H*********S
发帖数: 22772 | 1 scripted or unscripted都不是重点
这个节目叫＂Live＂其实不是live，ABC敢于把如此言论给aired，这就是大大的错误 |
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 2 Critics pointed out that the kids appeared prepped since none of the 4 kids
even wondered what was 1.3 trillion dollars and were able to immediately
come up with various outrageous solutions. This strongly suggest that Kimmel
's team orchestrated/scripted the show. More-over, even if the show was
unscripted, Disney had the opportunity to edit out the genocidal "joke"
immediately and chose not to. Kimmel obviously practiced race-baiting by
singling out the Chinese debt (when the Chinese hold only... 阅读全帖 |
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G****a
发帖数: 32 | 3 unscripted不会有法律责任, 至少可以狡辩, scripted就是黑纸白字, 教唆操纵小孩参
与种族, 暴力言论的证据 |
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z****n
发帖数: 589 | 4 看到了。但说的还是80-20的那封道歉信。强调了是"unscripted comment"。
ABC apologizes for joke on 'Kimmel' about killing Chinese people
The unscripted comment from a young boy came during a comedy bit where kids
comment on news events.
LOS ANGELES (AP) — ABC is apologizing for a segment of Jimmy Kimmel Live in
which a child joked about killing Chinese people to help erase the U.S.
debt.
The boy's unscripted comment came during a comedy bit in which youngsters
commented on news events. The skit, aimed at poking fun at c... 阅读全帖 |
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B*********y
发帖数: 266 | 5 》这个一点让我高兴不起来，那个SB记者一连用了好几个unscripted给ABC洗地，难道大
家看不出来？她凭什么说是unscripted?truth has not been told yet!
确实不爽，不过不必太纠缠 这个。Unscripted or not, ABC/Disney is legally
responsible for allowing and not condemning hate speech and violence against
humanity.
还记得 那次的super bowl , Janet Jackson 的事件吗？
For the Super Bowl XXXVIII halftime show in February 2004, Justin Timberlake
tore open Janet Jackson's top and exposed her right breast.
事后，Jackson 和 Timberlake 都反复道歉。 Jackson： “I am really sorry if I
offended anyone.... 阅读全帖 |
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c********i
发帖数: 942 | 6 很不错，报道还算比较客观。不过报道里也说unscripted comment，采用的还是ABC的
说法。
one child at the table suggested in an unscripted comment that America “
kill everyone in China.” |
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f********4
发帖数: 2883 | 8 火候一到，这个案子对我们可以说是铁板钉钉地稳拿，而且应该是大笔赔偿。
我认为他们一定会让这个案子在进入trial之前就庭外和解了，这是因为有两个因素：
第一，从法理上来说他们已经输定了，试想如果这个案子得到全世界的关注，有特别是
其他少数民族如日裔议员HONDA的支持，他们怎么敢当众打自己人权民主价值观的脸，
说我们就是有权倡导种族灭绝呢？就是有权决定一个种族的生死呢？
第二，他们有一个大辫子被我们抓住了，这就是这个秀实际上肯定是由他们的专业写手
团队事先写出脚本来的。
一开始《The Huffington Post》公然夸赞杀光中国人这个节目是有史以来最好的政治
脱口秀，几天之后，USA TODAY发文报道ABC事件，在描述那个白孩子杀光中国人的话时
用了一个形容词：“unscripted comment”, 没有脚本的评论。这篇文章整个聊无新意
，显然“unscripted comment”就是文章所要说的，key words。为什么他们要刻意说
明这点呢？因为如果是事前就由专业写手写出来的，那责任性质就有很大变化了，就不
仅是对孩子的不当言论疏忽审查这样的责任了，因为事件的Int... 阅读全帖 |
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f********4
发帖数: 2883 | 9 火候一到，这个案子对我们可以说是铁板钉钉地稳拿，而且应该是大笔赔偿。
我认为他们一定会让这个案子在进入trial之前就庭外和解了，这是因为有两个因素：
第一，从法理上来说他们已经输定了，试想如果这个案子得到全世界的关注，有特别是
其他少数民族如日裔议员HONDA的支持，他们怎么敢当众打自己人权民主价值观的脸，
说我们就是有权倡导种族灭绝呢？就是有权决定一个种族的生死呢？
第二，他们有一个大辫子被我们抓住了，这就是这个秀实际上肯定是由他们的专业写手
