w******n 发帖数: 13172 | 1 他们俩击球还是有很大区别的,单反/双反,正手握拍方式,拍面大小,线的tension,
击球spin/平击,plow through/brush完全不同啊。装备是为打法服务的。我觉得joker
的装备非常好的发挥了他的打法,ff的也一样。你把他们俩的装备换一下,保证排名至
少掉5位。当然,他们用乒乓球拍也能赢咱们。 |
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w******n 发帖数: 13172 | 2 唉,他从去年美网到现在已经连续3次输给小德了。而且趋势是越输越难看。去年小德
感觉能把ff拼下来是中大奖了,现在已经觉得理所应当的了。 |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 3 That was not 3 consecutive times. You comfortably forgot the multiple
times Federer beat Joker between US Open 2010 and AO 2011. |
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d****t 发帖数: 1284 | 4 十年说不好,但五年之内还是有可比性的。
我觉得joker现在的水平与agassi在2005年us open的水平差不多,但agassi当时在决赛
里对
federer毫无办法。
所以如果这是joker的巅峰水平,那他是比不上federer的巅峰的。
should
the
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g*****n 发帖数: 76 | 5 Chairman Mao said: "It is not difficult to play one good game on a day, it
is difficult to play good games day after day."
Sampras dominated because his game has less demand on his body, and he could
win consistently without getting injured. I bet he could still take on any
player ranked afterTop 50th today. On the other hand, I don't think today's
Agassi can beat players in the Pro circuit.
What makes Fed great is also he wins matches without much wear and tear on
his body. His game relies a l... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 6 In my opinion Joker is no better than himself this time in 2008,
and Federer is about the same as himself this time in 2008.
The 2006 Federer will beat the 2011 Joker 3:0 in any grand slams.
Well, maybe not in French Open.
In fact, I still think currently Nadal is still the strongest in
hard court grand slams (best of 5). Not Joker. |
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w******n 发帖数: 13172 | 7 agassi的发球跟现在的joker比差了一截吧。反手威力也不行 |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 8 Sampras will lose to most pro players ranked within #500.
His performance should be slightly better than Muster, who won
only one challenger match after his return to pro at age 42.
His current NTRP level should be average 6.0. |
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b**********s 发帖数: 9531 | 9 一个有趣的现象是,人们都是倾向于认为自己处的那个时代的顶尖高手强。我爸就说乒
乓球里荣国团直板也能和现在的横板比,因为他看到荣国团直板反手也能加力推。可现
在还这么想,或者还这么练的人肯定跟不上时代了。事务都是在进步的。90年代看球的
人都觉得桑椹牛逼,上个DECADE看球得人都说老费牛逼,因为他们的精彩表演把观众征
服了。另一方面,人都是在进步的:现在的网球运动员和10年前的运动员相比,普遍要
跑得快点,各自糕点,力气大点,拍子也好一点。唯一不能量化比较的是反映和球感。
但综合个方便的比较,现在的网球运动员和10年前的运动员强一点,更加可信。
说回到小德和老费巴,你让小德去和06-07年的老费打,是不可能的。但是06-07年到现
在,老费也在尽量提高,发球更强了,比如去年增加了小球,反手虽然打不过那豆,但
我相信也是他训练的重点。老费的力量,跑动下降了,但对球的反应应该还差不多。但
同样时间里,小德进步更大。
还有,小德比老费强才是应该的,才符合人类进步的总趋势。 |
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g*****n 发帖数: 76 | 10 For how long Muster has ranked in the top 10?
And for how long has Sampras? |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 11 偶从1989开始看球。老费是偶看球这段时间中最强的。
老费从06-07年到现在明显是在退步。他06年的战绩是92-5,10年是65-13。 |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 12 That's why I said Sampras should be slightly better. You need to
notice Sampras is also 40 leh... |
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b**********s 发帖数: 9531 | 13 agassi is a great champion. he had a lot of experience in difficult matches.
that translated into the 1 set won against federer in 05 us open final.
pure technically, joker is better than 05's agassi. but experience-wise, or
psychology-wise, joker still need to catch up agassi in terms of reading the
game, tactics, etc.
my conclusion is that 2011 joker > 2005 agassi. it's hard to compare 2011
federer with 2005 federer, i incline that they are similiar with slice edge
of 2005 federer. |
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a***8 发帖数: 2433 | 14 Fed is still not used to being pushed to limit, he performs best when he can
feel his edge. His overall level hasn't drop much, but mentally he still
has the self esteem as a "king", so he'd rather loss badly by giving it up
with wild misses than fight to the last point and lost it closely - an
indication of his limit is no longer hight than others.
Pete's game is hard to compare, he's the S&V extreme but also can win at
baseline, he's level can't be measured by other players either, so even all... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 15 IMO 2005's Federer can win 2011's Federer 3:0.
2011's Joker can win 2005's Agassi 3:1, or 3:0.
