L****n
发帖数: 173 | |
p****t
发帖数: 11416 | 2 nod，哪怕今后拿再多冠军，每个冠军后面都要加括号注释：“（大腿）”
而且我怀疑Miami这阵容不靠裁判能不能得冠军
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: 只是个没种抱大腿的小垃圾
:
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x*******1
发帖数: 28835 | 3 before introducing gasol, what did kobe do and say? lol.
bynum, a shit compared with kidd. who goes to bulls to give team pressure? |
h****z
发帖数: 2009 | 4 你怎么哭了 ...
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: 只是个没种抱大腿的小垃圾
:
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y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 5 你说的是kobe
kobe现在哪个冠军后便不需要加个括号？
前三个没有争议
后边两个球队工资nba第一，你说这是啥信号？没gasol之前还不是联机侯赛都进不了？
kobe一个人连狼王都比不上
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: nod，哪怕今后拿再多冠军，每个冠军后面都要加括号注释：“（大腿）”
: 而且我怀疑Miami这阵容不靠裁判能不能得冠军
|
N*****r
发帖数: 2108 | 6 Kobe的情况完全不同吧，当时kobe闹着要走是球队连续几年没有任何补强。当时哪有几
个湖人球迷骂娘的？kobe连老板带经理都骂了，也没见湖人搞什么公开信。
LBJ是球队管理层一直在努力补强球队，而且据说所有交易全要这厮点头（估计这是骑
士老板怨气大的主要原因吧，发那个信明显不是一时冲动）
丫自己霸着球权，数据一直看涨，季后赛成绩越来越差，从总决赛到东区决赛，到现在
东区决赛都进不了。（除了08年对凯子之外，这两年对手真的不强）今年季后赛又
choke了一把。
【在 x*******1 的大作中提到】
: before introducing gasol, what did kobe do and say? lol.
: bynum, a shit compared with kidd. who goes to bulls to give team pressure?
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g****u
发帖数: 1422 | 7 那是自然，跟强奸犯有啥好比的
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: 只是个没种抱大腿的小垃圾
:
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 8 MJ got swept every year before Pipen came. Pipen was stupid enough to sign a
7 year long contract, which benefited MJ and the Bulls.
【在 y***l 的大作中提到】
: 你说的是kobe
: kobe现在哪个冠军后便不需要加个括号？
: 前三个没有争议
: 后边两个球队工资nba第一，你说这是啥信号？没gasol之前还不是联机侯赛都进不了？
: kobe一个人连狼王都比不上
|
D***e
发帖数: 48486 | 9 怎么老说皮蓬内合同啊
内当时都是天价合同了，毕竟时间长，有保障
a
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: MJ got swept every year before Pipen came. Pipen was stupid enough to sign a
: 7 year long contract, which benefited MJ and the Bulls.
|
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 10 Fact is, it benefited Bulls in the later years.
【在 D***e 的大作中提到】
: 怎么老说皮蓬内合同啊
: 内当时都是天价合同了，毕竟时间长，有保障
:
: a
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l******e
发帖数: 12192 | 11 皮二来之前，麻将也就是个新生呀
a
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: MJ got swept every year before Pipen came. Pipen was stupid enough to sign a
: 7 year long contract, which benefited MJ and the Bulls.
|
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 12 Yes, you are right....
【在 l******e 的大作中提到】
: 皮二来之前，麻将也就是个新生呀
:
: a
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 13 皮蓬新秀打替补那个赛季，乔丹就已经是mvp了
【在 l******e 的大作中提到】
: 皮二来之前，麻将也就是个新生呀
:
: a
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l******e
发帖数: 12192 | 14 那还是队伍不成熟么
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 皮蓬新秀打替补那个赛季，乔丹就已经是mvp了
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 15 也就是被波士顿扫了，第一年打雄鹿还是赢了一场的
a
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: MJ got swept every year before Pipen came. Pipen was stupid enough to sign a
: 7 year long contract, which benefited MJ and the Bulls.
|
a****0
发帖数: 209 | 16 totally different situation, Lakers did all they could do to make Kobe upset
and disappointed. (Caron's leave, not signing either Garnett or Kidd ...)
Even if Kobe left then heading to CHI, lakers' fans will not act like he is
a traitor, but that is what (even all?) CAV's fans thinking about LBJ
now ...
【在 x*******1 的大作中提到】
: before introducing gasol, what did kobe do and say? lol.
: bynum, a shit compared with kidd. who goes to bulls to give team pressure?
|
N*****r
发帖数: 2108 | 17 想起来了lbj三年都没进季后赛吧？想被横扫都没机会。。
【在 l******e 的大作中提到】
: 皮二来之前，麻将也就是个新生呀
:
: a
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b*******g
发帖数: 603 | 18 LOL，人骑士老板是肯花钱，谁让老悲剧不争气呢。满嘴跑火车你也不是第一次了。
2008-2009
Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. New York Knicks $96,643,646
2. Dallas Mavericks $94,830,398
3. Cleveland Cavaliers $90,833,539
4. Portland Trailblazers $79,887,114
5. Boston Celtics $79,188,973
6. Los Angeles Lakers $78,245,793
【在 y***l 的大作中提到】
: 你说的是kobe
: kobe现在哪个冠军后便不需要加个括号？
: 前三个没有争议
: 后边两个球队工资nba第一，你说这是啥信号？没gasol之前还不是联机侯赛都进不了？
: kobe一个人连狼王都比不上
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 19 Losing all nine first-round playoff games in three straight years is a very
very very small probability incidence. Upon winning one of them the Bulls
went to the tenth and lost again.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 也就是被波士顿扫了，第一年打雄鹿还是赢了一场的
:
: a
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l******e
发帖数: 12192 | 20 嘎嫂发来贺电
very
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Losing all nine first-round playoff games in three straight years is a very
: very very small probability incidence. Upon winning one of them the Bulls
: went to the tenth and lost again.
|
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T***c
发帖数: 17256 | 21 人不在乎，就是为了trash 乔老爷
【在 D***e 的大作中提到】
: 怎么老说皮蓬内合同啊
: 内当时都是天价合同了，毕竟时间长，有保障
:
: a
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 22 To not give MJ too much is to respect him. So far He does not need any kind
of favor to be the GOAT.
【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: 人不在乎，就是为了trash 乔老爷
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i***5
发帖数: 457 | 23 I know nyk/mav/cav had highest payroll, but I didn't know portland can make
that list. who took 30M paycheck there?
【在 b*******g 的大作中提到】
: LOL，人骑士老板是肯花钱，谁让老悲剧不争气呢。满嘴跑火车你也不是第一次了。
: 2008-2009
: Team Payrolls
: Team Payroll
: 1. New York Knicks $96,643,646
: 2. Dallas Mavericks $94,830,398
: 3. Cleveland Cavaliers $90,833,539
: 4. Portland Trailblazers $79,887,114
: 5. Boston Celtics $79,188,973
: 6. Los Angeles Lakers $78,245,793
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 24 我说某些人能别提到kobe就扯mj，提到mj就扯kobe么？你现在又比不过，一个档次的不
是，你要扯，等kobe能并驾齐驱了再比ok？
成天就是kobe怎么样，马上就出来mj怎么样。烦不烦阿 |
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 25 MJ is no Gasol. He made "Rookie of the year", 1 scoring title, 3 All-Star
appearances and other glories in these three years before Scottie came.
【在 l******e 的大作中提到】
: 嘎嫂发来贺电
:
: very
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i***5
发帖数: 457 | 26 kobe is not at the same level, but is the closest to MJ
if you feel like talking lbj and mj you go ahead then
we think it's more relevant to talk kobe and mj and you can't stop
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
: 我说某些人能别提到kobe就扯mj，提到mj就扯kobe么？你现在又比不过，一个档次的不
: 是，你要扯，等kobe能并驾齐驱了再比ok？
: 成天就是kobe怎么样，马上就出来mj怎么样。烦不烦阿
|
c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 27
这篇帖子标题是什么？谁先扯MJ的？
对了，kobe历史地位上升到历史第二了？谁评的？
kobe至少目前，荣誉，数据，技术，身体，商业价值，人民群众地位，样样不如乔老爷
，你比哪门子比阿？
你要发个贴kobe vs mj，随便你比。这里都在说lbj vs kobe，扯mj毛阿
【在 i***5 的大作中提到】
: kobe is not at the same level, but is the closest to MJ
: if you feel like talking lbj and mj you go ahead then
: we think it's more relevant to talk kobe and mj and you can't stop
|
T***c
发帖数: 17256 | 28 乔老爷算个毛，圣科比得过81
kind
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: To not give MJ too much is to respect him. So far He does not need any kind
: of favor to be the GOAT.
|
l******e
发帖数: 12192 | 29 说这些干嘛？
在讨论playoff 0-12的可能性呢
一个新秀在一个烂队，3年就夺冠，你还真以为是神仙呀
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: MJ is no Gasol. He made "Rookie of the year", 1 scoring title, 3 All-Star
: appearances and other glories in these three years before Scottie came.
