f*********r 发帖数: 7485 | 1 大taper ==> 大跌
预期10Bi 会怎么样?
如果不taper,会不会大涨? |
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k*****a 发帖数: 1463 | 2 Well beaten sector, bottomed and will continue to soar on FED's news.
Taper priced in, but non-taper is not priced in. |
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z***e 发帖数: 5600 | 3 Builders are one of the most depressed sectors by the taper because of
expectation of higher rates. Continuing QE is super bullish for builders
esp. if higher mortgage rate is the one holding up the Fed from tapering.
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o**o 发帖数: 3964 | 4 按8倍lecerage粗略估算,今天应该涨6毛左右,所以股价有点虚高。如果她们也赌了今
天会taper,那实际盈利比这还会更少。同时暂时不taper意味着净利息收入减少影响股
息。所以还是不看好这股票,除非跌到20左右再进。 |
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b*******e 发帖数: 6389 | 5 2013 Q3的ER结果其实不差,而Model S出货量受制于电池产能,订单已经排到明年。
当然TSLA是被极度高估的股票,加上tapering的阴影,其实不管这次ER如何都会跌。
也许后面有双顶,也许没有。无论如何tapering绝对不是个好消息,对股市来说。 |
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f*********r 发帖数: 7485 | 6 怕taper QE,AGNC怕taper
還有個原因是AGNC出來的財報不好 (好像是) |
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g****e 发帖数: 1426 | 7 今年不taper,既使明年taper,也是渐渐的,每个还是有那么多钱流进股市。so buy dip
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t******r 发帖数: 1036 | 8
我是说你指望Yellen来taper是不实际的
她不会主动taper的
另:美国国债谁来还?
不是股民!!
是下一代 |
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g****e 发帖数: 1426 | 9 跌但我一点都不担心.taper 开始时就是金银大漲的时候。时间不远了.
在19.x加过一次,如果到18.x就再加。还记得1年多前就讲taper了,应该没有多大下跌
的余地了。 |
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l******r 发帖数: 4021 | 10 这个。。。你说反了。美国利率低,所以前段时间才有房市的复苏。加州的房价已经超
过2007年的高点,全美各大主要城市的房价都被推动上涨。最近利率上涨,加上可能的
taper,所以房市开始缓和下来。至于股市最近的狂涨,是不是taper之前的疯狂,不好
说。
中国情况不一样。首先,由于中国人的传统,“安家立业”,安家首先是要有一个自己
的住所,所以中国人有钱了,第一件事情就是买房子,这就是大家常说的钢需。其次,
由于人口基数的原因,再加上城市化,对房子的需要量远没有达到饱和。最后,在这种
钢需的趋动下,有钱人都愿意购买不动产作为投资 保值的工具。在这几种合力之下,形
成了一个饱满的不动产供求链。 |
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g****e 发帖数: 1426 | 11 还能多低。天天taper or not taper,都跌。 |
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r**m 发帖数: 1825 | 12 Gold price will not be stable until the tapering "news" becomes reality,
stop tapering -> interest rate up -> dollar goes strong -> Gold price down. |
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t******r 发帖数: 1036 | 13
你说反了
现在一有taper的猜想,10年利率就往上涨
联储真不可能taper |
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y****3 发帖数: 825 | 14 等到tapering变成现实的时候,股市就到顶了。热钱退出股市,引发剧烈通货膨胀,金
银就会重拾升势。只是市场往往有提前量,tapering还没有开始,股市就会找借口滞胀
了。 |
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m*********a 发帖数: 3299 | 15 我没有看熊了。只是觉得风险大了,上涨的可能空间不到。调整的可能性开始有了。
紧紧是gut feeling。当然调整的借口是federal tapering。
可是股市变成熊市,靠tapering是不够的。因为FED可以开始QE4,5。
股市还是涨,最多美元贬值。
所以即使是调整,也要看MM的心情的。 |
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c*******y 发帖数: 1630 | 16 今年还不能投票,HAWK们走的走,散的散,现在换老佛爷当家还是最DOVE的。
剩下Fisher来喊Taper,中午喊一次,刚又喊一次,
要Guideline啊,Fed doesn't exist to make rich richer啊
MKT还是呼呼涨,这脸打的。
不过话说回来,BIG GUYS也不见得都做好准备了,到时候树倒猢狲散,难以相信会那么
有序。
熊熊太可怜了,被squeeze了一波接一波。现在唯一靠得住的FISHER也是废物一个了,
还指望
边taper边维持利率低位。现在都是TRADE MONEY FLOW,图的就是FED的PAPER LOSS。
改变不了富人更富,穷人更穷的局面 |
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B**********r 发帖数: 7517 | 20 Tapering又能怎么样?都吵作恐吓这么久了,我就要买被tapering压低的全世界新兴国
家。 |
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f*********r 发帖数: 7485 | 21 我早就說了,taper利息自然就會高,高了美國財政部就受不了 所以taper都是很困難
的事情,更別說高利率了 |
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h*****e 发帖数: 3624 | 22 为什么taper 10b是错的,因为fed计划taper 20b
