G*******n
发帖数: 6889 | 1 Waffen SS是Wehrmacht一部分，但不是Heer的一部分
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发帖数: 6201 | 2 Wehrmacht和SS Waffen是什么关系？ |
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 3 Moscow or Kiev-- How Germany could have won WW2
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Pt. #1
The Russian Front was the decisive theatre of WW2. If Germany won everywhere
else, but lost on the Russian Front, then they lost the war. But 80% of the
Wehrmacht was employed fighting the Soviets, so if they lost everywhere
else, but they won on the Russian Front, then depending on when these events
took place the Wehrmacht should have been able to shift force... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 27852 | 4 Moscow or Kiev-- How Germany could have won WW2
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The Russian Front was the decisive theatre of WW2. If Germany won everywhere
else, but lost on the Russian Front, then they lost the war. But 80% of the
Wehrmacht was employed fighting the Soviets, so if they lost everywhere
else, but they won on the Russian Front, then depending on when these events
took place the Wehrmacht should have been able to shift force... 阅读全帖 |
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The Russian Front was the decisive theatre of WW2. If Germany won everywhere
else, but lost on the Russian Front, then they lost the war. But 80% of the
Wehrmacht was employed fighting the Soviets, so if they lost everywhere
else, but they won on the Russian Front, then depending on when these events
took place the Wehrmacht should have been able to shift force... 阅读全帖 |
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stoppingtime (李将军又打鸡血了) 于 (Wed Nov 16 12:44:27 2011, 美东) 提到:
前一段时间大家讨论基辅战役的得失，非常热烈。最近读了点文章，也写写自己一点鸡
零狗碎的看法。
首先，德国人的首要目标是什么？希特勒的想法是很明确的，那就是消灭红军主力，而
不是攻克莫斯科 (D. Glantz, The Battle for Leningrad, Kansas Univ. Press, pp.
26)。这个逻辑很自然：如果只是攻克莫斯科，俄国人仍然可以抵抗，从历史上看，俄
国人被拿破仑占领了莫斯科，而俄国人笑到了最后；从现实看，俄国人在列宁格勒有工
业，乌克兰有农业，高加索有石油，顿巴斯有工业，莫斯科的工业可以迁到乌拉尔继续
生产，攻克莫斯科并不意味着俄国就会投降，而如果消灭了红军的主力，俄国人想不投
降也没有办法(说到这里，希特勒向毛泽东抛个媚眼：俺们德国人也是要以消灭敌人有
生力量为主地)。
所以，当战争进行到8月底，中央集团军群在西方面军的顽强抵抗下裹足不... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 27852 | 7 有可能，不过德军机会很大，我觉着有至少80%把握。越早打莫斯科，苏军战斗力越差。时间在苏联一边。
Moscow or Kiev-- How Germany could have won WW2
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Pt. #1
The Russian Front was the decisive theatre of WW2. If Germany won everywhere
else, but lost on the Russian Front, then they lost the war. But 80% of the
Wehrmacht was employed fighting the Soviets, so if they lost everywhere
else, but they won on the Russian Front, then depending on when these events
took place t... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6889 | 8 http://der-fuehrer.org/reden/deutsch/Weisungen/1942-08-18.htm
Führerhauptquartier, den 18. 8. 42
Der Führer
OKW/WFSt/Op. Nr. 002821/42 g.K.
Geheime Kommandosache
30 Ausfertigungen
24. Ausfertigung
Weisung Nr. 46 für die Kriegführung
Richtlinien für die verstärkte Bekämpfung des Bandenunwesens im
Osten
A) Allgemeines
I.) Das Bandenunwesen im Osten hat in den letzten Monaten einen nicht
mehr erträglichen Umfang angenommen und droht zu einer ernsten Gefahr f
ür die Versorgung d... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 14299 | 9
居然有争议说这部自传是虚构的，一大段讨论，自己看吧。
Guy Sajer's book THE FORGOTTEN SOLDIER is rather notorious in the historical
community; the book purports to be the memoirs of an Alsatian who served
with the Division for the last years of the Second World War. Much has been
written on the subject of whether or not the book is a true story or not.