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i***5
发帖数: 457 | 30 again, what we want to talk about you can't stop. who do you think you are
to tell others shut up? your narcissim is like lbj
kobe hasn't caught up with mj and won't catch up in the future, you don't
need to repeat that again and again
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 这篇帖子标题是什么？谁先扯MJ的？
: 对了，kobe历史地位上升到历史第二了？谁评的？
: kobe至少目前，荣誉，数据，技术，身体，商业价值，人民群众地位，样样不如乔老爷
: ，你比哪门子比阿？
: 你要发个贴kobe vs mj，随便你比。这里都在说lbj vs kobe，扯mj毛阿
|
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s***o
发帖数: 6934 | 31 81分算毛，窒息帝会撒粉
【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: 乔老爷算个毛，圣科比得过81
:
: kind
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T***c
发帖数: 17256 | 32 你的意思是，乔老爷场上不如圣科比，圣科比场下不如窒息帝？
【在 s***o 的大作中提到】
: 81分算毛，窒息帝会撒粉
|
s***o
发帖数: 6934 | 33 我的意思是窒息帝场下不如圣科比，圣科比场上不如乔老爷
【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: 你的意思是，乔老爷场上不如圣科比，圣科比场下不如窒息帝？
|
p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 34 一辈子太长了，kobe当初要不是shaq送他三个ring的话能有现在这么扯吗？
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: 只是个没种抱大腿的小垃圾
:
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 35
我知道，圣kobe得过８１分
８１分阿！太牛屄了！
【在 i***5 的大作中提到】
: again, what we want to talk about you can't stop. who do you think you are
: to tell others shut up? your narcissim is like lbj
: kobe hasn't caught up with mj and won't catch up in the future, you don't
: need to repeat that again and again
|
i***5
发帖数: 457 | 36 you should cry harder
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 我知道，圣kobe得过８１分
: ８１分阿！太牛屄了！
|
j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 37 kobe哭着喊着要大腿，呵呵，
总算弄来了个大嫂啊
【在 N*****r 的大作中提到】
: Kobe的情况完全不同吧，当时kobe闹着要走是球队连续几年没有任何补强。当时哪有几
: 个湖人球迷骂娘的？kobe连老板带经理都骂了，也没见湖人搞什么公开信。
: LBJ是球队管理层一直在努力补强球队，而且据说所有交易全要这厮点头（估计这是骑
: 士老板怨气大的主要原因吧，发那个信明显不是一时冲动）
: 丫自己霸着球权，数据一直看涨，季后赛成绩越来越差，从总决赛到东区决赛，到现在
: 东区决赛都进不了。（除了08年对凯子之外，这两年对手真的不强）今年季后赛又
: choke了一把。
|
j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 38 kobe怎么着也不能跟lbj比吧，
只能靠大腿才能干点事的强奸犯？ |
c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 39
what I want to talk about you can't stop. who do you think you are?
【在 i***5 的大作中提到】
: you should cry harder
|
c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 40
圣kobe得过８１分
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: kobe怎么着也不能跟lbj比吧，
: 只能靠大腿才能干点事的强奸犯？
|
|
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j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 41 这么独？
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 圣kobe得过８１分
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 42 Sure. Just stop replying or referring to my post. I will ensure you that I
will ignore you completely if you do so.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 圣kobe得过８１分
|
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 43 乔丹一出手，科比算个球
【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: 乔老爷算个毛，圣科比得过81
:
: kind
|
i***5
发帖数: 457 | 44 sure, did I ever tell you to shut up? you must be day dreaming
btw, copying my words only show that you are out of arguments
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 圣kobe得过８１分
|
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 45 KB is not as selfish as MJ. In their top 5 scoring playoffs games, KB has
more assists, more rebonds, roughly the same blocks and higher points/shot
ratio.
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 这么独？
|
K****p
发帖数: 169 | 46 lol, iso35和daokou谁是谁的马甲？
【在 i***5 的大作中提到】
: sure, did I ever tell you to shut up? you must be day dreaming
: btw, copying my words only show that you are out of arguments
|
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 47 I am myself, nobody's mj.
【在 K****p 的大作中提到】
: lol, iso35和daokou谁是谁的马甲？
|
j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 48 科比啥命中率啊，还跟乔丹比
shot
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: KB is not as selfish as MJ. In their top 5 scoring playoffs games, KB has
: more assists, more rebonds, roughly the same blocks and higher points/shot
: ratio.
|
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 49 Percentage does not describe effectiveness. If a guy who only takes 2 point
shots is making 50% on 20 shots in a game, he scores 20 points to help his
team. If a guy who only takes 3 points shots is making 40% on 20 shots in a
game, he scores 24 points to help his team. You can see 40% is better than
50% here.
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 科比啥命中率啊，还跟乔丹比
:
: shot
|
h*****2
发帖数: 643 | 50 haha
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: 只是个没种抱大腿的小垃圾
:
|
|
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j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 51 得分差不多的情况下，当然命中率说明一切了，狡辩个啥啊
况且乔丹都是往里面冲，kobe飘着投，出手一样多即使命中率一样的情况下，也是kobe
打的不合理、太独
point
a
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Percentage does not describe effectiveness. If a guy who only takes 2 point
: shots is making 50% on 20 shots in a game, he scores 20 points to help his
: team. If a guy who only takes 3 points shots is making 40% on 20 shots in a
: game, he scores 24 points to help his team. You can see 40% is better than
: 50% here.
|
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 52 Sophistry? It's you who are doing it.
MJ's career shooting percentage is 49.7%, Kobe's is 45.5%. If you take into
account the fact that Kobe is shooting more 3pts, you will find that on
every shot, MJ scores 1.31 points, Kobe also scores 1.31 points. Note here,
I am talking about career shooting stats.
If you take out MJ and Kobe's top 5 performances, either whole career or
only playoff games, you will be surprised by what has happened.
In whole career case, Kobe's top 5 scoring games are all in
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 得分差不多的情况下，当然命中率说明一切了，狡辩个啥啊
: 况且乔丹都是往里面冲，kobe飘着投，出手一样多即使命中率一样的情况下，也是kobe
: 打的不合理、太独
:
: point
: a
|
j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 53 我服了你了，
kobe比乔丹牛，行了吧？
into
,
.
case
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Sophistry? It's you who are doing it.
: MJ's career shooting percentage is 49.7%, Kobe's is 45.5%. If you take into
: account the fact that Kobe is shooting more 3pts, you will find that on
: every shot, MJ scores 1.31 points, Kobe also scores 1.31 points. Note here,
: I am talking about career shooting stats.
: If you take out MJ and Kobe's top 5 performances, either whole career or
: only playoff games, you will be surprised by what has happened.
: In whole career case, Kobe's top 5 scoring games are all in
|
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 54 It's your conclusion, not mine.
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 我服了你了，
: kobe比乔丹牛，行了吧？
:
: into
: ,
: .
: case
|
j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 55 科蜜真的蜜的失去判断力了
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: It's your conclusion, not mine.
|
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 56 It's mj's fan who loses senses. I am just looking at the stats and give you
the real MJ, not the one in fantasy.
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 科蜜真的蜜的失去判断力了
|
c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 57
into
,
怎么算出来的? mj的efg% 50.9% , 科比 48.8%
你想连罚球一起折算？没意义
.
case
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Sophistry? It's you who are doing it.
: MJ's career shooting percentage is 49.7%, Kobe's is 45.5%. If you take into
: account the fact that Kobe is shooting more 3pts, you will find that on
: every shot, MJ scores 1.31 points, Kobe also scores 1.31 points. Note here,
: I am talking about career shooting stats.
: If you take out MJ and Kobe's top 5 performances, either whole career or
: only playoff games, you will be surprised by what has happened.
: In whole career case, Kobe's top 5 scoring games are all in
|
l******g
发帖数: 636 | |
j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 59 看过的比赛不少，科比就是胡扔，何况命中率还低，
kobe的名声都是被你们这帮科蜜们给毁了
you
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: It's mj's fan who loses senses. I am just looking at the stats and give you
: the real MJ, not the one in fantasy.
|
c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 60 常规赛比得分，季候赛比篮板助攻，为啥不全列出来？
Sophistry? It's you who are doing it.
MJ's career shooting percentage is 49.7%, Kobe's is 45.5%. If you take into
account the fact that Kobe is shooting more 3pts, you will find that on
every shot, MJ scores 1.31 points, Kobe also scores 1.31 points. Note here,
I am talking about career shooting stats.
If you take out MJ and Kobe's top 5 performances, either whole career or
only playoff games, you will be surprised by what has happened.
In whole career case, Kobe's top
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Sophistry? It's you who are doing it.
: MJ's career shooting percentage is 49.7%, Kobe's is 45.5%. If you take into
: account the fact that Kobe is shooting more 3pts, you will find that on
: every shot, MJ scores 1.31 points, Kobe also scores 1.31 points. Note here,
: I am talking about career shooting stats.
: If you take out MJ and Kobe's top 5 performances, either whole career or
: only playoff games, you will be surprised by what has happened.
: In whole career case, Kobe's top 5 scoring games are all in
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j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 61 数据有时候真的说明不了问题，
看比赛的时候就知道kobe有多独了，他一飙分，别人就都不会打了
into
,
.
case
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 常规赛比得分，季候赛比篮板助攻，为啥不全列出来？
:
: Sophistry? It's you who are doing it.
: MJ's career shooting percentage is 49.7%, Kobe's is 45.5%. If you take into
: account the fact that Kobe is shooting more 3pts, you will find that on
: every shot, MJ scores 1.31 points, Kobe also scores 1.31 points. Note here,
: I am talking about career shooting stats.
: If you take out MJ and Kobe's top 5 performances, either whole career or
: only playoff games, you will be surprised by what has happened.
: In whole career case, Kobe's top
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 62 At the beginning, I was just looking at scoring. And I find in career top 5,
MJ is not even close to KB in scoring. I did not pay attention to the other
's. You can spend some time and post it here. I am expecting KB's other
stats would reduce when he puts more effort on scoring and helps the team
win.