团队事先写出脚本来的。
一开始《The Huffington Post》公然夸赞杀光中国人这个节目是有史以来最好的政治
脱口秀，几天之后，USA TODAY发文报道ABC事件，在描述那个白孩子杀光中国人的话时
用了一个形容词：“unscripted comment”, 没有脚本的评论。这篇文章整个聊无新意
，显然“unscripted comment”就是文章所要说的，key words。为什么他们要刻意说
明这点呢？因为如果是事前就由专业写手写出来的，那责任性质就有很大变化了，就不
仅是对孩子的不当言论疏忽审查这样的责任了，因为事件的Int... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 10 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: firekimmel (Fire Kimmel), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: ABC 虚假道歉后的方案
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 29 15:00:40 2013, 美东)
媒体集体噤声数日之后，开始报道 Jimmy Kimmel 节目不当言论一事。在 Google 中输
入 ABC apologizes 可查得。这些报道都以ABC之前的私人信件作为道歉，USA Today
中还增加了“The boy's unscripted comment”等字眼。 ABC 从未正式声明Jimmy
Kimmel 节目是unscripted。 而这个script可能是电视台最想藏起来的东西。
我们很多人到 FCC 投诉，有帖说已接到回信，以言论自由为由不予调查。虽未核实，
但这是有可能的。Paula Deen 的其他种族言论是在一个雇佣歧视的案子中揭露出来的
，而不是FCC的调查。
游行取得的成效最大。
现在必须面对一个问题，接下来怎么办？我们不急于达成协议，也不急于立刻让这件事
平息。但如果缺少组织... 阅读全帖 |
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l*******G
发帖数: 1191 | 11 这个一点让我高兴不起来，那个SB记者一连用了好几个unscripted给ABC洗地，难道大
家看不出来？她凭什么说是unscripted?truth has not been told yet! |
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T******e
发帖数: 31 | 12 一点建议：Poster说是one child in the table suggested in an unscripted
comment...你怎么知道是unscripted的，而不是事先有排练的。。。建议楼主去掉这个
词。这个词很关键！ |
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w*********r
发帖数: 488 | 13 我跟你的想法正相反，这位议员的策略是对的。你跟他们纠缠到底是预谋还是不可控，
又在“你撒谎！”“我没撒！”“你撒谎！” “我没有”之前扯皮，模糊了问题的焦
点，unscripted的是小孩，之后主持人也没有更正小孩，后来还接着说这茬，那根本不
是unscripted or not的问题。 |
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f********l
发帖数: 112 | 14 媒体集体噤声数日之后，开始报道 Jimmy Kimmel 节目不当言论一事。在 Google 中输
入 ABC apologizes 可查得。这些报道都以ABC之前的私人信件作为道歉，USA Today
中还增加了“The boy's unscripted comment”等字眼。 ABC 从未正式声明Jimmy
Kimmel 节目是unscripted。 而这个script可能是电视台最想藏起来的东西。
我们很多人到 FCC 投诉，有帖说已接到回信，以言论自由为由不予调查。虽未核实，
但这是有可能的。Paula Deen 的其他种族言论是在一个雇佣歧视的案子中揭露出来的
，而不是FCC的调查。
游行取得的成效最大。
现在必须面对一个问题，接下来怎么办？我们不急于达成协议，也不急于立刻让这件事
平息。但如果缺少组织协调，各种意见、方案竞争，电视台也不清楚该和谁谈，最后不
了了之。当然也可能又有人把我们莫名其妙地“代表”掉了。
我们缺少一个真正代表在美华人的组织来协调各方意见，向ABC提出要求并协商。希望
大家一起出谋划策。 |
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t******n
发帖数: 2939 | 15 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
firekimmel (Fire Kimmel) 于 (Tue Oct 29 15:00:40 2013, 美东) 提到:
媒体集体噤声数日之后，开始报道 Jimmy Kimmel 节目不当言论一事。在 Google 中输
入 ABC apologizes 可查得。这些报道都以ABC之前的私人信件作为道歉，USA Today
中还增加了“The boy's unscripted comment”等字眼。 ABC 从未正式声明Jimmy
Kimmel 节目是unscripted。 而这个script可能是电视台最想藏起来的东西。
我们很多人到 FCC 投诉，有帖说已接到回信，以言论自由为由不予调查。虽未核实，
但这是有可能的。Paula Deen 的其他种族言论是在一个雇佣歧视的案子中揭露出来的
，而不是FCC的调查。
游行取得的成效最大。
现在必须面对一个问题，接下来怎么办？我们不急于达成协议，也不急于立刻让这件事
平息。但如果缺少组织协调，各种意见、方案竞争，电视台也不清楚该和谁谈，最后不
了了... 阅读全帖 |
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U*E
发帖数: 3620 | 16 【 以下文字转载自 Texas 讨论区 】
发信人: roc999 (James Bond), 信区: Texas
标 题: 自制的抗议Jimmy Kimmel的facebook status模板
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 29 07:50:38 2013, 美东)
用来抗议Jimmy Kimmel的facebook模板。 欢迎大家放到自己的fb上面。
Do NOT shift the blame to the kid. It is about ABC.com and Jimmy Kimmel Live
chose to write and air the racist joke.