楼上的哥哥姐姐们误解我了 |
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g**a 发帖数: 2129 | 23 安神到现在还没出现。说不定今天真会taper,或者公布一个taper计划。然后开始瀑布
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f*********r 发帖数: 7485 | 24 你說反了,我賭沒有taper,不過覺得沒啥意思不想玩了,反正那麼多股票在那裡,沒
taper會漲 |
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J*******r 发帖数: 2945 | 26 1:Taper了,暴涨,因为taper的少;
2:GDP数据又被篡改了,涨,过两个月再改回来,大家都当没看见;
3:就业数据都是临时工凑出来的;
4:Holiday sales其实一年不如一年,人均债务确竹子开花节节高;
5:实业越来越少,泡沫行业企业百花齐放;
6:似乎大家都没注意UPS/AMAZON的问题,现在FeDex/UPS周末都要送货赚钱了,是不是
发展空间有限了? |
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f****r 发帖数: 5118 | 27 我觉得奥8马把伯南克赶下台,就是不愿意在自己任期内,看到FEB Tapering,耶伦上
台后,如果和奥8马合作的话,tapering速度的强度应该小很多,一直到2016年,奥8下
台,完全结束QE |
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m******e 发帖数: 536 | 28 我怎么觉得明天还是比较悬,联储很可能继续taper。还有一个关键的星期四GDP的数据
,如果数据不好,那大盘还是会不稳。如果联储继续taper加上星期四GDP数据不好,那
就是真的大跌。当然如果正相反,联储政策放松加上上星期四GDP数据意外的好,那就
会大涨。所以说现在变数还是很大。 |
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l*********m 发帖数: 16971 | 29 每次taper就涨,连续搞几次,形成惯性思维,然后某一次taper后,突然下跌,一泻千
里 |
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a********a 发帖数: 440 | 30 我的分析是市场会跌
因为这次调整感觉还是不对,如果经济真的变好了,那么这是一次难得的大调整机会,
一个深度调整后,市场可以更健康的发展,而且这个调整还没到不可控地步,如果经济
不好,那么上涨的动力在那里,还是要跌。所以取决于FED认为现在是不是一个好的调
整时机,现在不调整以后就是更大的危机,大家继续爽一段时间然后一起完蛋,所以如
果利率不变,taper继续,市场跌。利率不变,taper暂缓,涨,继续酝酿危机
请发包子,谢谢 |
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K******S 发帖数: 10109 | 31 everything can be used as excuses:
economy bad, bear
economy good->taper, bear
economy bad, less taper, bull
economy good, bull
go figure. hehe |
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d******8 发帖数: 1795 | 32 今天确实是小跌的行情。
明天夜轮可以讲废话了。按计划taper.
如果她说有可能加速或减速taper,大盘都会相应地震荡。
如果没有 surprise 的话,大盘应该没有上升的动力了。 |
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d******8 发帖数: 1795 | 33 今天确实是小跌的行情。
明天夜轮可以讲废话了。按计划taper.
如果她说有可能加速或减速taper,大盘都会相应地震荡。
如果没有 surprise 的话,大盘应该没有上升的动力了。 |
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f*********r 发帖数: 7485 | 34 跟延遲taper沒關係
就是要taper,爬梯結束金銀才漲
別被那些媒體騙了。他們都是傻叉 |
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m*********a 发帖数: 3299 | 35 FED taper前大家都觉得利率涨,涨到3.03%。
taper后发现贷款没有需求,利率跌倒2.7%。
自己判断吧,我觉得要涨也不会怎么厉害。 |
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O**l 发帖数: 12923 | 36 没delay taper继续taper
现在问题是什么时候加息 |
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q**x 发帖数: 1636 | 37 U.S. stocks jumped on Wednesday, extending gains into a second session,
after minutes from the Federal Reserve's last session offset concern about
when the central bank would raise interest rates.
The Federal Open Market Committee's minutes had policy makers unanimous in
agreeing to drop an unemployment target for hiking rates.
The decision "makes a lot of sense, to have a fixed data point when you're
talking about the unemployment rate doesn't consider all the factors," said
Dave Roda, regional... 阅读全帖 |
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m*********a 发帖数: 3299 | 38 yes. I bought when 10 year at 3%。I saw huge resistance of 10 year at 3.5%.
You could look at the 10 year ^TNX chart.
At that time, AGNC trade at 20% discount to book value.
With one year interest income of 10%, AGNC was traded at 30% discount to the
value at the 2014 year end。
I reasoned that if rate did increased to 3.5% that most guru predicted, AGNC
would drop book value another 10%. To lose money, the rate would have to
increase to 4.5% at the end 2014 .
