g*********1
发帖数: 725 | 1 LD今天早上送小孩去幼儿园，刚出我们居住的社区，在交叉路口左转，在有左转绿灯的
时候被一辆闯红灯的车给撞了，还好人没事，但是车撞得很严重。LD当时没有找
witness,警察的报告是这么说的：对方（一老头）没有承认闯红灯，只是说他 unable
to observe the traffic light for his direction of travel due to sunlight. LD
说 ：he was proceeding into the intersection in order to complete a left
turn and had a green arrow for his direction of travel. 我们的车是半保，打我
们自己的保险公司电话，他们不管，估计维修费是6K,打电话给对方保险公司，他们说
不能确定是谁的责任，准备赖账。请各位帮忙看看，我们该怎么办？是否要联系律师？ |
n***p
发帖数: 7668 | 2 找个律师啊，有小孩子，有心理创伤，有身体疼痛。 看不见灯不是借口啊。
unable
LD
【在 g*********1 的大作中提到】
: LD今天早上送小孩去幼儿园，刚出我们居住的社区，在交叉路口左转，在有左转绿灯的
: 时候被一辆闯红灯的车给撞了，还好人没事，但是车撞得很严重。LD当时没有找
: witness,警察的报告是这么说的：对方（一老头）没有承认闯红灯，只是说他 unable
: to observe the traffic light for his direction of travel due to sunlight. LD
: 说 ：he was proceeding into the intersection in order to complete a left
: turn and had a green arrow for his direction of travel. 我们的车是半保，打我
: 们自己的保险公司电话，他们不管，估计维修费是6K,打电话给对方保险公司，他们说
: 不能确定是谁的责任，准备赖账。请各位帮忙看看，我们该怎么办？是否要联系律师？
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r*c
发帖数: 16750 | 3 到路口贴贴广告，看看能不能找到当时的证人
unable
LD
【在 g*********1 的大作中提到】
: LD今天早上送小孩去幼儿园，刚出我们居住的社区，在交叉路口左转，在有左转绿灯的
: 时候被一辆闯红灯的车给撞了，还好人没事，但是车撞得很严重。LD当时没有找
: witness,警察的报告是这么说的：对方（一老头）没有承认闯红灯，只是说他 unable
: to observe the traffic light for his direction of travel due to sunlight. LD
: 说 ：he was proceeding into the intersection in order to complete a left
: turn and had a green arrow for his direction of travel. 我们的车是半保，打我
: 们自己的保险公司电话，他们不管，估计维修费是6K,打电话给对方保险公司，他们说
: 不能确定是谁的责任，准备赖账。请各位帮忙看看，我们该怎么办？是否要联系律师？
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g*********1
发帖数: 725 | 4 就是不知道警察的report上的证词对我们来说胜算大不大？当时有车在我们的车后面，
就是给吓坏了，忘记找witness，所以才有这些麻烦，只能靠警察的report.
【在 n***p 的大作中提到】
: 找个律师啊，有小孩子，有心理创伤，有身体疼痛。 看不见灯不是借口啊。
:
: unable
: LD
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g*********1
发帖数: 725 | 5 正准备这么做，死马当活马医了。
【在 r*c 的大作中提到】
: 到路口贴贴广告，看看能不能找到当时的证人
:
: unable
: LD
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Q****s
发帖数: 1301 | 6 这都需要证人吗? 我看需要律师.
老头看不见交通灯都敢开, 还不是他的责任?? 他并没有否认是红灯.
而你们确定是绿灯. |
t****3
发帖数: 6964 | 7 我觉得老头是赖不掉了，说视线受干扰这就已经承认他的fault了。 |
g*********1
发帖数: 725 | 8 thanks for all the replies. I am going to post a sigh to find witness in
that intersection and also consult car accident lawyer.
【在 t****3 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得老头是赖不掉了，说视线受干扰这就已经承认他的fault了。
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g*********1
发帖数: 725 | 9 对方保险公司打电话来说分不清是谁的责任，还说司机告诉她是绿灯，而警察的report
上司机说是看不清交通灯。现在我是该跟对方保险公司argue，还是该怎么办？早上到
路口去贴了告示看能不能找到证人，我是不是还应该继续跟对方保险公司argue?
【在 t****3 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得老头是赖不掉了，说视线受干扰这就已经承认他的fault了。
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f*********s
发帖数: 1881 | 10 祝早日找到证人。
btw：警察的证词是什么？
report
【在 g*********1 的大作中提到】
: 对方保险公司打电话来说分不清是谁的责任，还说司机告诉她是绿灯，而警察的report
: 上司机说是看不清交通灯。现在我是该跟对方保险公司argue，还是该怎么办？早上到
: 路口去贴了告示看能不能找到证人，我是不是还应该继续跟对方保险公司argue?
