get Howard
later.
after
【在 M**Q 的大作中提到】
: NBA commissioner David Stern blocked Chris Paul's trade to the Lakers after
: other team owners complained.
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m******t
发帖数: 1694 | 6 sounds like orlando wants byum + odom, lol
after
【在 M**Q 的大作中提到】
: NBA commissioner David Stern blocked Chris Paul's trade to the Lakers after
: other team owners complained.
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x*******1
发帖数: 28835 | |
A****1
发帖数: 247 | 8 I thought they know they could get howard if they have got CP3..
【在 y*******5 的大作中提到】
: No it is not because of that.
: Just listened to something on ESPN, it was Lakers who changed mind. They
: now want more than just Chris Paul.
: Probably after the trade, Lakers won't have enough to get Howard.
: I think Lakers will only do this if they know they are gonna get Howard
: later.
:
: after
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d**********t
发帖数: 20415 | 9 这个听起来像那么回事，两个大个换个CP3，就算后续搞来魔兽，这个球队也废了，比
去年的热都差远了...
【在 y*******5 的大作中提到】
: No it is not because of that.
: Just listened to something on ESPN, it was Lakers who changed mind. They
: now want more than just Chris Paul.
: Probably after the trade, Lakers won't have enough to get Howard.
: I think Lakers will only do this if they know they are gonna get Howard
: later.
:
: after
|
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 10 Stern figured Lakers would win the next 3 with this trade, gotta
protect his golden boy in south beach.
after
【在 M**Q 的大作中提到】
: NBA commissioner David Stern blocked Chris Paul's trade to the Lakers after
: other team owners complained.
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s*******u
发帖数: 1855 | 11 this is ridiculous.
Although I am not excited about the trade, and feel lakers give up too much,
but still, that is ridiculous, unprecedented.
If the owners or stern does not like this kind of trade, put it in rules, in
CBA. Do not compromise, do not give up. Add the Camelo Anthony Rule. They
did not. And the CBA allows that. Now they do things like that. That is a
shame. 美国到底是人治还是法制? |
s*******u
发帖数: 1855 | 12 if stern does not like big market team getting stars, why approve the lbj
sign up? There are numerous manipulations there. DW and Bosh already got MAX
. With lbj's decision, with a lot of undertable talks, they gave up MAX. And
they hired lbj's friends as team staff. All are manipulations breaking laws
. Why approve that and disapprove this all-following-law, 3 team win-win-win
trade?
美国还是不是英美法系? 这个case一旦set, 是不是任何trade, stern都可以凭借个人
好恶来否定? |
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 13 Hornets are owned by the league, that's why Stern can do this.
But being the commissioner and ower at the same time is like
doing player and judge at the same time.
Stern has his personal agenda. He's not going to let his golden
boy in south beach down. And that Kobe could snap more rings than
MJ is gonna be a nightmare.
MAX
And
laws
win
【在 s*******u 的大作中提到】
: if stern does not like big market team getting stars, why approve the lbj
: sign up? There are numerous manipulations there. DW and Bosh already got MAX
: . With lbj's decision, with a lot of undertable talks, they gave up MAX. And
: they hired lbj's friends as team staff. All are manipulations breaking laws
: . Why approve that and disapprove this all-following-law, 3 team win-win-win
: trade?
: 美国还是不是英美法系? 这个case一旦set, 是不是任何trade, stern都可以凭借个人
: 好恶来否定?
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y*******5
发帖数: 5023 | 14 Sources: teams in blocked Paul trade appealing!
Haha its getting more and more interesting!
after
【在 M**Q 的大作中提到】
: NBA commissioner David Stern blocked Chris Paul's trade to the Lakers after
: other team owners complained.
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n****e
发帖数: 4990 | 15 这次我跟湖饭们立场一致。
可怜我们cp3完全是活在后娘手里，球队想补强，别的球队不让（连当初兰德里来都有
人说3道4），想转走联盟也不让。 cp3都26的人了，把青春浪费在这里太TMD的不值了
。 现在不让转，他只能再熬一年等完全自由身再走，到时候估计就去NY了。黄蜂更是
什么都捞不到，还不如趁早解散。 |
l*******g
发帖数: 28502 | |
y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 17 搞来DH
kb会甘心当小弟？
【在 y*******5 的大作中提到】
: No it is not because of that.