About playoffs, it's some other ID reminded me why I just post regular
season stats. So I spent some time and take them out of basketball-reference
.com. It's all there.
into
,
.
case
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 常规赛比得分，季候赛比篮板助攻，为啥不全列出来？
:
: Sophistry? It's you who are doing it.
: MJ's career shooting percentage is 49.7%, Kobe's is 45.5%. If you take into
: account the fact that Kobe is shooting more 3pts, you will find that on
: every shot, MJ scores 1.31 points, Kobe also scores 1.31 points. Note here,
: I am talking about career shooting stats.
: If you take out MJ and Kobe's top 5 performances, either whole career or
: only playoff games, you will be surprised by what has happened.
: In whole career case, Kobe's top
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 63 Stats lie now? You will make all other MJ fans crazy.
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 数据有时候真的说明不了问题，
: 看比赛的时候就知道kobe有多独了，他一飙分，别人就都不会打了
:
: into
: ,
: .
: case
|
j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 64 乔丹是数据跟实际表现都很牛逼的典范，
kobe数据总体来说不如乔丹，实际表现更不如，
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Stats lie now? You will make all other MJ fans crazy.
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 65 这是科黑的惯用思路啊
先狂贬kb，等科饭上来说差距其实不大，就做悲愤状“kb比乔丹牛，行了吧？”，或者
“乔丹算个毛，科比有81”
该换个套路了
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 我服了你了，
: kobe比乔丹牛，行了吧？
:
: into
: ,
: .
: case
|
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 66 That's what you think. And stopping saying Kobe is selfish, he shots less in
his career, he shots less in his top 5 performances, either in whole career
or in playoff games. If he is selfish, what about MJ?
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 乔丹是数据跟实际表现都很牛逼的典范，
: kobe数据总体来说不如乔丹，实际表现更不如，
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j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 67 操，科蜜真可怕
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 这是科黑的惯用思路啊
: 先狂贬kb，等科饭上来说差距其实不大，就做悲愤状“kb比乔丹牛，行了吧？”，或者
: “乔丹算个毛，科比有81”
: 该换个套路了
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 68 你太谦虚了
或者
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 操，科蜜真可怕
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 69 I think it makes more sense to use simply points/shots. MJ drives more and
draw more free throws there. KB shots more behind the arc and also draws
more free throws there. Average shots in a game reflects how much efforts/
opportunity a player put/is given into attacking. A simple points/shots
ratio reflects more. When we interpret stats, it's important to keep it
simple and meaningful.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 常规赛比得分，季候赛比篮板助攻，为啥不全列出来？
:
: Sophistry? It's you who are doing it.
: MJ's career shooting percentage is 49.7%, Kobe's is 45.5%. If you take into
: account the fact that Kobe is shooting more 3pts, you will find that on
: every shot, MJ scores 1.31 points, Kobe also scores 1.31 points. Note here,
: I am talking about career shooting stats.
: If you take out MJ and Kobe's top 5 performances, either whole career or
: only playoff games, you will be surprised by what has happened.
: In whole career case, Kobe's top
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j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 70 说了半天，你还是认为kobe比乔丹牛，不服不行了，
争这个没意思， kobe个人技术没的说， 他就是一得分别人就哑火了，我也不知道为
什么
in
career
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: That's what you think. And stopping saying Kobe is selfish, he shots less in
: his career, he shots less in his top 5 performances, either in whole career
: or in playoff games. If he is selfish, what about MJ?
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 71 同学们，愿意和Daokou同学浪费时间的，不用纠缠了。
看看这个帖子，
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Basketball/32112621.html
再看看这个帖子
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Basketball/32106963.html
你们就知道他大概是什么水平，大概是怎么会偷换概念了。基本和好虫是一个档次的
这个嘛，唉，有些人就是这种盲目，kobe得过８１分，没办法，什么马老爷乔老爷，一
边去 |
c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 72 统计不说谎，不过总是可以有选择的选出统计
比如你可以有选择的选出五场比赛，然后选择出五场比赛比较有利的技术统计
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Stats lie now? You will make all other MJ fans crazy.
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 73 对了，daokou同学，那五场比赛的帖子，你胡说八道我的话我就不追究了，生科比对手
是什么档次，我问了１０遍了吧，你怎么还不说阿？要不要我帮你查阿？ |
c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 74
拍手！同意！
我们是不是可以结贴了？嘿嘿
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: 乔丹一出手，科比算个球
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 75 Top 5 performances, I did not what teams KB faced, I did not know what teams
MJ faced, either. You can continue to argue about the details but I think
my work is done, I will accept what you find if you devote some time to it.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 统计不说谎，不过总是可以有选择的选出统计
: 比如你可以有选择的选出五场比赛，然后选择出五场比赛比较有利的技术统计
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j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 76 爱上强奸犯了，呵呵，没办法
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
: 同学们，愿意和Daokou同学浪费时间的，不用纠缠了。
: 看看这个帖子，
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Basketball/32112621.html
: 再看看这个帖子
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Basketball/32106963.html
: 你们就知道他大概是什么水平，大概是怎么会偷换概念了。基本和好虫是一个档次的
: 这个嘛，唉，有些人就是这种盲目，kobe得过８１分，没办法，什么马老爷乔老爷，一
: 边去
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 77
teams
.
很简单嘛，我在另一个帖子帮你总结了，ＭＪ的５场比赛，一场后来的总冠军，一场东
部第二，一场东部第三，一场季后赛
球队
kobe的，嘿嘿，是你不想统计，还是不敢统计？
哥们，出来论坛混，不擦屁股，不是好的习惯噢。人争一口气嘛，人家说你选择性挑选
，你就要证明给别人看，爷没有选择
性挑选
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Top 5 performances, I did not what teams KB faced, I did not know what teams
: MJ faced, either. You can continue to argue about the details but I think
: my work is done, I will accept what you find if you devote some time to it.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 78 I just put stats there. I did not say much more than that. You asked me 10
times? I guess then I ignored you 10 times.
Let me say it again, if you do not reply or refer to my post, I will ignore
you completely. If you demand my attention, sorry, I am busy.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
: 对了，daokou同学，那五场比赛的帖子，你胡说八道我的话我就不追究了，生科比对手
: 是什么档次，我问了１０遍了吧，你怎么还不说阿？要不要我帮你查阿？
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j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 79 81分那场是对猛龙吧，猛龙不是季后赛球队吧？
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: teams
: .
: 很简单嘛，我在另一个帖子帮你总结了，ＭＪ的５场比赛，一场后来的总冠军，一场东
: 部第二，一场东部第三，一场季后赛
: 球队
: kobe的，嘿嘿，是你不想统计，还是不敢统计？
: 哥们，出来论坛混，不擦屁股，不是好的习惯噢。人争一口气嘛，人家说你选择性挑选
: ，你就要证明给别人看，爷没有选择
: 性挑选
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 80
ignore
不比较对手，没意义嘛，同学，下次你约你们那幼儿园也打一场比赛，把你的数据贴出
来，我保准你比他俩还牛，下次我的
签名会改为
kobe乔丹算个毛，daokou得过xxx分
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: I just put stats there. I did not say much more than that. You asked me 10
: times? I guess then I ignored you 10 times.
: Let me say it again, if you do not reply or refer to my post, I will ignore
: you completely. If you demand my attention, sorry, I am busy.
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 81
猛龙老牛了，当年ＮＢＡ失分全联盟第二多，好歹也是上了排行榜的
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 81分那场是对猛龙吧，猛龙不是季后赛球队吧？
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 82 As I said, typically I ignore your post. OK, now you find out these 5 games,
let me ask you this, can you conclude from this stats that KB is not even
close to MJ in their top performances, based on what you just find out?
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 猛龙老牛了，当年ＮＢＡ失分全联盟第二多，好歹也是上了排行榜的
|
j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 83 这小子，英语倒是不错
games,
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: As I said, typically I ignore your post. OK, now you find out these 5 games,
: let me ask you this, can you conclude from this stats that KB is not even
: close to MJ in their top performances, based on what you just find out?
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j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 84 呵呵，那就难怪了，
不过81分确实是奇迹，不过再一次验证了此人是独行侠，当老大之后teamwork确实不行
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 猛龙老牛了，当年ＮＢＡ失分全联盟第二多，好歹也是上了排行榜的
|
c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 85 playoffs
basketball-reference 只有91年之后的
你自己以最高得分为标准说的最好的五场，平均得分差了10分，然后你用篮板助攻的数
据来说话
另外前端时间你自己也找了50+以上比赛的数据吧，样本更多，为什么不用这个来比
5,
other
reference
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: At the beginning, I was just looking at scoring. And I find in career top 5,
: MJ is not even close to KB in scoring. I did not pay attention to the other
: 's. You can spend some time and post it here. I am expecting KB's other
: stats would reduce when he puts more effort on scoring and helps the team
: win.
: About playoffs, it's some other ID reminded me why I just post regular
: season stats. So I spent some time and take them out of basketball-reference
: .com. It's all there.
:
: into
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 86
games,
很好，你终于问了，哈哈。就等着你问呢，我就顺便把那个帖子的回复贴过来
某些迷的水平真是低到令人发指的地步，要逻辑没逻辑，要证据没证据，让找资料不敢
找。争论起来没有任何credit
我的原话奉上：
"视频你可以觉得不是证据，没关系，你要数据也可以给你数据嘛，你要荣誉也可以比荣
誉嘛。但论及进攻实力，和身体天赋，随便你怎么比，MJ都是比同年龄的Kobe要强，你
比数据也好，视频也好，OK？"
我说得很清楚，进攻实力，和身体天赋, 你想论证，请直接针对这一点论证，如果不想
论证，就别扯我的话，ＯＫ？我什么
时候说了他俩的prime performance not even close了？
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: As I said, typically I ignore your post. OK, now you find out these 5 games,
: let me ask you this, can you conclude from this stats that KB is not even
: close to MJ in their top performances, based on what you just find out?