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g*********1
发帖数: 725 | 11 警察的证词是: Driver #1 stated that he was traveling approximately 45 mph
and was traveling through the intersection when vehicle #2 entered his lane
of travel. Driver 1# stated that he was unable
to observe the traffic light for his direction of travel due to sunlight.
Driver #2 stated that he was proceeding into the intersection in order to
complete a left turn and had a green arrow for his direction of travel when
vehicle #2 was struck by vehicle #1. |
x*******u
发帖数: 384 | 12 对你有利啊
lane
when
【在 g*********1 的大作中提到】
: 警察的证词是: Driver #1 stated that he was traveling approximately 45 mph
: and was traveling through the intersection when vehicle #2 entered his lane
: of travel. Driver 1# stated that he was unable
: to observe the traffic light for his direction of travel due to sunlight.
: Driver #2 stated that he was proceeding into the intersection in order to
: complete a left turn and had a green arrow for his direction of travel when
: vehicle #2 was struck by vehicle #1.
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d***a
发帖数: 13752 | 13 对方没有看清灯就过路口，这也太猛了。
lane
when
【在 g*********1 的大作中提到】
: 警察的证词是: Driver #1 stated that he was traveling approximately 45 mph
: and was traveling through the intersection when vehicle #2 entered his lane
: of travel. Driver 1# stated that he was unable
: to observe the traffic light for his direction of travel due to sunlight.
: Driver #2 stated that he was proceeding into the intersection in order to
: complete a left turn and had a green arrow for his direction of travel when
: vehicle #2 was struck by vehicle #1.
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g*********1
发帖数: 725 | 14 是呀，郁闷的是今天是节日，律师都休假，找不到人来咨询一下。如果律师嫌case太小
不愿意接，还有没有别的办法可以跟对方保险公司argue? 我们自己跟对方保险argue是
处于弱势地位的。吃亏在没有全保，这样我自己的保险公司就会出面跟对方打交道了。
【在 x*******u 的大作中提到】
: 对你有利啊
:
: lane
: when
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n******r
发帖数: 13312 | |
b********h
发帖数: 2481 | 16 一定一定要找证人，否则很难说清楚。
unable
LD
【在 g*********1 的大作中提到】
: LD今天早上送小孩去幼儿园，刚出我们居住的社区，在交叉路口左转，在有左转绿灯的
: 时候被一辆闯红灯的车给撞了，还好人没事，但是车撞得很严重。LD当时没有找
: witness,警察的报告是这么说的：对方（一老头）没有承认闯红灯，只是说他 unable
: to observe the traffic light for his direction of travel due to sunlight. LD
: 说 ：he was proceeding into the intersection in order to complete a left
: turn and had a green arrow for his direction of travel. 我们的车是半保，打我
: 们自己的保险公司电话，他们不管，估计维修费是6K,打电话给对方保险公司，他们说
: 不能确定是谁的责任，准备赖账。请各位帮忙看看，我们该怎么办？是否要联系律师？
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g*********1
发帖数: 725 | 17 再次感谢各位，今天跟对方保险公司交涉，他们下午回复说同意责任全部在他们那一方
。能这么快有一个满意的结果有点出乎我们意料，因为出事的当天下午，对方保险公司
给我们打电话问询了一下情况以后还声称可能不会赔偿，我认为很大程度上得力于我们
准备的一份statement。我想贴在这儿，以后如果碰到类似的事情也许对大家有启发。
statement:
First, let me tell you some background:
1. The car accident happened at approximately 8:18 AM just in front of the
community (****) where I have lived for more than 5 years. Almost every
morning, I pass that intersection to go to work or drop my kids to the
daycare. I have never tried to make a left turn without green left arrow. (
with Google Map)
2.During my ** years’ driving history, I have never gotten any ticket due
to bad drive behavior. I am very rational and prudent person. *******(omit n
words) , From my training, I do anything very routinely and always step by
step.
Second, let’s see if it is possible for someone to pass that intersection
without left turn signal.
1. The *** rd has heavy traffic flow during the rush hour in the morning (7:
30-8:30 am), the intersection between *** and *** is the most closest
intersection for people exit or enter highway and it is one of the
intersection that right in front of *** where a lot of people work in. The
chance that during rush hour both directions in ** road have no car in this
intersection when green light is on is very small. (Anyone can easily verify
this!). Therefore, any rational person who is in the ** road will not make
a left turn to ** road without the green arrow light.
2. If a person wants to make a left turn from **, he needs to cross 4 lanes
which requires a few seconds, which adds the impossibility to make this left
turn without a green arrow light. Furthermore, there are two left turn
lanes in ** with left turn signal, who will take the risk to make left turn
without waiting for his signal? (with Picture of that intersection).
