B*******n 发帖数: 20645 | 1 no bulls alive?
this is unreal ...... |
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k******r 发帖数: 4011 | 3 是啊 前天我还 4k unrealized 现在 -2k 了 跌势凶猛 |
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H******k 发帖数: 690 | 4 Realized gain in stock A: 2k, need to 报税
unrealized loss on stock B: can't claim yet.
If you're looking at total, it's a loss. For tax purpose, you can only claim
the realized gain on stock A. |
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r***l 发帖数: 9084 | 5 ib自动生成8849,研究了下,我理解大概是这样的
生成8849表格,然后看最后的sales price, cost or other basis和adjustment to
gain, loss (由于wash sale的影响) 的total项,option和stock会分开写,就把对应
的分别加起来,比如
stock:
sales price: 10,000
cost of other basis: 5,000
adjustment: 1000
option:
sales price: 20,000
cost of other basis: 10,000
adjustment: 2000
那么总total就是
sales: 30,000
cost: 15,000
adjust: 3000
那么你去年的captal gain就是30,000-15,000+3000=18,000
大家可以在生成2011的年度报告,看里面realized and unrealized gain,里面的
realized gain的数字应该和你上面算出的18000基本吻合。我的两个ib账户都有几毛的
差别... 阅读全帖 |
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t******e 发帖数: 1293 | 7 还有就是我在2012年3月份都卖掉了,实际上赚到的钱只有3k,
比这个unrealized gain还是少很多,所以,我完全不知道他们
怎么得出这个"current year increase (decrease)"的。
所以大家最好不要持有proshare的股超过年底。
outstanding
on
gain, |
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B*******n 发帖数: 20645 | 8 faint.
This is so UNREAL . . . . . . |
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t********t 发帖数: 5415 | 9 收盘后unrealized P&L经常和position加出来的P&L有很大出入...桌面版和iphone版都
是,有谁能指点下?盘后交易也没见剧烈震荡啊 |
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l*********m 发帖数: 16971 | 10
your reputation is bad, haha, you are poor because you have only unrealized
gain |
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o*******w 发帖数: 2310 | 11 She is a "nerd" lady or book-worm.
Did something unreal to be famous... |
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r*m 发帖数: 16380 | 12 let's blame tiger son! I lost $80 (unrealized)on it right now! |
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p***t 发帖数: 174 | 13 这个版比我交易透明的不多吧。all my transactions P&L, regardless winning or
losing, realized or unrealized, 我都贴出来了。 我承认,这几年离一百万还差几
笔。不过迟早的事 |
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m*****o 发帖数: 2084 | 14 我先来。
UWBK,也曾是这个班上的股票。
unrealized loss 95%, 约 300 $. |
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E***r 发帖数: 1037 | 15 这种理论,至少这种表述方式,是片面的。realized loss 和 unrealized loss 有实
质性的区别:一是 tax treatment;二是投资者对于后者会一直惦记、等待解套时机,
而前者是 done deal、做完就忘了。 |
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W***n 发帖数: 11530 | 16 AIG Profit Climbs 27% to $2.33 Billion on Investments
By Zachary Tracer and Noah Buhayar - Aug 2, 2012 5:43 PM ET
American International Group Inc. (AIG), the insurer majority-owned by the U
.S. Treasury Department, said profit increased 27 percent on investments and
improvements at its property-casualty unit.
Net income rose to $2.33 billion, or $1.33 a share, from $1.84 billion, or $
1, a year earlier, the New York-based insurer said today in a statement.
Operating profit, which excludes some ... 阅读全帖 |
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s******e 发帖数: 696 | 17 - in the conference call, cfo said current factury ultilation is around 60
pct. but they are seeing strong demand so next quarter production will
increase and ultilation will go to 90 pct. this is for their component
segment of their business. although they currently almost make 0 profit due
to chinese competition, the higher ultilation will help gross margin.
- for their system business, they still have about 6 billion dollar of
unrealized revenue. these will be realized from now till 2014.
- t... 阅读全帖 |
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p*********w 发帖数: 606 | 18 【 以下文字转载自 Chinook 俱乐部 】
发信人: philofellow (大智若愚), 信区: Chinook
标 题: 问一个税的问题
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 13 17:33:43 2012, 美东)
现在炒股是不是30%的税?