Again, I always think Federer should win that match 3:0, if he
didn't 开小差。
So in my ranking Federer 2005 > Joker 2011 > Federer 2011 >= Agassi
2005.
matches.
or
the
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S***e 发帖数: 4426 | 16 美网之后明明roger赢过joker的。。。
今年以来joker是很棒,不过roger也算不错啦。
反正roger现在早就不能象04-06那样统治了,做费粉的早就应该习惯啦。
事实上,真正能长时间统治网坛的,也就是laver,borg,federer等屈指可数的几个。
sampras都有点儿勉强。。。 |
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d******x 发帖数: 11837 | 17 你说的这些算是风格吧。比如过同样是发上拉夫特和老桑还是有区别,可是打法算是同
一种。。。
换了拍子,就是牌面大小,击球感觉不同,线什么的都可以调啊。要让他们适应一段时
间顾及水平差不到那里吧。。。
现在ff的正手比03,04年的时候spin多了很多了。
joker |
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w******n 发帖数: 13172 | 19 grip都不一样,挥拍就得跟着不一样,怎么能说差不多啊。当然你要说他们都是底线型
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g*****n 发帖数: 76 | 22 Is Sampras not dominating? or too many great players in the same period?
At today's ATP tour, no player out of the top 3 is really competing at the
same level consistently.
At Sampras's era, there were more players rise up to complete at the highest
level, unfortunately, most don't last. |
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S***e 发帖数: 4426 | 23 sampras统治力弱=别人机会多。
roger是把他那一代的great players都打服了,打进十连败俱乐部了。
the
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 24 Domination is a statistic term.
If you finish a year with 92-5 like Federer, you dominated.
If you finish 4 years in a row with 74–6, 81–4, 92–5, 68–9 like
Federer, you dominated for 4 years.
If you finish 6 years at #1 in a row with 85–16, 77–12, 72–16,
65–11, 55–12, 61–17, you still dominated for 6 years, but at a
lower level than Federer's.
What you are saying is trying to explain why it happened this way.
It doesn't change the fact though that "Federer dominated more than
Sampras".
the
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 25 In fact, in the "domination" aspect, nobody comes close to Bjorn Borg,
hehe. |
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S***e 发帖数: 4426 | 26 我也有这个印象。数据我就不知道了。。。
这就是为啥他虽然只有11个大满贯,却能跟laver,sampras,federer相提并论。 |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 27 Borg's career winning ratio is 82.7%, the best in open era.
The only one that might have a shot at this ratio is Laver, who
is 79.5% (note this was after he was 30).
Connors and Lendl are both 81.8%, slightly behind Borg. However,
coming to GS performance, Borg's winning ratio is a stunning 89.8%,
heads and shoulders above anyone else. (Even Federer is only 87.3%.)
Granted Borg retired at age 25, his statistics also included his
early ages between 17-19. So even if he didn't retire, his numbers
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d******x 发帖数: 11837 | 28 that's because the "highest level" is not high enough.
the
highest |
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h*h 发帖数: 18873 | 29
vs
he's getting old,移动慢了 |
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c*******7 发帖数: 465 | 30 楼主能把这么一场球分析的头头是道实在是不容易啊。在我看来无非有两个原因:
1. 菲菲老了;他打得好还是可以打出很牛的球.可是年纪大了,力不从心,注意力下
降,不经意间就被破发,甚至打出很离谱的冲天炮.
2. 小德进步神速;打球的意志力,拼搏精神上了一个档次,关键球不手软,拼角度,
拚底线.
其实这场比赛本来就没悬念,一个逐渐下滑,一个稳步上升,他们的对决,注定就是这
么个结果.
仅此而已.
topspin
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f*****n 发帖数: 18176 | 31 写得好。
在整一篇纳豆的吧。
topspin
overpower |
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t****i 发帖数: 4225 | 32 ff明显在开始走下坡路了,反应和步伐随着年龄的增长而退步,体力也会开始下降。没
听roddick现在的教练说过吗,tennis at that level is all about footwork. 他的
击球技术应该不会有多少变化,但没有了凌波微步,很多球就不好打了,特别是他比其
他的球员击球节奏更快,都抢上升期打,拍面又小,所以他经常击出打飞机的球,这在
别的球员那里是很少看到的。
相反小德,他自从去年美网后,他的意志力和集中力上了一个台阶,技术我倒没觉得有
多少提高,有的话也就是现在发球稳定多了(其实也就是回到他以前的发球了,中间
todd martin让他改发球来着,搞得发球很不稳定)。 |
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w******n 发帖数: 13172 | 33 哎,所有人都拍我,难得你夸一句,搞得我都怀疑你是不是在说反话:-D
等下次豆子打小德我再整一个让大家拍 |
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m**r 发帖数: 9 | 34 how about those young girls vs. Kim Clijster? Isn't Clijster old fashioned?
人类体能进步 can show up in two generations that's only 5 years apart...
then how weak you whould expect the people of 2000 years ago?
should
the
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f*****n 发帖数: 18176 | 35 文笔流畅,论证合理。
多写点,尤其是大赛前。就能同著名的费粉写手分庭抗很。
呵呵。 |
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z*******g 发帖数: 2429 | 36 老费有一次杜拜赛输给刚出道不久的穆雷,赛后还严厉批评穆雷,说穆雷的防守打法没
前途。好搞笑,穆雷没前途还把老费打败了,这不就是输不起么?
