s***i 发帖数: 1363 | 1 这么说吧, 就现在这个轨迹发展, 场均 15分 8助攻不难吧。 就小林往内线冲的那个
能量,小易能做到,我就为小易喝彩了。 小易在NBA打了几年了,你看到啥上升的轨
迹了? 你一定要一个先发10场的undraft二年级球员直接干掉联盟火力最强的球队?
heat今年的目标是总冠军, NYK在小林没来前,啥水面,你看NYK的比赛吗? 小林带队
10场 8-2,咋在你嘴里就是一直失败到很久, 这太可笑了。
乔丹算巨星了吧, 新秀赛季公牛队取得了38胜44负的战绩名列东部第七杀入季后赛,你还要小林咋发展, 你带队进东部4-6 已经不错了。
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b***o 发帖数: 61 | 2 1. 林是一个 NBA 水平的 PG, 但是他没有 Top Talent。如果让他和 NBA 别的
PG 单对单, 比“控球”,“投篮”,“传球”,他肯定不是 Top 20。这也是他没有被
draft, 接连被 cut的原因。
2. 林的长处在智商,个性,和 leadership。这都需要一段时间观察,才能体现。
所以综合而言,他可以成为一个 Top 10 PG。
3. 林在 Knicks 的成功归功以下几个因素:教练以PG为中心的进攻系统,赛季半程
大多球员都比较疲惫,别队对他的防守不够(对比赛和林都不够重视)。
4. 林在媒体的成功 的成功归功以下几个因素: Against Stereotype (亚裔,
Harvard), Cinderella Story (undrafted/cut/bench to best rookie), 他在NYC。
5. 下半赛季预测:林会有Top 5 PG 的stats。 Knicks 进季候赛,第一轮出局。 |
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l*****o 发帖数: 835 | 3 NB
我也从不看NBA,对NBA也一窍不通。
就是觉得林应对媒体挺得当,而且心态也很好。支持LIN
说碰到一个以PG为中心的教练,中心你妹,哪个队离开了PG能活????????以前
nba都是纯控卫牛逼,现在锋卫摇摆人横行天下,无论何时PG都是牛逼的,有好控卫才
能阻止其进攻,篮球是五个人的游戏,这才是lin被undraft最本质的原因,因为draft
的时候球探都是看3v3表演赛,你看过纽约之前的比赛没有????? 德安东尼都让甜
瓜去组织了,纽约就是没有好PG,你有啥办法,总要有人控球过半场组织好不好,你自
己打打五人篮球就知道那个感觉了
说lin不是top talent,这是废话,不过说到1v1,lin是第一次首发,刚适应,
德隆cp3和维斯布鲁克刚开始不也是二笔??? 当然lin很难达到cp3的水平,也没有维
斯布鲁克的先天身体这是事实,可是nba之前的纯PG斯托纳什小孩哪个身体无敌了??
?? PG压根就不是需要talent的,牛逼如唱戏,也是阅读和老油子的球打得溜,运球
麻痹谁比火箭当年的街球王厉害???可是哪有个狗屎用???
还说到什么放手不够? 楼主你看过比赛没有就在... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****9 发帖数: 9501 | 4 January 17, 2012, 8:37 PM
Knicks Send Two Bench Warmers to D-League
Jeremy Lin and Jerome Jordan became the first Knicks ever assigned to the D-
League on Tuesday, when team officials sent both players to the Erie
BayHawks.
Lin, an undrafted point guard from Harvard, was signed by the Knicks in
December to provide bench depth after Iman Shumpert was injured. Jordan, a 7
-foot center, was a second-round pick in 2010 who played abroad for a year
before joining the Knicks.
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l*****9 发帖数: 9501 | 5 激励了所有亚裔和所有下狗,大胆追求梦想。
From undrafted to talk of the league
From afterthought to all over TV,
I tell you hard work is the key, but uh
This is what can happen when you dream
I'm Jeremy Lin |
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l***o 发帖数: 1111 | 6 UP!