假设两种情况,一种是买大盘一直持有,一种是不断买卖个股。
买大盘一直持有的话一直是unrealized gain,一直不交税,买个股不断买卖要交税。
这样算下来每年做个股的话要超越大盘30%才合算?
是吗?
多谢! |
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b*******e 发帖数: 6389 | 19 不是net的问题,而是realized和unrealized在税法上的区别。税法只算realized。 |
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e******d 发帖数: 1077 | 20 不知道。是这样的,比如我同一股票买了10块钱,8块钱各买1000股,price是9块。当
股票9.5的时候,卖1000股,本以为会赚500,其实却亏500,剩下的1000股cost basis
变了,那没卖的1000股,unrealized profit成了1500. |
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p***t 发帖数: 174 | 21 五毛你就别出来秀智商了。回报曲线是Merrill Edge的, realized/unrealized gain
history是IB的。老子好几个帐号,大帐号还没秀呢。
坑王五毛,我们做一个游戏。跟我一起count to 1 million. 我就用IB帐号trade to 1
million,别的帐号都不算。 你天天骂,我月月秀。 嫉妒羡慕恨死你! |
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s******1 发帖数: 65 | 22 请教一下大家一个浅显的问题:
假设我2012年已经有realized gain 1千块,unrealized gain 2千块,那是不是在12/
31前把浮亏股票卖出,实现2千块亏损,就不会被tax了?
更细一点的问题是:是realized loss越多越有利于报税(比如联邦或者州税能deduct
掉所有的loss),还是只要是0就可以了?
谢谢大家! |
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s********i 发帖数: 17328 | 23 这个图是mutual funds钱的进出,不是mutual funds主动买卖而是被动买卖,主动买卖
钱不会离开mutual funds。啥是mutual funds(including ETF)?就是散户。mutual
funds大量赎回(不管是个人投资账户还是401k)就得卖股票。散户从mutual funds拿
回的钱一部分去了fixed income,一部分去了cash。股市涨跌和散户出入是相辅相成的
,所谓追涨杀跌,这就是stupid散户的操作(well,they often think they are
smarter than the rest)。做为聪明的散户(so called intelligent investors)应
该buy low,sell high。做为dummy散户,应该不为所动,Dollar-Cost Averaging,定
期rebalance或者只买不卖,any gain or loss都是unrealized,只有最后用钱的时候
卖掉的才是realized gain,假设股市大趋势是向上的,一般来讲最后总是gain的。 |
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a*****e 发帖数: 16445 | 24 疯了,尼马卖房的疯了,如果这价钱有人买尼马买房的也疯了。同时尼马我在北京的房
子unrealized gain也赚疯了,呵呵呵 |
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z*b 发帖数: 158 | 25 一直水下N米,憋了4个月了,现在还亏13% 呢,unrealized loss $4000,不知道啥时
候出水。 |
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r***e 发帖数: 1840 | 26 relax dude. You got dividend. If I remember well, its ex-dividend day is
today.
This stock is expected to be high volatility. And it's unrealized loss. Let
money work for you. You can relax(or wash more dishes ;) )
We'll celebrate over $30(Don't quote me even I have positions on this stock
over the last 2 days). |
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s****7 发帖数: 2507 | 27 5月到现在Unrealized loss -0.3%!
看大牛们show off 100%,羡慕嫉妒
是个股票就狂涨啊,除了我的 |
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c*******g 发帖数: 203 | 28 25%左右的realized gain loss, 算上unrealized gain loss,大概66.7%.
跟着名菜大牛操作的RAS,8.23出的。最近操作了另外一个,5.5左右的均价,现在9块
左右。
本人超级菜鸟,搞了几年,一直亏费,今年终于出水。。。祝愿各路大牛青蛙发财。 |
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S******g 发帖数: 116 | 29 数字假想的
Rolling Down Covered Call
1. Buy SPY @ 167, sell weekly 167 covered call @ 1
2. SPY @ 166, 167 weekly covered call @0.35
3. Roll down 167 weekly covered call (0.35) to 166 weekly covered call (0
.9)
4. SPY @ 165, 166 weekly covered call @0.35
5. Roll down 166 weekly covered call (0.35) to 165 weekly covered call (0
.7)
Summary:
Positions: SPY @ 165 & 165 weekly covered call @ 0.7 with premium from
covered call of 1+0.65+0.35=2 and unrealized loss of 167-165=2
如果SPY收盘高于165, 收... 阅读全帖 |
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p***t 发帖数: 174 | 30 take profit 不?心里没底呀。unrealized gain可以眨眼就没。 |
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o*******2 发帖数: 147 | 31 经常看到一些帖子,谈到这个OPTIONS真是谈虎变色。其实OPTIONS是兵器库中一大杀器
,好玩的很,有那么可怕吗?哥赶脚童鞋们没有掌握OPTIONS的基本概念和技巧,哥有
必要跟大家谈谈话。
基本OPTIONS有四种, long call, long put, short call, short put. 前俩个不淡,
教科书讲得很清楚。那short call, short put干什么用的?