The show was not live. It was produced in the afternoon, hours before it was
aired. The show was not unscripted. It has its writer, Jimmy's wife Molly
McNearney.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/bu... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 17 http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/20/libya.protests/index
(CNN) -- The son of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi early Monday proposed the
speedy implementation of significant democratic reforms in the traditionally
restrictive country, while warning of a chaotic civil war, return to
colonialism and mass poverty if citizens sided with anti-government
demonstrators.
"Tomorrow, we can speak rationally, we can spare the blood, we can stand all
together for the sake of Libya," Saif al-Islam Gadhafi... 阅读全帖 |
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A*****a
发帖数: 52743 | 18 你知道什么是unscripted questions不？ |
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c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 19 The boy's unscripted comment came during a comedy bit in which youngsters
commented on news events. The skit, aimed at poking fun at childish
politicians, aired last week on Kimmel's late-night talk show.
全把责任推给孩子了？！
JK和节目制作人的责任呢？ |
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K*****2
发帖数: 9308 | 20 他们一定会强调unscripted, 要不然就上纲上线了 |
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c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 21 一个不是现场直播的节目，
用unscripted来搪塞从制作到播出的全过程
这不是自欺欺人吗？
这种“道歉”的态度，是断然不能接受的 |
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c******s
发帖数: 2163 | 22 我觉着不只是这个所谓unscripted, 还有最后用了一个 UPSET Chinese, Asian
American, upset 这词太弱了， 看了这道歉我就来气。 |
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w********e
发帖数: 8594 | 23 请解释为什么"Kill everyone in China" 是个interesting idea。这句话是Scripted
还是Unscripted（当然不重要啦）？ |
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 24 Critics pointed out that the kids appeared prepped since none of the 4 kids
even wondered what was 1.3 trillion dollars and were able to immediately
come up with various outrageous or silly solutions. This strongly suggest
that Kimmel's team orchestrated or scripted the show. Moreover, even if the
show was unscripted, Disney had the opportunity and responsibility to edit
out the genocidal "joke" immediately and chose not to. Kimmel also obviously
practiced race-baiting by singling out the Chines... 阅读全帖 |
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v*******e
发帖数: 11604 | 26 不信不信！
这事得上法庭，上了法庭他就难说谎了。 |
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n******1
发帖数: 3756 | 27 这个才是好事，如果ABC将脏水泼向小孩，我们乐观其成
如果小孩家庭通过媒体反击ABC，那我们就可以看戏收成了
但关键要有媒体跟进ABC这种说法 |
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 28 Critics pointed out that the kids appeared prepped since none of the 4 kids
even wondered what was 1.3 trillion dollars and were able to immediately
come up with various outrageous solutions. This strongly suggest that Kimmel
's team orchestrated/scripted the show. More-over, Kimmel obviously
practiced race-baiting by singling out the Chinese debt (when the Chinese
hold only 1/7 of US national debt, and other races hold nearly as much or
slightly less). Demonstrations were held or in planning st... 阅读全帖 |
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m*******l
发帖数: 12782 | 29 看好,别被鬼子把这段删除了
kids
Kimmel
and |
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x*****u
发帖数: 6559 | 31 abc不是sb，他说的没有写稿子，不是说没有提前准备。 上了法庭也没用。 现在连一
个律师都没有说有意向接手。 等有了律师再说吧。 |
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m***o
发帖数: 1367 | 33 moreover is one word. you don't need the hyphen.