下面是英文原文:
The Evolution of a Point Guard
from NYTimes
By HOWARD BECK, Published: February 24, 2012
ORLANDO, Fla. — The most captivating strand of the Jeremy Lin mystique is
that he came from nowhere, emerging overnight to become a star, after being
underestimated and overlooked, disregarded by college coaches, ignored in
the N.B.A. draft and waived twice in two weeks.
The narrative is well-established, factual in its broadest strokes and
altogether flawed, or at least woefully incomplete.
Jer... 阅读全帖 |
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b********7 发帖数: 12906 | 7 对一个2年纪, undrafted来说, 那个数据已经超牛B了。 |
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l***o 发帖数: 1111 | 8 http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/14366/lin-was
By Jared Zwerling
NEW YORK -- To Jeremy Lin, Mike D'Antoni was more than his Knicks head coach
. He was his career savior.
After going undrafted, not getting a real shot with three NBA teams (the
Mavericks, Warriors and Rockets), being sent down to the D-League three
times, Lin found himself at the end of the Knicks' bench -- wondering,
praying, hoping he would get a chance.
Then, on Feb. 4 against the Nets, at the mecca for basketb... 阅读全帖 |
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g***c 发帖数: 11523 | 9 标准的underdog故事呀
而且小林是真实版的underdog
再加上亚裔+哈佛+高智商+undrafted+被两个队抛弃
最后神一般7连胜
这个故事肯定会拍电影的,而且肯定会得奥斯卡
当然,最主要是在大部分WSN心理引起共鸣
大家突然发现,自己有一天也可能成功 |
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C*****a 发帖数: 107 | 10 By BRIAN MAHONEY, AP Basketball Writer 26 minutes ago
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NEW YORK (AP)—The New York Knicks say Jeremy Lin is having left knee
surgery and will miss six weeks, likely ending his amazing breakthrough
season.
The team said Saturday the point guard had an MRI exam this week that
revealed a small, chronic meniscus tear.
The Knicks will continue to turn to Baron Davis in place of Lin, the
undrafted Harvard alum who became the starter in February and turned in a... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****9 发帖数: 9501 | 11 Requiem for a LinBy Will Leitch Facebook Twitter ShareThis Counter Email We
probably should have been more suspicious of Jeremy Lin's knee injury than
we were. For the past week or so, we didn't blink when coach Mike Woodson
said "if" Lin comes back, when the Knicks kept Lin away from the press for a
few days, when Lin was being scratched from the lineup earlier and earlier
each day. We guess we just didn't want to believe it. But it's true: Jeremy
Lin isn't coming back.
Some frayed knee cartila... 阅读全帖 |
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t******o 发帖数: 5314 | 12 David Thorpe, Scouts Inc.: Probably that Melo and Smith spoke out before the
final decision was made. Melo came to New York to be the savior, and he
does not want some little undrafted Harvard dude to take that role. That
much seems obvious.
truth told. |
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l*****9 发帖数: 9501 | 13 Jeremy Lin could be Knicks’ tradeable chip for high-profile player
By Steve Popper / The Record (Hackensack N.J.)
Tuesday, July 17, 2012
The deadline arrives Tuesday night, the one for the Knicks to match the
Houston Rockets’ offer sheet for Jeremy Lin — not the Mayan calendar
deadline for the end of days.
Actually, it seems as if it might be more important.
There may never be a phenom like Lin at Madison Square Garden again. There
certainly never was a more-hyped marketing machine, but if the K... 阅读全帖 |
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y***i 发帖数: 279 | 14 这个就真不好说了,只能说这个价钱对火箭来说绝对值,对林来说也绝对算很好的合约
了。第三年拿到15M,已经是或者很接近顶级PG的价位了。
小林不是国际球员,所以适应起NBA来应该和其他本土球员没有差别。他的STRUGGLE其
实是典型的undrafted或者二轮选秀后排的共有挑战:机会。当然不排除种族的因素,
毕竟前无古人么,大家都有疑问也算了一理解吧。这个和姚明不同,姚明是状元,虽然
大家也有些疑问,地位和机会是有保证的。但适应NBA或者说美国需要时间,这一点姚
明做得非常不错。
不过这些都是过去时了,向前看,如果小林去火箭,他已经拿到了机会,能不能打出来
就看个人能力和运气了.衷心希望他能成功。 |
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d*****s 发帖数: 5610 | 15 高中毕业没拿到奖学金完全是种族问题,undrafted或者二轮选秀后排的共有挑战是典
型。
只不过种族问题就是先扼杀你在摇篮里面,然后其他就可以用fair play了。 |
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i*********r 发帖数: 5101 | 16 这是典型的无赖伎俩。小林凭什么欠他们的?因为小林是undrafted?是asian?