Two articles are presented here, plus an exchange of letters to the editor
to an American military journal. Those curious may wish to obtain a copy of
their own, and to inv... 阅读全帖 |
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b****r
发帖数: 2555 | 10 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
stoppingtime (李将军又打鸡血了) 于 (Thu Sep 15 18:46:25 2011, 美东) 提到:
真是惊心动魄啊。
德国人几乎快被打得崩溃了，结果突然形势急转直下，苏联人被反合围了。包围圈里的
红军高呼着乌拉发起冲锋然后整片整片被打倒。。。
有空了写个连载，算是读书笔记罢。
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vespers (西瓜很好吃) 于 (Thu Sep 15 18:49:04 2011, 美东) 提到:
俄国人还是nb，从沙皇时期就开始屡屡发生这种集团冲锋整片整片被打倒的事情，好像
对军队士气都没什么影响。
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stoppingtime (李将军又打鸡血了) 于 (Thu Sep 15 20:06:11 2011, 美东) 提到:
德国人认为他们是喝了伏特加，就好像美军认为志愿军是磕了药一样。
不过估计在当时的包围圈里不太容... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1184 | 11 Hide
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发帖数: 5873 | 12 references。。
发信人: wh (wh), 信区: WebRadio
标 题: Re: 来学习波哥的讲话
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 7 14:07:37 2009, 美东)
他说的原文是这篇，很长：
发信人: iamwhatieat (我吃故我在), 信区: Reader
标 题: Fascinating Fascism
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 1 02:19:18 2009, 美东)
Fascinating Fascism
by Susan Sontag
New York Review of Books
February 6, 1975
republished in:
Under the Sign of Saturn
(New York, 1980), pp. 73-105.
First Exhibit. Here is a book of 126 splendid color photographs by Leni
Riefenstahl, certainly the most ravishing book of phot... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 82482 | 13 好像前几年调查的是wehrmacht不但杀俘，还杀平民。很多以前认为是waffen ss干的屠
村事件，后来发现其实是wehrmacht干的。
当初战后waffen ss是作为犯罪机构惩处的，wehrmacht没有受到指控，轻松过关了……
这事古今中外，恐怕没有那支军队敢说从来没干过。 |
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 14 On 2 Oct Moscow was located 200 miles NNE of Orel & Bryansk, & the
Wehrmacht was in position to begin Operation Typhoon, the campaign against
Moscow. Within days the Wehrmacht captured the 3d, 13th, 19th, 20th, 24th, &
32d Soviet Armies, capturing over 670,000 prisoners & leaving only 90,000
men & 150 tanks available for the defense of Moscow. On 13 Oct, 12 days into
the campaign, 3PzA penetrated within 90 miles of Moscow, having traversed
110 miles from its start-point. The doom of the Soviet U... 阅读全帖 |
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 15 On 2 Oct Moscow was located 200 miles NNE of Orel & Bryansk, & the
Wehrmacht was in position to begin Operation Typhoon, the campaign against
Moscow. Within days the Wehrmacht captured the 3d, 13th, 19th, 20th, 24th, &
32d Soviet Armies, capturing over 670,000 prisoners & leaving only 90,000
men & 150 tanks available for the defense of Moscow. On 13 Oct, 12 days into
the campaign, 3PzA penetrated within 90 miles of Moscow, having traversed
110 miles from its start-point. The doom of the Soviet U... 阅读全帖 |
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t*n
发帖数: 14458 | 16 台风开始的时候列宁格勒进攻事实上已经处于停滞状态
经过加强的北方集团军群拿不下列宁格勒正说明德国人低估了苏联
李布最后一次尝试之后，第3，第4装甲集群就调往中央集团军群用以加强它
也就是说这时候小胡子的全面进攻已经变成（部分）重点进攻了
也就是说巴巴罗萨计划根本不靠谱
另外你引这段能说明什么？
德军结束维亚济马战役之后立刻就开始了向莫斯科的进攻
就这样都没打下来
说明博克狠蠢？
On 2 Oct Moscow was located 200 miles NNE of Orel & Bryansk, & the
Wehrmacht was in position to begin Operation Typhoon, the campaign against
Moscow. Within days the Wehrmacht captured the 3d, 13th, 19th, 20th, 24th, &
32d Soviet Armies, capturing over 670,000 prisoners & leaving only 90,000
men & 150 tanks... 阅读全帖 |
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w****n
发帖数: 25644 | 19 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: cccpwx (騽，雙羽四足), 信区: Military
标 题: Adolf Hitler Was Right
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jul 7 22:26:50 2016, 美东)
希特勒为何反犹 Adolf Hitler Was Right
MusketeerinFlorida3 weeks ago (edited)
This is one of the best videos I have seen in years! I'm in my 50s. I was
raised in a community that had a large percentage of Germans who immigrated
to the US after WW2. Most of the husbands had either served in the Wehrmacht
or Luftwaffe. They told us boys the truth. They told us what had rea... 阅读全帖 |
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r*****y
发帖数: 53800 | 20 wiki的说法是到11月15日地面才完全冻得坚硬，德军也是此时发动最后的大规模攻势。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Moscow
By 15 November 1941, the ground had finally frozen, solving the mud problem.