说实话,我一直不理解有人说老费人nice,有风度,有贵族气息。四大里老费是最虚伪
的。纳豆心眼小,但是得失都放在脸上。小德风度最好,拿得起,放得下。穆雷虽然场
上骂骂咧咧,但是跟谁都没心结,是绅士风范。 |
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s****t 发帖数: 17096 | 37 那就看看两人的从老费27岁以后的交手记录
这个同龄必胜显然是不成立
法网没有指标性,怎么不说10年和11年小德连续两年美网淘汰老费,还有澳网杜拜,老
费整个11年就赢了小德一个法网,其他全输
要证明的不是老费偶尔可以赢小德,而是所谓的老费同龄必胜,显然是假命题
况且小德在过去几年是处于上升状态
11年的小德肯定没有现在强
11年的老费也没有现在的强
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n*********e 发帖数: 25274 | 38 哦,酱紫。相当于一个全胜年终。
老德年初杜拜没夺冠?
僵尸居然多打了3-4周比赛,包括奥运和戴杯,这体力真好。
牛肉是必不可少的。 |
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o*****e 发帖数: 314 | 40 谁说的,下站杜拜500赛打好多半就有了,还逼纳豆带伤出战
:还差老衲100多分呢。法网以前基本上不太可能第一。
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l********e 发帖数: 3999 | 41 估计不会打
:谁说的,下站杜拜500赛打好多半就有了,还逼纳豆带伤出战
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f**********g 发帖数: 1056 | 43 对豆子是真爱啊!
就是让他死心了,不用去墨西哥,好好休息吧!
大概老费还真在意世界第一。杜拜又不想去。河南近啊! |
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E******d 发帖数: 3514 | 44 墨西哥众高手拼的你死我活,奖金也就杜拜的一半
何苦呢 |
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r******o 发帖数: 122 | 45
他就是吃状态,状态好时就是 big 4 水准,状态烂的时候路人都可以拿下他。
可悲的是,他可以在一场比赛从状态好掉到状态烂。
去年杜拜打 Murray 一堆赛末点拿不下,
在 IW 第一盘还赏 Nadal 一个蛋,然后... 就没了。 |
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M***8 发帖数: 668 | 46 谈不上喜不喜欢,但Vegas当年算人造景点的极致,现在比不过杜拜。
我当年在Vegas赌,赢过几笔后想大赢一票,结果...... 赌徒标准的心路过程走了个遍。
下回你去玩21点试着执行这个纪律:每次赢后只赌一个筹码,输后筹码翻倍(第一次输
后押两个,第二次输后押四个,依此类推,输完就离场)。
玩poker找几个朋友坐一桌,和同桌的他人赌,赢输几人平摊。
把21点、poker当游戏,以一定的金额尽量延长自己的游戏时间,输完就走人,本金算
游戏费用。跟交钱玩snorkeling, diving, parasailing, jet ski, sea fishing等水
上项目一个道理。 |
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t****z 发帖数: 8931 | 47 先到杜拜
然后到肯尼亚内罗毕啥的看看东非大裂谷(值得么,要是和美国大峡谷差不多就算了)
然后进入坦桑尼亚
serengeti safari
乞力马扎罗
然后到塞舌尔海岛上
那个赞比亚维多利亚瀑布值得么,要是和尼亚加拉一瓜素大同小异就算了
南非值得去么,为啥很多人去南非safari?
总之,热点是serengeti,乞力马扎罗和塞舌尔 |
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t****v 发帖数: 9235 | 48 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: kongkongl (lkk), 信区: Military
标 题: 世界新地標 北京3建築入榜
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 2 19:52:07 2012, 美东)
【中央社╱台北2日電】
2012.02.02 06:10 pm
大陸中央電視台新大樓、國家體育場(鳥巢)和國家游泳中心(水立方),日前分別登
上美國著名旅遊雜誌「Travel + Leisure」最佳新摩天大樓第5名及最佳新場館第1、3
名。
法制晚報報導,「Travel + Leisure」日前透過網路投票並發布全球最佳新地標、最
佳經典地標排名。
其中,最佳地標共分為「最佳新大橋」、「最佳摩天大樓」、「最佳新公園和公共場所
」、「最新博物館」、「最佳新場館」等5大類。
最佳經典地標則由法國艾菲爾鐵塔(巴黎鐵塔)稱王。
雜誌表示,地標是每個城市的標誌性區域或地點,能夠充分體現所在城市或地區的風貌
和發展建設,遊客也可以透過標誌性建築,認出自己身在何方,「有北斗星的作用」。
美國有線新聞網(CNN)在報導此一排名時表示,雖然上榜的... 阅读全帖 |
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w****x 发帖数: 8 | 49 本人, 女,征一女伴(年龄不限)乘游中东各国及海峡. |
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M****7 发帖数: 13407 | 50 我今年圣诞估计会去中东。
这几个国家好好玩下来的话, 起码得1+个月啊。。。。。。 |
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