Third, let’s see some facts about this accident.
In Wednesday morning, as usual, I arrived this intersection and stopped in
my lane around 8:16 am, I waited there for almost 2 minutes to get my light.
Then I saw the four lights in front of me became green (two left arrow and
two front signals). I began to make left turn. Then I was hit. At the
beginning, I even didn't realize what happened. Then I ran out of the car
and asked the other driver (Mr. ***) very angrily "How do you drive? You
didn't see your red light?" He said: "I can't see the light because of the
sunlight!" (I guarantee this conversation). Then he asked me: "are you hurt?
" **** (omit n words).
Fourth, let’s see what police report said:
In the police report it is clearly said: Driver #1 stated that he was unable
to observe the traffic light for his direction of travel due to sunlight.
Driver #2 stated that he was proceeding into the intersection in order to
complete a left turn and had a green arrow for his direction of travel when
vehicle #2 was struck by vehicle #1.
Finally, let's answer the following questions:
1. A person passes that intersection almost every day for more than 5 years,
what is the chance that the person will take the risk to make left turn
without signal?
2. A person who had been waited 2 minutes in that intersection and another
person who ran across that intersection with 45 mph, who can see the traffic
light more clearly?
3. After the accident, a person states that he had a green arrow for his
direction of travel and another person states that he was unable to observe
the traffic light for his direction of travel, what the traffic light that
another person should have? RED LIGHT!
Conclusion: who should be responsible for this? Does the reason that someone
was unable to see the traffic light can justify that he can run through a
red light and hit others?
【在 b********h 的大作中提到】
: 一定一定要找证人，否则很难说清楚。
:
: unable
: LD
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n******r
发帖数: 13312 | 18 ....打叻这么多字。。。版上奖励包子一枚..... |
n***p
发帖数: 7668 | 19 有理有利有节，赞一个。
【在 g*********1 的大作中提到】
: 再次感谢各位，今天跟对方保险公司交涉，他们下午回复说同意责任全部在他们那一方
: 。能这么快有一个满意的结果有点出乎我们意料，因为出事的当天下午，对方保险公司
: 给我们打电话问询了一下情况以后还声称可能不会赔偿，我认为很大程度上得力于我们
: 准备的一份statement。我想贴在这儿，以后如果碰到类似的事情也许对大家有启发。
: statement:
: First, let me tell you some background:
: 1. The car accident happened at approximately 8:18 AM just in front of the
: community (****) where I have lived for more than 5 years. Almost every
: morning, I pass that intersection to go to work or drop my kids to the
: daycare. I have never tried to make a left turn without green left arrow. (
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g*********1
发帖数: 725 | 20 谢谢，经过这件事情，教训是不管新车老车一定要全保，可以省却很多麻烦。
【在 n******r 的大作中提到】
: ....打叻这么多字。。。版上奖励包子一枚.....
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l**********i
发帖数: 11748 | |
e*******l
发帖数: 1269 | |
s********s
发帖数: 388 | |
A**********0
发帖数: 6942 | 24 同样靠谱的是临危不乱，反映快，之前我碰上也是对方全责的事故。
也是早上8，9点的时间，第一时间找到证人要了名字和电话号码。
后来对方保险公司100%赔钱了事。
【在 s********s 的大作中提到】
: 还是车上翻个行车记录仪靠谱。。。
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A**********0
发帖数: 6942 | 25 写的很好，赞一个！
不过angry/how do u drive的那一段如果冷静处理，不是angry而是赶紧找几个证人，
就更好了。
【在 g*********1 的大作中提到】
: 再次感谢各位，今天跟对方保险公司交涉，他们下午回复说同意责任全部在他们那一方
: 。能这么快有一个满意的结果有点出乎我们意料，因为出事的当天下午，对方保险公司
: 给我们打电话问询了一下情况以后还声称可能不会赔偿，我认为很大程度上得力于我们