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d*****d
发帖数: 3081 | 87 temawork不行也背靠背冠军了，02年之后那些teamwork行的谁做到了，
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，那就难怪了，
: 不过81分确实是奇迹，不过再一次验证了此人是独行侠，当老大之后teamwork确实不行
|
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 88 Here are MJ's top 5 performances in playoffs:
1986 Celtics, 1st ranked defense. 2OT LOSS. 63
1992 MIA, 24 ranked defense. 56
1993 PHO, 9 ranked defense. 55
1997 WAS, 13 ranked defense. 55
1988 CLE, 5 ranked defense. 55
Other than winning at not so bad defensively CLE team, others are not good,
either.
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 81分那场是对猛龙吧，猛龙不是季后赛球队吧？
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 89
省省吧，让他比较一下对手实力他都不敢。还敢拿50+比？
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: playoffs
: basketball-reference 只有91年之后的
: 你自己以最高得分为标准说的最好的五场，平均得分差了10分，然后你用篮板助攻的数
: 据来说话
: 另外前端时间你自己也找了50+以上比赛的数据吧，样本更多，为什么不用这个来比
:
: 5,
: other
: reference
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 90 I did not have 50 points above stats myself. I found it out in some link
posted later here, but it looks more like kindergarten reasoning.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: playoffs
: basketball-reference 只有91年之后的
: 你自己以最高得分为标准说的最好的五场，平均得分差了10分，然后你用篮板助攻的数
: 据来说话
: 另外前端时间你自己也找了50+以上比赛的数据吧，样本更多，为什么不用这个来比
:
: 5,
: other
: reference
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 91
,
不错，哥们，来，贴贴kobe top 5 performances in playoffs
对了，你懂逻辑么？你懂playoff和regular season的区别么？
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Here are MJ's top 5 performances in playoffs:
: 1986 Celtics, 1st ranked defense. 2OT LOSS. 63
: 1992 MIA, 24 ranked defense. 56
: 1993 PHO, 9 ranked defense. 55
: 1997 WAS, 13 ranked defense. 55
: 1988 CLE, 5 ranked defense. 55
: Other than winning at not so bad defensively CLE team, others are not good,
: either.
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 92 不叫top 5 performance
叫得分前五的比赛
自然也能选出五场比赛，平均得分少10，篮板助攻都高的
,
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Here are MJ's top 5 performances in playoffs:
: 1986 Celtics, 1st ranked defense. 2OT LOSS. 63
: 1992 MIA, 24 ranked defense. 56
: 1993 PHO, 9 ranked defense. 55
: 1997 WAS, 13 ranked defense. 55
: 1988 CLE, 5 ranked defense. 55
: Other than winning at not so bad defensively CLE team, others are not good,
: either.
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 93
他贴的这５场是playoff
不能拿来和之前他贴的常规赛数据比
我正让他找kobe的playoff top5呢
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 不叫top 5 performance
: 叫得分前五的比赛
: 自然也能选出五场比赛，平均得分少10，篮板助攻都高的
:
: ,
|
j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 94 这两年，kobe的帮手确实太强了
【在 d*****d 的大作中提到】
: temawork不行也背靠背冠军了，02年之后那些teamwork行的谁做到了，
|
c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 95 我说的就是playoff
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 他贴的这５场是playoff
: 不能拿来和之前他贴的常规赛数据比
: 我正让他找kobe的playoff top5呢
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 96 I think what I posted has answered your question about attacking ability.
KB score 1.31 points on each shot in his career so far, so does MJ.
PRIME season stats are similar.
TOP 5 performances Kobe has the edge.
About athleticism, I never argued it. MJ has the edge, out of question.
If you want to turn a blind eye to the stats, it's fine with me.
比荣
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 他贴的这５场是playoff
: 不能拿来和之前他贴的常规赛数据比
: 我正让他找kobe的playoff top5呢
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 97 I get it. YOU KNEW NOTHING AND YOU JUST WANT MY ATTENTION.
Aren't they playoff games? Do you know anything about basketball?
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 他贴的这５场是playoff
: 不能拿来和之前他贴的常规赛数据比
: 我正让他找kobe的playoff top5呢
|
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 98 I should have pointed out that it's scoring top 5. Because from the very
beginning what I argued is just scoring.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 不叫top 5 performance
: 叫得分前五的比赛
: 自然也能选出五场比赛，平均得分少10，篮板助攻都高的
:
: ,
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j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 99 感觉你确实不怎么打篮球啊
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: I get it. YOU KNEW NOTHING AND YOU JUST WANT MY ATTENTION.
: Aren't they playoff games? Do you know anything about basketball?
|
l****8
发帖数: 1843 | 100 有啥好争的，mj又不是对上非季候赛球队就休战？
反正两个都是很能彪分的，可能是老张之后最能彪分的两个，
科比3分好些，彪得最疯的时候跟mj一样疯，甚至更疯也不奇怪。
另外，反正俩论彪分都是给老张提鞋的，
非要论谁提左鞋谁提右鞋很没必要。
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 他贴的这５场是playoff
: 不能拿来和之前他贴的常规赛数据比
: 我正让他找kobe的playoff top5呢
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 101
奇怪，这个标准好奇怪阿
首先，为啥比prime season？而不是比平均？你能说出理由吗？
kobe现在年轻，比平均对他更有利阿
其次，说一下points on each shot怎么算的吧。算罚球没有？
其三，我已经说了，你列的top 5 performance就是一个joke
这样吧，我给你一个建议，把kobe和乔丹分别的常规赛和季后赛的top 5 score
performance列出来，大家就知道谁牛谁
不牛了
敢么？
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: I think what I posted has answered your question about attacking ability.
: KB score 1.31 points on each shot in his career so far, so does MJ.
: PRIME season stats are similar.
: TOP 5 performances Kobe has the edge.
: About athleticism, I never argued it. MJ has the edge, out of question.
: If you want to turn a blind eye to the stats, it's fine with me.
:
: 比荣
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T***c
发帖数: 17256 | 102 你也不嫌累
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 奇怪，这个标准好奇怪阿
: 首先，为啥比prime season？而不是比平均？你能说出理由吗？
: kobe现在年轻，比平均对他更有利阿
: 其次，说一下points on each shot怎么算的吧。算罚球没有？
: 其三，我已经说了，你列的top 5 performance就是一个joke
: 这样吧，我给你一个建议，把kobe和乔丹分别的常规赛和季后赛的top 5 score
: performance列出来，大家就知道谁牛谁
: 不牛了
: 敢么？
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 103 只说得分
35分 53.5%命中率的season
32.5 53.8%的season
31.5 53.9%的season
有similar的么
另外即使是你这个每次出手得分的数据，mj的是包含了40岁在奇才的数据
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: I think what I posted has answered your question about attacking ability.
: KB score 1.31 points on each shot in his career so far, so does MJ.
: PRIME season stats are similar.
: TOP 5 performances Kobe has the edge.
: About athleticism, I never argued it. MJ has the edge, out of question.
: If you want to turn a blind eye to the stats, it's fine with me.
:
: 比荣
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 104
哥们，你懂逻辑么？怎么和好虫一个德行阿
你这个数据是回谁的，８８楼。８８的的意思是什么？是说kobe常规赛的那个高分是对
没有进季后赛球队搞的，就是说这
些球队档次不够。
然后你拿ＭＪ的季后赛得分去比较？可以阿，你要拿mj的季后赛表现说事，你就要那
kobe的季后赛表现来比。你列了
kobe的play-off top 5 scoring performance了么？你比较了季后赛对手了么？
逻辑阿，逻辑阿，来，我教你，你应该把kobe的那五个对手的防守实力列出来，ＭＪ那
五个对手的方式实力列出来，直接
比较。懂了吧？
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: I get it. YOU KNEW NOTHING AND YOU JUST WANT MY ATTENTION.
: Aren't they playoff games? Do you know anything about basketball?
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 105
我特喜欢逗他，不知道为什么
【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: 你也不嫌累
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 106 I am glad you feel that way. Otherwise I am really disagreeing with somebody
who has the right feel about basketball players.
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 感觉你确实不怎么打篮球啊
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j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 107 科蜜们真是擅长选择性挑数据啊，爱的太深了，呵呵，不知道为什么
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 只说得分
: 35分 53.5%命中率的season
: 32.5 53.8%的season
: 31.5 53.9%的season
: 有similar的么
: 另外即使是你这个每次出手得分的数据，mj的是包含了40岁在奇才的数据
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 108 Give me 10 thousand dollars I will do the stats. Otherwise , go enjoying
yourself.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 我特喜欢逗他，不知道为什么
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j****d
发帖数: 1958 | 109 生涯平均数据比prime season更好做啊，
你为什么跑出做primer season啊？
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Give me 10 thousand dollars I will do the stats. Otherwise , go enjoying
: yourself.
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 110
其实吧，不用，多麻烦
你自己的帖子已经说明一切了阿
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Basketball/32113251.html
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Give me 10 thousand dollars I will do the stats. Otherwise , go enjoying
: yourself.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 111 In KB's case, it also includes the stats when he came off the bench. I think
one way to interpret the stats is to break down all the details and that
would take too much energy. The other way is simple, since KB has bench
stats, MJ has OLD stats, so just look at them as a whole.