: Just listened to something on ESPN, it was Lakers who changed mind. They
: now want more than just Chris Paul.
: Probably after the trade, Lakers won't have enough to get Howard.
: I think Lakers will only do this if they know they are gonna get Howard
: later.
:
: after
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t**********r
发帖数: 2019 | 18 It is purely stupid to think Lakers back off the deal. Why would they do
that? Just to let Gasol and Odom know we don't want your service anymore and
make them upset?
David Stern called off the deal because Dan Gilbert and Marc Cuban don't
like it.
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 你们说的不一样，听谁的？
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 19 I can understand Marc Cuban is upset, but why Dan Gilbert? Why does he give
a $hit? Cavs will never be a contender within 5 years or forever.
and
【在 t**********r 的大作中提到】
: It is purely stupid to think Lakers back off the deal. Why would they do
: that? Just to let Gasol and Odom know we don't want your service anymore and
: make them upset?
: David Stern called off the deal because Dan Gilbert and Marc Cuban don't
: like it.
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 20 小市场老板的忧虑
give
【在 e********3 的大作中提到】
: I can understand Marc Cuban is upset, but why Dan Gilbert? Why does he give
: a $hit? Cavs will never be a contender within 5 years or forever.
:
: and
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 21 en, makes sense, at least he doesn't want to encourage such trend.
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 小市场老板的忧虑
:
: give
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t**********r
发帖数: 2019 | 22 Well, read Dan Gilbert's leaked out email to Stern and try to understand
this mania. Gilbert just did a great favor for Lebron, as now people would
think 'who would want to work under such a piece of crap?'
give
【在 e********3 的大作中提到】
: I can understand Marc Cuban is upset, but why Dan Gilbert? Why does he give
: a $hit? Cavs will never be a contender within 5 years or forever.
:
: and
|
e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 23 I didn't see anything wrong in his email, if you were in his position, would
you be more angry? I would definitely be outrageous. I like the last line:
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington
Generals?"
【在 t**********r 的大作中提到】
: Well, read Dan Gilbert's leaked out email to Stern and try to understand
: this mania. Gilbert just did a great favor for Lebron, as now people would
: think 'who would want to work under such a piece of crap?'
:
: give
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t**********r
发帖数: 2019 | 24 What trend? big market teams are rick and buy star players? That is not a
trend, that is a FACT. If the NBA doesn't like that, man up and change the
rules. If you watch NBA or professional sports long enough, you know without
'revenue sharing' (like the NFL) big market teams always have advantage
attracting star players. Vetoing a legitmate trade with bogus and
unjutifiable reason just shows how stupid they are.
【在 e********3 的大作中提到】
: en, makes sense, at least he doesn't want to encourage such trend.
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 25 这你就搞错了，mlb是revenue sharing，nfl是硬工资帽
the
without
【在 t**********r 的大作中提到】
: What trend? big market teams are rick and buy star players? That is not a
: trend, that is a FACT. If the NBA doesn't like that, man up and change the
: rules. If you watch NBA or professional sports long enough, you know without
: 'revenue sharing' (like the NFL) big market teams always have advantage
: attracting star players. Vetoing a legitmate trade with bogus and
: unjutifiable reason just shows how stupid they are.
|
l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 26 nfl确实是revenue sharing
mlb不清楚
a
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 这你就搞错了，mlb是revenue sharing，nfl是硬工资帽
:
: the
: without
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 27 The owners are pushing for hard salary cap for sure, they don't get it their
way doesn't mean they don't want it now.
The most important thing for a pro sports team's fans is "HOPE", only one
team can win each year, and other 29 teams can sell hope to rake in fans' $$
$.
It is hurting the league in long run if you only have 4 or 5 super teams and
all other 25 teams in eternal hell.
Hornets is owned by the 29 owners, if they don't like it, they can veto it,
that is the FACT, if you don't like that, LA owner or fans can buy hornets
from NBA as they wish.
the
without
【在 t**********r 的大作中提到】
: What trend? big market teams are rick and buy star players? That is not a
: trend, that is a FACT. If the NBA doesn't like that, man up and change the
: rules. If you watch NBA or professional sports long enough, you know without
: 'revenue sharing' (like the NFL) big market teams always have advantage
: attracting star players. Vetoing a legitmate trade with bogus and
: unjutifiable reason just shows how stupid they are.
|
t**********r
发帖数: 2019 | 28 What is the base for your rage then? Did they violate any NBA rules? They
did a legitmate, fair and reasonable trade which could benefit all three
teams. Well, maybe not all lakers fan would agree coz they gave up two bigs.