卖(short)PUT, 是用来接盘的, WSN的那个接盘。哥举个例子来说。看到FB了吗?一
夜之间丑小鸭变女神,想得到吗?想呀。没问题,下个MARKET的ORDER, (FB现在,
JULY 25 10:48pm EST, 是$34.36)保证女神跟你回家。天天看着高兴。如果被忽悠了
怎么办哪?哥教你一招,保你才色双收。赶早卖(short)一个AUGUST 34 PUT @ $1.
62. 等八月二十三,如果FB高于$34, 女神是接不着了,但是你收了$162 ;如果FB低
于$34,接盘吧,接在$34.36-$1.62=$32.74.
卖(short)PUT 是用来买的。这就是哥的股市... 阅读全帖 |
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m*********o 发帖数: 465 | 32 牛,学习了
卖(short)PUT, 是用来接盘的, WSN的那个接盘。哥举个例子来说。看到FB了吗?一
夜之间丑小鸭变女神,想得到吗?想呀。没问题,下个MARKET的ORDER, (FB现在,
JULY 25 10:48pm EST, 是$34.36)保证女神跟你回家。天天看着高兴。如果被忽悠了
怎么办哪?哥教你一招,保你才色双收。赶早卖(short)一个AUGUST 34 PUT @ $1.
62. 等八月二十三,如果FB高于$34, 女神是接不着了,但是你收了$162 ;如果FB低
于$34,接盘吧,接在$34.36-$1.62=$32.74.
卖(short)PUT 是用来买的。这就是哥的股市第一哲学,买就是卖,卖就是买!会买
还要会卖!买中有卖,卖中有买!
卖(short)CALL, 就是甩盘了?YA!卖CALL, 可以用来止损(partially)。 哥的
150股FB是去年$21.15进的,女神接回家,就没打算放手。FB那怕是到零,哥也无怨无
悔. 哥对FB有信心,女神就是女神。只有长期占有,才能体会女神波的此起彼伏。哥现
在如果要想take profit, 卖一个 ... 阅读全帖 |
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o*******2 发帖数: 147 | 33 经常看到一些帖子,谈到这个OPTIONS真是谈虎变色。其实OPTIONS是兵器库中一大杀器
,好玩的很,有那么可怕吗?哥赶脚童鞋们没有掌握OPTIONS的基本概念和技巧,哥有
必要跟大家谈谈话。
基本OPTIONS有四种, long call, long put, short call, short put. 前俩个不淡,
教科书讲得很清楚。那short call, short put干什么用的?
卖(short)PUT, 是用来接盘的, WSN的那个接盘。哥举个例子来说。看到FB了吗?一
夜之间丑小鸭变女神,想得到吗?想呀。没问题,下个MARKET的ORDER, (FB现在,
JULY 25 10:48pm EST, 是$34.36)保证女神跟你回家。天天看着高兴。如果被忽悠了
怎么办哪?哥教你一招,保你才色双收。赶早卖(short)一个AUGUST 34 PUT @ $1.
62. 等八月二十三,如果FB高于$34, 女神是接不着了,但是你收了$162 ;如果FB低
于$34,接盘吧,接在$34.36-$1.62=$32.74.
卖(short)PUT 是用来买的。这就是哥的股市... 阅读全帖 |
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m*********o 发帖数: 465 | 34 牛,学习了
卖(short)PUT, 是用来接盘的, WSN的那个接盘。哥举个例子来说。看到FB了吗?一
夜之间丑小鸭变女神,想得到吗?想呀。没问题,下个MARKET的ORDER, (FB现在,
JULY 25 10:48pm EST, 是$34.36)保证女神跟你回家。天天看着高兴。如果被忽悠了
怎么办哪?哥教你一招,保你才色双收。赶早卖(short)一个AUGUST 34 PUT @ $1.