As I said, their career points/shots is similar, they both has lows, which
would mean their top season would be similar, otherwise it does not make
sense.
MJ's seasons over 22 FGA is 12. KB has 4.
MJ's sessons over 23 FG
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 只说得分
: 35分 53.5%命中率的season
: 32.5 53.8%的season
: 31.5 53.9%的season
: 有similar的么
: 另外即使是你这个每次出手得分的数据，mj的是包含了40岁在奇才的数据
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 112 I am just practicing English. Thanks for your time and cooperation.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 其实吧，不用，多麻烦
: 你自己的帖子已经说明一切了阿
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Basketball/32113251.html
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 113
think
解释一下你自己的帖子吧
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Basketball/32113251.html
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: In KB's case, it also includes the stats when he came off the bench. I think
: one way to interpret the stats is to break down all the details and that
: would take too much energy. The other way is simple, since KB has bench
: stats, MJ has OLD stats, so just look at them as a whole.
: As I said, their career points/shots is similar, they both has lows, which
: would mean their top season would be similar, otherwise it does not make
: sense.
: MJ's seasons over 22 FGA is 12. KB has 4.
: MJ's sessons over 23 FG
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 114
嘿嘿，别客气，反正出丑的不是我
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: I am just practicing English. Thanks for your time and cooperation.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 115 About career stats, I have mentioned it time and time again. Of course it's
easier, and it's done. You just cannot take it into your mind when you see
it.
【在 j****d 的大作中提到】
: 生涯平均数据比prime season更好做啊，
: 你为什么跑出做primer season啊？
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 116 Glad you think so.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 嘿嘿，别客气，反正出丑的不是我
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 117 Glad you remember it. You just does not understand what I was saying, which
is reasonable.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 嘿嘿，别客气，反正出丑的不是我
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 118
s
为啥呢，一个是年轻有bench经历，一个是年老有不辉煌赛季经历，很公平嘛
实在不行这样比，你算一算kobe什么时候开始主力，你就算多少个赛季。我这边列出同
样年数的ＭＪ的数据，常规赛季后
赛都算嘛，别再选择性无视了阿
怎么样？其实就那些，场均，命中率，常规赛和季后赛，单列。
来不来？
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: About career stats, I have mentioned it time and time again. Of course it's
: easier, and it's done. You just cannot take it into your mind when you see
: it.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 119 I misread it. Do not make a fuss over it.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: s
: 为啥呢，一个是年轻有bench经历，一个是年老有不辉煌赛季经历，很公平嘛
: 实在不行这样比，你算一算kobe什么时候开始主力，你就算多少个赛季。我这边列出同
: 样年数的ＭＪ的数据，常规赛季后
: 赛都算嘛，别再选择性无视了阿
: 怎么样？其实就那些，场均，命中率，常规赛和季后赛，单列。
: 来不来？
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 120
which
解释一下吧:)
我就是想让别人看看这个帖子而已，你自己怎么看随便了，嘿嘿
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Glad you remember it. You just does not understand what I was saying, which
: is reasonable.
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 121
你要misread几次？你胡说八道乱引用我的话怎么说？
唉，再一次呼唤逻辑阿！
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: I misread it. Do not make a fuss over it.
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 122
你对你自己出丑很高兴？
我很欣慰，哈哈
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Glad you think so.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 123 Good. You can keep enjoying yourself, not my fault.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 你对你自己出丑很高兴？
: 我很欣慰，哈哈
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 124 Once and I admitted immediately. When did I refer your sentence? When are
you gonna focus on the facts?
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 你对你自己出丑很高兴？
: 我很欣慰，哈哈
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 125 既然讨论的是你定义的 得分/出手
科比头两个赛季平均1.3176比你算的生涯的还高些，是往上拉的
乔丹后两个赛季平均1.0575这是叫拖后腿的
think
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: In KB's case, it also includes the stats when he came off the bench. I think
: one way to interpret the stats is to break down all the details and that
: would take too much energy. The other way is simple, since KB has bench
: stats, MJ has OLD stats, so just look at them as a whole.
: As I said, their career points/shots is similar, they both has lows, which
: would mean their top season would be similar, otherwise it does not make
: sense.
: MJ's seasons over 22 FGA is 12. KB has 4.
: MJ's sessons over 23 FG
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 126 I have explained it many many times. Higher percentage does not guarantee
higher effectiveness. You just do not have the logic to process it even when
you hear other people say it.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 你对你自己出丑很高兴？
: 我很欣慰，哈哈
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 127 你在说效率值么，这个只有老北京能拿出来比了
when
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: I have explained it many many times. Higher percentage does not guarantee
: higher effectiveness. You just do not have the logic to process it even when
: you hear other people say it.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 128 MJ shot at such low effectiveness and shoot this much, it's not my fault,
right? I mentioned highs and lows and assumed kobe's lows are when he came
off the bench. Based on your calculation, seems like not.
Thank you, finally I see some insight from a MJ fan talking to me today.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 既然讨论的是你定义的 得分/出手
: 科比头两个赛季平均1.3176比你算的生涯的还高些，是往上拉的
: 乔丹后两个赛季平均1.0575这是叫拖后腿的
:
: think
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 129 另外你自己说的top season similar
我只是从mj的top season里选了三个，你找个similar的
In KB's case, it also includes the stats when he came off the bench. I think
one way to interpret the stats is to break down all the details and that
would take too much energy. The other way is simple, since KB has bench
stats, MJ has OLD stats, so just look at them as a whole.
As I said, their career points/shots is similar, they both has lows, which
would mean their top season would be similar, otherwise it does not make
sense.
MJ'
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: In KB's case, it also includes the stats when he came off the bench. I think
: one way to interpret the stats is to break down all the details and that
: would take too much energy. The other way is simple, since KB has bench
: stats, MJ has OLD stats, so just look at them as a whole.
: As I said, their career points/shots is similar, they both has lows, which
: would mean their top season would be similar, otherwise it does not make
: sense.
: MJ's seasons over 22 FGA is 12. KB has 4.
: MJ's sessons over 23 FG
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 130 Well, give him credit then. The fact that he goes to Heats does not mean he
does not have the ability to fill the stats.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 你在说效率值么，这个只有老北京能拿出来比了
:
: when
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 131 When I did the calculation, I assumed MJ's 37.1 season is his Prime season.
Other than that, I did not do the calculation yet. In KB's case, you can
just take 05-06 and 06-07
think
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 另外你自己说的top season similar
: 我只是从mj的top season里选了三个，你找个similar的
:
: In KB's case, it also includes the stats when he came off the bench. I think
: one way to interpret the stats is to break down all the details and that
: would take too much energy. The other way is simple, since KB has bench
: stats, MJ has OLD stats, so just look at them as a whole.
: As I said, their career points/shots is similar, they both has lows, which
: would mean their top season would be similar, otherwise it does not make
: sense.
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 132 low是low了一点，主要原因其实是场均罚球太少，一年场均5.6次，一年场均4次
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: MJ shot at such low effectiveness and shoot this much, it's not my fault,
: right? I mentioned highs and lows and assumed kobe's lows are when he came
: off the bench. Based on your calculation, seems like not.
: Thank you, finally I see some insight from a MJ fan talking to me today.
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 133 37分的赛季是他实际上的第二个赛季，不过是prime才开始而已
.
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: When I did the calculation, I assumed MJ's 37.1 season is his Prime season.
: Other than that, I did not do the calculation yet. In KB's case, you can
: just take 05-06 and 06-07
:
: think
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 134 我的意思是能和mj比得分的是kb，能和他比效率的是lbj
但是同时能和他比得分比效率的？
Well, give him credit then. The fact that he goes to Heats does not mean he
does not have the ability to fill the stats.
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Well, give him credit then. The fact that he goes to Heats does not mean he
: does not have the ability to fill the stats.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 135 Third season...Oh, you are taking the injury season out, but he went through
college, not that young and immature at that time.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 37分的赛季是他实际上的第二个赛季，不过是prime才开始而已
:
: .
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 136 那又怎样呢，prime season可选的范围很大，我只不过挑了三个
through
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Third season...Oh, you are taking the injury season out, but he went through
: college, not that young and immature at that time.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 137 My point is, if Kobe or LBJ is given the opportunity, they can put the same
scoring and efficiency.
he
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 我的意思是能和mj比得分的是kb，能和他比效率的是lbj
: 但是同时能和他比得分比效率的？
:
: Well, give him credit then. The fact that he goes to Heats does not mean he
: does not have the ability to fill the stats.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 138 37.1 season is not as good as Kobe's 06-07 season. The rest I have not done
the calculation yet. But I took a glance just now, seems like Jordan has the
edge. By how much, I do not know.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 那又怎样呢，prime season可选的范围很大，我只不过挑了三个
:
: through
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 139 同时做到得分和效率么？你真这么觉得
另外你给的 得分/出手 在场均差了5分的情况下意义很大么
same
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: My point is, if Kobe or LBJ is given the opportunity, they can put the same
: scoring and efficiency.