NY daily news 是典型的一帮soap opera 记者在那帮nyk瞎忽悠。 |
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a*******d 发帖数: 3041 | 17 Jeremy Lin is an all around good guy. That doesn't mean he isn't capable of
making a mistake or two every now and then.
When Lin found out Houston Rockets rookie Jeremy Lamb had been traded to the
Oklahoma City Thunder, he decided to give Lamb a call to wish him good luck
with his new team.
Unfortunately, Lin called the another rookie, Scott Machado, by mistake.
"I was like, 'Hey, it's Scott, it's not Jeremy,' " Machado told Ultimate
Rockets of his conversation with Lin. "'Did you hear something... 阅读全帖 |
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t******o 发帖数: 5314 | 18 姚明第一年的时候也是被人看不上的。想想一个undrafted minimum salary内线黑哥们
,面对黄皮肤竹竿身材状元秀的时候是不是特别来劲。 |
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e*******e 发帖数: 9616 | 19 Ray Felton: Lin deserves ovation
Updated: December 17, 2012, 11:52 AM ET
By Ian Begley | ESPNNewYork.com
Linsanity Returning To New York
Ian Begley previews Jeremy Lin's return to New York for the first time since
becoming a member of the Rockets.
Tags: Ian Begley
NEW YORK -- Will New York Knicks fans greet Jeremy Lin with a warm reception
or will they shower him with boos?
It's one of the more interesting dynamics surrounding Lin's return to
Madison Square Garden on Monday night.
Raymond Felton... 阅读全帖 |
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e********3 发帖数: 18578 | 20 同意,Rubio真心没觉得比林书豪综合实力强,但是给吹成那样,那么高位的选秀,对
比的林书豪是undrafted. |
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G*******s 发帖数: 10605 | 21 马努和帕克是他们的管理层发现他们那个顺位搞本土的实在没前途,而国际上的有些人
不怎么被关注,这个算是捡了大家没跟上形势的漏,后来大家开始关注,姚明成了状元
这个因素贡献了不少,甚至小易都是沾了这个光
TB那个也不是纯捡漏,爱国者知道他们需要的是哪种人,他们对character要求比较高
,而且当时TB在大学不算顶级,给爱国者撞上了(如果爱国者真的感觉TB后来能够成就
如此那么绝对会前两轮拿下,这个要是给别人不小心捡漏那个损失不计其数)
可以开个贴专门讨论选秀被所有人都忽视的牛人,Ben Wallace是落选者,Jeremy Lin
也是落选者.NFL里面undrafted里面打出来的也不少:校花,安东尼大门,Priest
Homles, 肉末,Wes Welker等等 |
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e********3 发帖数: 18578 | 22 作为Undrafted球员,第三个赛季就能排在第28名,坐稳主力,怎么都算over
achieving了吧? |
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i********c 发帖数: 7033 | 25 他是典型莱利门徒,莫宁这种old school的。一方面是感念莱利的知遇之恩吧,给了
undrafted的他机会; 另一方面他出身长大在miami,又在uf读的大学,背后的纹身都是
fl地图的。
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p****p 发帖数: 3360 | 26 这句说的真好。
但是credit不仅是邓肯的,许多应该是pop的。除了第一个冠军是和罗宾逊一起拿的。
大家可以回头看看pop用的其他主要得分手都是什么位置被draft到的。
Parker 28th
Manu 57th
Leonard 15th
Splitter 28th
Danny Green 46th
Gary Neal Undrafted
小市场,可是人家硬是能小成本挑选出珍珠来。总工资还不过奢侈税的线。相比之下,
湖人和miami这种堆积HOF的做法是不是容易多了。
前两天有一个帖子说pop过分被崇拜了,您得找出几个比他好的再说啊。
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和魔术。 |
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s*********h 发帖数: 6288 | 28 嗯嗯,我也不是黑他。