But for NO, the only option they have now is take even lesser value in
another trade, or let Paul walk for nothing. So much for protecting small
market's interest, huh?
would
【在 e********3 的大作中提到】
: I didn't see anything wrong in his email, if you were in his position, would
: you be more angry? I would definitely be outrageous. I like the last line:
: "When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington
: Generals?"
|
e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 29 What is the base for your rage then? 29 owners own the Hornets, they can do
whatever they like, and obviously, they like to block the deal, period.
If CP3 walks as free agent, he will get less money and obviously, the
players only care about $$$, fans or loyalty are just an after thought.
bigs.
【在 t**********r 的大作中提到】
: What is the base for your rage then? Did they violate any NBA rules? They
: did a legitmate, fair and reasonable trade which could benefit all three
: teams. Well, maybe not all lakers fan would agree coz they gave up two bigs.
: But for NO, the only option they have now is take even lesser value in
: another trade, or let Paul walk for nothing. So much for protecting small
: market's interest, huh?
:
: would
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y*******5
发帖数: 5023 | 30 Agreed.
This veto is stupid. Bill Simmons even called it "waterloo of NBA".
the
without
【在 t**********r 的大作中提到】
: What trend? big market teams are rick and buy star players? That is not a
: trend, that is a FACT. If the NBA doesn't like that, man up and change the
: rules. If you watch NBA or professional sports long enough, you know without
: 'revenue sharing' (like the NFL) big market teams always have advantage
: attracting star players. Vetoing a legitmate trade with bogus and
: unjutifiable reason just shows how stupid they are.
|
|
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t**********r
发帖数: 2019 | 31 NFL is revenue sharing, and that is the foundamental for small market-team
to be competitive. Otherwise it will be like the NBA.
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 这你就搞错了，mlb是revenue sharing，nfl是硬工资帽
:
: the
: without
|
N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 32 查了一下，都有
重点是nfl还有硬帽，这样发展才比较均衡
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: nfl确实是revenue sharing
: mlb不清楚
:
: a
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 33 嗯，nfl也有
但是发展得比较均衡，还是因为有硬帽
【在 t**********r 的大作中提到】
: NFL is revenue sharing, and that is the foundamental for small market-team
: to be competitive. Otherwise it will be like the NBA.
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 34 Hard salary cap is the key, NFL is more balanced than MLB because MLB can
spend whatever you like, and baseball is not like basketball, where less
star-budded teams still have chance to win, look at Yankees and RSox this
year.
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 查了一下，都有
: 重点是nfl还有硬帽，这样发展才比较均衡
|
t**********r
发帖数: 2019 | 35 Oh, all of those 29 owners happen to have their own team, and alway act for
the benefit of their own team. That is a stupid setup in the first place. If
you understand the concept of 'conflict of interest', you know it is
something bound to happen. Actually, to avoid conflict of interest the NBA
announced the NO GM Dell Demps has all the power to negotiate and make a
deal. but when a legitmate trade was done, David Stern came back and vetoed
it. Why is that stupid? because you dont make such a 'first case' without
thinking about the consequences. Let me ask you, what now? Can NO still deal
Chris Paul? to where? Is Minnesota or Milwaukee OK? If yes then why not LA,
NY or Boston?
do
【在 e********3 的大作中提到】
: What is the base for your rage then? 29 owners own the Hornets, they can do
: whatever they like, and obviously, they like to block the deal, period.
: If CP3 walks as free agent, he will get less money and obviously, the
: players only care about $$$, fans or loyalty are just an after thought.
:
: bigs.
|
t**********r
发帖数: 2019 | 36 Read what David Stern said, please. 'It's based on basketball reasons, not
influenced by other team owners'. That's political, diplomatic, and
laughable. Do you believe that? They don't even have the gut to put the
reason you cited, 'other owners don't like the trade', on the table.
do
【在 e********3 的大作中提到】
: What is the base for your rage then? 29 owners own the Hornets, they can do
: whatever they like, and obviously, they like to block the deal, period.