The armored Wehrmacht spearheads were unleashed, with the goal of
encircling Moscow and linking up near the city of Noginsk, east of the
capital. In order to achieve this objective, the German Third and Fourth
Panzer Groups needed to concentrate their forces between the Moscow
reservoir and Mozhaysk, then proceed to Klin and Solnech... 阅读全帖 |
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s**r
发帖数: 669 | 21 11月15日前，也没少打吧，进展还是不错的，逼着朱可夫后撤
On 13 October 1941 (15 October 1941, according to other sources), the
Wehrmacht resumed its offensive. At first, the Germans were unwilling to
assault the Soviet defenses directly and attempted to bypass them by pushing
northeast towards the weakly protected city of Kalinin, and south towards
Kaluga and Tula, capturing all except Tula by 14 October. Encouraged by this
initial success, the Germans conducted a frontal assault against the
fortified line, taking Mozhais... 阅读全帖 |
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x*****z
发帖数: 787 | 22 徐 贲
德国的教育体制可以追溯到中世纪，除了在纳粹时期的急剧恶化之外，一直是欧洲最好
的教育制度之一。德国在一次大战（1914-18）中战败后，帝国改制为魏玛共和国，战
后政治混乱，经济萧条，通货膨胀，失业严重，尽管如此，德国的教育仍然可以说是欧
洲最好的之一。德国教育一直贯穿着国家意志，国家主义成为德国文化的主导因素，从
中世纪的日耳曼帝国到1806年以后有名无实的“德意志帝国”，再到希特勒雄心勃勃的
“第三帝国”，“帝国”代表的是一种具有强烈国家主义诱惑的文化理想。理查德 ·
塞缪尔概括了这个概念可能具有的所有含义:“帝国构成了一种超级国家的观念。在理
论上它可以包容所有德国人，同时还可以为包容非日耳曼族的少数民族提供历史依据。
那种语言学的念头从来没有正视过这样一个事实：在德国的许多边境地区，德语与其他
语言已交揉在一起，要想分辨清楚只是枉费心机。”帝国的观念与日耳曼民族的神圣使
命感联系在一起，希特勒用极权统治、战争和种族灭绝的方式来建立伟大的第三帝国，
“按照古代的传说，第三帝国应该是一个永远安宁、和谐的时代，却被扭曲成一个死亡
和毁灭的时代”。[i]
1933年纳粹取得政权... 阅读全帖 |
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k******1
发帖数: 2883 | 23 被米疣这个癌症掏空了。看元首的绝命遗书，对国际犹的控诉，都印证了：
More than thirty years have passed since 1914 when I made my modest
contribution as a volunteer in the First World War, which was forced upon
the Reich.
In these three decades love and loyalty to my people have guided all my
thoughts, actions and my life. They gave me the strength to make the most
difficult decisions ever to confront mortal man. In these three decades I
have spent my strength and my health.
It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted wa... 阅读全帖 |
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L*********d
发帖数: 7037 | 24 告诉他因为中国都是SS没有Wehrmacht。 |
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发帖数: 3530 | 27 http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/robert-fisk-siniste
Robert Fisk: Sinister efforts to minimise Japanese war crimes and portray
the empire as a victim must be exposed
The man known as Abe’s ‘brain’ says Japan has become ‘a hopelessly
pacifist nation’
I had to go to California to learn that Michiko Shiota Gingery, who lives in
the Central Park area of Glendale City, suffers “feelings of exclusion,
discomfort and anger” because her local authority unveiled a memorial to
the innocent Asia... 阅读全帖 |
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r*****y
发帖数: 53800 | 28 而且第二个链接说的是苏联对打败德国贡献最大，这和没有英美苏联也能打败德国是两
码事啊。
我并没有看到这个Historian Andrew Roberts说没有英美苏联也能打败德国。
What about the Soviet Union's part in the war?