不过一个undrafted player,才2年结束,技术缺陷明显的后卫掌控球权,就算是有一
段时间hyper,也是不太可能的,抛去华人的情感因素在里面。
确实给猴娃好好喂喂球,空位三分练出来,可能还会混个中产。 |
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p****p 发帖数: 3360 | 29 非常同意。Lin从undrafted打到目前这个地步已经是异数了。挺佩服他。 |
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m*******a 发帖数: 4507 | 30 If NCAA can change its rules and allows all undrafted underclass players to
go back to schools playing then it will be a win-win situation for NCAA and
NBA. |
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b********7 发帖数: 12906 | 31 还幻想总冠军。 看看队里这些人。 当家球星大胡子。 本来就是雷霆第六人。你见过
那个第六人当家拿过总冠军的? 再看帕森斯,二轮秀, 小林, undrafted, 猴娃,
多经典的有身体没脑子的大前锋体型打中锋位置的代表啊。 剩下的都是别人不要的垃
圾货。 莫雷这种操作捡便宜是没问题, 靠拾破烂想拿总冠军就是做梦啊。 如果这样
的队都能拿总冠军, 其他有真巨头的不要撞豆腐撞死了。 |
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e********3 发帖数: 18578 | 32 数据说话,林书豪永远成不了詹姆斯,杜兰特这样的巨星,毕竟这个联盟是顶级摇摆人
的天下,如果身体健康,继续进步,成为联盟6-10名的首发控卫还是很有可能的。
这里就看出来黄种人吃stereotype的亏了,森林狼可以用第五第六的顺位摘下Rubio,
Flynn,前者综合而言我没觉得比林书豪强,但是牢牢占据主力位置,而且还号称想拿顶
薪,哈哈;后者已经混到澳大利亚联赛去了,更不要说被林书豪夏季联盟打爆的状元沃
尔。对比而言,undrafted靠自己努力一点点往上爬,哪怕林书豪的上限就是联盟中等
水平的首发控卫,也堪称励志了。
北京时间12月5日,美国篮球网站解析了本赛季至今所有球员的突破数据。结果林书豪
的表现令人惊讶,他是唯一一个4项主要数据都跻身联盟前10的球员,毫无疑问已跻身
联盟最强突破手的行列。
场均依靠突破得到的分数
在这份榜单上,小牛得分后卫埃利斯高居榜首,他每场单单依靠突破就能得到7.9
分。林书豪则排在第7位,他场均利用突破得到6分。另外这份榜单还有几个值得注意的
名字,帕克场均利用突破得到6.6分,排在第4,哈登以5.9分的表现排在第7。
突破后的投篮成功率
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e********3 发帖数: 18578 | 33 如表攻击篮筐和跳投的实力差了林书豪几条街,防守也不如,这水平也想拿顶薪,呸。
但这也就看出来林书豪被种族歧视的严重,如表综合实力肯定不如小林,但是可以让森
林狼拿5号签去签他,还等他几年,林书豪只能undrafted。 |
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e********3 发帖数: 18578 | 35 Ben Wallace is probably the most successful undrafted NBA player. |
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g***c 发帖数: 11523 | 36 小胡子让无数球员拿到了他们根本不敢想的大合同
估计最牛逼的是小厮,尼玛玻璃人,n年如一日的拿着联盟顶薪
小林,undrafted,被小胡子点石成金
现在尼克杨,基本预订今年最佳第六人,明年估计能拿到一年800-1000W的大合同 |
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t******o 发帖数: 5314 | 37 小斯受伤前在纽约很牛逼,林undraft是gm有眼无珠,杨明年拿不到8m合同,和小胡子
都没啥关系。jj和diaw的合同倒是得感谢小胡子。 |
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h******b 发帖数: 6055 | 38 再励志也不如林啊。
Undrafted加哈佛到Linsanity。 |
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e********3 发帖数: 18578 | 39 他们俩其实是很好的搭档,都很无私而且也很卖力积极,都是undrafted, nothing is
handed over to them。
floor,
that
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e********3 发帖数: 18578 | 40 都是外国人,都是undrafted,都是毒药丸合同,都是被当成建队基石忽悠来火箭然后
沦为替补,球风又互补,小林这场打的好跟阿西克上场时间长也有关系,而且两人完全
互补,没有任何竞争关系,win-win的relationship我很看好两人基情四射。
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e*f 发帖数: 1709 | 41 By G-le:
Hello mr. Clutch
before I start blasting and cursing at you, and your basketball ignorance,
just let me tell you that I do appreciate your effort for putting this board
up, and running it all this years.