:
: he
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 140 This justification I mentioned it earlier in my post. It's rough when you
extrapolated it when FGA difference is 5. The reason why there is 5 point
difference is they have roughly 2 FGA difference.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 同时做到得分和效率么？你真这么觉得
: 另外你给的 得分/出手 在场均差了5分的情况下意义很大么
:
: same
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 141 我实在不想做数据党，很没意义
但不要考虑生涯平均先，假如你看到某个单赛季的得分榜，榜首是得分30的A，往后若
干位看到差了四五分的B,你真会很在意么
This justification I mentioned it earlier in my post. It's rough when you
extrapolated it when FGA difference is 5. The reason why there is 5 point
difference is they have roughly 2 FGA difference.
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: This justification I mentioned it earlier in my post. It's rough when you
: extrapolated it when FGA difference is 5. The reason why there is 5 point
: difference is they have roughly 2 FGA difference.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 142 LBJ will not have the opportunity to compare overall efficiency when he
plays at Miami, but he does have the ability to put out that kind of number.
In KB's career, his FGA is less than MJ's by 2 per game. It's not reasonable
to ask for the same efficiency. MJ never played with Shaq. If he does, his
stats will be affected. Of course, KB has the benefit of winning rings
alongside Shaq.
When Kobe was given the opportunity, he shot 27.2 FGA per game, which is
less than MJ's 27.6 in his 37.1 season.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 我的意思是能和mj比得分的是kb，能和他比效率的是lbj
: 但是同时能和他比得分比效率的？
:
: Well, give him credit then. The fact that he goes to Heats does not mean he
: does not have the ability to fill the stats.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 143 My feeling is like this, if I see 30 by A and 25 by B coming up next, I will
ask myself why. Is it because they are really not even close, or they are
at least comparable. I do not think MJ can beat KB in every respect and
actually in a lot of respects, they showed the same quality.
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 我实在不想做数据党，很没意义
: 但不要考虑生涯平均先，假如你看到某个单赛季的得分榜，榜首是得分30的A，往后若
: 干位看到差了四五分的B,你真会很在意么
:
: This justification I mentioned it earlier in my post. It's rough when you
: extrapolated it when FGA difference is 5. The reason why there is 5 point
: difference is they have roughly 2 FGA difference.
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 144
will
哥们，说话太绕了，我都吃完饭了，让你列的季后赛数据你还是没有。你是觉得季后赛
不重要，还是觉得季后赛没有常规赛
说明问题？成天就知道拿mj的第二个赛季比，好意思不阿。
你不如直接说，我觉得xx方面，xx方面，xx方面，mj不如kobe，我们大家来反驳，这样
效率高多了。扯这么多废话干嘛
呢。展开说说吧，你说的a lot of respects，是指哪些。
反正除了三分，我想不到别的。中投，突破，身体？
三分mj确实不如kobe。其他的可以这样比，把大家的三分数据都剔除，然后算一个数据。
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: My feeling is like this, if I see 30 by A and 25 by B coming up next, I will
: ask myself why. Is it because they are really not even close, or they are
: at least comparable. I do not think MJ can beat KB in every respect and
: actually in a lot of respects, they showed the same quality.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 145
据。
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: will
: 哥们，说话太绕了，我都吃完饭了，让你列的季后赛数据你还是没有。你是觉得季后赛
: 不重要，还是觉得季后赛没有常规赛
: 说明问题？成天就知道拿mj的第二个赛季比，好意思不阿。
: 你不如直接说，我觉得xx方面，xx方面，xx方面，mj不如kobe，我们大家来反驳，这样
: 效率高多了。扯这么多废话干嘛
: 呢。展开说说吧，你说的a lot of respects，是指哪些。
: 反正除了三分，我想不到别的。中投，突破，身体？
: 三分mj确实不如kobe。其他的可以这样比，把大家的三分数据都剔除，然后算一个数据。
|
g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 146
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: 只是个没种抱大腿的小垃圾
:
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l****8
发帖数: 1843 | 147 还在争啊
反正论彪分俩都是给老张提鞋的，
非要论谁提左鞋谁提右鞋有必要吗？ |
D****u
发帖数: 735 | 148 Who do you think you are? You let me find somthing then I should go find it?
All the stats supporting my points I have presented earlier or today. You
just did not read them carefully enough.
Let me sum it up again for the serious readers: (thanks to Connecting for some
correction)
In their career, they both score 1.31 points on every shot they attempted so
far. KB is a better three pointer scorer, a better free throw scorer. A worse
slasher and a similar mid-range player. (The last sentence is
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: will
: 哥们，说话太绕了，我都吃完饭了，让你列的季后赛数据你还是没有。你是觉得季后赛
: 不重要，还是觉得季后赛没有常规赛
: 说明问题？成天就知道拿mj的第二个赛季比，好意思不阿。
: 你不如直接说，我觉得xx方面，xx方面，xx方面，mj不如kobe，我们大家来反驳，这样
: 效率高多了。扯这么多废话干嘛
: 呢。展开说说吧，你说的a lot of respects，是指哪些。
: 反正除了三分，我想不到别的。中投，突破，身体？
: 三分mj确实不如kobe。其他的可以这样比，把大家的三分数据都剔除，然后算一个数据。
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g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 149 你有望超过天狼，我看好你。
Who do you think you are? LoL
it?
so
inference
per
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Who do you think you are? You let me find somthing then I should go find it?
: All the stats supporting my points I have presented earlier or today. You
: just did not read them carefully enough.
: Let me sum it up again for the serious readers: (thanks to Connecting for some
: correction)
: In their career, they both score 1.31 points on every shot they attempted so
: far. KB is a better three pointer scorer, a better free throw scorer. A worse
: slasher and a similar mid-range player. (The last sentence is
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 150 A basketball fan who is bored and wants to practice writing. Who do you think you are?
【在 g****t 的大作中提到】
: 你有望超过天狼，我看好你。
: Who do you think you are? LoL
:
: it?
: so
: inference
: per
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T***c
发帖数: 17256 | |
c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 152
又来了，论季后赛彪分，谁配给帮主提鞋的阿
【在 l****8 的大作中提到】
: 还在争啊
: 反正论彪分俩都是给老张提鞋的，
: 非要论谁提左鞋谁提右鞋有必要吗？
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 153
it?
some
so
worse
per
has
你出了copy/paste以外，还有别的可说的么？
不敢找对手档次
不敢提季后赛表现
说不出a lot of respects到底是多lot
成天抱着就和joke一样的top 5 SCORING performance来比，太joke了。
还不敢找top 5 PLAYOFF scoring performance来比。常规赛表现有个蛋用阿。
没有逻辑不说，还乱引用我的话
唉，我觉得吧，你不是像天狼，你是超过了天狼，哈哈
得，我逗你也逗够了，让别人继续看你笑话，嘿嘿
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Who do you think you are? You let me find somthing then I should go find it?
: All the stats supporting my points I have presented earlier or today. You
: just did not read them carefully enough.
: Let me sum it up again for the serious readers: (thanks to Connecting for some
: correction)
: In their career, they both score 1.31 points on every shot they attempted so
: far. KB is a better three pointer scorer, a better free throw scorer. A worse
: slasher and a similar mid-range player. (The last sentence is
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 154
他们会说你行为艺术的
【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: 乔老爷算个毛，圣科比得过81
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l****8
发帖数: 1843 | 155 爱加什么限制条件随便，祝你自己玩得高兴
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 他们会说你行为艺术的
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 156
说不过，除了copy/paste，就是酸话
唉，早知今日，当初何必挑事嘛。好好的说lbj和kobe，非要扯进来乔老爷，找抽
good night:)
【在 l****8 的大作中提到】
: 爱加什么限制条件随便，祝你自己玩得高兴
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 157 You are just another joke as a MJ fan. I posted the top 5 playoff games
there. You did not see it. I posted the oppsoing teams there, you did not
see it. I put the mentioned respects there, you did not see it.
If you have a little respect, read their points first. I have finished practing writing with you. I will practice trash talking with if you continue this nonsense.
Let me ask you this, should you go see some eye doctor or mind doctor
tomorrow?
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 说不过，除了copy/paste，就是酸话
: 唉，早知今日，当初何必挑事嘛。好好的说lbj和kobe，非要扯进来乔老爷，找抽
: good night:)
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 158 You do not even know how to copy and paste. Learn from Connecting as a MJ
fan. Otherwise, you are bashing MJ.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 说不过，除了copy/paste，就是酸话
: 唉，早知今日，当初何必挑事嘛。好好的说lbj和kobe，非要扯进来乔老爷，找抽
: good night:)
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l****8
发帖数: 1843 | 159 不管个人水平高低，
有人一年有资格打20多场季候赛，
有人一年打一场的资格都没有，
明白没有？？
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 说不过，除了copy/paste，就是酸话
: 唉，早知今日，当初何必挑事嘛。好好的说lbj和kobe，非要扯进来乔老爷，找抽
: good night:)
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g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 160 我觉得你是Jordan haters里面水平很低的那种。
话说乔黑也是当年的一个球迷流派。中国美国
都有很多人，还有专门的网站。而且是自从互联网诞生就有。
你说了很多，都说不到点子上。我看了都替你着急。
我想提醒你两句，但我是Jordan fan阿，不能犯政治错误啊！
所以我建议你自己去进修下。学习下前人的经验。
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: You do not even know how to copy and paste. Learn from Connecting as a MJ
: fan. Otherwise, you are bashing MJ.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 161 Another Jordan fan? Glad you think my level is low. Enjoy yourself.
I am not bashing MJ, just want to find out and figure out what's happened.