The major problem with the historiography of World War II is the Cold War—
it was not in the West's postwar interest to acknowledge that it was the
Russians who destroyed the Wehrmacht, at an unbelievable cost to themselves.
We are just now beginning to acknowledge the Soviet Union's contribution.
Consider that when in August 1944 the Allies closed the Falaise... 阅读全帖 |
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C*******r
发帖数: 10345 | 29 纳粹军呢？Wehrmacht和党卫军都有政治委员吗？ |
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G*******n
发帖数: 6889 | 30 Gegenstoß der deutschen Wehrmacht |
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k*****r
发帖数: 21039 | 31 元首当年不知多遗憾，麻痹的wehrmacht如果有日军一半的战斗精神，德国工业提供了
如此充足和先进的步兵武器，能有个刘佩雷，硫磺，冲绳的日军战斗精神的军队，哪里
至于亡国灭种。 |
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t*****a
发帖数: 5180 | 32 一套独立的行政和军事力量。
元首当年就是觉得wehrmacht处处不听话，搞了waffen SS, LAH, D, 和T 这三个装甲师
团，所向披靡。 东线什么地方最困难最危险，只要把这三个师团调去，就能解决问题
。 斯大林格勒失败后，一个反击，又夺回了乌克兰的第二首都哈尔科夫。 |
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G*******n
发帖数: 6889 | 33 不是质疑白俄罗斯战役的战果么？毛子就把六万Wehrmacht offizieren und soldaten
赶出来展览，把西媒妓者的脸扇得肿肿的 |
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M**2
发帖数: 811 | 34 胖子必须吸取小胡子的教训，来次大清洗。
４５年４月，红军１００多万根鸡巴，在６０００多坦克，２万门大炮的掩护下，打入
德国首都柏林，乱日柏林少女少妇。小胡子在地下指挥所，痛苦的拉着自己的胡子，总
算明白过来，麻痹的上台后没有彻底清洗wehrmacht里面的剥削阶级败类，才是自己失
败的根本原因。麻痹的柏林如果有５０万日军硫磺岛１０９师团那样战斗精神的部队，
红军根本没戏。
元首最后一次会见干部战士的图片，就是给击毁过红军坦克的希特勒青年团员发铁十字
勋章。元首悲愤的说，你们比我的将军们都更勇敢。 |
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G*******n
发帖数: 6889 | 35 0:19到0:22，自行高炮乘员把feldmutze反戴，帽檐在脑后，直到今天都被世界各国男
女青年仿效 |
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c****x
发帖数: 6601 | 36 希特勒为何反犹 Adolf Hitler Was Right
MusketeerinFlorida3 weeks ago (edited)
This is one of the best videos I have seen in years! I'm in my 50s. I was
raised in a community that had a large percentage of Germans who immigrated
to the US after WW2. Most of the husbands had either served in the Wehrmacht
or Luftwaffe. They told us boys the truth. They told us what had really
happened. My girlfriends mother had been born in 1933 and been raised in the
Bund Deutsche Model, a part of Hitler Jungend. We hear... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 37 希特勒的演讲水平没治了，听着德文的，看着英文的字幕，都能听得热血沸腾，这tm就
是一种gift啊
希特勒的演讲语速快，但是很有力很清晰，非常有煽动性
可惜了
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发帖数: 1598 | 38 Dong
immigrated
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发帖数: 1 | 39 这个是最直接的原因
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m**c
发帖数: 7349 | 40 According to the Soviet mythology, 28 soldiers from the Red Army's 316th
Rifle Division, mainly recruits from the Kazakh and Kyrgyz Soviet republics,
stood unflinching against the advancing might of Hitler's Wehrmacht.