I would be what you call around here a LOF. I despise that description, but
its a starting point for what I am about to say. Since NBA is much more of a
show than its a sport, I have always followed it that way. Before Lin, it
was Stojakovic. Before that is was Kukoc. Before Kukoc start... 阅读全帖 |
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n******r 发帖数: 4455 | 42 NBA以前的没有什么关联性
到NBA利拉德是第六顺位,最佳新秀,林undrafted,到处被裁 |
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e********3 发帖数: 18578 | 43 Lillard was drafted 6th in the first round and there is no other legitimate
ball handler in his team, and Lin was undrafted and has a ball hog named
Harden on his team. He is not the chosen one for the league, but definitely
the chosen one for Blazers, everybody in the team is willing to screen for
him and has ball in his hand all the time, and what kind of role Lin played
and support he got from his teammates and coaches?
Just put Lillard in Rockets with Harden on his side and McFail as his hea... 阅读全帖 |
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i********c 发帖数: 7033 | 44 哈队最励志的是undrafted,莱利给了他一次机会,至此涌泉相报。天赋不出众却能
以勤奋赢得尊重的典型。
所谓,感君恩重许君命,太山一掷轻鸿毛。
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e********3 发帖数: 18578 | 45 去年替补就打得有声有色,典型的talent不够靠勤奋补,undrafted,PG位置的阿娇。 |
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t******o 发帖数: 5314 | 46 whiteside的经历要比林曲折的多啊,除了没有哈佛和undrafted这两个。 |
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d******3 发帖数: 209 | 47 这赛季Spurs的比赛一场不落的看,这几天最大的惊奇是Baynes.
这哥们真的质变了,一个赛季一直都拿不住球,上篮总被盖,篮板拿手里也被拍走。
但连续两场垃圾时间拿职业最高分(16分)后,突然变的自信了:能上篮,也能拿到篮
板了,居然还敢单打勾手进。一下子就能轮换了,终于理解为什么Popo总给他上场时间
,锻炼的机会。
上半赛季,一直培养新秀Anderson,很多次首发,一直在轮换阵容,结果这哥们一直打
得特别差,那就先去D-league,打得好再看看。
之前赛季也一直给Bonner机会,但这哥们防守一直都没明显进步,这赛季也就多了抛投
,所以还不能进入轮换。
Ayres 和之前被裁的Daye 都是在季前赛打得很好,之前一直认为比 Baynes打得好,但
都是很多机会把握不住,没打出来。
Mills 伤愈后直接把Joseph的替补给占了,尽管各种投不进,但是还是大把时间。直到
前两场,终于是:你恢复真不好就慢慢练吧,还用Joseph。
之前例子也有很多,比方Gary Neil和Blair,低顺位或者undrafted都能培养出来后,
去别的对却不行。
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g*m 发帖数: 4659 | 48 这个“烂货”登上骑士赢球后的podium已经两次了,今年季后赛。
呵呵。undrafted from St.Mary,he'll stay in NBA for a long time. |
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e********3 发帖数: 18578 | 49 现在这几个主力,JR和Shumpert是半卖半送给骑士的,Delly是undrafted底薪球员,
Mozgov在西部垫底球队之一的丹佛把板凳坐穿,这样都算真大腿那湖人现在的阵容也是
群星璀璨了。
迈阿密热队几乎是四进总决赛从教练到球员的原班人马,还补强了全明星边缘球员Deng
和Dragic连东部的季后赛都进不了,这真大腿真牛逼。 |
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