: If CP3 walks as free agent, he will get less money and obviously, the
: players only care about $$$, fans or loyalty are just an after thought.
:
: bigs.
|
t**********r
发帖数: 2019 | 37 他的email有什么问题？请读
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7336526/nba-critique-dan-gilb
ESPN的专栏写手分析的很好。
Dan Gilbert就是个彻头彻尾的傻x.
would
【在 e********3 的大作中提到】
: I didn't see anything wrong in his email, if you were in his position, would
: you be more angry? I would definitely be outrageous. I like the last line:
: "When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington
: Generals?"
|
s******k
发帖数: 3716 | 38 球队少才能均衡。NFL的球队除了绿湾最小的城市也是克利夫兰，
而且群众基础很好。NBA凭空造了很多球队，当然差距大了。
要是NBA只有八支队，纽约2，洛杉矶1，芝加哥1，波士顿1，
迈阿密1，达拉斯1，三番1，怎么也不会贫富悬殊啊。
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，nfl也有
: 但是发展得比较均衡，还是因为有硬帽
|
s***o
发帖数: 6934 | 39 据说这个trade让我糊省下很多salary cap，不用再交奢侈税。这个奢侈税貌似是可以
让不用交的球队share的
give
【在 e********3 的大作中提到】
: I can understand Marc Cuban is upset, but why Dan Gilbert? Why does he give
: a $hit? Cavs will never be a contender within 5 years or forever.
:
: and
|
t**********r
发帖数: 2019 | 40 你们要是看看我贴得espn那片评论，就能看出他那个email明显自相矛盾，正反扇巴掌
。先说湖人能省下奢侈税，那笔钱本来其他小球队可以均摊，那就是说他希望湖人多花
钱，不能让他们省，交得税越多他们越高兴。后面又说湖人会通过这个交易上的差额作
为trade exception继续补强球队，要是那样湖人不是把省下来的钱又花出去了，他们
不是又有奢侈税可以分了么，他应该高兴啊。
话说回来，别人做交易当然要有所得啊，谁不想省钱，谁不想补强自己的球队？半点好
处没有的事谁会费劲巴里的去搞啊，以为别人都像他一样脑残啊。问题的关键是NO有没
有受益？Houston有没有受益？别人三方都受益的事，他觉得对cavs不利就不爽了，这
就叫conflict of interest.
【在 s***o 的大作中提到】
: 据说这个trade让我糊省下很多salary cap，不用再交奢侈税。这个奢侈税貌似是可以
: 让不用交的球队share的
:
: give
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D***e
发帖数: 48486 | 41 完全人情的交易，历史也有吧
比如如花
【在 t**********r 的大作中提到】
: 你们要是看看我贴得espn那片评论，就能看出他那个email明显自相矛盾，正反扇巴掌
: 。先说湖人能省下奢侈税，那笔钱本来其他小球队可以均摊，那就是说他希望湖人多花
: 钱，不能让他们省，交得税越多他们越高兴。后面又说湖人会通过这个交易上的差额作
: 为trade exception继续补强球队，要是那样湖人不是把省下来的钱又花出去了，他们
: 不是又有奢侈税可以分了么，他应该高兴啊。
: 话说回来，别人做交易当然要有所得啊，谁不想省钱，谁不想补强自己的球队？半点好
: 处没有的事谁会费劲巴里的去搞啊，以为别人都像他一样脑残啊。问题的关键是NO有没
: 有受益？Houston有没有受益？别人三方都受益的事，他觉得对cavs不利就不爽了，这
: 就叫conflict of interest.