62. 等八月二十三,如果FB高于$34, 女神是接不着了,但是你收了$162 ;如果FB低
于$34,接盘吧,接在$34.36-$1.62=$32.74.
卖(short)PUT 是用来买的。这就是哥的股市第一哲学,买就是卖,卖就是买!会买
还要会卖!买中有卖,卖中有买!
卖(short)CALL, 就是甩盘了?YA!卖CALL, 可以用来止损(partially)。 哥的
150股FB是去年$21.15进的,女神接回家,就没打算放手。FB那怕是到零,哥也无怨无
悔. 哥对FB有信心,女神就是女神。只有长期占有,才能体会女神波的此起彼伏。哥现
在如果要想take profit, 卖一个 ... 阅读全帖 |
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l**o 发帖数: 1380 | 35 sorry YY at 40.00
其实这是两个问题:1. Sell winners. 2. Hold on to losers.
所以我unrealized gain经常是负的。
卖了跌的,我可以卖回来。卖了接着涨的怎么办?追着买么? |
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m******u 发帖数: 12400 | 36 NEW YORK, Aug. 7, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Eagle Bulk Shipping Inc. (Nasdaq:
EGLE) today announced its results for the second quarter ended June 30, 2013
.
For the Second Quarter:
Net reported loss of $3.0 million or $0.18 per share (based on a
weighted average of 16,968,750 diluted shares outstanding for the quarter),
compared with net loss of $23.1 million, or $1.46 per share, for the
comparable quarter of 2012.
Net revenues of $44.2 million, compared to $48.5 million for the
comparable qu... 阅读全帖 |
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c****y 发帖数: 3592 | 37 是不是unrealized gain/loss一律不算税
realized gain/loss一律算税?亏损抵消上限3k |
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b*******e 发帖数: 6389 | 38 Unrealized 5 million dollars gain or +37% in 45 days. not bad.
Need to travel for several months to relax. |
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b*******e 发帖数: 6389 | 39 Unrealized 5 million dollars gain or +37% in 45 days. not bad.
Need to travel for several months to relax. |
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r***l 发帖数: 9084 | 40 just my point of view, if this is the case, next time whatever there is an
IPO, we just no-brain buy because big boys won't let it go down under IPO
price before unlock of IPO. Sounds unreal to me....look at facebook. It went
down below IPO price next day of IPO day and just came back recently. I am
sure FB's underwriters still make big money. |
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B******e 发帖数: 1142 | 41 是unrealized loss吧,有realized gain,就会这样。 |
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m*p 发帖数: 65 | 42 每个星期填表会问“这个星期有没有额外收入”?我股票每星期都有些realized gain
,但今年总体来说也没赚(因为黄金下水很多,现在还是unrealized loss),不知道
填No要紧吗?
谢谢建议! |
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f****n 发帖数: 3036 | 43 某只股票A今年已经有realized gain 100k。多次短线交易后现在还持有的A有
unrealized loss 10k,请
问当天卖出A,再买入A能冲抵之前100k的收益么 |
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C***i 发帖数: 486 | 44 1. 请问是年底前 一定要交个ESTIMATE么?还是和别的一起报?
2. 另外,缴税的话,按照Realized Gain/Loss来就好吧?
3. 如果账户 Realized Gain/Loss是负的,但是 Unrealized Gain/Loss是正的,只
要股票不卖就不用交吧?
4. 多个账户的话,直接COMBINE Realized Gain/Loss 就好了是吧?
谢谢 |
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G********p 发帖数: 3504 | 45 嫉妒
this story is unreal |
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d*****d 发帖数: 10658 | 46 我以前也这样的,试着把unrealized 和realized gain两栏都删了,就不会心慌慌了。 |
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P*******o 发帖数: 3165 | 47 不错, unrealized gain应该更多吧 |
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l******2 发帖数: 5522 | 48 撤,基本都是unrealized gain,
他最多开走一辆二手accord |
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t*****9 发帖数: 10416 | 49 unrealized 报个 p 税呀,等割肉的时候,指不定-3000刀拉还打不住呢 ~~~ |
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S*P 发帖数: 7575 | 50 1月1号算起realized gain=9880
unrealized loss=100,000 |
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