The men, from a larger division led by Maj Gen Ivan Panfilov, were all
killed, but destroyed 18 German tanks before they fell. |
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t*****a
发帖数: 5180 | 41 42年夏天，wehrmacht正高歌猛进高加索，土耳其蠢蠢欲动要参战呢。 |
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发帖数: 632 | 43 Ferdinand Losses
The Battle of Kursk is, perhaps, the most famous tank battle in history. In
that battle, the Ferdinand assault gun was introduced, seemingly invincible,
with the most powerful tank gun fielded by the Wehrmacht to date. Due to
the relatively few numbers of Ferdinands manufactured, it is possible to
account for nearly all of them.
Ferdinands from s.PJA. 654 were sent to the railroad station of Ponyri, and
many of them met their end there. Tank.UW.ru has a list of the damaged tanks... 阅读全帖 |
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k******2
发帖数: 1396 | 45 邀请格格回哈佛大学读性心里学博士，顺便外F米疣banker生混血宝宝，继承大位。
哈佛大学授予你包叔名誉法学博士学位，校长亲自来华颁与。 你包叔立即兴奋的换了
名片：
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Dr. Kingpin Shit (PhD, Harvard, 2019)
Der Fuhrer, PRC
Oberstgruppenfuhrer, CCP
Oberstgruppenfuhrer, Central Mil Committee/OberstKommand de Wehrmacht (OKW)
Email: [email protected], Ph: +86 188 5428 5428
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k*****r
发帖数: 21039 | 46 错。
从装备到人，全部换了。
西德才是有不少前Wehrmacht军官任职。 |
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b****a
发帖数: 4465 | 47 如果这真的发生了，那也是 RP 问题。二战时期的瞄准镜性能都不咋地。在欧洲战区（
European Theater of Operations，缩写ETO），镜子的倍率基本在 1.5 倍（德国的
ZF41）到 4 倍（ZF4）之间。而且只有很简陋的分划（这里有个 post reticles，不知
道 post 做何解），顶多在中近距离上凑合瞄准人体大小的目标。除此之外，也许对那
时候的狙击手而言，缺乏高质量弹药才是最大的限制因素。
去年夏天，我在内布拉斯加和我的朋友 Dave Emary 搞了一些有意思的射击实验，他是
Hornady 公司的弹道专家。我们都是二战迷，于是乎，我和他一起搞了一些老枪做实
验。有些枪是纯粹的原装货，有些则加了些现代装备。比如我的那杆加了 ZF41 的
K98K 就是完完全全的德国原装，可以在那本《Backbone Of The Wehrmacht Volume 2
》查到。只是那个镜子成像太暗，我只好用 Numrich Arms 的现代仿品代替了。
在内布拉斯加，靠着 Dave，我们可以用一个 1000 码的私人靶场来进行我们的实验。
既有够用的场地，又有... 阅读全帖 |
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k*****r
发帖数: 21039 | 48 大清洗是好事儿，给一大批优秀年轻将领腾了位置。
元首败亡的时候，痛心疾首，就是没有对军队搞大清洗。 不然整个wehrmacht都有
waffen SS的战斗精神和战斗力，西线就能把登陆的米英军全灭了。 |
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k*****r
发帖数: 21039 | 49 大清洗是好事儿，给一大批优秀年轻将领腾了位置。
元首败亡的时候，痛心疾首，就是没有对军队搞大清洗。 不然整个wehrmacht都有
waffen SS的战斗精神和战斗力，西线就能把登陆的米英军全灭了。 |
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t******g
发帖数: 10390 | 50 大哥，你激动个啥子，我又没骂你。
我是最近在图书馆借了本guns of the reich里缴获武器部分读到的才贴的。
书我还了，google了一下russian pistol in wwii，这里的wiki说了。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TT_pistol
The Wehrmacht captured a fair number of TT-33s and issued them to units unde
r the Pistole 615(r) designation. This was made possible by the fact that Ru
ssian 7.62 mm Model 1930 Type P cartridges were nearly identical to the Germ
an 7.63×25mm Mauser cartridge.
说是毛瑟弹可以用于苏军手枪，因为只有口径相差0.01mm。没有说是一定得用德国鬼子
的鲁格子弹。
另外波波沙也是这个原因相仿，但是弹夹接口好像不一样，德军专门发转换器来使用。 |
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