【在 g****t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得你是Jordan haters里面水平很低的那种。
: 话说乔黑也是当年的一个球迷流派。中国美国
: 都有很多人，还有专门的网站。而且是自从互联网诞生就有。
: 你说了很多，都说不到点子上。我看了都替你着急。
: 我想提醒你两句，但我是Jordan fan阿，不能犯政治错误啊！
: 所以我建议你自己去进修下。学习下前人的经验。
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 162 Thanks
【在 g****t 的大作中提到】
: 你有望超过天狼，我看好你。
: Who do you think you are? LoL
:
: it?
: so
: inference
: per
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 163
practing writing with you. I will practice
trash talking with if you continue this nonsense.
你发了kobe的top 5 playoff scoring performance? 哎呀，冤枉你了，不好意思。那
层楼阿？我去看看
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: You are just another joke as a MJ fan. I posted the top 5 playoff games
: there. You did not see it. I posted the oppsoing teams there, you did not
: see it. I put the mentioned respects there, you did not see it.
: If you have a little respect, read their points first. I have finished practing writing with you. I will practice trash talking with if you continue this nonsense.
: Let me ask you this, should you go see some eye doctor or mind doctor
: tomorrow?
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T***c
发帖数: 17256 | 164 行为艺术这行当，还是他们牛叉，我撑死打个酱油
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: practing writing with you. I will practice
: trash talking with if you continue this nonsense.
: 你发了kobe的top 5 playoff scoring performance? 哎呀，冤枉你了，不好意思。那
: 层楼阿？我去看看
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 165
不明白......你是在说什么？这个帖子里面，lbj,mj和kobe都有资格打季后赛。谁没有
资格打了？
【在 l****8 的大作中提到】
: 不管个人水平高低，
: 有人一年有资格打20多场季候赛，
: 有人一年打一场的资格都没有，
: 明白没有？？
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 166
那是，我copy and paste水平自然没你高，你多牛阿，选择性无视，颠倒乾坤
你水平最高了，从我签名就看得出来:)
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: You do not even know how to copy and paste. Learn from Connecting as a MJ
: fan. Otherwise, you are bashing MJ.
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 167
哟，急了，骂人了？
熊猫，这算不算pa阿？
某些科密就这素质，唉。
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Thanks
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l****8
发帖数: 1843 | 168 自己看我的帖子去，没兴趣跟你争
我还没有闲到蛋疼去跟FAN争
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 哟，急了，骂人了？
: 熊猫，这算不算pa阿？
: 某些科密就这素质，唉。
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 169 In a rush? No. I can trash you as long as malone is not here.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 哟，急了，骂人了？
: 熊猫，这算不算pa阿？
: 某些科密就这素质，唉。
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 170
不过，说了半天，原来，你，还是，没有，把，圣，kobe，的，top, 5, playoff,
performance, 放出来阿
可惜了，还以为错怪你了。
我说哥们，你要干货没干货，要逻辑没逻辑，要脾气没脾气，连证据都不敢找，也真算
论坛极品了。
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: In a rush? No. I can trash you as long as malone is not here.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 171 Sounds like a woman...
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 不过，说了半天，原来，你，还是，没有，把，圣，kobe，的，top, 5, playoff,
: performance, 放出来阿
: 可惜了，还以为错怪你了。
: 我说哥们，你要干货没干货，要逻辑没逻辑，要脾气没脾气，连证据都不敢找，也真算
: 论坛极品了。
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 172
随便，你骂，尽情骂，反正吃亏的不是我，嘿嘿，让别人多看看你的嘴脸
反正我不骂你:)我逗你还来不及呢
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: In a rush? No. I can trash you as long as malone is not here.
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 173 .............................you are just so cheap...
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 随便，你骂，尽情骂，反正吃亏的不是我，嘿嘿，让别人多看看你的嘴脸
: 反正我不骂你:)我逗你还来不及呢
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 174
嘿嘿，这样吧，我俩一对一单挑篮球，谁输，谁在论坛上发帖，说我是woman，如何？
视频公开给大家。
同意的话，我pm你地址。
其实吧，论发帖，你就是woman，说不过就骂，你以为你泼妇阿，哈哈
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Sounds like a woman...
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c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 175 你证明了什么? 我就是看不上你的逻辑
你说两人每次投篮得1.31分，这是个很重要的数据么，为什么官方从来不用，凭什么说
场均差近5分，如果每场比赛多两次出手还能保持这个数据。类比你这种方法我找到了
chris
bosh的数据，生涯场均20.2，比kb低5分左右，得分10275，投篮7346,比例1.40 比科
比高
，类比你的逻辑他每场多投两次就能跟kb一样得分
比prime season, mj可选的赛季很多，我列出了mj的那三个以命中率近54%拿下得分王的
赛季你避而不谈
你选5场比赛想说明手热的时候怎么怎么样，打了上千场比赛手就热了五场？
我如果偏偏就想多列几场进行对比呢，统计学上谁更合理？即使是只cut到排第6的比赛
也足以改变你的数据了
乔丹排第六（常规赛加季后赛）的比赛27投21中，科比排第六的比赛45投22中。
就按你说的按得分排
常规赛
MJ 31场过50 命中率 61%， 只有一场低于50% 采用你的数据每次出手得分1.65
季后赛8场过50 命中率57% 每场都大于50% 每次出手得分 1.56
kb 24场过50 总命中
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Who do you think you are? You let me find somthing then I should go find it?
: All the stats supporting my points I have presented earlier or today. You
: just did not read them carefully enough.
: Let me sum it up again for the serious readers: (thanks to Connecting for some
: correction)
: In their career, they both score 1.31 points on every shot they attempted so
: far. KB is a better three pointer scorer, a better free throw scorer. A worse
: slasher and a similar mid-range player. (The last sentence is
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 176 I talked about MJ's three top seasons. You can find it in previous posts.
Earlier on I did not do that much, because it took much more time to find
out.
But according to your calculation, I think to claim it not even close is not
true, either regular season or playoff games. Bosh is a forward, a higher
points/shots ratio is expected.
I have been careful enough to put my definition there. You cannot deny top 5
performances Kobe has the edge. If you argue the sample base is too small,
I agree with
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 你证明了什么? 我就是看不上你的逻辑
: 你说两人每次投篮得1.31分，这是个很重要的数据么，为什么官方从来不用，凭什么说
: 场均差近5分，如果每场比赛多两次出手还能保持这个数据。类比你这种方法我找到了
: chris
: bosh的数据，生涯场均20.2，比kb低5分左右，得分10275，投篮7346,比例1.40 比科
: 比高
: ，类比你的逻辑他每场多投两次就能跟kb一样得分
: 比prime season, mj可选的赛季很多，我列出了mj的那三个以命中率近54%拿下得分王的
: 赛季你避而不谈
: 你选5场比赛想说明手热的时候怎么怎么样，打了上千场比赛手就热了五场？
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D****u
发帖数: 735 | 177 Sorry. He is just so annoying. Does not talk about the points at all. |
c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 178
是我没有points还是你没有points？
我说了无数次了，top５是一个很少的sample，而且对手档次不一样，不能直接比。你
不承认，我就说我给mj的对手是什
么，你给kobe的对手是什么档次。说实话，我到现在也没查，我都不知道到底kobe对手
多强。你就不敢找
然后回别人另外一个贴，把mj的playoff top 5搬出来，我就说，ok，你要比playoff，
那你把kobe的playoff top 5列出
来。但到现在你还没列
你到底有没有credit阿？
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Sorry. He is just so annoying. Does not talk about the points at all.
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 179 pa.
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Sorry. He is just so annoying. Does not talk about the points at all.
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 180 pa
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: Sorry. He is just so annoying. Does not talk about the points at all.
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 181 pa
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: .............................you are just so cheap...
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | |
c********g
发帖数: 3968 | 183 实际上我早说过，科比感觉到了的时候连续出手连续命中的能力确实更强，往往这时是
场上局势跟他个人训练时的感觉节奏以及脑子里各种move的组合安排很合拍时候。乔丹
应对处理变化的能力则更强，主观上要加强个人进攻的时候更难以被抑制。同样是50分
，也可以有不同的得法。
我就是反对你用几场比赛来证明的逻辑,一场30分的比赛难道不能是有段时间手特别热
得的么。看了一定量的比赛自然会对风格有所判断，不是几场比赛的数据能左右的
not
5
,
【在 D****u 的大作中提到】
: I talked about MJ's three top seasons. You can find it in previous posts.
: Earlier on I did not do that much, because it took much more time to find
: out.
: But according to your calculation, I think to claim it not even close is not
: true, either regular season or playoff games. Bosh is a forward, a higher
: points/shots ratio is expected.