: 准备的一份statement。我想贴在这儿，以后如果碰到类似的事情也许对大家有启发。
: statement:
: First, let me tell you some background:
: 1. The car accident happened at approximately 8:18 AM just in front of the
: community (****) where I have lived for more than 5 years. Almost every
: morning, I pass that intersection to go to work or drop my kids to the
: daycare. I have never tried to make a left turn without green left arrow. (
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U*****n
发帖数: 1321 | 26 我觉得能让对方全责还有一个重要的原因就是警察报告里面对方说看不清灯吧。如果对
方直接一口咬定是绿灯，左转还是要吃亏的……
【在 g*********1 的大作中提到】
: 再次感谢各位，今天跟对方保险公司交涉，他们下午回复说同意责任全部在他们那一方
: 。能这么快有一个满意的结果有点出乎我们意料，因为出事的当天下午，对方保险公司
: 给我们打电话问询了一下情况以后还声称可能不会赔偿，我认为很大程度上得力于我们
: 准备的一份statement。我想贴在这儿，以后如果碰到类似的事情也许对大家有启发。
: statement:
: First, let me tell you some background:
: 1. The car accident happened at approximately 8:18 AM just in front of the
: community (****) where I have lived for more than 5 years. Almost every
: morning, I pass that intersection to go to work or drop my kids to the
: daycare. I have never tried to make a left turn without green left arrow. (
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n*********n
发帖数: 5605 | 27 得买一个
求推荐
有没有更清楚一点得？
【在 e*******l 的大作中提到】
: 这个有用。
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j*****e
发帖数: 11116 | 28 这个情况我昨天也碰到了，几乎一模一样，我左转，跟着前面一个van，没有左转指示
灯，只有红绿灯，等了半天，van过去了，我稍微看了一下就准备跟着过去。对面直行
冲过来一辆轿车，当时已经蒙了，我就等着听 砰 的一声了，结果对方急刹刹住了，万
幸。
几个points：
1，对方肯定是超速了，local的路，开的飞快
2，当时对方是不是红灯我不清楚，转到一半看不见灯了，如果是绿灯撞上我，我是不
是就得全责了？不过他肯定是超速了。
3，这种路口真的特别危险，如果没有转向的红绿灯，只有直行的红绿灯。前车转过去
以后，你可看见的对面的直行的道路有可能只是一小部分（有车当着，弯路，下坡等）
，你在还是绿灯的时候转，我感觉怎么都要有些risk，除非你就停在intersection中间
等对面直行是红灯了再转，但是估计会被后面滴死（纽约），所以这种过路口非常不
comfortable，纽约车多，基本上是见空就要赶紧转过去，很容易看不清对面直行是否
真的没车了，如果你不抢，有可能n个红绿灯都过不去。 |
K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 29 you've got kid on board, any insurance company will be more than happy to
close the case ASAP. As some ID suggested, you can consider to hire a lawyer
to negotiate.
【在 g*********1 的大作中提到】
: 再次感谢各位，今天跟对方保险公司交涉，他们下午回复说同意责任全部在他们那一方
: 。能这么快有一个满意的结果有点出乎我们意料，因为出事的当天下午，对方保险公司
: 给我们打电话问询了一下情况以后还声称可能不会赔偿，我认为很大程度上得力于我们
: 准备的一份statement。我想贴在这儿，以后如果碰到类似的事情也许对大家有启发。
: statement:
: First, let me tell you some background:
: 1. The car accident happened at approximately 8:18 AM just in front of the
: community (****) where I have lived for more than 5 years. Almost every
: morning, I pass that intersection to go to work or drop my kids to the
: daycare. I have never tried to make a left turn without green left arrow. (
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l******a
发帖数: 16364 | 30 你这个和lz情况太不一样了，她是有左转箭头，直行还是红灯，你这个直行是绿灯，是
你要让对方。下次小心点，左转没箭头得不能跟车！
【在 j*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这个情况我昨天也碰到了，几乎一模一样，我左转，跟着前面一个van，没有左转指示
: 灯，只有红绿灯，等了半天，van过去了，我稍微看了一下就准备跟着过去。对面直行
: 冲过来一辆轿车，当时已经蒙了，我就等着听 砰 的一声了，结果对方急刹刹住了，万
: 幸。
: 几个points：
: 1，对方肯定是超速了，local的路，开的飞快
: 2，当时对方是不是红灯我不清楚，转到一半看不见灯了，如果是绿灯撞上我，我是不
: 是就得全责了？不过他肯定是超速了。
: 3，这种路口真的特别危险，如果没有转向的红绿灯，只有直行的红绿灯。前车转过去
: 以后，你可看见的对面的直行的道路有可能只是一小部分（有车当着，弯路，下坡等）
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l*i
发帖数: 5732 | 31 赶快找律师， 看病先，律师都是拿到钱才收费， 专做这个的诊所也是，
report
【在 g*********1 的大作中提到】
: 对方保险公司打电话来说分不清是谁的责任，还说司机告诉她是绿灯，而警察的report
: 上司机说是看不清交通灯。现在我是该跟对方保险公司argue，还是该怎么办？早上到
: 路口去贴了告示看能不能找到证人，我是不是还应该继续跟对方保险公司argue?
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E*0
发帖数: 63 | 32 想问问楼主，你这份statement是出具给谁的？谢谢！ |