kids
Kimmel
and |
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T*******a
发帖数: 23033 | 34 就是。丫zher说狗狗不邪恶也是尼玛睁眼说谎。 |
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w********e
发帖数: 8594 | 35 你咋抱着Zher咬个不停呢？有世仇？现在大敌当前，先抱着Disney/abc咬吧。 |
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T*******a
发帖数: 23033 | 36 主要反美，顺便骂zher，因为狗狗是美帝邪恶的一部分。 |
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T*******a
发帖数: 23033 | 40 也就说说狗狗邪恶。丫zher实在脑残，尼玛叔有时真想开车去美结果了丫的。 |
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 41 Critics pointed out that the kids appeared prepped since none of the 4 kids
even wondered what was 1.3 trillion dollars and were able to immediately
come up with various outrageous solutions. This strongly suggest that Kimmel
's team orchestrated or scripted the show. Moreover, even if the show was
unscripted, Disney had the opportunity and responsibility to edit out the
genocidal "joke" immediately and chose not to. Kimmel also obviously
practiced race-baiting by singling out the Chinese debt (... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 42 LOS ANGELES (AP) — ABC is apologizing for a segment of "Jimmy Kimmel Live"
in which a child joked about killing Chinese people to help erase the U.S.
debt.
The boy's unscripted comment came during a comedy bit in which youngsters
commented on news events. The skit, aimed at poking fun at childish
politicians, aired last week on Kimmel's late-night talk show.
ABC's apology came in response to a complaint from a group called 80-20 that
identifies itself as a pan-Asian-American political organizati... 阅读全帖 |
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b****l
发帖数: 23606 | 43 瞧美宣部这地洗的。
a child joked.....
boy's unscripted....
"
that
says |
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n******1
发帖数: 3756 | 44 ”The unscripted comment from a young boy came during a comedy bit where
kids comment on news events.“
基本看到都提到了，有些做成副标题 |
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c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 45 亮出来，让俺们观摩观摩？
千万别拿那个“unscripted”糊弄事儿！ |
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z********1
发帖数: 997 | 46 1， unscripted？ then where do you get the idea? who are your parents?
LOL
2. scripted, then turn it to ABC
:) |
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A**********7
发帖数: 639 | 47 从媒体发出的报道可以看出，他们很狡猾的强调"unscript"，"comedy", "child",就是
想把事情往小孩身上推，让我们投鼠忌器。
再游行的话应该大幅列出他的原话，Should we allow them to live? etc.
要点出他作为成人行事的distasteful. |
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 48 http://entertainment.time.com/2013/10/28/kids-say-the-most-divi
On Monday, protesters marched through the streets of San Francisco carrying
pictures funny-man Jimmy Kimmel’s face—with a Hitler mustache drawn above
his lip and a swastika by his side. More than 100 people, largely Asian-
Americans, were still fuming about a skit that aired on Kimmel’s late night
show earlier this month.
In the midst of the government shutdown, Kimmel gathered a “Kid’s Table”
to comment on the current state of affa... 阅读全帖 |
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r****9
发帖数: 4961 | 49 【 以下文字转载自 Texas 讨论区 】
发信人: roc999 (James Bond), 信区: Texas
标 题: 自制的抗议Jimmy Kimmel的facebook status模板
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 29 07:50:38 2013, 美东)
用来抗议Jimmy Kimmel的facebook模板。 欢迎大家放到自己的fb上面。注意确保link
有效。
Do NOT shift the blame to the kid. It is about ABC.com and Jimmy Kimmel Live
chose to write and air the racist joke.
The show was not live. It was produced in the afternoon, hours before it was
aired. The show was not unscripted. It has its writer, Jimmy's wife Molly
McNearney.
http://www.washingt... 阅读全帖 |
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k**0
发帖数: 19737 | 50 我觉得这样了结很好了。
没人起诉根本就不可能让他被fire, 说到起诉你们觉得证据足够么？从头至尾他本人并
没有同意这个论点， 而且ABC说了小孩子的话是unscripted, 根本没有马脚可抓。 |
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