: I have been careful enough to put my definition there. You cannot deny top 5
: performances Kobe has the edge. If you argue the sample base is too small,
: I agree with
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c*****a
发帖数: 6 | |
d*****1
发帖数: 16 | 185 对不起，上次还没准备马甲，所以过了这么久才回复。
这个问题我是这么理解的，每次投篮得分结合EFG可以用材衡量这个人独不独. 仅仅EFG
的缺点是你不知道这个队员在罚球线上的得分情况。points/shots对比EFG直接可以给
出答案。比如，科比常规赛职业生涯和帮主常规赛职业生涯points/shots一样，但是
EFG科比低一些，结论是科比罚球线上得分多－－事实确实如此。
还有你说的科比前两个赛季points/shots不低，但是这两个赛季EFG是他职业生涯最低
的两个赛季。
王的
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 你证明了什么? 我就是看不上你的逻辑
: 你说两人每次投篮得1.31分，这是个很重要的数据么，为什么官方从来不用，凭什么说
: 场均差近5分，如果每场比赛多两次出手还能保持这个数据。类比你这种方法我找到了
: chris
: bosh的数据，生涯场均20.2，比kb低5分左右，得分10275，投篮7346,比例1.40 比科
: 比高
: ，类比你的逻辑他每场多投两次就能跟kb一样得分
: 比prime season, mj可选的赛季很多，我列出了mj的那三个以命中率近54%拿下得分王的
: 赛季你避而不谈
: 你选5场比赛想说明手热的时候怎么怎么样，打了上千场比赛手就热了五场？
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d*****1
发帖数: 16 | 186 既然你谈到了逻辑，我强调了好几遍，看到命中率低就下结论得分效率低很是没有逻辑
的。按你对手热的定义，把样本扩大到 季后赛科比11场，帮主8场，科比命中率稍低（
其实五场来算也是科比低），但是EFG更高（0.586 vs. 0.582），其他结论 关于篮板
助攻罚球命中率等等科比更高的结论依然成立。唯一改变的是帮主三分命中率高了，为
啥？帮主对纽约那场三分9投6中，其他五场三分出手少，命中更少。还有两场都是在88
－89赛季，basketball-reference没有统计数据，我懒得看视频再去统计这个数了。当
然你也知道，90年前帮主身体素质正在巅峰，根本不打三分，所以无论如何得不出帮主
这八场比科比那11场更牛的结论。
当然，points/shots值也变成了帮主稍高。原因是随着把科比场数增大到11场，他手热
的假设开始不成立了，EFG没那么高了。这个时候帮主季后赛罚球多的因素占了主导，
这个属于帮主打法上的优点。
这11+8场比赛的时间对手我都做了统计。你要查证数据的话，我可以发给你，这样会省
去你一些时间。
王的
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 你证明了什么? 我就是看不上你的逻辑
: 你说两人每次投篮得1.31分，这是个很重要的数据么，为什么官方从来不用，凭什么说
: 场均差近5分，如果每场比赛多两次出手还能保持这个数据。类比你这种方法我找到了
: chris
: bosh的数据，生涯场均20.2，比kb低5分左右，得分10275，投篮7346,比例1.40 比科
: 比高
: ，类比你的逻辑他每场多投两次就能跟kb一样得分
: 比prime season, mj可选的赛季很多，我列出了mj的那三个以命中率近54%拿下得分王的
: 赛季你避而不谈
: 你选5场比赛想说明手热的时候怎么怎么样，打了上千场比赛手就热了五场？
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d*****1
发帖数: 16 | 187 关于样本大小问题，上回我说了，我部分同意你的观点，样本有点少，我指的是5场少
，但其实也还算可以。你要考虑出手数啥的，科比这五场出手152次，帮主188次，统计
学上绝对到了样本足够大的程度。
对比赛数少（5场）的质疑随着按你的定义扩大样本，所有结论都没有多大变化。所以
，数据表明，5场来分析足够了。
还有，科比这11场湖人10胜1负，帮主这8场6胜2负，甭管帮主面对对手多强，统计上你
得不出帮主更牛的结论。打强队的时候都输了么。
你要是把帮主场次也拉大到11场，这个数据更不占优。帮主季后赛49分两场（全输），
48分两场（一输一赢）。
常规赛我懒得统计了，场次太多太耗时，你要想说服我帮主占优你可以统计一下。不然
我觉得5场样本足够大了，有季后赛例子为证。
王的
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 你证明了什么? 我就是看不上你的逻辑
: 你说两人每次投篮得1.31分，这是个很重要的数据么，为什么官方从来不用，凭什么说
: 场均差近5分，如果每场比赛多两次出手还能保持这个数据。类比你这种方法我找到了
: chris
: bosh的数据，生涯场均20.2，比kb低5分左右，得分10275，投篮7346,比例1.40 比科
: 比高
: ，类比你的逻辑他每场多投两次就能跟kb一样得分
: 比prime season, mj可选的赛季很多，我列出了mj的那三个以命中率近54%拿下得分王的
: 赛季你避而不谈
: 你选5场比赛想说明手热的时候怎么怎么样，打了上千场比赛手就热了五场？
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d*****1
发帖数: 16 | 188 其实通过我们俩的分析，我得出的结论是 我当初对手热的假设不太合适。帮主手热的
时候得分并不是最高的，而科比这个假设就成立，不管常规赛还是季后赛，得分最高的
5场基本也是手最热的5场，随着你增大样本，科比的数据会下降，但也还算很好，按你
的统计，常规赛50分以上FG 54%的话，EFG可以到57.5%左右，这个命中率出手对球队应该没有坏处，不
管最后湖人是输是赢。当然湖人队员觉得科比出手多就罢工不防守的话，科比得分再有
效率，湖人还是输。
帮主随着把样本增大，数据反而变好了，说明帮主得分50－55左右对球队是最有利的，
出手再多了得分效率下降了，球队赢球概率也下降。当然如果看得仔细的话就会觉得帮
主也是无奈之举，打凯尔特人他命中率虽然不是最高但也在50%以上，没有特别可以指
摘的地方，就是没有能帮助公牛把球赢下来而已。
最后结论就是，我当初说了那么多，目前还没有那个帮主密能有效反驳，除了我自己随
着看得数据增多一步一步更新自己的结论。当然，这个版卧虎藏龙，大牛不屑于出手也
是可能的。
王的
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 你证明了什么? 我就是看不上你的逻辑
: 你说两人每次投篮得1.31分，这是个很重要的数据么，为什么官方从来不用，凭什么说
: 场均差近5分，如果每场比赛多两次出手还能保持这个数据。类比你这种方法我找到了
: chris
: bosh的数据，生涯场均20.2，比kb低5分左右，得分10275，投篮7346,比例1.40 比科
: 比高
: ，类比你的逻辑他每场多投两次就能跟kb一样得分
: 比prime season, mj可选的赛季很多，我列出了mj的那三个以命中率近54%拿下得分王的
: 赛季你避而不谈
: 你选5场比赛想说明手热的时候怎么怎么样，打了上千场比赛手就热了五场？
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d*****1
发帖数: 16 | 189 献丑不如藏拙
【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】
: daokou像韩国人 脸皮厚
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d*****1
发帖数: 16 | 190 对你所列的科比50分以上但是命中率50%以下的数据，我的反驳是 科比命中率48%，和
帮主命中率51%的EFG相当。看到51>48就说帮主更牛，很没逻辑；同样的，看到帮主职
业生涯均分30，科比均分25.5就下结论，not even close，很没逻辑。
王的
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】
: 你证明了什么? 我就是看不上你的逻辑
: 你说两人每次投篮得1.31分，这是个很重要的数据么，为什么官方从来不用，凭什么说
: 场均差近5分，如果每场比赛多两次出手还能保持这个数据。类比你这种方法我找到了
: chris
: bosh的数据，生涯场均20.2，比kb低5分左右，得分10275，投篮7346,比例1.40 比科
: 比高
: ，类比你的逻辑他每场多投两次就能跟kb一样得分
: 比prime season, mj可选的赛季很多，我列出了mj的那三个以命中率近54%拿下得分王的
: 赛季你避而不谈
: 你选5场比赛想说明手热的时候怎么怎么样，打了上千场比赛手就热了五场？
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 191
88
请教一下，科比11场，帮主8场。你是怎么取的
我们都知道帮主季后赛８场50+。Kobe的11场是什么？
【在 d*****1 的大作中提到】
: 既然你谈到了逻辑，我强调了好几遍，看到命中率低就下结论得分效率低很是没有逻辑
: 的。按你对手热的定义，把样本扩大到 季后赛科比11场，帮主8场，科比命中率稍低（
: 其实五场来算也是科比低），但是EFG更高（0.586 vs. 0.582），其他结论 关于篮板
: 助攻罚球命中率等等科比更高的结论依然成立。唯一改变的是帮主三分命中率高了，为
: 啥？帮主对纽约那场三分9投6中，其他五场三分出手少，命中更少。还有两场都是在88
: －89赛季，basketball-reference没有统计数据，我懒得看视频再去统计这个数了。当
: 然你也知道，90年前帮主身体素质正在巅峰，根本不打三分，所以无论如何得不出帮主
: 这八场比科比那11场更牛的结论。
: 当然，points/shots值也变成了帮主稍高。原因是随着把科比场数增大到11场，他手热
: 的假设开始不成立了，EFG没那么高了。这个时候帮主季后赛罚球多的因素占了主导，
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 192
再请教一下，打强队都输了是什么意思？你是想说，乔丹５０分以上的场次，打强队都
输了？别的我不说，总决赛５０分赢
的那场，你是觉得总决赛对手不是强队？
【在 d*****1 的大作中提到】
: 对你所列的科比50分以上但是命中率50%以下的数据，我的反驳是 科比命中率48%，和
: 帮主命中率51%的EFG相当。看到51>48就说帮主更牛，很没逻辑；同样的，看到帮主职
: 业生涯均分30，科比均分25.5就下结论，not even close，很没逻辑。
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: 王的
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 193
把样本扩大到 季后赛科比11场，帮主8场
我觉得你先把这个解释清楚吧。解释不清楚，说这么多都是扯蛋。就别浪费别人时间看了
季后赛科比11场是什么东西？
【在 d*****1 的大作中提到】
: 对你所列的科比50分以上但是命中率50%以下的数据，我的反驳是 科比命中率48%，和
: 帮主命中率51%的EFG相当。看到51>48就说帮主更牛，很没逻辑；同样的，看到帮主职
: 业生涯均分30，科比均分25.5就下结论，not even close，很没逻辑。
:
: 王的
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