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s***o
发帖数: 6934 | 42 conflict of interest是肯定的，本身联盟接管黄蜂就是很傻逼的事情
【在 t**********r 的大作中提到】
: 你们要是看看我贴得espn那片评论，就能看出他那个email明显自相矛盾，正反扇巴掌
: 。先说湖人能省下奢侈税，那笔钱本来其他小球队可以均摊，那就是说他希望湖人多花
: 钱，不能让他们省，交得税越多他们越高兴。后面又说湖人会通过这个交易上的差额作
: 为trade exception继续补强球队，要是那样湖人不是把省下来的钱又花出去了，他们
: 不是又有奢侈税可以分了么，他应该高兴啊。
: 话说回来，别人做交易当然要有所得啊，谁不想省钱，谁不想补强自己的球队？半点好
: 处没有的事谁会费劲巴里的去搞啊，以为别人都像他一样脑残啊。问题的关键是NO有没
: 有受益？Houston有没有受益？别人三方都受益的事，他觉得对cavs不利就不爽了，这
: 就叫conflict of interest.
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J*******s
发帖数: 2708 | 43 一会再来一个break breaking breaking news! Deal! |
D***e
发帖数: 48486 | 44 没人接，也没辙吧
棒球的国民也是这样的吧
【在 s***o 的大作中提到】
: conflict of interest是肯定的，本身联盟接管黄蜂就是很傻逼的事情
|
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 45 有人接，不过据说要把球队搬到san jose，stern不肯。
【在 D***e 的大作中提到】
: 没人接，也没辙吧
: 棒球的国民也是这样的吧
|
D***e
发帖数: 48486 | 46 为啥呢？
本来也是从夏洛特搬来的
而且爵士以前也从NO搬走了
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 有人接，不过据说要把球队搬到san jose，stern不肯。
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l*******g
发帖数: 28502 | 47 加州已经4个队了
【在 D***e 的大作中提到】
: 为啥呢？
: 本来也是从夏洛特搬来的
: 而且爵士以前也从NO搬走了
|
y*******5
发帖数: 5023 | 48 这个非常可能。stern迫于压力已经不那么强硬了，只是说目前的交易如果不改肯定不
行，言外之意改一改就行了，就是想要个台阶下。另外工会也发话了，如果周一之前小
炮还没有被交易就要告联盟了，联盟可不想在新赛季前出这事儿。
【在 J*******s 的大作中提到】
: 一会再来一个break breaking breaking news! Deal!
|
y*******5
发帖数: 5023 | 49 Adjustments Made
Stein/Broussard: Three-Team Trade Involving Chris Paul Resubmitted For
League Approval
【在 y*******5 的大作中提到】
: 这个非常可能。stern迫于压力已经不那么强硬了，只是说目前的交易如果不改肯定不
: 行，言外之意改一改就行了，就是想要个台阶下。另外工会也发话了，如果周一之前小
: 炮还没有被交易就要告联盟了，联盟可不想在新赛季前出这事儿。
|
n*****m
发帖数: 9872 | 50 这位咋这么激动
【在 t**********r 的大作中提到】
: 你们要是看看我贴得espn那片评论，就能看出他那个email明显自相矛盾，正反扇巴掌
: 。先说湖人能省下奢侈税，那笔钱本来其他小球队可以均摊，那就是说他希望湖人多花
: 钱，不能让他们省，交得税越多他们越高兴。后面又说湖人会通过这个交易上的差额作
: 为trade exception继续补强球队，要是那样湖人不是把省下来的钱又花出去了，他们
: 不是又有奢侈税可以分了么，他应该高兴啊。
: 话说回来，别人做交易当然要有所得啊，谁不想省钱，谁不想补强自己的球队？半点好
: 处没有的事谁会费劲巴里的去搞啊，以为别人都像他一样脑残啊。问题的关键是NO有没
: 有受益？Houston有没有受益？别人三方都受益的事，他觉得对cavs不利就不爽了，这
: 就叫conflict of interest.
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d**********t
发帖数: 20415 | 51 不少湖饭都这样，你没看见昨天本版两大版宠在那儿咆哮么~
【在 n*****m 的大作中提到】
: 这位咋这么激动
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n*****m
发帖数: 9872 | 52 没看见啊，也是这个事么？
【在 d**********t 的大作中提到】
: 不少湖饭都这样，你没看见昨天本版两大版宠在那儿咆哮么~
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t**********r
发帖数: 2019 | 53 恩，是有点激动。这个事整个联盟，媒体都激动了。 Bill Simmons 算是大湖黑了吧，
他写的那片文章措辞非常强烈阿，把David Stern说的非常不堪。Chris Brussard直接
在电视上说 it sickens me.
【在 n*****m 的大作中提到】
: 这位咋这么激动
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