Right now, 2.5% is the very important... 阅读全帖 |
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p******e 发帖数: 17163 | 39 nah, taper or no taper dont matter, just the amt they hold and reinveting
and maintaining that level is enough to justify yield at 1.5%. unless
inflation expectation run away.
that said, i still dont like betting on this cuz there's just so many non-
profit seeking players. way too much iffy in this mkt.
i prefer yet again, put stock buy jpy. |
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u********e 发帖数: 4950 | 40 股版确实能人很多
炒股的童鞋们,别再玩垃圾股, 学习mdrosophila 如何在AGNC中5个月获利26%吧
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标 题: Re: 这儿有人关心美国国债利息和MBS的么?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jun 3 11:56:24 2014, 美东)
yes. I bought when 10 year at 3%。I saw huge resistance of 10 year at 3.5%.
You could look at the 10 year ^TNX chart.
At that time, AGNC trade at 20% discount to book value.
With one year interest income of 10%, AGNC was traded at 30% discount to the
value at the 2014 year end。
I reasoned that if... 阅读全帖 |
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t******r 发帖数: 8600 | 41 taper涨,不taper也涨。
操高潮,不操也高潮。
这日子过得、、、 |
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d******5 发帖数: 4273 | 42 Fed official wants to keep up QE as inflation
expectations slip
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fed-official-wants-
keep-qe-170830150.html
(Reuters) - The Federal Reserve should keep buying
bonds for longer than planned in the face of
volatile markets and falling inflation
expectations, a top U.S. central banker said on
Thursday, even as another Fed policymaker warned
against an over-reaction.
James Bullard, president of the St. Louis Fed, is
the only official at the central bank to publicly
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a*******t 发帖数: 1886 | 43 WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — A comment from a hawkish Federal Reserve
official on Thursday that bond buying should continue beyond its scheduled
end lifted stock markets and surprised many observers.
The Federal Reserve should consider extending its bond-buying program beyond
October due to the market sell-off to see how the U.S. economic outlook
evolves, said James Bullard, the president of the St. Louis Fed, on Thursday.
At the moment, the Fed is buying $15 billion in securities each month,
havi... 阅读全帖 |
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T******u 发帖数: 1025 | 44 当时市场认为是要QE taper了,会议当天大盘跌了150多点,结果没有taper,直接从-
150到+200多。
不过high完之后阴跌了7天,后来赶上government shutdown,一直跌到十月中旬 |
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j********5 发帖数: 281 | 45 难得进来,这里面跟风的杂这么多。。。看着真有意思
看下经济形式,基本面不变好,今年说不定根本不会加息,这还出了英国这个事情,然
后看uk有没有taper...
treasury 长期很可能继续往下,短期可能有反弹。
石油之前跌了,中国买了很多,现在买的差不多了,石油说不定接下来往下走,基本面
不变,为啥要继续涨,之前是加拿大火灾和中国在买,现在呢?还有啥消息?谁打仗了
么?
那些炒uvxy的,看下vix,2-3天跌了40%,你就觉得现在就肯定反弹?看来至少今天不是
,明天星期5,长周末最后一天,low volumn,你指望来个暴跌?。。。过完节了再说,
而且uk不过article50,根本不会有大动作,说不定大盘慢慢往上磨,你们uvxy不就sb了
?然后过了article 50,再立马发个taper或者ballout之类的,uvxy不是继续sb?
现在全球都是在经济宽松下的negative interest,基本面根本就不好,nega int的负面
影响还不严重,大盘慢慢往上磨就是在比谁sb,谁都觉得自己会崩盘前出来。。。 |
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x*********n 发帖数: 28013 | 46 meaningless.
market would soar to the highest position ever.
The reason is pretty simple.
Job market is pretty bad, a lot of top level companies had very high
turnover rate. laying off happened everyday!
Look at how much you spent on holiday.If your pay is on the top of this
country and you only bought a few family stuff instead of stupid lv, will
you call good economy?
United States economy is no better than anytime, I haven't seen any reasons
to taper QE. Tapering QE is in someone's dream! |
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g******4 发帖数: 6339 | 47 骑虎难下!! 不得不下!
“The hurdle ought to remain pretty high for pausing in tapering,”
Richmond Fed President Jeffrey Lacker said after a speech today in
Winchester, Virginia. Chicago’s Charles Evans said in Detroit that policy
makers probably face “a high hurdle to deviate” from $10 billion cuts in
monthly bond buying at each of their next several meetings. Evans and Lacker
don’t vote on policy this year.
One hawk, one dove, both concluding that the bar to stopping the taper is
quite high.
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n******h 发帖数: 2482 | 48 Soon Janet will reopen the printing press. What will happen after is anyone'
s guess.
We are in an uncharted territory. Buckle up for a wild ride. |
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n******h 发帖数: 2482 | 49 If history is of any guidance, next Jan will be interesting from job market
point of view. |
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h******s 发帖数: 3420 | 50 美国的自由经济已经完全被FED毁掉了。股市不少指标都走出以前从未见过的变异形态。
房市和股市都是只许涨不许跌。跟中国学。
anyone' |
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